posted July 02, 2009 12:09 AM         

i asked about mercury re #2 because it was conj his saturn and that seemed to play a part somehow i just didn't know how, and now about the house placement, etc. i really think it had more to do with him in relationships than you specifically--another case where the natal really comes into play [the sq]--i was surprised about you lighting up his h5 like that, but then factoring in saturn there and it's in your 8th etc. yes i do feel there was something there holding him back that he couldn't get past--obviously not the right time for you two to be together.

posted July 02, 2009 01:03 AM         

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obviously not the right time for you two to be together.

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Yeah, also, it's not like his natal chart has brought him a life of great sex and true love--he's in his 30s and has been in love once, with a woman he was only really around for a couple of weeks. I feel like he flunked his Saturn Return.

posted July 02, 2009 04:35 AM         

One couple fell in love at first sight,have a rather feisty and intense relationship,
and has been together for over 10 years

One couple had intense attraction,with the attraction changing both individuals and altering the course of their lives,
yet nothing came of it due to inhibition and confused communication.

One couple had unrequited/one sided love - one partner was head over heels intensely in love, while the other only had platonic feelings that were not sexual in nature. This couple got married, but divorced after 3 years. Partner who was not in love ended it.

Pair #1

His Sun conjunct her Moon (5)
His Sun conjunct her Mars (5)
His Sun conjunct her Ascendant (5)
His Sun square Her Mercuy (2)
His Moon square her Sun (5)
His Moon conjunct her Moon (3)
His Moon trine her Venus (4)
His Moon trine her Mars(2)
His Moon conjunct her Jupiter (1)
His Moon conjunct her Uranus (0)
His Mercury conjunct her Moon (3)
His Mercury trine her Venus (4)
His Mercrury trine her Mars (1)
His Mercury conjunct her jupiter (1)
His Mercury conjunct her Uranus (0)
His Venus square her Venus (3)
His Venus square her Mars (2)
His venus opposite her vertex (1)
His Mars conjunct her Moon (4)
His Mars square her Mercury (3)
His Mars trine her Mars (5)
His Mars conjunct her ASc (5)
His Jupiter square her mercury (2)
His Jupiter conjunct her Chiron (2)
His Jupiter opposite her Ascendant (1)
His Saturn trine her venus (3)
His Uranus trine her Sun (5)
His Uranus conjunct her Saturn (4)
His Neptune square her Sun (1)
His Neptune trine her Venus (0)
His Neptune conjunct her Jupiter (3)
His Neptune conjunct her Uranus (4)
His Neptune square her MC (4)
His Pluto opposite her Venus (0)
His Pluto sextile her Jupiter (3)
His North Node conjunct her Saturn (0)
His North Node conjunct her Pluto (4)
His Chiron sextile her Mercury (0)
His Chiron trine her Neptune (0)
His Chrion opposite her Pluto (0)
His Chrion sextile her North Node (2)
His Ascendant opposite her Chiron (3)
His Ascendant conjunct her Ascendant (2)
His MC sextile her Moon (1)
His MC opposite her Mars (3)
His MC square her Neptune (4)
His MC square her North Node (2)

Pair #2

Her Sun opposite her Moon (2)
her Sun square her Mercury (5)
Her Sun sextile her MArs (3)
Her Moon conjunct her Saturn (1)
Her Moon tirne her North Node (3)
Her Mercury sextile her Sun (1)
Her mercury trine her MC (1)
Her Venus trine her Sun (2)
Her square her Venus (3)
Her venus sextile her MC (0)
Her Mars opposite her Moon (0)
Her Mars sextile her Mars (1)
Her Mars opposite her Jupiter (4)
Her Mars opposite her Uranus (3)
Her Jupiter conjunct her Moon (1)
Her Jupiter trine her Mars (0)
Her Jupiter conjunct her Jupiter (3)
Her Jupiter conjunct her Uranus (2)
Her Saturn trine her Mercury (1)
Her Saturn sextile her Neptune (0)
Her Saturn conjunct her Pluto (0) *Pluto is chart Ruler
Her Saturn trine her North Node (2)
Her Uranus conjunct her Moon (2)
Her Uranus trine her Mars (0)
Her Uranbus conjunct her Jupiter (2)
Her Neptune sextile her Mercury (0)
Her Neptune opposite her North Node (2)
Her Pluto trine her Mercury (0)
Her Pluto trine her Norht Node (3)
Her North Node tirne her Mercury (2)
Her North Node opposite her Neptune (3)
Her Chiron opposite her Ascendant (3)
Her Ascendant square her Moon (2)
Her Ascendant conjunct her mercury (5)
Her Ascendant trine her Saturn (1)
Her Ascendant sextile her Neptune (3)
Her Ascendant trine her Pluto (3)
Her Ascendant trine her North Node (1)
Her MC square her Mercury (0)
Her MC opposite her Chiron (3)
her MC conjunct her Ascendant (3)

