posted May 21, 2010 02:16 PM         

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Let`s say, someone has a strong aspect in Draco`s (as well as in tropical), for example Moon-Pluto-conjunction, but let`s say this Draco conjunction has NO aspects to one`s own tropical, and then someone comes along putting their tropical Sun and ASC on that Draco connection, couldn`t that leave to some sort of "dependancy" for the Draco person?
Like they can only FEEL that part of themselves with the tropical person, and let`s say they really CRAVE for that experience, couldn`t that evoke the feeling of a strong NEED for the other person?

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I think the Draco person does indeed *consciously* crave the Trop person. I don't think they consciously feel the Draco part of themselves doing the craving.

For the Draco person, I'm thinking of the way it feels when someone contacts our Nodes. We, as the Node person, feel the planet person's importance. They mean so much to us. When with them, time pauses - our personality pauses - and we're pushed to a deeper level of ourselves. We crave them because they bring us to our spiritual core.

But what they're specifically touching in there, we don't really *feel*. We feel their planet touching us. We'll feel that Venus or Sun of theirs for sure and through that part of them that spiritual part of ourselves is turned on. (The way that "activation" feels though is spiritual, not personality based.)

I need to study my own Draco-Trop synasty more methodically before I'll feel like I truly grasp how this works. As of now, I think the Draco person strongly craves the Trop person. I think the Trop person, through their own Trop planet, feels the spiritual dimension of the Draco person. I'm unsure if they feel the Draco person's *specific* planet, although from what I've looked at so far that seems to be the case.

But how could that be? I think it's because they feel the way their Trop planet is being affected. In Trop-Trop synastry, we say that someone's Mars on our Venus "martializes" our Venus. We feel that Mars of theirs not just through the way they express their Mars (observation on our part), but through how their Mars impacts our own being (a subjective awareness of interpenetration). So in Draco-Trop synastry, if I'm the Venus person my Venus is getting martialized by the Draco person's Mars. Through that energy exchange, I'm feeling their Draco Mars and am aware on the tropical level of who their Mars is on a spiritual level.

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How would you interprete my Draco Pluto and Draco MC being on someone`s tropical Venus?

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I'd say from your perspective it's like having that person's Venus cnj your NN. His Venus would be so important to you. It's through that part of him that you connect with your spiritual self. That experience could transform you on a spiritual level, which will then result in your tropical Pluto and MC changing to reflect that inner transformation.

posted May 21, 2010 02:25 PM         

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2. people are not only reacting to the outward manifestations of each other, but also by some kind of "energetic pattern", that every person has; not just the conscious energies, but also those things that rest in the subconsciousness.

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I strongly believe this. I've been places, man.

posted May 21, 2010 02:46 PM         

I would expect us to directly feel our Tropical and to know our Draconic indirectly through how it impacts our Trop.

I'm just going to list my narrow aspects now, but I do plan on interpreting them eventually. (I included some squares although I usually look at just cnj/opp.)

my t VENUS opp my d SUN
my t VENUS cnj my d VERTEX
my t VENUS square my d BML(mean)

my t MC cnj my d VENUS
my t JUPITER cnj my d IC

my t NODES square my d AC-DC
my t MARS square my d CHIRON

my t KARMA cnj my d EROS

my t Part of MARRIAGE and EROS/PSYCHE mp cnj my d JUNO
my t MERCURY square my d JUNO

my t BML(true) opp my d MOON
my t BML(true) cnj my d PSYCHE
my t SUN/MOON mp cnj my d BML(true) (wide for a mp at almost 1*30)

my t PLUTO opp my d SATURN
my t SATURN cnj my d Part of FORTUNE

posted May 23, 2010 05:29 AM         

aspects with * are under 1 degree

T Sun and t Mercury square D Mars**
T Sun square d ASC*
T Mercury square D ASC

T Venus opposite D Juno*
T Mars opposes D Moon

T Neptune opposes D Moon
T Pluto conjunct D Karma
T Pluto opposes D Venus/Mars-mp
T SN conjunct D Moon

