posted June 29, 2009 10:32 AM         

you asked about orbs; well I have some sort of "categorization", when it comes to orbs:

1. 0° - 1°
2. 1° - 3°
3. 3° - 5°
4. 5°- 7°

I like to have these categories so I don`t get fooled.
I have so often seen people
get all excited about their Venus-Mars-trine with 9 degree and Sun-Moon-sextile with 7 degree, completely ignoring the Mars-Uranus-square with 2 degree and the Sun-Saturn-opposition with 1 degree.

The strongest aspects will usually be the tight orbed ones.

Yet, even though I generally only really look at orbs up to 3° (with conjunctions: 5°), there are some exceptions, when I definitely would consider slightly wider orbs (up to 6 or 7 degrees).
That is when the wideorbed aspect is part of a synastric stellium or configuration.

Example:
Person A has: Mars on 15 Taurus
Person B has: Venus on 18 Taurus and Moon on 20° Taurus

posted June 29, 2009 10:32 AM         

PAIR 1 (Libra/Leo, never married): Vertex in 8th house
Vertex trine Neptune (0), opp Pluto (1), square NN (0)

PAIR 2 (Scorpio/Leo, never lovers): Vertex in 7th house
Vertex square Moon (4), square NN (0), square Valentine (1)

PAIR 3 (Pisces/Leo, married): Vertex in 7th house
Vertex square Uranus (0), trine Neptune (0)

Pair 4 (Leo/Scorpio, married): Vertex in 6th house
Vertex square Saturn (0), opp Uranus (1), square Eros (4), square Lust (3), square Valentine (3), square Union (4), square MC (2)

posted June 29, 2009 10:45 AM         

"PAIR #1 (Libra Man/Leo Woman)--never married
His UNION square her SATURN (0)"
Did Saturn "spoil" the possible marriage?

Also, it seems that it doesn`t matter if Bride or Groom is connected with other asteroids; those don`t seem to be strong enough for a marriage.

"PAIR #2 (Scorpio Man/Leo Woman)--never lovers, never married
Her GROOM conjunct his ASC (0)"
He was the embodiment of a Groom to you, but not the other way round?

"His UNION square her NN (0)"
Another square to Union and there wasn`t a relationship / marriage. Could it be that squares to Union put a lot of obstacles in the way to marriage? (Also the squares were to NN and Saturn, both karmic placements, so probably it is not a good idea to have Union squares to fate objects)

"PAIR #3 (Pisces Man/Leo Woman)--married
His BODA conjunct her UNION (4)"
A conjunction with Union, even though a wide on.

"His UNION conjunct her SUN (1)"
A WOW conjunction with Union. Could it be that conjunctions make it easier to get married or into a relationship, as squares would make it difficult?

"Her UNION conjunct his NN (2)"
Again Union-conjunct. With a fated object. Me thinks that is good.

NO squares to Union, but conjunctions, and they got married.
Pattern?

"PAIR #4 (Leo Man/Scorpio Woman)--married
His BRIEDE conjunct her IC (0)"
Can it be that Bride / Groom only work with major players and their complementary piece (Bride-Groom-aspect)?

"His UNION conjunct her SUN (1)"
Again- Unon conjunction.

"PAIR #5 (Cancer Man/Libra Woman)--never married
Her UNION conjunct his NEPTUNE (0)"
Union to an outer planet doesn`t seem to be enough glue.

"Her BRIEDE conjunct his SN (3)"
Maybe SN conjunctions aren`t strong enough with Briede / Groom?

"Her UNION opp his VENUS (0)"
An aspect to a major player, but opposition.

"His GROOM opp her BRIEDE (3)"
A groom-briede aspect, but also opposition. Could it be that in this case the opposition is not allt hat great?=

"Her BRIEDE opp his SATURN (2)
Her BRIEDE opp his Union (3)"
Again, maybe those are just too many oppositions.

"Her GROOM square his SUN (0)
His GROOM square her UNION (4)"
Her BRIEDE square his AC (0)"
Squares don`t seem to really work with these asteroids.

"His VALENTINE square her UNION (1)"
Another Union-square

posted June 29, 2009 10:48 AM         

even though I basically agree with you, I can already see the long line of asteroids lists with DW between asteroids with astronomical orbs.

Also another problem is, that if we consider all possible asteroids, everyone will have countless DW`s with everyone.
I think we first have to find out what asteroids are significant.

