posted June 28, 2009 07:47 PM         

I think squares and opps present an opportunity for growth as they force the individuals to learn to adapt. However, BOTH parties MUST be willing to put in the work to make it work. Sometimes though, problems can arise and if the individual isn't used to, has gotten tired of, or doesn't like friction in relationships.

For me, trines are not lazy. I feel a sense of ease and understanding, especially, when Moon, Merc, and Venus, and sometimes the Sun are involved. I prefer opps over square ANY day lol! For me, Opps are more obvious in I understand their motives and thought processes.

posted June 28, 2009 07:55 PM         

Lucia, that's awesome you lived in Sedona/Jerome. It definitely is a gorgeous area! Jerome is so much fun (as long as you don't have vertigo ).

About using a narrow orb: I think this nails it -- "a narrow orb is more revealing about the most prominent aspects of the relationship." When I do a synastry reading, I usually look at all the aspects up to 8 degrees or so, just to get a general picture of how everything is interacting. But it's definitely the aspects with the tightest orbs that end up being the main players. And more specifically, the *hard* aspects with tight orbs. The very first thing I look for in synastry, in fact, is the tightest conjunction(s) that exist between the charts. That one little thing shows exactly where the two people are pinned together.

I also don't look at the asteroids until I've thoroughly examined all the planet/node/angle action. I think the asteroids are like seasoning and the planets are the substance -- asteroids give a specific and distinctive flavor, but they don't mean much if the 'main course' is lacking.

posted June 28, 2009 08:14 PM         

"So you think the SN conjunct is more potent than a NN conjunct?"

Ooh, good question. I don't think one is really more potent than the other -- they effects they create are so different, it's hard to compare them in terms of one being stronger in any sense. The familiarity of a SN conjunction can be very seductive, and seems to create life situations where two people are brought into each other's lives (sometimes over and over again) almost magnetically, coerced by the universe. Familiarity often breeds love, and the comfort of having someone who knows and understands you on a soul-level makes it easy to stay with a SN-conjuncting partner.

But then the NN conjunct is intriguing, inspiring, and sometimes scary. It's not always as comfortable as a SN conjunction but it does feel equally significant. When NN people get together it's often because something specific needs to be learned -- or the partners appear in each other's lives to knock each other out of a spiritual rut, to help each other veer in a better direction. The thing with NN contacts is there's no guarantee how long the 'lessons' are going to last for. Sometimes, it's for life; sometimes it's for a week. SN contacts are more life-long but don't offer the same "get off your duff and be a better person" effect.

So, to actually answer your question, I'd say they're equally potent.

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"Lets say you had with one guy
your SN conjunct his IC
his SN conjunct your Jupiter

and then with another guy
your NN conjunct his sun/venus/mars/psyche

would the NN/sun conjunct be more of a bond?"

The NN/sun/Venus/Mars/psyche might be more powerfully felt -- at least by the NN person. That's a whole lotta planetary energy activating his node. In fact, it might be so intense he'd want to run, unless the synastry had a lot of comforting qualities to smooth it out.

The SN/IC and SN/Jupiter one would have a strong sense of familiarity for both people. Since the SN/IC is also a NN/MC conjunction, I would say that has the property of being rooted in the past but also relevant to the future -- so it's not static like a normal SN conjunction, nor is it brand new like a NN conjunction. Alignment between the nodes and angles is pretty significant, anyhow.

posted June 28, 2009 08:27 PM         

Okay, interesting, you were BOTH wrong about #5. Well, sort of...I bet it would be 100% if you had the natals!

#1: RIGHT! NEVER MARRIED. The couple felt instant attraction and stayed together for almost 15 years, then split up. They never married.

#2: RIGHT! NEVER MARRIED, NEVER LOVERS. This is me and my friend, and yes, we've never made love. I'm surprised no one saw at least ONE-WAY sparks, though, because I feel an enormous amount of lust/excitement for him. I would love to have a sexual fling with him. When we first spent time together he seemed into that, but I was in the midst of a major breakup and not ready, and it took me a while to realize I was so attracted to him. Bummer it's so obvious that we're the non-starting couple!! Now we are starting to hang out and flirt a lot again. ...Maybe the wider-orbed aspects that give us a Sun-Sun square, Sun-Moon square (and Sun-Moon DW), Venus-Pluto conjunction (making a DW with Pluto-Venus square), and NN-Jupiter conjunction, and Saturn-Venus square create more friction? [sigh]

It's not a good sign that TWO people immediately picked us out as never-lovers! Are there important signs of one-sidedness or unrequitedness? (With me being the attracted one?)

