posted May 13, 2010 03:07 PM         

But not this time.

The reason for this is that every opposition in the Draconic chart is actually a conjunction.

How so?

The Dracos are calculated by using the NORTH Node.
Oppositions in the Dracos (using the NN) would transform into conjunctions in a Draconic chart, which uses the SOUTH Node - therefore the aspects are ALMOST interchangeable.

BUT I see a difference. Maybe it is a difference.

Maybe oppositions in the Dracos are pointing at karmic events / past life stuff,

posted May 13, 2010 04:17 PM         

Thanks!

posted May 13, 2010 08:03 PM         

just bare with me... I did my best and some of these are a little over 1 degree orb. I'm going to list them all. Look over them and tell me which ones I should take out/not important please. I left out all the "soulmate" asteroids...

Also, I threw in there Jupiter and Merc since Merc is the ruler of my chart and 4th house and Jupiter is the ruler of my 7th!

I'm going to use "N" for Natal and "D" for Drac

Just Major Planets...

Me N Jupiter (ruler of 7th) conj His D Sun
Me N Moon conj His D Neptune
Me N NN conj His D Venus
Me N NN opp His D Pluto
Me D Venus conj His D Neptune
Me D Saturn opp His D Venus
Me D Pluto opp His D Moon and Jupiter
His N Moon conj Me D Venus
His N Jupiter opp Me D Venus
His N Neptune oop Me D Merc (ruler of chart)
His N NN opp Me D Pluto

Planets and Astroids... There is some Natal astroid to natal aspects below too.

Me N Juno conj His N Mars, opp His N Saturn, opp His D Sun, opp His D Aphro, conj his D Psyche
Me D Juno opp His N Merc
His N Juno conj Me D Moon, conj Me N Eros, conj Me D Karma
His D Juno conj Me N Chiron

(a lot of Juno!... geesh!)

Me D Ceres opp His N Mars, His N Saturn, conj His D Sun, conj His D Aphro
His N Ceres conj Me D Amor
His D Ceres opp Me N Saturn, conj Me D IC

Me N Karma conj His N Moon, conj His D Neptune
Me D Karma opp His N Jupiter, opp His N Amor, opp His D Eros
His N Karma conj Me D ASC, opp Me D Mars
His D Karma opp Me N Merc, Me D Eros

Me N Eros opp His N Jup, opp His N Amor, opp His D Eros
His N Eros conj Me N Sun, conj Me N Psyche
His D Eros opp Me D Moon

His N Psyche conj Me N Saturn, conj Me D MC
His D Psyche conj Me D Jupiter

Me N Valentine conj His D Venus, opp His D Pluto
His D Valentine conj Me N Saturn, conj Me D MC

His N Amor conj Me D Uranus, opp Me D Moon
Me D Amor conj HIs D Chiron

Me D Aphro opp His D Merc
His N Aphro conj Me N MC
His D Aphro conj Me N Jupiter (my 7th ruler)

Ughhh! That was a lot of work... turned into a huge project. I think that's it. LOL

posted May 13, 2010 09:40 PM         

Double whammy Sun Trine Venus
also Sun square Merc and Sun sextile Merc
Our Moons are conj
His Saturn conj Jupiter (my 7th house ruler)
His Saturn square my Venus
His Saturn opp my Juno
His Saturn Trine my Merc (1st and 4th house rulers)
My Saturn Trine his Moon
My Saturn opp his Sun
His Mars square my Venus
HIs Mars conj my Juno
His Venus Trine my Neptune
His Neptune conj my Sun
His Jupiter conj my Moon
My MC conj his Sun
My Venus opp his Pluto (pretty exact.. by like 1/2 of a degree)
My Venus conj his Uranus
My Uranus square his Merc
My Pluto Trine his Merc
His Eros conj my Psyche and Sun

I did this from memory... I'm probably forgetting some. LOL

posted May 14, 2010 04:40 AM         

if you say us use 1 degree orb, are you referring to 00°-0°59 or are you taking the orbs from astro.com`s table? Cause on astro.com,w hen they write 1 degree, it is usually 1°00-1°59, which of course makes a difference.

BTW checking Paul Newman and Joanne Woodwards draco comparision for only the major players and Lilith, they have only 7 aspects between 00°00 and 00°59; I checked some more synastries, and found it highly interesting that there were so many BML aspects. I guess I need to investigate that BML further.

Me N Jupiter (ruler of 7th) conj His D Sun
Me N Moon conj His D Neptune
Me N NN conj His D Venus
Me N NN opp His D Pluto
Me D Venus conj His D Neptune
Me D Saturn opp His D Venus
Me D Pluto opp His D Moon and Jupiter
His N Moon conj Me D Venus
His N Jupiter opp Me D Venus
His N Neptune oop Me D Merc (ruler of chart)
His N NN opp Me D Pluto

I think, they are ALL important. I like that there is a bit of Jupiter, that should bring a lot of ease into the intensity signified by the equally strong Pluto.
It also seems fitting that there are so many Venus-aspects.