Pair #3

His Sun square her Sun (5)
His Sun square her MC (2)
His Moon square her mars (5)
His Moon square her venus (5)
His sextile her Saturn (2)
His Moon opposite her Vertex (0)
His Mercury Square her Mars (1)
His Mercury trine her Saturn (0)
His Mercury opposite her Neptune (5)
His Mercury trine her Pluto (5)
His Mercury conjunct her North Node (3)
His Mercury conjunct her Vertex (2)
His venus opposite her Moon (5)
His venus square her mercury (2)
His venus opposite her Ascendant (5)
His Mars conjunct her Chiron (3)
His Mars opposite her AScendant (4)
His Mars trine her MC (2)
His jupiter trine her moon (1)
His jupiter trine her Mars (0)
His Jupiter trine her Jupiter (3)
His Jupiter square her Saturn (3)
His Jupiter trine her uranus (2)
His Saturn square her Moon (2)
His Saturn square her Jupiter (2)
His Uranbus trine her Sun (3)
His uranus sextile her MC (0)
His neptune square her Sun (4)
His neptune trine her venus (5)
His neptune square her MC (1)
His pluto opposite her Venus (3)
His North Node opposite her SUn (2)
His North Node square her Jupiter (1)
His North Node square her Uranus (3)
His Ascendant square her mercury (3)
His Ascendant opposite her Chiron (1)
His Ascendant conjunct her Ascendant (5)
His MC opposite her Sun (3)

posted July 02, 2009 04:51 AM         

Pair #1 - One couple fell in love at first site,have a rather feisty and intense relationship,
and has been together for over 10 years

Pair #2 - One couple had intense attraction,with the attraction changing both individuals and altering the course of their lives,
yet nothing came of it due to inhibition and confused communication.

posted July 02, 2009 05:28 AM         

pair#1 >> they have lots of supportive aspects between Sun/Moon and stressful between Venus/Mars >>> passionate and intense affair but it feels like they stuck together long-term

pair #2 >> lots of stressful aspects from Mars >> stands for intensity; Moon conj Saturn and Sun opoposite Moon + Sun square Merc may mean they are not good at communicating and compromsiing

posted July 02, 2009 05:41 AM         

Pair 1: intense relationship
His Sun conunct her Moon, mars and aSC = strong attraction based on their personalities

square to her Mercury = maybe they discuss a lot

his Moon square her Sun = strong, yet uncomfortable attracton
his Moon conjunct her Moon = emotional bond

his Moon trine her Venus and Mars = harmonious emotional and sexual compatibility

his Moon conjunct hr Jupiter and Uranus = feelings are aroused on first sight (not necessarily romantic, but it is like emotional bond at first sight)

his Venus square her Venus and Mars=
intense, yet uncomfortable attraction, pretty passionate
(now I know that Lucia had a similiar configuration in her synastry with her crush, those squares to his Venus; I wondered why I felt that in THIS case this relates to intense passion.
My conclusion or idea so far= it`s not enough to have your Venus and Mars having aspected, but it depends which planets make the aspect on the other side.
An aspect to Chiron will feel different than one to Mars)

his Mars conjunct her Moon=
very strong sexual and emotional attraction

his Mars square her Mercury=
do they frequently fight or tease each other?