#3: RIGHT! MARRIED. In my opinion, the very easiest one. These two fell madly in love at first sight. They got married right away and have a beautiful child together. They have only been together a couple of years now, so I am glad to see evidence here that their great love will last too.

#4: MARRIED. Denise's analysis of the relationship is spot-on! The relationship got very, very destructive and she committed suicide. It was a physically violent relationship, and he cheated on her.

#5: NEVER MARRIED, but briefly a couple. These two were together for a year or so in their early twenties, and moved to the United States together. She stopped being attracted to him, and the sex had fizzled for him pretty much too, and the relationship became a platonic friendship...but they ARE like family, friends with each other's lovers, etc.

posted June 29, 2009 12:36 AM         

His Venus is conjunct my Pluto and square my ASC at wider orbs, and in minor aspect at close orbs to my Venus, Uranus, Neptune, and Saturn. Neither of us has any Venus-Mars or Venus-Sun action happening, though.

When we were first hanging out, HE seemed really obsessive (maybe nothing to do with our synastry, just him being a Scorpio)...he came on really strong and I felt overwhelmed and sent him away, and then later we reconnected as friends, and THEN I've recently started getting obsessed with him and the sexual tension has been escalating on my end. I always thought Pluto-Venus=mutual sparks, interesting that it's one way from Venus.

posted June 29, 2009 01:33 AM         

For example, let's say a woman has a big solar stellium in her 3rd, lunar stellium in her 9th--wouldn't she more likely be attracted to men whose planets heavily aspect the chart rulers of those houses, rather than, say, her 5th and 7th?

posted June 29, 2009 01:42 AM         

both is relevant. Ofc ourse the houses you have a stellium in are important.
But the houserulers act like planets in a way.
Venus indicates your romantic attitude in every chart, and the ruler of 7th house does that, too.
It is always important in terms of relationships, your personal Venus so to speak.

posted June 29, 2009 01:50 AM         

Ex:
I have ruler of 7 and 5 both in 1st house, and I am drawn to 1st house overlays in synastry.

I think Diandra here has 7th house ruler in 11th house, and her bf has some planets in her 11th house.

A friend of mine has 7th house ruler in 3rd house, she is married to a man with STRONG Mercury and Gemini-Mars. his ASC ruler also falls in her 3rd house.
Coincidence?

posted June 29, 2009 02:27 AM         

I have Neptune in my DC and he was a Pisces rising. Cappy Sun, Mercury, Venus - his Mercury and Venus conj my NN. My Sun also conjunct his Vertex and Dc VERY closely.

So all the angles/Node stuff is true I think, as DD and Denise have mentioned.
But I definitely agree with Denise too about the Nodes... especially the NN being about lessons or getting out of ruts, and not being about 'comfort' necessarily, like the SN. You never know how long the 'lesson' will take... so true.
But I think the Node person learns something from the planet person which the planet person is rarely aware of. Sometimes the Node person is there to just pi$$ you off and get you out of a rut. And they've mastered something you need and you're getting it from them, whether or not you like it lol.

posted June 29, 2009 03:09 AM         

PAIR #1 (Libra Man/Leo Woman)--never married
His BODA conjunct her VENUS (2)
Her GROOM conjunct his MERCURY (1)
His BRIEDE conjunct her LUST (2)
His PSYCHE conjunct her GROOM (1)
Her BRIEDE opp his JUNO (2)
His GROOM opp her LUST (2)
Her VALENTINE opp his GROOM (3)
His CUPIDO opp her BRIEDE (1)
His UNION square her SATURN (0)
His VALENTINE square her GROOM (1)
His LUST trine her GROOM (4)

