posted March 04, 2010 04:52 PM            

I'm rather methodical in my thinking. I love problem-solving, I find it fun. I generally think about the things I am studying (two areas actually..) - one of them is more abstract (science-related) and leaves room for my Uranus - whereas the other is very clear and factual.. I find it more Jupiterian. I'm working part time in the second area. The first area is highly interesting but won't bring in much cash long term.

^ If you read that you'll notice how desperately I've avoided detail. Sometimes I do provide personal detail.. but I usually delete it as soon as I typed it lol

This is definitely a Piscean thing. I'm secretive!
I'd love to answer your question in more detail but I'd have to give examples from my life... and my Mercury says "Naw.."

So what else can I say that is - general enough not to cross the boundaries of my very private mind - and yet - informative? lol

I find my thought process fluid.. but there is definitely a means to my madness.. I am no "fish lost at sea". If you asked someone who knows me (mainly career-wise, the area where I use my Mercury most of all) - they'd tell you I'm an extremely *cold* minded person.. someone who only sees fact and not fiction.

Tell these people I'm posting on an astrology site and they won't believe you. I guess I'm difficult to read. People do not usually intuit the workings of my mind.. and I'm much more emotional then it *seems* on the surface.

Ironically, I think knowflakes on LL would know more about my mind through my posts.. than anyone in my day to day life (other than close family and friends who've known me for years).
I am pretty sociable though. Sometimes I love being around people (My Venus-NN) - but even when I socialize with acquaintances or strangers.. I'm still extremely secretive. I usually give only details that are not significant to me..

Other times I need space.. I need OFF time. I need to be alone.
I've often been told off by friends for having my mobile off or not answering calls (There was another Pisces Merc person on here who had the same experience).. I guess it strikes them as odd that I am sociable one minute and disappearing off the face of the planet the next minute

Anyway that's all I got...

posted March 04, 2010 07:27 PM            

vapor-lash - 'Other times I need space.. I need OFF time. I need to be alone.
.. I guess it strikes them as odd that I am sociable one minute and disappearing off the face of the planet the next minute'

I can relate. I have Mercury in 10th but mine is in Aries.
I think my social/unsocial is an unpredictable Moon in Aquarius thing. Could be wrong.

Hi Raymond

Only just saw your post, thank you for the links.

I'm going through some tough transits so maybe it all just seems more difficult at this time. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/203510.html

'It seems that you have a Mercury triundecile Mars..an 11th harmonic aspect
I have the same aspect, and it is part of 11th harmonic aspect patterns in my chart with 2 of them having corresponding midpoint picture.'

I've just re-read your post on page 2 of this thread re the 11th Harmonic Aspect. Heavy stuff. It sounds very unite or divide / kill or cure. I hope it's not that prominent in my chart. Sorry if it's prominent in yours.

'I wouldn't count Mercury square Mars with 9 degrees. I wouldn't count Mercury square Mars of over 8 degree orb.'

Yay My chart got a little lighter!

'If you want, I could check out your chart. I am interested in Astrological Neuropsychology.'

posted March 04, 2010 07:43 PM            

The 11th harmonic is very prominent in my chart.
There is no need to be sorry.
Like every harmonic, 11th harmonic does have its positives like being agent within groups, first by observing the group dynamics,then by exerting a subtle spiritual force that can reunify and make whole the organization or association.

Zane Stein wrote the following:

" I have found that the more Undecim multiples one has in a chart, the more social consciousness a person seems to have. The Undecim [and its multiples] also seem to bring the aspected planet quite well into a group situation, to work with the group to help resolve difficulties. It has a very tight orb, though, of only 1/2 degree even with Sun or Moon."

Positives of 11th harmonics are social consciousuness, work with the group to resolve difficulties.
That's what I do as a neurodiversity advocate,helping raise awareness and understanding of neurological/learning differences and going to form a nonprofit neurodiversity organization.

according to Adze

"An Undecile occurs when two planets are plus or minus thirty-two degrees, forty-three minutes and seven seconds apart (approximately thirty-three degrees). An undecile is one-eleventh of a circle. Undeciles indicate psychic gifts. Where undeciles are found, modifications are required. Undeciles relate to the power of computers, science and technology. Undeciles resonate with Uranus, Fixed, Air and Aquarius energy. "
http://www.adze.com/Classroom/aspects.html

so my strong 11th harmonic energy including Mercury aspects like my Mercury undecile Uranus could indicate the ability to think outside the box and intuition which can be good for computers,science,and technology.......of course Astrology too.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted March 05, 2010 06:17 AM            

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Dear Vapor,
How would you analyze this---His mercury opposes my venus and my mercury opposes his venus.
Is this mutual reception ? Is mutual reception the same as the double whammy?
Thanks so much, Vapor? Ami

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Ami -
@ posting at the same time. It reminds me of one of my Gemini friends.. When Aries and Gem get together - we *can* talk - You know? lol And we often end up talking over each other hehe

A double whammy is exactly what you have! The same two planets in aspect - both ways.