Actually you can interprete the Draco charts almost as you do with the tropical ones; you only have to keep in mind that the Dracos are happening on a more "internal" level.

From the asteroid aspects I would highlight these.

Me N Juno opp His D Sun, conj his D Psyche
- if oppositions really indicate past life stuff due to the SN connection, this could mean that you have been married in a past life, and that now your relationship turns more psychically.

His N Juno conj Me D Moon, conj Me N Eros, conj Me D Karma
His D Juno conj Me N Chiron
Jeez, these are strong aspects.

Interestingly your Juno aspects his D Sun, his Juno aspects your D Moon - I think this would emphasise the possibility of a past life marriage. With the conjunction here there might be emotional bonds and commitment being tranferred into the NOW.

Me D Ceres His N Saturn, conj His D Sun,
His N Ceres conj Me D Amor
His D Ceres opp Me N Saturn, conj Me D IC
Another DW, this time with Ceres and Saturn; fated nurturing? Maybe sometimes there is a blocking of the expression of caring?

Me D Karma opp His N Amor, opp His D Eros
His N Karma conj Me D ASC,
His D Karma opp Me N Merc, Me D Eros
Karma - Eros DW, probably a very sexual past life relationship.
Karma-ASC seems to indicate unfinished business between you, could be a strong bond.

Me N Eros opp His D Eros
His D Eros opp Me D Moon

His N Psyche conj Me N Saturn, conj Me D MC
His D Psyche conj Me D Jupiter

Me N Valentine conj His D Venus, opp His D Pluto
His D Valentine conj Me N Saturn, conj Me D MC

His N Amor opp Me D Moon
Me D Amor conj HIs D Chiron

Staborgi,

midpoints should work in Draco`s the same as they do in tropical. Just on an internal basis.
Problem is we would get REALLY flooded with informations; before looking at midpoints you should think of a structured approach how to "group" them (if you haven`t already).

posted May 14, 2010 05:08 AM         

Ex.

His Sun on 8 Taurus
his Dr Eros on 7 Scorpio

Her Psyche on 6 Taurus
Her ASC on 8 Scorpio
Her Dr Saturn on 7 Scorpio

IQ had a good article on Dracos here.
http://www.tamsoft.co.in/draconic.html

posted May 14, 2010 07:24 AM         

It seems that 6-7 aspects are "normal" (with an orb of 00°-1°10)

Paul Newman - Joanne Woodward: 7 aspects

my parents (married 36 years): 12 aspects
(including an exact Venus-Mars-conjunction)

Johnny Cash - June Carter: 6 aspects

Brad Pitt - Angelina Jolie: 13 aspects

Laurence Olivier - Vivien Leigh: 6 aspects

Richard Burton - Liz Taylor: 7 aspects

Spencer Tracey - Katherine Hepburn: 6 aspects

But I also notice that there were at least three conjunctions with ASC/ DESC or MC/IC (either natal or Draco) in each of these synastry charts! (with an orb of 2°00)

Newman-Woodward:
his ASC conjunct hr Dr Mars
his DR IC conjunct her Dr BML
his DR ASC conjunct his Dr Mars

Cash-Carter:
his DR ASC conjnct her Dr Venus
his Dr IC conjunct hr Sun
(her birthime is unknown, so there may be more)

Pitt-Jolie:
her Dr ASC conjunct his Lilith
her DR DESC conjunct his Dr Uranus
her DR MC conjunct his DR Lilith
her MC conjunct his Dr Vertex

Olivier-Leigh:
his MC conjunct her Uranus
his Dr Mercury conjunct her Dr Uranus
his Dr Mercury conjunct her DR MC

Burton-Taylor:
his ASC conjunct her Dr Sun
his ASC conjunct her Dr Mercury
her IC conjunct his Dr Lilith
his Dr ASC conjunct her Moon

Tracey-Hepburn:
her Dr ASC conjunct his Dr Mercury
his DR ASC conjunct her mercury
his DR ASC exactly conjunct her DESC!

(Mercury rules the 5th and 8th house for each of them)

my parents:
his DR DESC conjunct her NN
his DR IC conjunct her Dr Mercury
(I am not completely sure about my mum`s exact birthtime, so I left out her angles).

Funny though I also checked the Dracos for a guy and me, who for some reason affected me deeply.

