posted May 16, 2010 02:22 PM         

Your Dr Neptune opposing my Sun
Your Dr Sun opposing my Sun
Your Mercury opposing my Dr Moon
Your Dr ASC conjunct my Venus

posted May 17, 2010 01:44 AM         

well, I think that is true for about everybody.

Racole,

posted May 17, 2010 11:59 AM         

I am not completely sure about interpreting, if Draco and tropical chart are exactly the same.

But Draco`s are calculated by the use of the NN, so every Draco-tropical conjunction has a "nodal" flavour; maybe if tropical and DRaco are the same it means, that every single placement could be seen as being conjunct the NN.
Does that mean it is especially important for these people to find their way in life? Even more so than for other people? And in more allencompassing ways (as it is in regard to EVERY single planet)?
Since the NN is leading us into the future, does it mean that someone with Draco=tropical feel the strong need / or have to cut ties with the past (and I am referring especially to past lives here)? Do they get a chance to make a "fresh new start"?
They probably will have Karma like the rest of us (or is the fact that DRaco=tropical a sign, that there is somehow no significant Karma attached to them? Which could mean either they are "new born souls", or souls, whose past lives are not meant to play a significant role in their present incarnation, or souls who have finished all significant karma?).
The words "clean slate" keep popping up in my mind, at least in regard to this life.
00 Aries is the ultimate starting point.
It`s like maybe DRaco=NN could mean they will start a new, maybe a new cycle?

But as you can see I do have more questions than answers, and I fear my questions are not leading to practical solutions.

posted May 17, 2010 12:35 PM         

I was checking some synastry for Draconic connections:

Draco - tropical: (I believe without anchoring aspects in the tropical, Draco-Draco can sometimes be too subtle to be really felt)

orb: 2°00

HENRY MILLER - ANAIS NIN
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his Dr Saturn opposes her Mercury (1-45)
his Dr Saturn opposes her Saturn (0-28)
his Dr mean Lilith opposes her Mercury (0-19)

- interestingly it was through the relationship with him, that Nin started writing on her own!
And inspired by him she was writing (Mercury) about deeply sexual (Lilith) things.

her Dr Mars opposes his Saturn (0-47)
her Dr Uranus conjunct Neptune (1-03)
her Dr Uranus conjunct his Pluto (0-36)

The last two are pretty generational, and maybe describing how they were considered a very unconventional couple by society.

But all in all they have only 6 interconnections.
No Sun/Moon/ASC/MC/NOdal interconnections, but much with Saturn, implying a mainly karmic connection. Sexual karma to be exact (Mars and Lilith), plus mindoriented / communicative / writing / talking.

JOHNNY CASH - JUNE CARTER
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I expect some more personal connections (especially with Moon or Venus), as they have been married for so long, plus some Chironic ones, as she helped him deal with his addictions.

Her Dr Mercury conjunct his Mean Lilith (0-49)
her Dr Venus conjunct his ASC (2-36) - a bit wide maybe
Dr Venus conjunct his NN (0-45)
her Dr Venus conjunct his true Lilith (0-53)
her Dr Venus conjunct his Antivertex (1-25)
WOW!

Dr Saturn conjunct his Moon (1-43)
her Dr Chiron conjunct his ASC (0-34)
her Dr true Lilith opposing his Chiron (1-44)

oh Jeez, so many connections from her Draco`s, and I couldn`t even use her ASC, MC, Vertex and Moon!!!

Dr Moon opposite her Chiron (1-19)
(she must have healed him on all levels, including his soul)
his Dr IC conjunct her Sun (2-12)

They had 8 aspects within 2 degrees, but including some very personal ones.

posted May 17, 2010 01:00 PM         

his Dr MC conjunct her true Lilith (1-18)
why am I not surprised?

his Dr Uranus conjunct her Sun (1-35)
Who said On and off? lol

his Dr Chiron opposing her Neptune (0-58)
his true Lilith conjunct her Venus (1-37)

her Dr Mars opposing his Venus (0-25)
her Dr Mars conjunct his Saturn (2-01)
her Dr Chiron opposing his Vertex (1-55)

lol so far I would say, even though there may be connections in ANY comparision, those that are tight seem to clearly highlight a theme in the particular relationship. In the Law/Miller case it seems to be about quite obsessive desire again.

Speaking of obsessive love,

let`s have a look at

RICHARD BURTON - LIZ TAYLOR
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her Dr Sun conjunct his ASC (1-37)
her Dr Sun opposing his Moon (1-47)
her Dr Moon conjunct his Sun (1-37)
her Dr Moon conjunct his Saturn (2-13)
her Dr Mercury conjunct his ASC (1-27)
her Dr Mercury opposing his Moon (1-57)
her Dr Saturn opposing his true LIlith (0-54)
her Dr Neptune conjunct his DESC (2-19)
her Dr Neptune conjunct his Moon (1-05)
her Dr Vertex conjunct his NN (0-27)
her Dr Mean Lilith conjunct his Chiron (1-17)
her Dr Mean Lilith opposes his Mars (1-40)

his Dr Sun conjunct her Pluto (1-01)
his Dr Saturn conjunct her Pluto (1-36)
his Dr ASC conjunct her Moon (1-28)
his Dr Venus conjunct her Neptune (1-03)
his Dr Venus opposite her Sun (1-44)
his Dr Venus opposite her Mercury (1-55)
his Dr Mean Lilith conjunct her IC (2-05)

Now THIS one really left me speechless!

posted May 17, 2010 03:42 PM         

of course I believe Draco-Draco is important, too. It`s just different from Draco-tropical.