Mutual reception is entirely different LOL
Here's an example:
Your Mars is in Cancer.
If you met an Aries Moon person.. then your Mars and their Moon would be in "mutual reception". This is because the Moon is dignified in Cancer and Mars is dignified in Aries.

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How would you analyze this---His mercury opposes my venus and my mercury opposes his venus.

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You both love the way the other expresses him/herself. Mercury and Venus are friendly planets so the opposition won't cause too much friction. You see him as very very different to the way you are but you love that about him. You love the way his mind works and the things he says. He also sees you as drastically different but this attracts him.

In the beginning stages - this will work very well.. In time you might have the occasional argument over "lack of appreciation"..
But most Mercury-Venus arguments are not long lasting or serious. It could be little things like he'll say something slightly blunter than usual.. and you'll take offense - or - you'll be your usual Gem mercury self - and he'll interpret it as blowing smoke up where the sun don’t shine..

But it should all be over- very quickly!

posted March 05, 2010 11:44 AM            

I'm American but watched a lot of Ab Fab and read a lot of Dahl and Dickens in my formative years. That must make me at least a little English? Besides, tw@t is a wonderful word and deserves a home in all cultures. Don't be a selfish tw@t.

I see you also have a hard Mercury-Moon aspect. That must contribute to us seeing various emotional perspectives on one event. My brother's one of the funniest people I know, but his Moon is in Taurus and his Mercury is cnj Saturn. His mind likes to flow in one emotional current at a time. Sometimes he even feels guilty when he sees humor in a painful situation.

What I also experience - and I'm blaming Uranus for this! - is with any incoming data, that thought goes in the middle and then lines of different perspectives shoot out from it, with each line having its own development. Often lines exist on top doing commentary on those below! With Mercury in your 3rd house, you may experience a similar over analysis. Ain't it relaxing?

One line will have me analyzing the speaker, another line analyzing myself, thinking about it logically, spiritually, connecting with a memory, thinking from various personas, and so on, all at the same time. Saturn prioritizes those lines for me, something that has to happen before I can even communicate or be someone.

I've had to learn to prioritize the line that asks the question: Is this something I want in my life right now? Sometimes other lines would drown that one out and I wouldn't express this perspective clearly enough.

For example, recently at work I was standing in front of a colleague/friend who was sitting down. To get my attention, he put his hand on the back of my thigh. I immediately told him to keep it above the belt.

My mind couldn't help but question his motivation and how my reaction would affect him. In the past, one of the thoughts I'd focus on is - based on history, he's probably not being a perve so me telling him to stop may make him feel uncomfortable b/c he'll think I think that he's a perve. I still had that thought and others but didn't let them take precedence over the very simple question: Do I want this happening right now? I didn't, so I just said so and detached myself from the other considerations. I've needed to learn something that even 10 year olds know!

One of the reasons I love Saturn so much is because my Scorpio Mercury wants to focus to the point of trance. Saturn allows some Uranian lines to fall away so I can get really close with one. Getting really close to my personal self has me strongly feeling my Sun, which feels (*falsetto*) awesome. I don't think it's a coincidence that I've changed so much in this way during the year of my Saturn Return.

posted March 05, 2010 11:54 AM            

I'm the same with needing solitude, get the same slack for keeping my cell turned off. I don't even do facebook because I don't like the pressure to be constantly in the social loop. I need to fall away regularly. Without solitude, I get cranky and easily irritated.

posted March 05, 2010 02:47 PM            

Sometimes I think I am very complex and interesting, and that people find me fascinating. Other times I feel like a freak, and how can anyone possibly like me when I am so hard to understand!!

posted March 05, 2010 04:12 PM            

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Sometimes I think I am very complex and interesting, and that people find me fascinating. Other times I feel like a freak, and how can anyone possibly like me when I am so hard to understand!!

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I sorta feel like that too. In my case, it's not other people viewing me - it's me. This must be from having Merc in the 1st. I try to figure myself out so that other people won't have to! But then I get burned out on myself and feel like even one more second of self-analysis would make me puke.

It's funny because in life I would never sit around talking about myself the way I do here. The thought of it cracks me up because it's so not the way I interact.

I do it here because that's what astrology means to me. It's a gift from the heavens for self-analysis. Since we're guiding that process, it's a gentle one where we see only what we're ready to see.

posted March 05, 2010 04:20 PM            

My Uncle Eddie has Mercury in Virgo. He used to stutter so badly that nobody could understand him except my mom. He speaks well now, and he has a highpitched voice. He works as an accountant.

all the other stuff that you mentioned like sounding high strung when excited, appearing to mumble, being softspoken is like me,and I have Mercury in Scorpio.

my biological father had Mercury in Capricorn, and he also speech problems like I did. He even had a stuttering problem

I don't know about how valid Mercury signs in regards to thought processes and communications

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted March 05, 2010 05:26 PM            

ANYWHO! I over-analyze EVERYTHING. I use big words, and am a fierce grammar nazi (even though i do not capitalize my "i's"). Everything must be spelled correctly, and adjectives/adverbs are a must.