We have 12 aspects from Draco-Draco and Draco-natal, and on top of that a lot of angle-action:

his ASC conjunct my Dr Mars
his DR IC conjunct my Dr MC
(his ASC widely conjuncts my Dr ASC by 3 degrees)
my Dr DESC conjunct his Saturn
my DR DESC conjunct his Vertex
my dr IC conjunct his Dr Sun
my Dr IC conjunct his Dr Moon

posted May 14, 2010 11:44 AM         

I didn't use astro's table... I did it all by hand. That's why it took me so long and that's how I memorize things.

I'll add in Lillith and Vertex a little later. I'm going to take a break today... this project gave me a hasty headache yesterday. LOL But right now I know that my Vertex is opp his Natal Moon, His Lillith is conj my Moon and my Lillith conj his Drac Sun and conj his N Saturn and opp his N Mars.

In the Drac comparison there isn't any conj/opp to my angles except with the astroids. We aren't sure what his birth time is... he knows around what hour is it, so I left out his ASC/MC. But there is probably a chance he has angle aspects to me.

But what is weird I don't really attract people to my Angles... (I looked about 30 charts of people close to me) The people who are extremely close to me have either Sun, Moon or Venus to my MC. My Natal ASC is in Gemini/ IC in Virgo... and it's like I "push away" people that have planets close to those points. All the guys I have had serious relationships with have been Pisces (which the guy I am seeing now is a Pisces and his sun is conj to my MC)... and 2nd are Leos (which my 7th house ruler is there) which his Drac Sun is conj my Natal 7th house ruler. Also my Sun/Moon midpoint is conj my MC/his Natal Sun. Plus also, I have Neptune conj my Sun (and Neptune is the ruler of my MC)... to add to that energy. I have always related more to my MC in Pisces than my Saggie Sun/Gemini ASC (except for that I need to be learning something all the time...Lol)

If anything I definitely attract people to my house rulers- thats one thing I'm sure of.

Also, with Juno we have Tropic- Tropic aspects too...
My Juno conj his Mars, square his Uranus and opp his Saturn. And His Juno is conj my Eros.

Anyway, the only angle aspects we have:

His D Ceres conj My D IC
His N Karma conj my D ASC
His N Psyche conj my D MC
His D Valentine conj My D MC
His N Aphro conj My N MC

Anyway, that's about it for now... my bum hurts from sitting here at my desk. LOL Thanks for helping me again.

posted May 14, 2010 12:11 PM         

Not in the past (like 12 yrs ago) but more now. He was divorced about two years ago and it seems like he is scared to truly express himself. If he does, he takes a step back and trying to rationalize everything with logic. But, also we have some strong Saturn aspect in out Tropical Natal's... so that's going to add to the restriction... for example...

His Saturn conj my Jupiter (my 7th house ruler)
His Saturn square my Venus (my 5th house ruler)
My Natal Saturn conj to His Solstice Venus...
His Saturn Trine my Merc (1st/4th house ruler)
His Saturn Opposed my Juno...
My Saturn opp his Sun
My Saturn trine his Moon

Also... We have My Drac Saturn opp his Drac Venus
and His Drac Saturn Trine to my Drac Venus...

Seems I can't completely get away from the Saturn/Venus Triangle...

Right now I'm having strong Prog/Solar Arc to Natal with Saturn, Venus, MC, and my 7th house ruler to add to the whole Saturn/Venus theme above...

posted May 14, 2010 12:38 PM         

I have the same contradicting relation with him.

Regarding angle aspects: Well, you DO attract people to your angle, just in your case it is MC.
(Do you have any Venus-Saturn constellations?)

I do think it depends a lot at how the planets are scattered in your own chart.
For example I know a guy with Sun and Moon on his MC, Venus in his 11th house, ruler of 7th house in 11th house, ruler of 11th house in 7th house, Uranus in 8th house of committed partnerships, ASC ruler in 9th house, main ruler of DESC in 9th house.

So there is really a LOT going on in his 9th, 10th and 11th house. I am pretty sure he couldn`t care less if someone`s Sun was conjunct his ASC or IC.

As a matter of fact ALL his last ex girlfriends (I know the data of three) had Mars in Sagittarius, pretty close to his DESC-ruler.
His current girlfriend has Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus and Jupiter in Aquarius. lol

I DO attract people with mutable ASC`s, usually Pisces or Sagittarius, and I think the reason for this is that my ASC is in Sagittarius and my draco ASC is in Pisces.
Why do I feel attracted to my own ASC-sign rather than my DESC (Gemini)? I never feel drawn to Gemini people!

Well, I have a big fat 1st house with nearly all my personal planets and points there (Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Neptune, NN); on top of that my 7th house ruler (Mercury) is in Sagittarius conjunct my Sun.
It`s just what I seek and need, I guess.

You really have to take the whole chart into account, but usually people who have tight conjunctions to our angles do not leave us cold; but it doesn`t say that we will love them. Could be the other way round, too, if we do not connect to that particular angle well.

