posted April 26, 2010 11:42 AM            

I am using a slightly wider orb with them (5° for conjunction, opposition, trine and square), even if the respective planets are Uranus, Neptune or Pluto. As they are just as individual as houserulers as any other planets.
I also only use Placidus. I can say that it works with Placidus. Probably it would work with other systems, too, but I haven`t investigated it, even though I think I found it to be valid in equal system, too.
(edit: not sure about only using Placidus anymore though)

What houses now to look at for relationship analysis?

First of all; the "identity"-houses and their rulers, which are the ones in the 1st quadrant.
Mainly 1st house, but also 2nd house, as this, too, relates to your physical identity and of course security issues. Also, an aspect between 8th and 2nd house ruler is like having a Venus-Pluto-aspect on the Taurus-Scorpio axis. Very sensual and intense!
I usually do not look that much at the 3rd house, even though it is important, just because there is SOO much to look at. The 3rd houseruler aspects can tell you much about how you can communicate with each other. So if for example your Mercurie`s are weakly aspected in synastry, a 3rd house ruler aspect can modify this picture a LOT.

I also take the 4th house and the 10th houses into account, as these are angular houses. the 4th house tells you much about the depth of your own soul and your home.
The 10th house is your public image, and in synastry often becomes prominent in marriages, when a relationship becomes legitimate or official and thus your social image changes (all 10th house symbolism).

But the "real" relationship houses imo are the 5th, 7th and 8th house, and I think they reflect different stages of "love or relationship".

The 5th house is still below the horizon and relates to your SELF more than the other. It is the house of selfexpression, especially in a romantic, creative and erotic sense.
At the same times it shows what you are attracted to, because the other one makes you feel good about yourself. But even though there is this attraction, it is still about YOU and how YOU feel (Sun/Leo is the natural ruler of this house).
Anyway, the 5th house is the stage of "falling in love". Playful, romantic, erotic, "the game of love", and if you play it it gives that spark of feeling truely alive. Sex is of course one expression of this, but more in an enthusiastic, fiery, playful manner (depending on your personal 5th house of course; my 5th house ruler squares Pluto - nothing playful about that! But I need that intensity to feel alive, which is what the 5th house attraction should bring to you; that sizzling excitement of falling in love).

The 7th house is the stage where a relationship really forms. 5th house is more about romance and affairs, and in the 7th house it gets more serious. It shows the "marriage potential". Will this other person be a compatible partner? Is he what I need and seek?
7th house is very Venus/LIbra-like, all about balance and partnership, but not necessarily deeply passionate. Yet it shows what you lack and what would compliment you and therefore it shows strongly your attraction-pattern. Even though the attraction is not as playfully erotic as it was in the 5th house.

The third house I would look at is the 8th house. It resonates with Pluto/Scorpio, and it is here that we become really committed. We may sign the marriage contract in the 7th house, but the 8th house shows how this materialises / expresses in the course of the relationship. The 7th house may be the beginning, but the 8th house is the course, the path.
Also, commitment may not be the right word. It is more a deeper bond, forged in fire and blood so to speak. ON the 8th house level you get under each other`s skin, relating in raw primal ways to each other (if you do not run away because you fear this kind of intensity), here you become deeply bonded, eternally. Here two people, two souls and bodies merge into one, and in the process each of them is transformed in profound ways. iN a way a part of you is dying, as you surrender to your partner and your own feelings (you are not literally dying; the separation / detachment between people is dissolving and this is often felt as a threat to the individuality).
It`s the "All-or-Nothing"house as I usually call it. Cause if you can`t or do not want to surrender, then you probably will feel the 8th house connections in form of repulsion and rejection or will get involved into manipulative powerplays.

We should not only look at the aspects of the rulers of these houses; but it does play a big role if planets are placed in these houses (either synastrically or natally) and make aspects to other houses.

Example:
Saturn is in my 8th house, so aspects to my Saturn will always, also, have a meaning concerning 8th house issues.
A man who shaped me the most in this regard was someone who had his Sun in my 4th house squaring this Saturn in my 8th house.
His NN fell into my 8th house opposing my Moon, ruler of my 8th house.
His Sun in my 4th house was also exactly sextile my 8th house ruler, Moon.
Needless to say it was deep soulstuff and at times felt like my personal abyss.