I like to listen. I like to analyze everything about you: body-language, handwriting, philosophies, secrets, why you're wearing a blue shirt, etc.

My Mercury is in the 10th house, and part of a Kite, which means that i'm career-obsessed. I always have to have 20 millions things going on at one, or else i go crazy. I always have to be learning, and improving. Everything i do must be perfect down to the last detail or else i fall into despair.

posted March 05, 2010 09:18 PM            

I don't stutter, but I guess I've never been confident when speaking to a group of people. 1 on 1 works best for me or I begin to worry or blush easily when I think I'm being an idiot. I do not have that problem with 1 on 1 though. Virgo in Mercury is great for sounding like we are smart even though we might not have a clue what we are talking about! Not that I resort to that...

Mercury in Scorpio is a whole lot like Virgo Mercury to me. A guy I talked to for months had this placement(and MANY others in scorpio) His voice was "wiry" and I have noticed this even when guys have deep voices if they have this placement. There is a certain pitch to the way you all seem to communicate that you just need some practice listening to and you'll understand what I'm talking about. For an example Jeremy Siso from the original Law and Order:

Very deep voice, but that same wiry "pitch" that catches my ear with everyone that has this placement. Mercury in Scorpio is his only scorp placement.

Meta:
You just described me as well to a T. Yeah, it drives me crazy too...and I remember everything everyone says when I'm paying attention even for years to come... Worst part about Virgo in Mercury is I have the whole "can't see the forest because of all the trees" mentality when my mind is completely focused on something. I just might be a doctor's worst nightmare. If I don't tell you every detail about what's wrong, how are you going to treat me correctly? Cut to the chase and just give the basic facts? How the hell am I supposed to do that!?

posted March 06, 2010 07:39 AM            

ANYWHO! I over-analyze EVERYTHING. I use big words, and am a fierce grammar nazi (even though i do not capitalize my "i's"). Everything must be spelled correctly, and adjectives/adverbs are a must.

I like to listen. I like to analyze everything about you: body-language, handwriting, philosophies, secrets, why you're wearing a blue shirt, etc.

My Mercury is in the 10th house, and part of a Kite, which means that i'm career-obsessed. I always have to have 20 millions things going on at one, or else i go crazy. I always have to be learning, and improving. Everything i do must be perfect down to the last detail or else i fall into despair.

Oh, and i have a great memory. But i almost don't want to write that, because (though it may not seem like it) i'm as modest as a mouse.

posted March 06, 2010 07:41 AM            

it is wide cj my ASC 5LIBRA.

sextile jup/uranus and square my Neptune.

as it is in the Zero Aries degree Point i think it is a very important planet in my chart.

Rules my 12th an 9th houses..

...usually when merc is in the AP the person is a famous writter,or at least the thoughts,and way of comunication are caught by the poublic eye.

but im not a famous writter and if that happens somewhere in my Life iŽll let you know

being in libra...im diplomatic and i seek balance when i express myself.

when having to make an important decision,iŽll ask others always,to the ones i love and i appreciate their own opinions,trying to find a balance.

yup---i use a lot "on the other hand..." hihihih

im very curious and open mindend.and i see myself as a very tolerant person,i dont like to judge or see injustices in the world.

posted March 06, 2010 07:50 AM            

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I have the same placement...Pluto (as mercury ruler), being in the first house should act somewhat like Mercury in scorpio in the first....
First impressions; are of an intense thinker who has personal power in their thoughts and others perceive this and prefer not to challenge it

I got that impression of you from the beginning. Don't need to met you in person to know how intensely emotional your thoughts are! It's so interesting how tone and feeling can come through in text.

How about this!!!!

posted March 06, 2010 08:24 AM            

Soooo like-minded you both! (Meta & Zanar)

like this...

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ANYWHO! I over-analyze EVERYTHING. I use big words, and am a fierce grammar nazi (even though i do not capitalize my "i's"). Everything must be spelled correctly, and adjectives/adverbs are a must.

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Imagine what a handicap it must be for a Virgo-Mercury if not writing/speaking in his motherlanguage! - and also not able to say what you really wanted to say..
Imagine the dictionary near you... but that's just and only a little resource/expedient(?), get it?

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I don't stutter, but I guess I've never been confident when speaking to a group of people. 1 on 1 works best for me or I begin to worry or blush easily when I think I'm being an idiot. I do not have that problem with 1 on 1 though.

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Wow.... exactly!

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Worst part about Virgo in Mercury is I have the whole "can't see the forest because of all the trees" mentality when my mind is completely focused on something. I just might be a doctor's worst nightmare. If I don't tell you every detail about what's wrong, how are you going to treat me correctly? Cut to the chase and just give the basic facts? How the hell am I supposed to do that!?

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Wow...

posted March 06, 2010 12:02 PM            

Glad you liked me post! By "Virgo friend," i suppose you're refering to someone with only Virgo Sun?

I'm sure you've posted this, but what are your other placements. I relate to your curiosity, and i have a feeling it's Scorpio related... Scorpy-heavy people can always sniff each other out!

Mir,