PAIR #2 (Scorpio Man/Leo Woman)--never lovers, never married
Her GROOM conjunct his ASC (0)
His BODA conjunct her VENUS (2)
Her BRIEDE conjunct his JUNO (1)
Her UNION conjunct his MARS (2)--EDITED, somehow missed this one before
His BRIEDE opp her IC (0)
His BRIEDE opp her BRIEDE (2)
His GROOM opp her GROOM (3)
His GROOM opp her PLUTO (1)
His PLUTO opp her BRIEDE (1)
His LUST opp her BODA (0)
His UNION square her NN (0)
His GROOM square her AC (0)
His BODA square her BRIEDE (3)
His BRIEDE square her VENUS (0)
Her CUPIDO square his GROOM (2)
His GROOM trine her NEPTUNE (0)
Her BRIEDE trine his NEPTUNE (1)
His UNION trine her BRIEDE (0)
His VALENTINE trine her BRIEDE (4)
His LUST trine her UNION (2)
His CUPIDO trine her UNION (1)

PAIR #3 (Pisces Man/Leo Woman)--married
His BODA conjunct her UNION (4)
His UNION conjunct her SUN (1)
Her PSYCHE conj his GROOM (2)
Her UNION conjunct his NN (2)
His VALENTINE conjunct her UNION (0)
His UNION opp her EROS (1)
Her GROOM opp his SATURN (0)
Her UNION opp his MERCURY (0)
Her UNION opp his JUNO (1)
His GROOM opp her MERCURY (0)
His URANUS square her BRIEDE (0)
His NEPTUNE square her UNION (0)
His GROOM square her ASC (0)
His LUST square her BODA (2)
His NEPTUNE trine her BRIEDE (0)
Her UNION trine his EROS (3)
Her UNION trine his PSYCHE (1)
His LUST trine her GROOM (1)
Her VALENTINE trine his GROOM (1)

PAIR #4 (Leo Man/Scorpio Woman)--married
His BRIEDE conjunct her IC (0)
His UNION conjunct her SUN (1)
Her BODA conjunct his MOON (0)
Her BODA conjunct his CHIRON (1)
Her BRIEDE conjunct his SATURN (1)
His GROOM conjunct her PSYCHE (4)
His LUST opp her BODA (4)
His BRIEDE square her JUPITER (1)
His BRIEDE square her NN (1)
His BRIEDE square her EROS (2)
Her BRIEDE square his VENUS (0)
His BODA square her VENUS (1)
His NEPTUNE square her GROOM (2)
His BRIEDE square her UNION (1)
Her LUST square his BRIEDE (2)
Her BODA trine his MERCURY (0)
His BRIEDE trine her PSYCHE (4)
His VALENTINE trine her BRIEDE (0)

PAIR #5 (Cancer Man/Libra Woman)--never married
Her UNION conjunct his NEPTUNE (0)
His GROOM conjunct her BODA (4)
Her BODA conjunct his SN (0)
Her BRIEDE conjunct his SN (3)
His EROS conjunct her BRIEDE (2)
His BRIEDE opp her LUST (2)
Her UNION opp his VENUS (0)
His GROOM opp her BRIEDE (3)
Her LUST opp his BRIEDE (2)
Her BODA opp his SATURN (1)
Her BRIEDE opp his SATURN (2)
Her BRIEDE opp his Union (3)
His BODA square her NEPTUNE (1)
His BRIEDE square her PLUTO (2)
Her GROOM square his SUN (0)
His GROOM square her UNION (4)
Her BRIEDE square his AC (0)
His VALENTINE square her UNION (1)
His GROOM trine her VENUS (1)
His GROOM trine her JUNO (2)
His BODA trine her CHIRON (1)
Her BRIEDE trine his SUN (2)
Her EROS trine his BODA (0)
His LUST trine her UNION (2)
Her LUST trine his BODA (0)

Bet everyone would've guessed the same just looking at these--but what do you think?

posted June 29, 2009 09:24 AM         

wow

Denise,
yes. Spot on. I asked you about the NN/SN because i had the worst relationship of my life to date for over 6 yrs with my ex husband. Our chart is all NN conjuncts and l did learn the most painful lessons from it, l still am and he still can't let go 4 years on from our divorce
It's hell!!

I totally agree about the SN conjuncts being softer and smoother, much easier and nicer for me but then i have natally NN/moon/saturn/venus tight conjunct stellium in 2nd/placidus and 3rd/equal houses.

Thank you for your insight - i'm learning a lot from you.