So share your housesruler aspects and your interpretation of these. I am curious.

posted April 26, 2010 12:19 PM            

1st house:
ruler: Jupiter (in Pisces in 3rd house)
[/b]Sun, Mercury, Neptune (Sagittarius) and Venus (Capricorn) in 1st house

2nd house:
ruler: Saturn (in Cancer in 8th house)
Moon (Aquarius) in 2nd house

- whenever any of these planets are strongly aspected, my (physical) "identity" comes into play.

10th house:
ruler: Venus in Capricorn in 1st house
Pluto (Libra) in 10th house

So whenever Venus and Pluto are aspected, the association with the public will be triggered (the "juicy" bit is that natally Venus and Pluto are squaring each other;it already shows that I ahve conflicted views about social things, public image and these things).

4th house:
ruler: Mars in Sagittarius in 12th house
no planets in 4th house

So Mars is carrying the weight of my soul, and if someone aspects my Mars, he will trigger something pretty deep inside of me, maybe also reminding me of my family.
As a matter of fact my friend`s husband`s Venus is conjunct my Mars - there has NEVER been any kind of sexual chemistry between us, even before he got involved with my friend. Mars rules my 4th house and Venus rules his 4th house - so it was rather a 4th-4th house conjunction. Plus we have a close Moon-Moon-conjunction. He always felt like family to me.
Actually the Moon conjunction is an intriguing one, as Moon rules his 7th house and my 8th house. BUT we have never been each other`s "type", which can be seen rather from the natal than the synastry alone.

5th house:
ruler: Venus in Capricorn in 1st house
no planets in 5th house

So my Venus is the planet that connects me with that "falling in love" feeling. Touch my Venus and oyu have good chances, I will feel some attraction. Well, at least the opposite is true. Without aspects to my Venus I will feel NEVER romantically attracted.

7th house:
ruler: Mercury in Sagittarius in 1st house
no planets here, but SN

Isn`t that interesting how Venus describes that I need Saturnian influence to feel attracted, but that for a relationship I also need the idealistic Sagittarius influence?

8th house:
ruler: Moon in Aquarius in 2nd house
Retro Saturn (Cancer)

Moon and Saturn both are the planets that lead me deeply into my psyche and into those passionate emotions.
It`s not easy in this case though, as Moon and Saturn are both basically unaspected (considering a 5 degree orb), BUT they have a mutual reception concerning houserulerships (ruler of 2nd house in 8th house, ruler of 8th house in 2nd house) AND they have an exact quinkunx to each other, which is the tightest aspect in my chart I think (except for the trine between Saturn and Juno which is only 00°01).

But anyway if I wanted to know if I could be attracted to someone I would check for aspects to my:

Venus ("falling in love")

Mercury ("partnership")

Moon
Saturn ("soulbond")

If I wanted to know if I could be someone`s "type", I would check for aspects to my:

Sun, Mercury, Venus, Neptune, Jupiter (1st house)

Saturn and Moon (2nd house)

AS you can easily see, Moon, Mercury, Venus and Saturn will probably have the most profound influence, as they strongly connect the OTHER with mySELF in my natal chart through rulership or houseplacements.

EDIT:
of course Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, ASC and DESC need to be checked, too.

Someone`s Sun conjunct your 7th house ruler may show that they embody a "natural partner" for you.

I am putting the most weight onto the houserulers and Sun, Moon and ASC; the other may be influential, too, but are maybe not as significant.

posted April 26, 2010 12:52 PM            

I`m glad I didn`t put it in too complicated ways.

posted April 26, 2010 01:35 PM            

planets in houses are important of course; I would interprete it together with the aspects they make.

