posted May 10, 2010 08:58 PM         

Plus... if you know of any links of this within lindaland or any other page would be great!

posted May 11, 2010 08:48 AM         

probably you were lovers in one of your past lifetimes.

here are some links.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/013104.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/013843.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/203057.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/201657.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/019880.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/202834.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/010593.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/019185.html

posted May 12, 2010 11:01 AM         

It relates to Karma and past life connections (through the SN), but also represents connections, which are important for your present lifepath (NN).

Since the nodal chart is a LUNAR based chart you can see the emotional or Soul-connections here.
Those connections that get under the surface of a more obvious attraction.

Diandra posted a good thread on this, too.

I am using the keywords "karma / past life" and "soul level" to approach these kind of charts.

If you start interpreting Draco charts, concentrate on conjunctions and oppositions.

Draco Venus conjunct NN seems to be a very important aspects, especially since the Draco chart itself has NODAL flavour! There seems to be an interlink between two lifepaths, and the link seems to be through Venus, either in a romantic way or maybe as a creative collaboration.

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/018318.html

EDIT:

I once thought about a system to interprete Draco aspects. Maybe that helps a bit.

"1. List all the Draco - Draco aspects, which would reflect the past life experiences.

2. Take those Draco-Draco aspects and see, if they trigger any tropical planets or asteroids by conjunction or opposition. Those are the "bridges" from past to present, and you can see how the present is influenced by the past.

3. See, what tropical -t ropical aspects are existent.

So you can see what is underneath the obvious tropical synastry.

Of course you will probably not find all THAT many aspects, where there is a connection on all three levels, but some may be there.

I take Paul and me as an example.

1. Draco - Draco
His Draco Venus on 18° Sagittarius is exactly opposite my Draco Lilith on 18° Gemini.

2. My Draco Lilith is conjunct my tropical Karma on 16° Gemini, which means that his Draco Venus is also opposite my tropical Karma.

3. He doesn`t have any planets or asteroids in the tropical on these degrees in Gemini or Sagittarius.
So there is no tropical - tropical aspect, that`s being triggered.

This is probably an example for some kind of a one sided aspect.

The D-Venus opposite D-Lilith would indicate some very strong attraction but also some issues with power, femininity, equality and truthfulness in our past.
Maybe a fatal attraction in a past life.

However this ONLY connects to my Karma, so I seem to be very aware of the existence of this aspect, while he is not (none of his tropical planets are triggered). And yet, his love (Draco Venus) is part of my Karma (my tropical karma); of course my encounter with Lilith is also part of my Karma, and I probably have to adress my feelings towards feminity, something that might have been triggered through my memory of a past life love with him.
But this time around I am alone in this. It doesn`t touch his conscious life; of course it`s till imprinted in his subconsciousness, though.

Or another example:

1. His Draco Psyche conjunct my Draco Sun.

2. His Draco Psyche is conjunct his own tropical Sun. My Draco Sun is conjunct my own tropical Chiron.
Of course this means that His Draco Psyche is (widely) conjunct my tropical Chiron, and his tropical Sun is conjunct my Draco Sun.

3. The tropical aspect that exists is:
His Sun conjunct my Chiron

So underneath our apparent Sun-Chiron-conjunction there`s also still a Psyche-Sun-conjunctionw orking (which is also an Osiris-Sun-conjunction, for his Psyche is conjunct his Osiris).

Possible interpretation:

1. His Draco Psyche and Draco Osiris conjunct my Draco Sun:
In a past life he was a true soulmate to me (Osiris as the sign of the best soulmate in your incarnation), who was very sensitive to me and very much in tune with me.
Of course some of this "telepathy" still lingers on in the subconsciousness.

2. However, now we can have a look what of this past experience is being carried into the present.

The Draco Osiris and Draco Psyche are conjunct his tropical Sun - so I think, this experience has formed his personality very much.

In my case it`s Draco Sun conjunct my Chiron. For some reason the personality I had in the past life has caused some deep wound in me and filled me with insecurity. Maybe the memory of that life is the wound?

His Draco Psyche conjunct my tropical Chiron is a very fragile vulnerable placement, as I sense it.
Somehow his past sensitivity towards me led to my present wound.

On the other hand my Draco Sun is conjunct his tropical Sun. SEems like we share some common traits, or let`s say something of my past personality is very similiar to his present personality, which could easily lead to a strong, too strong?, identification with each other (we have quite a lot of these same planets-connection).

3. This mixing of past and present leads to the Sun-Chiron-conjunction.
He, his creative expression and personality has become the walking image (Sun) of my wound, at least as I see it.
It`s a difficult aspect, especially since all of this is squared by my SAturn. Seems I feel a lot of karmic pain,w hich of course only leads to my spiritual growth and is for the best of my personal development.

But underneath all of this "growth-pain" there is a very delicate, sensitive, telephatic connection.
Maybe it was too good and somehow this experience of being understood so completely as only a Psyche can do led to the development of too high expectations in this life,w hich cannot be fulfilled.
And the realization and acceptance of that "un-fulfillment" maybe is the true root of my wound and of course also of my healing.

I dunno, that was my idea of an interpretation. It sounds right to me. "

posted May 12, 2010 05:55 PM         

I started looking at the asteroids and it's too much... I cut down the aspects (since before I was doing conj, opp, sqaure and trine- trine if there was a pattern forming) and just with the conj and opp within 1 degree orb it's still a lot. LOL.

posted May 12, 2010 08:34 PM         

29 degrees Mutable I have...