So far it seems that Eros, Juno, Amor, (maybe Valentine) and Union are very significant.
Surprisingly I haven`t found Psyche to be so prominent in the synastries I investigated. I don`t know why this is though.

posted June 29, 2009 10:57 AM         

Vertexes in the Davidson, uncorrected(oh my GAWD I've got to stop posting on here and go do some real writing!):

PAIR 1 (Libra/Leo, never married): Vertex in 8th, square Eros (3), opp Karma (1)

PAIR 2 (Scorpio/Leo, never lovers): Vertex in 8th, square Sun (1), square Juno (0)

PAIR 3 (Pisces/Leo, married): Vertex in 7th, square Merc (1), trine Neptune (2), conjunct Union (3)

PAIR 4 (Leo/Scorpio, married): Vertex in 7th, opp Mars (3)

PAIR 5 (Cancer/Libra, never married): Vertex in 5th, trine Merc (1), conjunct Valentine (0)

posted June 29, 2009 11:03 AM         

Four synastries (without asteroids):
Which couple has a long term relationship?
Which synastry is the strongest:
a) regarding attraction
b) regarding compatibility?
And why?

Synastry 1:
Sun square SAturn (0)
Moon square Moon (2)
Mercury square Venus (2)
Mercury trine Mars (2)
Mercury trine Neptune (2)
Mercury trine NN (2)
Mercury opposite Pluto (1)
Mercury conjunct IC (3)
Mercury trine ASC (0)
Venus trine Venus (2)
Venus opposite Uranus (3)
Mars trine Saturn (3)
Jupiter trine Uranus (1)
Jupiter square Mars (3)
Saturn trine Pluto (0)
Uranus trine Sun (1)
Uranus trine Mercury (2)
Neptune trine Jupiter (1)
Pluto trine Venus (2)
Pluto square Mars (3)
Pluto opposite Jupiter (3)
Pluto square ASC (0)
Pluto square Neptune (2)
Pluto square NN (2)
SN conjunct Moon (1)

ASC-ruler:
A: Neptune
B: Jupiter

DSC-ruler
both: Mercury

Synastry 2:

Sun trine Mercury (2)
Moon trine Pluto (1)
Moon conjunct NN (4)
Mercury square Venus (3)
Mercury opposite Mars (1)
Venus trine Sun (4)
Venus square Jupiter (1)
Mars conjunct Saturn (3)
Mars opposite Uranus (4)
Mars opposite Pluto (0)
Saturn trine Mars (0)
Uraus trine Sun (4)
Uranus trine Moon (2)
Uranus square Neputne (3)
Neptune conjunct SN (3)
Pluto trine Venus (2)
NN trine Mercury (1)
NN square NN (1)

ASC-ruler:
A: Neptune
B: Mars

DSC-ruler
A: Mercury
B: Venus

Synastry 3:
Sun conjunct Sun (4)
Sun conjunct Mercury (5)
Moon trine Sun (2)
Moon trine Mercury (3)
MOon opposite Uranus (3)
Mercury conjunct NN (5)
Venus conjunct Venus (4)
Venus square Pluto (1)
Mars square Venus (3)
Mars conjunct Pluto (0)
Mars trine DSC (2)
Jupiter trine Mars (3)
Jupiter square Uranus (2)
Saturn square Sun (3)
SAturn square Mercury (2)
Uranus square Sun (1)
Uranus square Mercury (1)
NN square Moon (2)

ASC-r-uler
A: Mars
B: Jupiter

DSC-ruler
A: Venus
B: Mercury

Synastry 4:
Sun conjunct Venus (1)
Sun square Pluto (1)
Sun square MC (2)
Moon conjunct Uranus (3)
Mercury conjunct Sun 85)
Mercury conjunct Mercury (5)
Venus square Jupiter (2)
Venus conjunct Neptune (3)
Venus conjunct NN (3)
Jupiter opposite Saturn (0)
SAturn trine Moon (1)
Sateurn square Jupiter (4)
SAturn conjunct SN (5)
Neptune conjunct Mars (1)
Neptune conjuunct ASC (0)
Pluto conjunct MC (0)
Pluto square Venus (1)
SN Conjunct Saturn (0)
ASC conjunct Mars (4)
ASC square Jupiter (2)
ASC conjunct Neptune (0)
DSC trine Pluto (0)
ASC conjunct ASC (2)
MC conjunct mC (3)
MC square Venus (2)

ASC-ruler
Both: Jupiter

posted June 29, 2009 11:35 AM         

I think BRIEDE, GROOM, BODA are less symbolically potent. Like Denise said, people get married for lots of reasons and love isn't always one of them. UNION indicates wanting to join with someone from a deep emotional motivation...I am not surprised that the two couples who actually married both have UNION-SUN conjunctions!