Example:

my 8th house ruler(Moon) trines his 8th house ruler (Pluto)
in my 2nd house (my own Moon) and 10th house (his Pluto)
in his 12th house (my Moon) and 7th house (his own Pluto)

The 8th house ruler aspect shows that there is a connection on a deep committed level (8th house),
but we will experience this in different areas of our life.
For me the Earth houses will be triggered / illuminated, and it could harmoniously influence my "public / social appearance".
For him it seems to take place on a much more one-to-one-relationship oriented and above all subconscious (12th house) area.

posted April 26, 2010 01:47 PM            

His 1st House:
Taurus Venus in Virgo 13
Moon in the 1st Taurus 24
------------

My 2nd House:
Scorpio Mars in Pisces 22
My 8th House:
Taurus Venus in Gemini 14
I have Jupiter in Taurus 24 in this house

His 2nd House:
Gemini Mercury in Libra 17
He has Chiron at Gemini 14 in this house
His 8th House:
Sagittarius Jupiter Aquarius 7
He has Uranus in Sagittarius 14 here
-------

My 4th House:
Capricorn Saturn in Sagittarius 28
My 10th House:
Cancer Moon in Capricorn 8

His 4th House:
Cancer/Moon in Taurus 24
His 10th House:
Capricorn/Saturn in Scorpio 25
He has Jupiter in Aquarius 7 here.
---------

My 5th House:
Aquarius/Saturn in Sagittarius 28
My 7th House:
Aries/Mars in Pisces 22

His 5th House:
Leo/Sun in Libra 9
His Venus/Mars conjunction (Virgo 14) falls in this house.
His 7th House:
Scorpio/Mars in Virgo 14
His Pluto in Scorpio 3 & Saturn in Scorpio 25 fall in this house.

-We have Venus square Venus
-Venus (8th Ruler) trines his Mercury (2nd Ruler)
-My Jupiter in Taurus falls in my 8th House & his Moon (4th Ruler) falls on my Jupiter. This aspects his Saturn (10th Ruler) in Scorpio.
-His 5th Ruler Libra squares my 10th Ruler the Moon in Capricorn.
-My 8th Ruler Gemini squares his 7th Ruler Virgo.
-My ASC is conjunct his 5th Ruler Sun in Libra.

posted April 26, 2010 02:06 PM            

it`s interesting how often a (harmonious) aspect between the ruler of 8th and 2nd house pops up! I have seen that so frequently, it`s amazing.

posted April 26, 2010 02:12 PM            

My 5th house ruler (Venus):

(1)aspecting his identity-objects:
conjuncts his Sun

(2)aspecting his relationship-objects:
conjuncts his 8th house ruler

(3)aspecting transpersonal objects / Nodal axis
squares his Pluto

His 5th house ruler(Venus):
(1)squares my 1st house ruler

(2)------
(3)conjuncts my Neptune
conjuncts my NN

--------------------------------

my 7th house ruler :

(1)

(2)conjuncts his 7th house ruler

(3)

his 7th house ruler:
(1) widely conjuncts my Sun
(2) conjuncts my 7th house ruler

-------------------------------------

my 8th house ruler:

(1) trines his 2nd house ruler - there it is again!

(2)

(3) trines his Saturn

his 8th house ruler

(1) conjuncts my Venus

(2)conjuncts my 5th house ruler

posted April 26, 2010 02:31 PM            

my 5th house ruler, Venus:

(1) trine his Mars
trine his 1st house ruler (intercepted Aries)
trine his old 1st house ruler

(2)trine his ancient 8th house ruler

(3)trine his Jupiter

his 5th house ruler, Moon

(1) conjunct my Sun (and Mercury)

(2) conjunct my 7th house ruler

(3)

my 7th house ruler, Mercury:

(1) conjuncts his Sun
conjuncts his Moon
squares his ASC
conjuncts his 1st house ruler

(2) conjuncts his 5th house ruler
squares his DESC

(3)conjuncts his Neptune
squares his Saturn (ouch)

his 7th houe ruler, Mercury

(1) conjuncts my Mars
squares my 1st house ruler
conjuncts my ASC

(2)

(3) squares my Jupiter
conjuncts my Neptune
conjuncts my NN

my 8th house ruler, Moon

(1)

(2) trine his 8th house ruler

(3) trine his Pluto

his 8th house ruler, Pluto and Mars

(1) trine my Moon
squares my 2nd house ruler
trines my Venus
opposes my 1st house ruler

(2) trine my 8th house ruler
trines my 5th house ruler

(3) squares my Saturn
opposes my Jupiter
squares my Neptune
squares my NN
squares my ASC

posted April 26, 2010 03:26 PM            

1st and 7th house rulers Moon and Saturn are in trine, also trine Sun, Venus, Mars and Mercury.
To me, it means when I am in love I am a very responsible and mature to me being in love means everything.