Natal AC- Gemini
Natal Mars- Sag
Natal Amor- Pisces
Draco Sun- Gemini
Draco Valentine- Pisces
Draco Psyche- Gemini

posted May 13, 2010 01:23 AM         

another thing that popped up with the chart I'm comparing to mine to that I thought was interesting is that we have a double whammy with Draco pluto conjunct Natal South Node... (which what I have noted above their Draco Venus is conj my Natal NN as well)

posted May 13, 2010 05:44 AM         

The Draco transits and aspects will be felt INTERNALLY; and it will be the Draco Person who feels them on a deep soullevel; sometimes the other person is not even aware of how much they affect the Draco person, but it depends on the other person`s sensitivity, too.

Draco Pluto conjunct SN DW seems to be a strong indicator of a very intense relationship in the past. Probably there were powerplays going on there, too, death / abuse of power / Manipulation is a possibility as well as more positive manifestations like intense passions and transformations.
But no matter what it was it probably has left both souls "marked".
Maybe something of the old obsession "breathes" through this life, too, but with a feeling that it should be left in the past, where it belongs.

Pluto makes for some very strong ties, which are almost impossible to break even in other times.

If one`s NN is 00 Aries, they will be very close to their soul and soul`s purpose. Natal synastry will maybe be even stronger for them, as it always touches them deep in their souls, too.

EDIT:
Thinking about the Draco Pluto on SN and Draco Venus on NN - this person has a Venus-Pluto-opposition natally right?
Maybe it means that the nodal person can help them channeling more obsessive feelings (Pluto) in truely loving ones (Venus)?
Maybe it is part of the NN person`s lifepath to bring the other person into contact with their inner love-nature?

EDIT 2:
I suggest to first only looking at the major planets.

After that you can consider asteroids, but concentrate on:

Karma, Juno, ceres, Amor, Valentine, Eros, Psyche and maybe Aphrodite first (those seem to be easier to access for most people, and even seem to impact ordinary life).

The others I would look at for soulmate couples like
Pluto - Proserpina
Zeus - Hera
Osiris - Isis
(Siva - Kaali)

But don`t clutter your Draco charts too much, or everything willa spect everything.
Usually the strongest deepest connections will show basic aspects between Sun, Moon, ASC, IC and the nodal axis.
If it is romantic or sexual, look for Venus and Mars aspecting these. And for some reason Saturn and Pluto play a role, too.

Access these first.

After that of course asteroids can come into play and refine the picture
Eros-Psyche acting as a refined model of Venus and Mars
Ceres acting like a Moon aspect
Aphrodite being a sexualized Venus
Amor acting as an unconditional love asteroid, often platonic
Valentine being much about romantic love
Juno being partnershiporiented and passionate

I lately also got interested in Black Moon Lilith - I found it to deliver interesting results. If you look for compulsive, uncontrollable, "Taboo" attractions you might find clues here.

But really FIRST look at the basic aspects, see if there is a common ground.

posted May 13, 2010 11:37 AM         

We are having patterns with Saturn, Neptune, Venus, Juno, Moons, MC, Psyche, Valentine, Eros, Osiris and 7th house rulers. I'm having issues of making aspect pictures...as in, say there is a Drac- Drac aspect and then there are all these Natal/Drac planets connected to it... which I have a couple that have like 4-10 planets aspecting off that one main aspect. Maybe I should just start by listing some aspects and maybe you can look at which ones are important so that I can take further.

You were listing the Soulmate Astroids and I couldn't help to notice that him and I , in our Natals, have Psyche conj Eros (me being Psyche and him being Eros)... does that pairing count too?

EDIT:: Well, we have another Soulmate pairing in our Drac... My Isis and his Osiris. (is it normal to have a couple of these soulmate parings?)

posted May 13, 2010 11:50 AM         

Also there is a pattern with the MC too. I always hear a lot of talk about attracting people to your ASC but none of my close relationships have close connections with the ASC. The people close to me either have their Sun, Moon or Venus conj my MC. But, anyway, there are a lot of Drac MC coming into play. We don't know his exact birth time but we know what hour it's close to, so, I wouldn't be surprised if his MC has a lot of aspects too...

posted May 13, 2010 02:36 PM         

But sometimes it can happen that these soulmate pairings happen, even if people are not that tightly connected. That is the reason I think they should be tied to the basic planets and axis.

posted May 13, 2010 02:40 PM         

The Isis/Osiris conj is opposite our Sun/Ven conj in our composite.

posted May 13, 2010 02:44 PM         

On the other hand I wouldn´t want to limit ourselves too much, just in case we ignore some meaningful things (just because we feel there are too many informations).

Personally I believe that the tightest links will be significant (I am talking about 0-1 degree aspects here!), especially (or maybe only?) if they are tight to the basic planets.

EDIT:
I am using a 2 degree orb for Draco charts, personally. But I think a major theme will be indicated by:

max. 2 degrees for conjunctions
max. 1 degree for other main aspects
Repeated aspects.

posted May 13, 2010 03:00 PM         

are you only considering conjunction and opposition?

Well, I am off to compare some Draconics now. I am going to use only:

Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, uranus, Neptune, Pluto, NN, ASC, IC, Vertex and Lilith / True Lilith.

I will be sticking to your 1 degree orb.