posted June 27, 2009 11:49 PM         

I'll post the synastries below--I am using a 4 degree orb for aspects involving planets, Chiron, and Juno, and including conjunctions, oppositions, squares, and trines only. For asteroids, 3 degree orb and conjunctions/oppositions only.

I used the asteroids Eros, Psyche, Lust, Valentine, and Cupido...I know some people find other asteroids more significant...I will post their "marriage" asteroids later too.

Of these five pairs, can you guess:
1) Which TWO of the couples married and had children together? (Note: the other three never-married couples did not have children)

2) BONUS: Four of these five pairs--all heterosexual male/female--have been lovers at some point. Can you pick out the one pair who were NEVER lovers?

posted June 27, 2009 11:51 PM         

PAIR #2 (Scorpio Man/ Leo Woman)
His SUN trine her MOON (2)
His SUN trine her JUPITER (2)
His SUN trine her SATURN (0)
His MOON trine her VENUS (1)
His MERCURY square her MERCURY (1)
His MERCURY trine her JUPITER (1)
His MERCURY trine her SATURN (3)
His MERCURY trine her JUNO (0)
His MERCURY opp her EROS (0)
His JUPITER square her MARS (1)
His JUPITER square her JUPITER (2)
His JUPITER conjunct her NN (3)
His SATURN trine her MOON (2)
His NEPTUNE trine her CHIRON (3)
His PLUTO square her VENUS (0)
His PLUTO conjunct her MC (0)
His NN square her JUPITER (0)
His NN conjunct her SN (1)
His SN conjunct her NN (1)
His NN trine her LUST (2)
His NN trine her VALENTINE (3)
His EROS opp her JUPITER (1)
His EROS opp her JUNO (2)
His LUST square her SUN (0)
His LUST conjunct her EROS (3)
His AC square her MOON (0)
His AC square her SATURN (3)
His AC conjunct her VALENTINE (0)
His MC conjunct her MOON (1)
His MC trine her JUPITER (3)
His MC conjunct her SATURN (1)
His MC square her VALENTINE (0)

PAIR #3 (Pisces Man/Leo Woman)
His SUN trine her MARS (0)
His SUN conjunct her SN (2)
His SUN trine her AC (0)
His MOON opp her SUN (1)
His MOON opp her VENUS (0)
His MOON opp her JUPITER (1)
His MOON trine her JUNO (0)
His MOON conjunct her EROS (0)
His MERCURY trine her URANUS (2)
His MERCURY square her NEPTUNE (2)
His MARS opp her SUN (4)
His MARS trine her MOON (0)
His SATURN conjunct her SATURN (3)
His SATURN conjunct her NN (2)
His SATURN trine her CHIRON (3)
His SATURN conjunct her LUST (0)
His URANUS square her SUN (3)
His URANUS square her VENUS (1)
His URANUS square her JUPITER (0)
His NEPTUNE trine her SUN (3)
His NEPTUNE trine her Venus (1)
His NEPTUNE trine her JUPITER (0)
His NN square her NEPTUNE (0)
His CHIRON square her MERCURY (0)
His CHIRON conjunct her DC (0)
His JUNO trine her URANUS (1)
His JUNO square her NEPTUNE (0)
His JUNO square her JUNO (4)
His CUPIDO conjunct her CUPIDO (1)
His AC square her MERCURY (3)
His AC trine her NN (0)
His AC conjunct her CHIRON (4)
His AC conjunct her DC (3)
His AC square her MC (2)