5th and 8th house rulers Mars and Saturn in trine: in an relationship sex is very important is like death and been alive.

posted April 26, 2010 03:45 PM            

how do you interprete the 4th house ruler conjunct your Sun?
I have 7th house ruler exactly conjunct my Sun, and am still wondering how to interprete that. I mean I have an "idea", but somehow it is difficult to put it into words.

Actually I think your approach is the right one. first we have to access the natal chart, before it makes sense to proceed with synastry.

posted April 26, 2010 04:33 PM            

Rulers of 1st are trine Moon and Mercury

Rulers of 2nd and 8th are conjuct Sun and Mars also square Venus and Pluto

Rulers of 5th are trine Mars and Saturn

Rulers of 2nd and 5th are conjuct Venus and Mars

Rulers of 5th and 7th are oppose Mars and Neptune

Rulers of 1st and 7th are square and trine Moon and Jupiter and Saturn and Mercury

Rulers of 7th are inconjuct Saturn and Jupiter

Rulers of 8th are trine Saturn and Mars

Rulers of 1st and 8th are trine DW Moon and Mars and Mercury and Saturn

Rulers of 1st and 5th are oppose Moon and Saturn

posted April 26, 2010 04:45 PM            

it`s not (only) the amount of ruleraspects, but the intensity and quality of them that is significant.

For example:
even if you have just a few ones to his chart, but if you have something like your 7th, 5th or 8th house ruler conjunct his Sun, ASC, Mars, ruler of 1st house or even ruler of his 5th house, and he has nothing comparable, then your feelings might be more intense than his.
Also, even if there are beautiful attraction aspects, a Saturn square can spoil a LOT. It doesn`t nullify the attraction, but it puts a strong hold on it`s expression, sometimes to the point of denial.
You also have to consider the nature of his natal houses.

So, if his 8th house rulers have beautiful aspects to your chart, this is very nice, BUT what if he has a strong Saturn in his own 8th house squaring some of these planets of yours? That would explain a lot of hesistancy on his part.
You probably would still get under his skin, but he might not really like being confronted with his own inner deep feelings so strongly.

posted April 26, 2010 06:05 PM            

2nd leo (virgo) has no planets
ruler: SUN (pisces in h8)

My Sun is plugging into 2 houses that relate to my identity, this is especially true in synastry for me, to have conj to my Sun I do feel very strong, alive. As my Sun hides in the 8th, it's esp. important for me to have a conjunction there, and that is really the only time i feel noticed in relationships, as if I have the ability to influence others, which I don't ever think I have.

4th libra (scorpio) has PLUTO (libra) JUPITER (scorpio)
ruler: VENUS (capricorn in h6)

This jives with me not feeling in synastry sexual connection to Pluto, although I do have a v.close Venus/Pluto square. The connection I make with that square is related to intense dynamics in the home while growing up, and my resulting strong emotions (also my closest aspect is i believe Moon which is conj Venus, is sq Pluto, Moon rules h12, another hidden house so these feelings are all wrapped up inside). Also as my Venus is so tied to work (capricorn as a workhorse sign and h6 as the house of service) it's pretty funny that in synastry it will almost always have few if any aspects. When people do connect to my Venus in synastry, thery're asking me about what I'm cooking etc. cos they get all wrapped up in my personal food choices (I'm vegetarian strict for 11 yrs) so they make me talk about that, for some reason this is always a big topic, they see how much effort i put into trying to be organized (h6, mind you i also have pisces sun!) so they ask me about that, apparently as a way to relate to me and get me to open up but my Venus is the last thing I want to talk about. Also h4 ruler is conj my Moon, so on the other hand it has a double meaning for "coming home" and venus conj moon is akin to venus in cancer, so when my venus is conj another's moon it intensifies that feeling and I love it, since I'm always trying to recreate a real "home feeling" that I didn't have in my family life. That ties into Jupiter here too, as I like my open space and to bring a lot of culture and knowledge into it, to be striving for the home to be my personal mecca.