his Mars conjunct her ASC=
sexual attraction for sure

his Neptune square her Sun=
possibly deceptive, but they have so many other strong aspects

his Pluto opposite her Venus=
compulsive attraction

his NN conjunct her Saturn and Pluto=
deeply karmic, lifechanging, very intense and probably binding

posted July 02, 2009 05:46 AM         

Sun opposite MOon = attraction

Sun square Mercury = probably not very good

Moon conjunct Saturn = can be binding, but also inhibiting

Venus trine Sun= harmonic attraction

Mars opposite MOon= intense sparks and attraction, but can be also hurtful at times

Mars opposite Juiter, Uranus= very unusual attraction

jupiter conjunct Moon = very much sympathy

Saturn conjunct Pluto = karmic, lifechanging

Uranus conjunct MOo and trine Mars= unusual electrifying chemistry

Neptune conjunct SN as DW= confusion, misunderstandings, miscommunications, illusions

Chironc onjunct DSC and IC=
faced with own wounds and hurt through very personal qualities of the other

MC conjunct ASC=
stron attraction

The Uranus-aspects seem to indicate a very unusual relationships or attraction; did they realize through their attraction to each other that they are homo- or bisexual?

posted July 02, 2009 05:54 AM         

HIs Moon square her Mars and Venus=
she feels sexually attracted to him; he responds in a rather emotional way; maybe she is coming on too strong though

his Moon opoiste her Vertex = fated emotional encounter?

Mercury opposite Neptune= confusion; misinterpretations

Mercury conjunct NN and VErtex=
since Mercury is also a symbol for the brother / sister, could that indicate a rather platonic exchange?

Venus opposite Moon= intensely emotional

his Venus and Mars conjunct her DSC= he fits her ideal in a relationship context (also sexually) perfectly

his Mars conjunct her Chiron=
his sexuality (or the asexuality in relation to her) reawakens an old wound of feeling unloved?

his Jupiter trine Moon, Mars= he feels encouraging and supportive towards her

his SAturns quare her MOon= he recjects her emotions?

his Neptune square her Sun and trine her Venus=
he mystiefies her; she feels probably magig between them, yet she seems to misinterprete him many times (th square to her Sun), and he probably feels some sort of general, but unpersonal affection for her

his Pluto oppoist ehr Venus=
she is passionately drawn to him to the point of obsession?

his SN conjunct her Sun=
she is familiar to him?

his ASC conjunct her ASC=
familiarity

his IC conjunct her Sun=
he thinks of her as family and really cares about her, just not in a romantic or sexual context

posted July 02, 2009 10:22 AM         

What I mean is it`s not enough to see just a Venus-Mars conjunction for example, but to see which other planets are connected to that Venus-Mars conjunction.

Also, signplacements of course play a role, too.

In my case I think the double or triple insecurity and vulnerability may have its roots in the fact ath I have Chiron in th house squaring Saturn in 8th house and sextile Moon in 2nd house, while saturn is quinkunx Moon.
My Eros, Vertex-conjunction and my Sun-Moon-mp is also exactly squaring Chiron.

So I guess there were major chances that this chiron is very vulnerable.

posted July 02, 2009 01:20 PM         

1st synastry:
a 7 year relationship; very committed; yet there was only very little sexual interest from him into her; breakup was very painful for her

2nd synastry:
a 5year old marriage, that developed from a friendship; he was interested in the beginning and adores her and stood by her side as a true friend; she was not interested in the beginning, but grew to love him. They care deeply for each other.

3rd synastry:
the synastry of her best friend with her husbands; they are only platonic friends of course, but get along well.

4th synastry:
20 years long friendship between two women; they also have worked at university together; very stable friendship.