And how did you find you Sienna is clingy? Did she cling to you too much?

posted May 17, 2010 04:46 PM         

my Dr Jupiter conj his natal sun
My Dr Mars conj his natal sun
my Dr Pluto,vertex,DC conj his natal Asc
my Dr Ceres conj his natal Moon
My Dr Uranus conj his Natal Neptune

His Dr Moon opps my Natal Neptune
his DR moon/Uranus sextile my Natal Pluto
his Dr neptune conj my natal venus
his dr jupiter opps my natal sun,moon,mecury
his Dr BML oops my natal mars

In the Dr Synastry
His moon/Uranus conjuc my Asc
ASC same sign in Gem ( wide orbs)
my Venus conj hisMars. (his mars also conj my IC)
his pluto opps my mars
his mars opps my Jupiter...

ok sorry I will stop there..

posted May 17, 2010 05:09 PM         

actually it is not that difficult to interprete Draco aspects.

It`s the same as the regular synastry, just you relate the Draco placement to the soul / internal level.

"my Dr Jupiter conj his natal sun"
His Self stimulates your soul`s growth inside you, and he could have encouraging influence on your spiritual quest.

"My Dr Mars conj his natal sun"
His Self activates / stimulates your soul`s desire. He could embody (Sun) your soul`s ideal of masculinity.
You have Mars-Jupiter conjunction, a real powerhouse. And he illuminates this powerful core in you and can energize you.
"

"my Dr Pluto,vertex,DC conj his natal Asc"
He (ASC), his essence, his appearance embodies your inner soul-partner (Draco DESC). Through his physical being he helps you open up the gates to your spirituality and through him you may get intense to powerful intensity inside of you.
Maybe sometimes there will shine some internal obsession through, and he might be influenced by t his, too.

"my Dr Ceres conj his natal Moon"
Nurturing and caring. Maybe you have been his mother in a past life?

"My Dr Uranus conj his Natal Neptune"
generational. Maybe good for psychic interaction.

"His Dr Moon opps my Natal Neptune"
You inspire him, and your sensitive, compassionate, spirituality helps him getting access to his deepest emotions.
Maybe sometimes there will be illusions and dreams at play though.

"his Dr neptune conj my natal venus"
Your love inspires his spirituality. Very romantic connection. Soulmatey.

"his dr jupiter opps my natal sun,moon,mecury"
Your personality encourages his soul`s growth (nice DW there!). Maybe he also feels generous and benevolent towards you from a very deep place, and doesn`t even always know himself, why he is so forgiving and lenient.
Very supportive.
Maybe he was a teacher, or guru for you in a past life?

"his Dr BML oops my natal mars"
Very very strong sexual attraction that hits him on a very deep level. Prone to obsessions.

"In the Dr Synastry
His moon/Uranus conjuc my Asc"
emotional understanding, yet unconventional unpredictable attraction in a past life, which now is integrated into both your souls.

"my Venus conj hisMars. (his mars also conj my IC)"
past life passionate love affair. This attraction sort of "rumbles" still deeply within you. Look for conjunctions to tropical planets to see if you find a channel for that attraction.

"his pluto opps my mars"
Wow! Wildly passionate, but probably too hot and intense to handle. Could have had destructive and volatile overtones. Powerstruggles and even physical arguments could have happened.

"his mars opps my Jupiter... "
Gives even more energy. All in all it seems the past life was a pretty wild ride, but maybe lacked loving calmness.

posted May 17, 2010 05:37 PM         

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DRACO - TROPICAL
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his DR ASC conjunct her BML (2-05)
his Dr Venus conjunct her BML (1-46)
his Dr Saturn opposite her True Lilith (0-02)
his Dr Uranus conjunct her Venus (0-18)
his Dr Neptune conjunct her Moon (2-11)
his Dr Vertex conjunct her MC (2-11)
his Dr Vertex conjunct her Pluto (1-56)
his Dr BML conjunct her Moon (0-38)
his Dr Chiron opposite her Sun (0-05)
his Dr Chiron opposite her Mercury (1-02)

her Dr Moon opposite his Neptune (0-48)
her Dr Moon opposite his BML (2-03)
her DR Moon conjunct his DESC (2-19)
her DR IC conjunct his Vertex (0-48)
her Dr Venus opposite his Moon (1-58)
her DR BML conjunct his Saturn (1-11)
her DR BML opposite his Venus (1-15)
her DR true Lilith opposite his Mercury (2-08)