5th scorpio (sagittarius) has URANUS (sagittarius) NEPTUNE (sagittarius)
ruler: MARS (libra in h3) // intercepted ruler: JUPITER (scorpio in h4)

posted April 26, 2010 06:06 PM            

My 1h/4h ruler trine his 7h/11h ruler (0)
My 7h/10h ruler sextile his 7h/11h ruler (0)
My 6h ruler square his 12h ruler (0)
My MC trine his 1h/5h ruler (0)

posted April 26, 2010 06:06 PM            

7th aquarius has MERCURY (aquarius)
ruler: SATURN (libra in h3)

Well Mercury conj my Dsc is the biggest marker in what I look for, and what matters. Words are where it starts, continues, ends. I've never dumped anyone unless I felt that what I was saying was no longer getting through, that is my big deal breaker, I will forgive a lot, more than most, but if you don't want to talk to me or act like what I say about -anything- doesn't matter then there is a problem. With aquarius i get so worked up about lack of communication that i end the relationship in a flash and never look back. The most horrible sensation runs down my arms which I've come to associate with uranus/aquarius, and that energy is the feeling of needing to break free, right this minute, it's of being constricted and strained. And when I make the break the feeling goes away. Modern ruler of Aquarius is Uranus, and it's sq my Sun, the closest aspect to my Sun, this adds to the picture more as Sun rules my Asc and Uranus my Dsc, in the sense that I grew up very used to having my space, only child, and never having to compromise, etc. this has led to me also being stubborn in relationships as it's not what I'm used to, clearly Saturn being in Libra, the sign of balance and compromise, is apt, as well as being conj Mars bringing frustration, as well as being square the nodal axis. So Libra is what I need to learn above all to get past this innate fixed element that I let prevent stability in partnership. Saturn being in h3 as the traditional ruler adds again to being sensitive to my thoughts being acknowledged and that they make sense. Saturn's also conj Pluto, which is in h4, so that brings another element of emotional upheaval when I'm feeling misunderstood. Also can i just remark that from the beginning I've said my ideal type is a perfect mix of Mercury and Saturn, (plus i have mars conj saturn, venus/moon in capricorn) this means I like sometimes older men who retain a very youthful mercurial air, and also younger types who have very mature views/life experiences, aren't at the club and playing around, but doing meaningful things with their lives. I can work with both I'm very attracted to the Saturn physical look as well as Mercury, and the best is of course if they're combined

8th aquarius (pisces) has SUN (pisces)
ruler: SATURN (libra in h3)

Guess I already went over the Sun, it's hidden in h8, but it points to any deep connection I want to have, and this is true. If the communication stays in tact from h7, I do want to move into the big Pisces/h8 merging, which is total. A spiritual element that envelops us and makes the connection so deep through our shared beliefs and our solid mental bond. Uranus modern ruler aquarius cusp, so that relates to h7 again, as there being a push-pull here, Saturn in h3 points again to anything I undertake in relations needs constant work at balance and learning simple give and take.

10th aries (taurus) has no planets
ruler: MARS (libra in h3)

This prob has some bearing on things but I can't think of it right now.

OK, so,

SUN is my physical identity planets (h1)
VENUS, PLUTO, JUPITER are my soul and family connection planets (h4)
MARS, JUPITER, URANUS, NEPTUNE connect me with the falling in love feeling (h5)
SATURN, MERCURY associates with my partnerships (h7)
SATURN, SUN are associated with deep intense soul-bonding (h8)
MARS is my association with the public (h10)

If I wanted to know if I could be attracted to someone I would check for aspects to my:
MARS, JUPITER, URANUS, NEPTUNE "falling in love"
MERCURY, SATURN "partnership"
SUN, SATURN "soulbond"

If I wanted to know if I could be someone`s "type", I would check for aspects to my:
SUN (h1,h2)

posted April 26, 2010 08:28 PM            

do u consider rulers of 7hs in quincunx?
as a positive or negative aspect?