5th synastry:
intense affair started by an overwhelming infatuation; extreme incompatibility; he became manipulative, controlling, almost psychotic; very destructive; sexual intercourse didn`t succeed.

posted July 02, 2009 01:27 PM         

MOon trine Moon (3)
Moon sextile Venus (1)
Moon sextile Mars (1)
MOon sextile Pluto (2)
Moon trine Saturn (0)
Moon conjunct Neptune (1)

Mercury square Saturn 83)
Mercury conjunct NN (4)
Mercury trine MC (3)
Venus opposite Moon (5)
Jputier square Neptune (3)
Jupiter trine ASC (3)
Juiter conjunct MC (3)
Saturn sextile Sun (0)
Saturn square Moon (2)
Npetune sextile Mercury (0)
Neptune square MC (2)
Pluto conjunct Mercury (0)
NN sextile Venus (0)
NN sextile Mars (0)
NN sextile Pluto (0)
NN trine Saturn (0)
NN trine MOON (5)
NN conjunct Neptune (0)
Uranus opposite Chirn (3)
DSC conjunct Chiron (2)
IC trine mercury (2)
IC trine Venus (2)
IC trine Mars (2)
MC conjunct Saturn (2)
MC square Uranus (5)
MC square NN (5)

posted July 02, 2009 01:35 PM         

Sun trine Sun (5)
Sun square Moon (2)
Sun square Venus (2)
Sun square Mars (2)
Sun square Pluto (2)
Sun conjunct DSC (2)
Moon sextile Moon (0)
Moon trine Venus (4)
Moon trine Mars (4)
Moon oppoiste Saturn (3)
Mercury trine jupiter (0)
Mercury square Uranus (3)
Mercury square NN (3)
Mercury square Chiorn (0)
Venus opposite Jupiter 82)
Venus square MC (2)
Mars square Sun (2)
Mars sextile MOon (1)
Mars trine Venus (5)
Mars trine Mars (5)
Jupiter conjunct Moon (0)
Jupiter opposite Venus (4)
Jupiter opposite Mars (4)
Jupiter trine Saturn (4)
Jupiter square ASC (4)
Saturn sextile Jupiter (0)
Saturn square Uranus (4)
Saturn square NN (4)
Saturn square chiron (0)
Uranus conjunct NN (2)
Uranus trine MC (4)
Neptune trine MOon (3)
Neptune sextile Venus (1)
Neptune sextile Mars (1)
Neptune trine Saturn (0)
Pluto opposite MOon (4)
Pluto conjunct Mercury (4)
Pltuo conjunct Venus (0)
Pluto conjunct Mars (0)
Pluto sextile Saturn (0)
Pluto square ASC (0)
NN sextile Sun (2)
ASC squre Mercury (2)
ASC square Venus (2)
ASC square Pluto (1)
ASC squrae Mars (2)
ASC conjunct DESC (2)
IC trine ASC (3)

5th synastry:
Sun sextile Jupiter (2)
Sun opposite Saturn (3)
Sun square Pluto (4)
Moon conjunct Moon (2)
Mercury square Uranus (0)
Venus conjunct Mars (2)
Venus sextile MC (2)
Venus ocnjunct ASC (4)
Mars trine MOon (1)
Mars square Jupiter (5)
Jupiter sextile Moon (1)
Jupiter square Saturn (1)
Jupiter conjunct chiron (4)
Saturn trine Mars (5)
Saturn square Uranus (1)
Uranus sextile Venus (0)
Uranus trine Jupiter (5)
Neptune square Jupiter (1)
Neptune conjunct nN (2)
Pluto sextile NN (1)
Chiron trine Sun (3)
Chiron trine Mercury (2)
Chiron conjunct Chiron (3)
ASC conjunct Venus (3)
ASC sextile Jupiter (2)
ASSC squre Pluto (0)
ASC square MC (5)
MC square Moon (2)
MC rine Jupiter (3)
MC trine Saturn (2)

posted July 03, 2009 05:16 AM         

I bow down to your superior synastry decyphering skills Peri and DD.

You were 100% correct!

I thought they could be misleading, or tricky to identify as the pairs have similar challenging aspects that have played out in drastically different ways.
Two have Sun-Neptune squares, and two have challenging aspects to mercury, and two share a Venus-Pluto opposition.

Pair #1 Is of a couple that fell in love at first sight and have been together for over 10 years. Many thought that they would burn out, or burn each other, as there is strong passion there (His very active mars etc).