PAIR #4 (Leo Man/ Scorpio Woman)
His SUN square her MERCURY (1)
His SUN conjunct her MARS (2)
His SUN trine her URANUS (2)
His SUN square her CHIRON (3)
His MOON opp her MERCURY (3)
His MOON square her MARS (3)
His MOON trine her JUPITER (1)
His MERCURY conjunct her VENUS (4)
His MERCURY conjunct her JUPITER (3)
His MERCURY conjunct her EROS (1)
His MERCURY opp her LUST (1)
His VENUS conjunct her MOON (0)
His VENUS conjunct her JUNO (0)
His MARS square her VENUS (1)
His JUPITER square her MOON (2)
His SATURN square her MOON (2)
His SATURN trine her NEPTUNE (3)
His URANUS trine her MC (1)
His NEPTUNE conjunct her DC (3)
His PLUTO trine her MERCURY (1)
His PLUTO square her URANUS (0)
His NN square her PLUTO (2)
His CHIRON opp her MERCURY (2)
His CHIRON trine her VENUS (4)
His CHIRON square her MARS (2)
His CHIRON trine her JUPITER (2)
His JUNO trine her VENUS (0)
His JUNO opp her PLUTO (0)
His EROS opp her MERCURY (2)
His EROS opp her CUPIDO (0)
His LUST conjunct her MERCURY (0)
His LUST conjunct her CUPIDO (2)
His VALENTINE opp her SUN (1)
His CUPIDO conjunct her CHIRON (1)
His CUPIDO opp her CUPIDO (1)
His ASC trine her SUN (2)
His ASC trine her ASC (2)
His MC square her MERCURY (1)
His IC conjunct her MARS (2)

posted June 28, 2009 01:32 AM         

Edit: and #2 I'm thinking were never lovers.

posted June 28, 2009 04:49 AM         

that is an interesting idea.

Unfortunately I am not confident enough to answer that. I also fear we cannot see that just in the synastry aspects alone. Maybe we can`t see that at all.
But having pondered a long time about this, I start realizing HOW much I really rely on the house ruler aspects.

Also, one of the difficulties with astrological aspects is, that there are different levels of expression for each symbol; there is a symbol chain.

So, Venus relates to relationships, sure, and it will usually be there in love relationshps; but Venus also relates to art. So instead of a relationship there could be also a common interest in art, fashion and so on.

posted June 28, 2009 06:08 AM         

PAIR #1: in a relationship, not married.
Why: there are some compelling aspects, like Pluto conjunct sun and sun conjunct Venus, as well as an alignment of angles (AC/DC and MC/IC), which point to a strong attraction and affinity. However, most marriages I've seen have some conjunctions between nodes and planets or nodes and angles -- I don't see that here. Most of the planetary aspects seem between personal and outer planets, too, and I usually like to see more action between just personal planets. And even though they do have that angle alignment, it seems to be more powerful when some planets are also aligned with the angles -- again, I don't see that here. At least not in 3 degree or less orbs.

PAIR #2: not in a relationship, not married.
Why: trine trine trine trine trine. Relationships need some friction for both people to feel the spark -- I've seen brilliant synastry full of trines and sextiles where the people were just apathetic towards each other. There's a considerable lack of hard aspects between planets (Jupiter squares barely count ) and in particular, no significant conjunctions between planets... there is not enough to hold this one together or to make both people serious about giving a relationship a shot. In fact, the main theme of the relationship may be that one tight square between his Pluto and her Venus... whatever their relationship is, it's probably characterized by power struggles, mind games, manipulation, etc. with him having the upper hand and her getting hurt or obsessed. The reversal of the nodes can act as an attractor here, but it's not always an easy placement because both people are busy teaching each other lessons about something or other. And if they have this placement, they're either 9 years or 27 years apart in age (or 36 or... etc.). It's hard to say how this pans out because I don't know the ages involved, but if one person is still relatively young, they might be especially hesitant to be in a relationship with a nodal reversal -- they still want to have fun, nothing too heavy, and the nodal reversal is downright karmic in feel. Ditto for Pluto on one person's MC and Saturn on the other's. MC action -- maybe they are business partners? I just don't see a healthy romance here.

PAIR #3: in a relationship, married.
Why: Sun/south node conjunction is extremely strong and magnetic; so are the oppositions between his moon and her sun, Venus, and Jupiter. And the Saturn/North Node conjunction is like glue -- definitely there are lessons about responsibility and duty in this relationship, and how better for that to manifest than through marriage? There's a nice mix of harmonious aspects and challenging ones; the alignment of the AC/DC axis suggests they see each other as ideal partners, and they each have each other's Chiron conjunct an angle. It just looks like a good balance of everything, with a lot of double whammies.