posted April 26, 2010 08:29 PM            

my h4 ruler conj his h1 ruler = MOON conj MARS (5)
my h4 ruler conj his h2 ruler = MOON conj VENUS (4)
my h4 ruler conj his intercepted h5 ruler = MOON conj SUN (5)
my h5 ruler trine his h7 ruler = SUN trine VENUS (2)
my h5 ruler trine his h8 ruler= SUN trine PLUTO (2)
my h5 ruler sq his h1 ruler = SUN sq MARS (1)
my h5 ruler sq his h2 ruler = SUN sq VENUS (1)
my h5 ruler sq his intercepted h5 ruler = SUN sq SUN (1)
my intercepted h5 ruler trine his h10 ruler = SUN trine SATURN (4)
my h7 ruler trine his h7 ruler = VENUS trine VENUS (1)
my h7 ruler trine his h8 ruler = VENUS trine PLUTO (1)
my h7 ruler sq his h1 ruler = VENUS sq MARS (1)
my h7 ruler sq his h2 ruler = VENUS sq VENUS (1)
my h7 ruler sq his intercepted h5 ruler = VENUS sq SUN (1)
my h8 ruler trine his h7 ruler = PLUTO trine VENUS (1)
my h8 ruler trine his h8 ruler = PLUTO trine PLUTO (1)
my h8 ruler sq his h1 ruler = PLUTO sq MARS (1)
my h8 ruler sq his h2 ruler = PLUTO sq VENUS (1)
my h8 ruler sq his intercepted h5 ruler = PLUTO sq SUN (1)
my h10 ruler trine his h7 ruler = SATURN trine VENUS (2)
my h10 ruler trine his h8 ruler = SATURN trine PLUTO (2)
my h10 ruler sq his h1 ruler = SATURN sq MARS (1)
my h10 ruler sq his h2 ruler = SATURN sq VENUS (1)
my h10 ruler sq his intercepted h5 ruler = SATURN sq SUN (1)

House rulership DW's of,
Sun/Venus
Sun/Saturn
Venus/Pluto
So there's fondness, a certain attraction and mutual appreciation here (Sun/Venus). Sun/Saturn inclines to discipline and possibly some awkwardness, true. Venus/Pluto for deep feelings of attraction that may stay under wraps. These are all true, for this relationship we're comfortable acknowledging appreciation but due to a certain hurdle Sun/Saturn we choose not to act on our attraction altho it does run deep (venus/pluto) and there is never outright lust between us (lack of mars, imo). Our basic synastry it's full of Mercury, which is also prominent in our synastry mp's.

same rulership aspect,
Sun/Sun sq
Venus/Venus sq, trine
Pluto/Pluto trine
Funny that these are all mentioned in the DW

# of hits,
my h1 (Mars) = /
his h1 = 5
my h2/7 (Venus) = 5
his h2/7 = 9
my h4 (Moon) = 3
his h4 = /
my h5 (Sun) = 6
his h5 = 5
my h8 (Pluto) = 5
his h8 = 4
my h10 (Saturn) = 5
his h10 = 1
Here his personal mars gets more hits than mine, i have been the one more resistant to enter into something here, as he has initiated, but i have declined, his personal venus is strong too. His personal moon isn't touched much here but it is in synastry, however I do feel like the one with more emotional attachment. Sun and pluto here are about equal. My personal saturn is strong compared to his, so reserve/restraint for me. my saturn is also more heavily aspected in synastry. In the end I do love him, but longterm i don't see us as very viable.

posted April 26, 2010 10:16 PM            

Me
Asc-Pisces-Jupiter Neptune( has Mars)
2nd-Taurus- Venus( empty)
4th-Gemini-Mercury( empty)
5th -cancer-Moon( empty)
7th -virgo/Libra- Merc/Venus( has Pluto/Uranus)
8th-Scorpio- Pluto/Mars(has Sun)

Him
Asc- Gemini-Merc( empty)
2nd Cancer-Moon( empty)
4th- Leo- Sun( empty)
5th- virgo/Libra-( Merc/Venus)( has venus, pluto, Merc, Uranus, Sun,Jupiter)
7th- Sag-Jupiter(empty)
8th- Capricorn- Saturn(Mars)

Me to him

1st ruler-
Jupiter
sextile Sun(4th ruler)4 deg
square venus(5th)- 1 deg
sextile jup(7th)-1 deg
opp Asc- 3 deg 43

Neptune
inconj Moon(2nd)-2 deg
sextile Mer(1,5)- 6 deg
opp Asc-7 deg

2nd ruler
Venus
square NN- 0 deg

4th ruler Merc
square NN-0 deg
sextile MC- 4 deg

5th ruler Moon
trine venus(5th) 7 deg
square Jep(7th) 3 deg
sextile Nn- 2 deg

8th ruler
Pluto
conj sun(4th)-7 deg
square Moon(2nd)- 1 deg
conj Merc(1,5th)-1 deg
conj Pluto- 6 deg