Personally I have always found the houserulers to be more significant anyway. And the most significant aspects for me seem to be houserulers to angles.
I love my 7th house ruler, I love guys whose Mercury makes strong aspects to my chart, especially to my IC or ASC. And of course I am drawn to guys, who have Mercury ruling their angles, too (usually 7th and 4th house).

It is just my personal pattern. You may have a different one.

But I really do not believe it to be a coincidence, that I am so drawn to Pisces ASC and that my Draco ASC is in Pisces, too. Especially since these guys usually have their ASC in the latter degrees, close to my Draco ASC.

There are no coincidences, just synchronicities.

I just happened to notice that the angles featured strongly in Draco aspects, no matter if ASC/DESC or MC/IC.

posted May 14, 2010 01:00 PM         

My DSC is in Sag, plus 4 planets in Sag... I don't have any close Sag friends. Its like I don't need anymore of that energy. LOL BUT My Sag planets are all in the 6th house so it might at to that Pisces attraction...

Also, it's just like with in my Scorpio Venus... I love it in Trine to someone's Sun or Moon... but the conj... not so much. It's like it's too much. I think it's neat how you start learning that some tradition astrology patterns just don't relate to you....

Like, I have Venus conj Uranus... the 4 Pisces men I have dated have their Mars is in Aquarius square my Venus. Traditional Astrology would frown to the Venus square Mars... but I love Mars in Aquarius. LOL

Also, a lot of astrologers don't like all the Saturn aspects between us but both of our natal charts are filled with Saturn- it's like all I know. Plus, I have a lot of Saturn going on with both of my parents too.

Oh, I do have Venus sextile Saturn- less than 2 degree. and my Venus Trines my MC.
He also has Venus Trine Saturn...

which right now... his and mine Progressed to Natal are blowing up... especially with Venus.

I love astrology... it's like a big puzzle where I'm trying to put all the puzzle pieces together.

posted May 14, 2010 01:10 PM         

But even my longest friendships feature that Saturn strongly; even the RED FLAG aspects. For example my best friends Moon is exactly squrae my Saturn. My Moon is widely (5 cdegree) opposing her Saturn. We have been friends for over 20 years now.

Your 1st house ruler is in the 7th house, right?
Then you probably would be drawn to someone, with whom you share Venus-Mars aspects. Yes, even the square. Especially the squrae.
You have a Venus-Mars constellation (ruler of 1st in 7th) natally, you would react to Venus-Mars or Mars-Mars or maybe even Venus-Venus. Potentially. It is still only one single constellation that I assume.

posted May 14, 2010 01:50 PM         

also... with their Mars squaring my Venus their Mars is also oppose my 7th house ruler in Leo.

posted May 14, 2010 02:07 PM         

My mom is one of my best friends...
We have a DW with Saturn opposed Moon, with each other's Moon in the other's 10th house/ Her Moon conj to my MC, and I very wide Saturn conj Venus.

With my best girlfriend...

posted May 14, 2010 02:19 PM         

We have... this should be easier since I know her exact birth time...

Her D Venus conj My N Merc
Her D Sun/DSC conj My N venus
Her D Moon conj My N IC

My D IC conj Her Mars
My D ASC conj her N SN
My D Jupiter conj her N Sun

My D Chiron conj her D Sun
My D Merc opp her D Mars

That's a liittle more "even" compared to with the boy- where there is a lot of Venus.

EDIT:
With my Mom...

Her D Neptune opp My Natal Jupiter
Her N Moon conj my D IC
My D Pluto opp Her N Neptune

posted May 15, 2010 02:16 AM         

I totally get how when you compare Drac to Drac the opposition relates to past life, and the conj is what is brought into this life.

What I'm confused about is went we are comparing Natal to Drac and there is an opposition wouldn't it be related to this life since we are working with the Natal and not just Drac to Drac?

posted May 15, 2010 05:54 AM         

I was actually wondering about the same thing as you did yesterday.
My first (tentative) thought is that, these oppositions would still be tied to the SN (if you made the SN Draco the Draco positions would be 180° from their position, as they are now, and therefore conjunct your natal planet. But that means that there is actually a conjunction from SN Draco to your tropical).

Maybe it means that these Draco planets come from the past to us?
Giving us a message from what was before?

posted May 15, 2010 06:03 AM         

I wonder something about my own Draco chart.
I have Draco Moon conjunct my tropical desc and SN.
Does that mean that my "ideal partner" is someone I have known in a past life as a family relative?
Of course it could also mean that this is what I am to learn, integrate that lunar side into my life, especially in regards with relationships.
Which makes sense as my tropical Moon is unaspected.

I think the difference is:
Draco - Draco indicates connections that are pure past life stuff.

Draco-tropical indicates the past stuff, that is anchored into our present lives.

posted May 15, 2010 09:12 AM         

Their natal NN is at 0 deg Aries.