PAIR 2: DD, he is definitely not my ideal groom!!! I find him sexually exciting, fun, and a good friend...I would never be interested in trying to have a conventional one-on-one romantic relationship with him. However, my Groom is conjunct my Valentine natally, and my Valentine is conjunct his AC.
In my view of the relationship, this is what I see as playing out most prominently on both sides:
-my Venus square his Pluto (0)...I don't think this is necessarily just a one-sided attraction with me/Venus obsessed...I think this is what causes him to come on really, really strong sometimes and me to duck into my shell. I keep thinking of a night right after we first met when he invited me to an event and it was all fancy-dress and I was tender and fragile and still mid-breakup of a long-term relationship, and he seemed all huge and gorgeous and confident, and he was literally physically sweeping me around, and he kind of folded me into his coat, and he stared into my eyes with his hands on my ribs and said, "You SHINE," and I just sort of froze and darted off to the bathroom, and was weird and cold with him the rest of the night...I felt just kind of, nervous, and I couldn't respond at the time to him...I think this is Venus-Pluto
-Sun-Sun, Merc-Merc, Sun-Merc, Merc-Sun DWs, even though some of these are at a wider orb...we both really feel them, I think...just the Mercury alone, we are a big chaotic pile of missed text messages and frustrating but small misunderstandings
-NN-SN conjunction and DW NN-Jupiter contacts...I have learned an enormous amount with him, for which I am grateful...he says he was a totally different person before knowing me...when we are actually connecting, the relationship has a sweeping, Jupiterian feeling...and LOTS of the time, we are not actually connecting (see Sun-Merc squares, above)...I think the relationship has potential for a sexual fling, but maybe not. We shall see, since we are spending more time together again.

posted June 29, 2009 11:43 AM         

I will make it easier for you.

posted June 29, 2009 11:45 AM         

EDITED: ooh, DD, that actually makes it harder for me to guess! Because I have noticed, looking at synastries, that sometimes very strong/potent synastries aren't really activated both ways. If these were all mutual relationships of some kind, I would find it easier to pick out the gluey ones. Now that I know, #4 could be a celeb crush relationship, activated only on one side, with that Node-Angle business...I shall look again.

posted June 29, 2009 12:09 PM         

Knowing there is only one real-life relationship, this is hard because they're ALL Neptune-y.

posted June 29, 2009 01:35 PM         

Don't ask me why... lol

I think this union think is interesting - l will look at my ex hubby's and also my present love who seems to be coming round again?!?!?!?!!

DD, he asked me for a chart interpretation so l said "yours or ours?" He replied "both" So i gave him what IQ had told me about the synastry and he came back to me and said "I have never seen one of these before...interesting reading...going to have another look at it later on wen things are quiet! xx"
LOL!!! I'm shocked at his initial response as it would make most men run a mile!!

posted June 29, 2009 01:59 PM         

Synastry 1:
Eros square Venus (1)
Eros trine Mars (1)
Eros trine Neptune (2)
Eros opposite Pluto (1)
Eros trine NN (3)
Eros trine ASC (0)
ERos conjunct IC (2)
Amor trine saturn (0)
Amor conjunct Juno (0)
Mars trine Eros (0)
Jupiter squae Amor (0)
Jpuiter trine Union (2)

Synastry 2:
Juno opposite Neptune (1)
Juno trine Pluto (0)
Eros opposite Mars (3)
Eros squar Eros (0)
Amor square Mercury (0)
Saturn opposite Juno (3)
Neptune square Juno (0)
NN conjunct Juno (2)
Mercury square Eros (1)
Venus trine eros (2)
Pluto trine Eros (1)
Jupiter square Amor (0)
Sun square Union (0)
MOon trine Union (2)

synastry 3:
Juno opposite MOon (3)
Eros conjunct Venus (2)
ERos square Pluto (2)
Eros square MC (1)
Amor conjunct Mars (1)
Amor conjunct Amor (1)
Amor conjunct ASC (3)
Union opposite Saturn (0)
Mercury square Juno (1)
Pluto opposite Juno (3)
Saturn trine Eros (2)
Neptune trine Eros (2)
Jupiter trine Amor (0)
MOon opposite Union (1)

synastry 4:
Juno conjunct Mars (3)
Juno conjunct Amor (0)
Juno conjunct ASC (4)
Eros conjunct Juno (3)
Eros trine Eros (0)
Union conjunct Jupiter (2)
Union conjunct JUno (3)
Saturn square juno (1)
Jupiter opposite Eros (3)
Uranus square Eros (1)
Mars conjunct Amor (3)
Moon conjunct Union (1)

posted June 29, 2009 02:07 PM         

LOOKIE at those MOON/UNION aspects
hahaha i'm chuckling here

posted June 29, 2009 02:21 PM         

I am basing this partly on the idea that Eros can represent creative inspiration/a muse...so I think groupies will often have a bunch of their planets contacting a star's Eros, though I may have this backwards. With Jim Morrison (I'm way too young to have actually been his groupie, but he has come up in some of my work) I am the Node person: NN conjunct Sun (1), NN conjunct Eros (0)...also his Venus right on my MC, which makes sense.