Mars
inconj Sun(4th) 0 deg
opp Venus(5th)- 2deg
sextile Saturn(8th) 1 deg
square Asc-0 deg

Him to me

1st ruler
Merc
sextile Sun- 3 deg
trine Mars(8th)-8 deg
sextile Nep(1st)- 0 deg
conj Pluto(8th) 1 deg
trine NN-4 deg

2nd ruler
Moon
inconj Sun- 1 deg
inconj Nep(1st)- 2 deg
square pluto(8)-1 deg
square Asc- 5 deg

4th ruler
Sun
inconj Mars(8th)- 0 deg
sextile Jupiter(1)- 4 deg
trine Saturn- 5 deg
conj Pluto-(8th)-7 deg
trine NN-1 deg 45min

5th ruler
Venus
trine Moon(5th)-7 deg
opp Mars(1)-1 deg
square Jup(1)-1 deg
square Neptune(1)- 8 deg

7th ruler
Jupiter
square Moon(5th)- 3 deg
sextile Jup(1)- 1 deg

8th ruler
saturn
sextile Mars(8) 1 deg
square NN- 0 deg

Pluto conj my Dsc-0 deg
pluto trine my moon- 6 deg

His Pluto, Merc( 1st, 5th ruler), sun(4th ruler), jupiter(7th ruler), uranus are in my 7th house.

His NN conj Asc, my NN trine his Asc.

My venus(7th, 2nd ruler), mercury( 4th, 7th ruler) jupiter, neptune(1st ruler) are in his 7th house and my pluto(8th ruler) and urnaus are in his 5th house.

His moon(2nd ruler) is in my 4th. My moon(5th ruler) is in his 8th.

Lots of confusing aspects with no clear direction. the more aspects I look at the relationship looks more muddled.

wish I had just clear squares or conjunctions that say" impossible relationship" or " made in heaven". LOL

posted April 27, 2010 09:35 AM            

wow! What a deep and profound analysis! I am impressed.

"My Sun is plugging into 2 houses that relate to my identity"
And Sun is already relating to identity in any case! So it has like triple the strength in your chart!

"This jives with me not feeling in synastry sexual connection to Pluto, although I do have a v.close Venus/Pluto square."
Yes, that is interesting. I have a Venus-Pluto-square myself (orb:3 degree), but for me it does strongly relate to my attraction pattern; the only explanation for these differences between us may be that Venus rules your 4th house of soul and home, while Venus is the ruler of my 5th house of "falling in love".

" that in synastry it will almost always have few if any aspects."
That is why I hesitate coming to a final conclusion about a synastry by "only" counting Venus-aspects.
What if Venus isn`t really tied to the relationship houses at all?
I think Venus as a planet will still have a resonance with what you like and your feminity, but that could be directed to other areas of life, too. Not necessarily your partner. And on top of that, probably the ruler of 7th house will trump over about Venus in the "relationship regard"; at least if Venus isn`t tied to the relationship houses in any way.
On the other hand I do not get all gloomy, if a natal Venus is unaspected in synastry, as long as the 7th or 5th house ruler get their fair share of aspects.

Example:
The exboyfriend of my best friend has never been in love with her. At least that is what she said.
And now looking at their chart I see:
Both have a Venus-Mars-conjunction in Libra (not aspecting each other), but his is conjunct Uranus; hers is conjunct Pluto.
It also means that her Venus-Mars-conjunction fell into his (invisible) 12th house, while his Venus-Mars-conjunction fell into her 5th house.

Anyway,
He has almost NO aspects to his Sun, Venus, Mars and Uranus by her planets.
The only one is his Venus opposing her Moon with an orb of 5°06 (which technically is already out of orb).

But Sun, Venus, Mars and Uranus are important planets for him.
Venus rules 1st and 8th house, Mars rules 7th house, Uranus rules 5th house.
So, his 7th and 5th house ruler are ABSOLUTELY unaspected, you could say his 1st and 8th house ruler have a weak opposition to her 1st and 2nd house ruler (Moon), which would be an intense connection, but it is the ONLY aspect with his relationship house-rulers! Very disappointing actually.