DRACO - DRACO
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his DR ASC conjunct her DR Uranus (1-13)
his DR Jupiter conjunct her Dr Neptun e(0-33)
his DR Neptune conjunct her Dr Uranus (1-54)
his Dr Pluto opposite her Dr true LIlith (0-54)
his Dr True Lilith oppoiste her Dr Chiron (0-31)

posted May 17, 2010 05:56 PM         

Draco - tropical
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his Dr DESC conjunct her Chiron (1-51)
his Dr Mercury opposite her Venus (1-53)
his Dr Venus opposite her BML (0-03)
his Dr Mars opposite her Pluto (0-37
his Dr Jupiter opposite her Pluto (0-18)
his Dr Neptune conjunct her Saturn (2-08)
his Dr Neptune ocnjunct her Vertex (1-23)

her Dr Pluto conjunct his Venus (3-00)
(his Pluto widely opposes her Dr Venus (4-35), too)
her Dr Vertex opposite his Chiron (1-43)
her Dr True Lilith opposite his Neptune (2-00)
her DR DESC conjunct his saturn (0-08)
her Dr Desc conjunct his Vertex (0-51)

DRACO - DRACO
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posted May 17, 2010 06:38 PM         

I dont know about the asteroids can you also help with these.. If u have time.

Dr to Natal
his dr Valentine conj my Asc
his dr sun opps my eros
his dr mercury oops my psyche
his dr union conj my eros

my dr psyche conj his moon
my dr eros trine his MC
my dr union trine his venus
my dr MC conj his sun and mecury (4 orbs) both way... my MC is in the middle. (conj?)

In Natal to Natal I have been trying to find out what these mean..

My Neptune,Destinn,Zeus conj his ASC
then opps his Destinn

My MC/Jupiter conju his Zeus then opps my venus

his Union conj my Mars

my union/eros conj his mercury

posted May 18, 2010 04:34 AM         

(this is more of a general rant than a personal answer to Lioness).

I like to analyse chart comparisions under different perspectives.
But I like it to be a "dialogue".
Lately, though, it feels like I (and others) are starting to become "interpretation-machines".
Like people give some astrological placements, and the "machine" is spitting out the interpretation.

Even though it is possible to do this, I don´t feel it is effective.

I rather like if other people, who are interested in astrology, tried to do an interpretation themselves. And on the basis of that a deeper discussion can evolve.

But like it is now, it is stagnation.

I am probably going to continue with my analysisès, but just wanted to bring this point across.

To compare it to being in school; no pupil learns anything if I spit out the results immediately. I ahve to help them find the way to come to the results on their own.

Of cousre I know I am not a teacher at LL, but I feel often these "interpretation-threads" are onesided and in some cases (not you, Lioness, and not you, Racole) I get the feeling, as if people are just too lazy to think on their own.
and I don´t feel comfortable supporting this.

As I said it is just a rant.
But for all who are seriously interested in learning astrology: there comes a time you have to at least *try* to make an interpretation; and if you`ll make mistakes, you will learn from them. And actually all people, including astrologers, make mistakes from time to time.

and for those who really do not want to think of their own, but just want to have an "automatic interpretation" - there are good reports that can be ordered online.

Having said that I KNOW I will be looking into these aspects anyway, as I like to practise and am curious.

posted May 18, 2010 06:59 AM         

When I visit LL, I'm at work (I work at the computer and don't have one at home), so my comments are always short. There is simply no time to invest in writing here and discussing at length :-(

Kudos to everyone sharing their knowledge.

posted May 18, 2010 08:22 AM         

"There is past life karma between us"
That makes sense. After all I guess there will be Draco-tropical links between your charts, so there will definitely be interpersonal karma.

"He is quite troubled and has immense frustration because he is unable to put his ideas into practice."
Of course ther emay be many other astrological reasons, than the Draco charts.
But maybe someone whose Draco chart equals the natal chart has it as a lesson (Draco chart /NN) to struggle for a strong expression of his natal chart?
Maybe his character is his destiny?
And he has to develop a very own way of expression?

As I mentioned I do not have any idea, if any of this fits, I am just juggling around some thoughts.

Maybe there is an exceptional intensity of experience on both levels, on the soul`s and the more physical ones? (even though we have to consider the nature of the signs of course).
And relationship aspects will always impact both levels in these people?

I found it interesting that of the "soulmate couples" I had checked, two were having the NN close to 00 Aries, Johnny Cash and Liz Taylor.
And both of them had rather dramatic developments in their lives! Big transformations. Did the fact that Draco and tropical were so close to each other, intensify their "lessons"?

posted May 18, 2010 09:18 AM         

I appreciate everyone who wants to learn. But really, I am just learning as the rest of you.
And you can interprete it just like I can. All you have to do, is really doing it.

What I do not appreciate is a certain mental laziness coupled with an expectations of being granted all the interpretations on a silver platter.