Pair #2 Is indeed the intense life changing attraction that was inhibited. You are right DD, they both realized through this experience their bi/homosexuality. It is of two friends of mine, and by all accounts it was as if they were married - they were that close but the actual relationship was stunted.Strong Uranus and mars again.

Pair #3 Was a surprise to me too.She left him, and no one saw it coming! They are friends now, as far as I know, yet he still has feelings. Her sun conjunct his South Node may have led to the marriage, along with his mars and venus on her DC.

This is the couple with no moon-moon aspects,or moon-sun, unlike the other two pairs. This illustrates the importance of moon-moon and moon-sun interaspects in two way attractions perhaps?

Wow thank you Peri and DD for playing - your insights were great, and it's amazing to see that so much can be gleaned from just the planet interactions, without the houses or asteroids added in.

posted July 03, 2009 10:25 AM         

There are 3 synastries with heavy Pluto action (1, 3 and 4). The 4th has the most abrasive synastry going on between Mars/Venus/Sun/Moon out of those 3. I think the person on the right is the man.

posted July 03, 2009 10:45 AM         

The woman, who is the same in every synastry, has a very challenging natal chart.

Moon in Aries opposing MErcury / Venus / Mars / Pluto in Libra square ASC in Cancer.
Maybe that helps?

posted July 03, 2009 11:06 PM         

1st synastry:

3rd synastry:
the synastry of her best friend with her husbands; they are only platonic friends of course, but get along well.
Sun-jupiter square.
No Venus/mars from her to him.
Her Moon and sun aspect his IC indicating closeness and good feeling/comfortableness with each other.

5th synastry:

One of the friendship ones - 4th synastry:
20 years long friendship between two women; they also have worked at university together; very stable friendship.
Plenty of supportive MC aspects = perhaps worked together, or supported each other in their careers/work.
Sun-jupiter sextile and moon-jupiter sextile for great friendship, sun-saturn opposition for the '20 years friendship thats stable'.
Moon-moon conjunction for shared affinity and emotional ease.

4th synastry:

One of the marriages.
2nd synastry:
a 5year old marriage, that developed from a friendship; he was interested in the beginning and adores her and stood by her side as a true friend; she was not interested in the beginning, but grew to love him. They care deeply for each other.

2nd synastry:

1st synastry:
a 7 year relationship; very committed; yet there was only very little sexual interest from him into her; breakup was very painful for her.

Lots of contacts to her moon, indicating much involvement and support for her emotional nature.
Her IC trining his mars,venus etc shows she felt him and the attraction on a very visceral and deep internal place.
NO active aspects to his mars or venus = perhaps he didn't have sexual attraction to her.

3rd synastry:
Overactive venus nd pluto, plus moon-moon conjunction = great affinity and intense attraction right off the bat.
No sun-sun, or sun-moon aspects = did not actualize into anything long term.
His saturn opposite her moon = could be seen as trying to control her emotional nature, coupled with his pluto squaring her venus.

Although, I think synastries 4 and 3 are similar in some repsect.

Ok ok, oh master of synastry DD - I bet I got 0 right

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Well, that could actually be an indication, that tighter orbs really work stronger, cuase her aspects that could relate to sexual interest (her Venus and Mars square his Moon, her DSC conjunct his Venus and Mars) are all with wide orb (4 - 5 degrees)

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Thats what confused me initially too - but then after asking her, it seems he indeed 'fit' her idea of a partner on every level, but not sexually. The marriage they had functioned perfectly as a very successful 'partnership'. So since DC is the partnership, and not necessarily sexual attraction, it does make sense, no?

posted July 04, 2009 10:11 AM         

I think you got 2 synastries right.

2nd synastry is the one with her ex-boyfriend of 7 years.

4th synastry is the one with her husband. I was almost surprised about the high amount of tension to his Sun. But as a matter of fact he in the beginning wasn`t really her "type", which could be described by that.

posted July 04, 2009 04:16 PM         

I am posting three charts:

one pair had a turbulent long-term marriage, got divorced but a year later got married again, overall they were married for more than 40 years, a very karmic relationship

one pair had an intense, obssessive relationship that ended in a break-up withine 2 years

one pair were good friends, had a purely platonic relationship