Okay, getting sleepy... I'll explain #4 and #5 tomorrow, but right now I'm leaning towards #5 as being married and #4 as just being in a relationship.

Also, I agree with DD that house ruler aspects reveal quite a lot, and without knowing houses, this becomes a little trickier. Since many people (unfortunately) don't marry for love, I don't think there's anything in synastry that really points to marriage itself. Love and attraction are easier to see, but marriage is done for different reasons by different people, making it hard to pinpoint between two charts. It helps that you mentioned the two married couples had love at first sight -- that's mostly what I was looking for in the lists -- since marriage itself has too many different possibilities.

Thanks for posting this -- I'm really curious to see the answers!

posted June 28, 2009 06:45 AM         

BTW I visited your website and it looks great, and I`M already eagerly waiting for your articles on synastry, soulmates and Draco`s. I have the feeling I will find a LOT to learn in them.

EDIT:

There are some things I vehemently agree with in your above post.

"as well as an alignment of angles (AC/DC and MC/IC), which point to a strong attraction and affinity.

However, most marriages I've seen have some conjunctions between nodes and planets or nodes and angles

and I usually like to see more action between just personal planets.

Why: trine trine trine trine trine. Relationships need some friction for both people to feel the spark
That is one of the things that cannot be emphasised enough.
Trines won`t make some people fall in love. They may add compatibility, harmony, but not that attraction and spark, needed for starting a relationship (leaving your usual life and starting something new, like a relationship, which always is a big step, you need to apply ENERGY, and trines donīt give energy).

so are the oppositions between his moon and her sun, Venus, and Jupiter. And the Saturn/North Node conjunction is like glue
My parents have Sun-Moon-opposition and SAturn-SN-conjunction, too, and have been married for 35 years.

posted June 28, 2009 07:57 AM         

- conjunctions to Nodes
- conjunctions to angles or angles to each other
- ruler of ASC or DSC conjunct ASC / DSC or respective rulers

posted June 28, 2009 12:24 PM         

Also, in generally, what do you guys think of using such a narrow orb? I usually use a wider one (I kept this narrow so the lists wouldn't be 8 feet long)--but sometimes I think a narrow orb is more revealing about the most prominent aspects of the relationship.

There are some aspects at a wider orb that I think might be significant in these synastries, though:

PAIR 1
His SUN square her MOON (6)
His MOON square her MARS (6)
His SATURN square her MARS and JUPITER (9.4)
His CHIRON square her MOON (4)
His AC conjunct her URANUS (8)
Her AC square his MARS and CHIRON (8,9)
Her AC conjunct his JUPITER (5)

PAIR 2
His SUN square her SUN (8)
SUN/MOON DW [her Sun trine his Moon (2), his Sun square her Moon (9)]
SUN/MERC DW (each Merc squared the other's Sun at 4 and 5 degrees, plus Sun/Sun and Merc/Merc squares, fun)
His MOON conjunct her NEPTUNE (5)
JUPITER/NN DW [His Jupiter conjunct her NN (3), her Jupiter square his NN (0)]
His SATURN square her VENUS (8)
VENUS/PLUTO DW [His Pluto square her Venus (0), her Pluto conjunct his Venus (8)]
His NEPTUNE conjunct her AC (9)

PAIR 3
MOON/SUN DW [her Moon trine his Sun(7), his Moon opp her Sun (1)]...these broader-orbed moon contacts seem very significant as DWs to me, knowing the relationship
MOON/MOON trine (6)
PLUTO/VENUS DW [His Venus square her Pluto(5), her Pluto sextile his Venus(3)]
His NN conjunct her NN (8)
His NN conjunct her LUST (6)
His DC conjunct her URANUS (7)

I'll wait till you've guessed on #4 and #5, just so it's even...but, in general, how much weight should I give these wider-orbed aspects?

posted June 28, 2009 12:34 PM         

hmm... interesting.