But their 10th house rulers were exactly conjunct, falling into her 6th and his 2nd house.
There was a Grand trine of her Moon, her Saturn and his Moon and Neptune.
her Moon rules 1st and 2nd house, her Saturn rules 7th and 8th house, so for HER the relationship houses were somewhat activated. His Moon rules 10th house and his Neptune rules 6th house.
Her Moon fell into his 6th house and her Saturn fell into his 10th house, while his Moon and Neptune fell into her 6th house.
You can definitely see how much emphasis there was on a more pragmatic level!
They assisted each other in every day matters (6th house) and they looked good together (10th house), but at least for him the romantic feelings were very limited. Well, they were practically non existent. Something like that I have never seen before!

They had strong Moon aspects though.
Oh and something that definitely was not nice was his SAturn exactly squaring her Moon, which rules her 1st and 2nd house. Saturn rules his 4th house. The hammer of his disapproval towards her identity was never far, especially if she "risked" expressing her Moon-nature (her Moon is in Aries in 11th house, and he did not like that honest independent original side of her a little bit). If it was not him giving her the "cold treatment", then it was his family, which clearly disapproved of her (he came from a rather wealthy, unemotional family; and especially the mother only cared for what was seen as "appropriate" or what enhanced the social status).

Interestingly, since I am only 2 months younger than him, the same Saturn-Moon-square appears in our friendship, too. But Saturn rules my 2nd house. So in our case it is a square between my 2nd house ruler and her 1st and 2nd house ruler - it is an identity clash rather than anything else, and a clash of taste.
We both like to read, for example, but the books she is reading I wouldn`t wasting a second look on, and she would never read the books I like reading.
Her 2nd house ruler is in Aries in 11th house - psychological realistic, sometimes a bit brutal thrillers are her genre (I do not like the realism of them).
My 2nd house ruler is in Cancer in 8th house - and I love reading historical novels or the dark fantasy genre - vampires and all that stuff.
But in a friendship it is easy to accept that. Besides our 11th house rulers are conjunct, in her 5th and my 10th house.

posted April 27, 2010 09:48 AM            

why do you used exclusively traditional rulers? I am just curious.
Personally I find both to be valid. My Pluto ruling my 11th and 12th house is SOO telling. of course Mars as ruler of 12th house in 12th house conjunct ASC is very telling,t oo. lol

I liked how you personalised the ruler-aspects, like h4 ruler treating as personal Moon. It makes it maybe easier to relate to the aspects, as the planetary aspects are more widely known.

Anyway I think it is important to keep in mind that this personalization is a simplification, as there are subtle differences in interpretation.
SAturn for example can relate to blocks, rejection and all these things, but the 10th house does not. Even though you could of course see the social/ public nature of it as a corset, a restraint.

Also, a 2nd house Venus is different than a 7th house Venus. 2nd house emphasises more our Self, our identity, while 7th house emphasise relating to others.

Interestingly the "house-pairs" come in oppositions from SELF to OTHER (except for Sun and Moon):

1st house ---- 7th house
(Mars ----- Venus)

2nd house ----- 8th house
(Venus ----- Pluto/Mars

4th house ------ 5th house
(Moon - Sun)

And of course 10th house / Saturn

I would keep an eye on the balance here, too. If things get too unbalanced it might indicate onesided feelings.
For example:
if a girl`s 5th, 7th and 8th house ruler is strongly aspecting the guy`s identity objects (especially if it is Sun, Mars, ASC, ruler of 1st house), she might easily fall head over heels in love with him, but if his relationship house rulers are not aspecting her identity objects, he might not feel the same attraction.
In some cases he could get into a relationship nevertheless, cause his identity / Self becomes such a big part of the interaction and it could be flattering him; of course that means that he probably would have all the control in the relationship (which is never a really healthy thing).

2nd house and 4th house do also relate to the identiy / Self and Soul of an individual, BUT they relate to Venus and Moon, and may be very receptive and will develop feelings on their own, too, so it may not be as onesided. Sun, ASC and ruler of 1st house somehow are "just" there.

If looking at houseruler aspects I would also check for aspects to these "identity-objects":
Sun, Moon, ASC, (and Venus for women, and Mars for men).

I guess ruler of 5th or 7th house ocnjunct someone else`s Sun or ASC could be a very potent attraction factor.