#1=The person with the NN trine the other's Mercury and square the other's Pluto is the one with the crush

#2=this is the real-life relationship

#3=The person with NN conjunct the other's Mercury is the one with the crush

posted June 29, 2009 03:32 PM         

Whereas in the pairs #3 and #4, the married couples I listed, both have tight Union-Sun conjunctions---the Union person wants to unite with the WHOLE Sun person, hence marriage!

posted June 29, 2009 04:24 PM         

I`m taking it all in, and smile to myself. But I still will tantalize you a bit longer. I`m curious to know what Denise will say.

In the meantime while we are waiting, I have two more synastries (not mine). One led to marriage; in the other case they worked together, and one was interested in the other, but nothing ever developed.

Synastry 1:
His Sun conjuunct her Sun (0)
his Sun opposite her Moon (3)
His Sun square her NN (3)
his Sun square her ASC (1)
his Moon trine her Saturn (0)
his Moon trine her Uranus (0)
his Mercury square her Neptune (0)
his Mercury conjunct her IC (0)
his Venus conjunct her Mars (0)
his Venus conjunct her Pluto (1)
His Mars opposite her Saturn (2)
his Saturn trine her Mercury (1)
his Uranus conjunct her Sun (3)
his Neptune squar her Uranus (1)
his Pluto conjunct her Mars (3)
his Pluto square her Saturn (2)
his NN conjunct her Mercury (1)
his NN conjunct her Venus (2)
his NN trine her ASC (1)
his DSC conjunct her mars (4)
his ASC square her Saturn (1)
his MC trine her Sun (1)
his MC square her Mercury (1)
his MC squre her Venus (2)

his Juno squre her Mercury (2)
his Eros square her Mars (2)
his Eros opposite her Saturn (3)
his Eros squar her Eros (0)
his Amor squar eher Mars (0)
his Amor trine her Jupiter (0)
his Amor square her Pluto (1)
his Amor trine her MC (0)
his Union conjunct her Neptune (1)
his Union squar ehr Mc (0)
his Venus conjunct her Eros (3)
his Mars square her Eros (0)
his Pluto conjunct her Eros (0)
his DSC conjunct her Eros (1)
his Neptune opposite her Amor (2)
his SN conjunct her Union (2)
his MC square her Union (2)

Synastry 2
his Sun conjunct her Sun (4)
his Sun square her Mars (2)
his sun trine her Saturn (0)
his Mercury conjunct her Venus (0)
his Mercury squar eher Neptune (2)
his Venus conjunct her Mercury (3)
his Venus conjunct her Pltuo (0)
his Venus square her MC (2)
(his Venus conjunct her ASC 6)
his Mars square her Mercury (0)
his Mars square her ASC (2)
his Mars conjunct her MC (1)
his Jupiter trin her Sun (0)
his SAturn trine her Moon (1)
his Saturn trine her Mars (2)
his Uranus conjunct her Sun (1)
his Uranus trine her Saturn (2)
his Neptune trine her DSC (1)
his Pluto conjunct her Mercury (0)
his Pluto conjunct her ASC (1)
his Plutos quare her MC (2)
his NN conjunct her MOon (4)
his NN trine her Mars (0)
his DSC onjunct her Mercury (0)
his DSC conjunct her Pluto (4)
his ASC Conjunct her DSC (2)
his MC conjunct her Saturn (3)

his Juno square her MOon (0)
his Juno trine her Uranus (0)
his Eros square her Mercury (1)
his Eros square her Pltuo (2)
his Eros conjunct her MC (0)
his Amor square her Pluto (0)
his Amor square her Juno (0)
his Amor conjunct her MC (3)
his Union square her Venus (0)
his Union conjunct her Neptune (0)
his Union square her Amor (1)
his Union square her Union (1)
his Venus conjunct her Union (0)
his Mercury conjunct her Amor (2)
his Mercury conjunct her Union (0)

So who is the married couple?
And in the other synastry, who was the one having that amorous interest?