So you think the SN conjunct is more potent than a NN conjunct?

Lets say you had with one guy
your SN conjunct his IC
his SN conjunct your Jupiter

and then with another guy
your NN conjunct his sun/venus/mars/psyche

posted June 28, 2009 02:09 PM         

quote:

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My parents have Sun-Moon-opposition and SAturn-SN-conjunction, too, and have been married for 35 years.

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posted June 28, 2009 02:20 PM         

... me needs picture of chart...

... me is sad now that me can't play...

posted June 28, 2009 02:31 PM         

I'm not posting the charts because a) I'm technologically inept and b) I don't think anyone can recognize who these people are from these aspects, but the charts would give each one's full birth info/full natal chart, which might be recognizable, and I want to keep them anonymous and c) I rely 100% on house overlays in synastry, so I'm using LindaLand to teach myself to read aspects better...so far I've learned A LOT...it's amazing how accurate some astrologers are with just aspect lists. And with full charts, it's harder for me to see EXACTLY how they are doing this and then copy them!

posted June 28, 2009 03:10 PM         

PAIR #2 (Scorpio Man/ Leo Woman)
His SATURN trine her MOON (2)
His NN conjunct her SN (1)
His SN conjunct her NN (1)
His MC conjunct her MOON (1)
His MC conjunct her SATURN (1)

PAIR #3 (Pisces Man/Leo Woman)
His SUN conjunct her SN (2)
His SATURN conjunct her NN (2)
His CHIRON conjunct her DC (0)
His AC conjunct her CHIRON (4)
His AC conjunct her DC (3)

PAIR #4 (Leo Man/ Scorpio Woman)
His SATURN square her MOON (2)
His NEPTUNE conjunct her DC (3)

PAIR #5 (Cancer Man/ Libra Woman)
His MOON conjunct her NN (0)
His MERC conjunct her NN (0)
His SATURN conjunct her MOON (2)
HIS NN conjunct her MOON (0)
His MC conjunct her JUPITER (2)
His MC conjunct her SATURN (3)

I say either 2 or 3. Maybe 5.

posted June 28, 2009 03:23 PM         

Which are you guessing for the two couples who married?

posted June 28, 2009 07:40 PM         

If you said three of these pairs were married, I would choose both 4 and 5 as married ones (along with 3).

PAIR #4: in a relationship, not married.
Why: they have plenty of activity between personal planets -- both easy aspects and challenging ones. The very nature of a Leo/Scorpio interaction tends to be passionate, and this strikes me as a relationship where emotions and chemistry run high... just look at the sun/Mars conjunction, conjunctions and squares to both people's Mercury (a lot of lively conversation, mixed in with heated arguments), Venus/Mars square, Saturn/moon square. A lot of pleasure, a lot of pain. These people evoke a strong response in each other. However, what makes me say "no" to marriage is the lack of nodal conjunctions and no alignment of the axis. I don't see any at all. If they did marry, it may have been from a combination of initial passion and Neptune on the DSC (which does a fine job of hiding problems... at first). But since I have to chose between this and #5 for a marriage, I'll say this one isn't it -- probably a significant relationship none the less.

PAIR #5: in a relationship, married.
Why: the mutual moon/north node conjunction won me over. That has to feel enormously significant to both people, and with the moon pulling up karmic situations related to the home and family life, it seems natural that this pair would gravitate towards marriage and raising children. They each have some planetary conjunctions the other's MC, including a Jupiter/MC double whammy (which by default also affects the IC -- again home, family, domesticity), making me think they have a very positive influence over each other's public ambitions, career, and life goals. On top of that, moon/ASC conjunctions are absolutely powerful. There really is a lot of lunar activity. Even though there's no alignment of the axis, I think the planet-to-angle conjunctions and nodal conjunctions could be enough to create a similar effect.