T DESC conjunct D Moon*
T MC conjunct D Karma*
T PoF opposes D Sun and D Mercury**
T Vertex conjunct D IC

T mean BML conjunct D Uranus
T karma conjunct D mean BML and D Psyche
T BML opposes D Eros / Psyche
T Juno conjunct D Valentine*
T Psyche conjunct D Karma
T Eros/Psyche mp opposes d Saturn*

posted May 23, 2010 05:36 AM         

"I don't think they consciously feel the Draco part of themselves doing the craving."
So some sort of pull, yet you don`t realize (as the Draco person) what is pulling you in?
Yet I think it can be seen through the astrology, what it is that pulls you near (as indicated in the Draco planet), just you may not conscously feel it.

"'d say from your perspective it's like having that person's Venus cnj your NN. His Venus would be so important to you. It's through that part of him that you connect with your spiritual self. That experience could transform you on a spiritual level, which will then result in your tropical Pluto and MC changing to reflect that inner transformation."
Yes that makes very much sense. I wonder how does the tropical person feel?
Would he see me through "Venusian eyes"?

"I'm wondering if oppositions to our Draco planets feel more like a cnj with our SN"
I am convinced of it.

"Maybe instead they're teaching the Trop person or interacting with the Trop person in a way they wanted to/liked to in the past? I'm unsure, just thinking outloud."
Yes, that makes sense. Maybe people actually feel more comfortable with oppositions to their Draco planets? As the placements symbolize something they have been to before, and it feels familiar to them?
Would we be more conscious of these placements?

Yet, I must say in my case, I strongly relate to my Draconic placements. But i think it might be this way, because they are repeated in my tropical, too.

Example:
Draco Mars and ASC in Pisces.
in tropical Mars is in 12th house conjunct Neptune, with Neptune on the ASC.

Sun, Mercury and Venus in Aries in Draco.
In tropical they are in the 1st house.

posted May 24, 2010 02:25 PM         

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So some sort of pull, yet you don`t realize (as the Draco person) what is pulling you in?

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Yes, I think that's it.

But it's now occurring to me that it could be the Draco person materializing the Trop person!

Let's say the Draco is our Higher Self. When that higher self is ready to be made consciously present to our lower self, our Draco Self pulls in someone whose Trop self touches us there.

Like that example I gave earlier about my d SATURN on his T NN. Shortly before the event, I'd been thinking a lot about how I really wanted to change a certain part of myself. I wanted a particular type of discomfort and guilt to end. What I wanted was a stronger Saturn - a *happy* acceptance of my limits in relationships.

Then, only DAYS after focusing my thoughts on this, the event happened. While dealing with it I finally *completely* resolved that issue of mine.

So it's like my Higher Self wanted to deal with Saturn, so it brought someone in my life to go straight to that part of me.

To top it all off, this happened during my Saturn Return!

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I wonder how does the tropical person feel? Would he see me through "Venusian eyes"?

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Yes, I think he would experience your *Draco* through his Trop Venus.

Your Trop-Trop synastry will describe how he experiences you as a personality. If, on that level, you mostly activate his Mars, then he would perceive your personality through Mars-eyes.

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Maybe people actually feel more comfortable with oppositions to their Draco planets? As the placements symbolize something they have been to before, and it feels familiar to them?
Would we be more conscious of these placements?

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I think that could be true!

I recently saw that my SO has his Draconic Isis opp his natal "Jane" (by only a minute!). "Jane" is in his 5th house and cnj his PoM and Mars. My Juno is cnj his Jane.

I don't feel right putting the contents of another person's heart here, but I will say that astro symbolism perfectly describes how he feels, even from the start.

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Yet, I must say in my case, I strongly relate to my Draconic placements. But i think it might be this way, because they are repeated in my tropical, too.

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Yes, I think there would have to be a repetition on the Trop level for the Draco level to be something we experience as our personality.

My Draco Sun and Moon are in Cancer and Pisces, respectively.

In my Tropical, my SN is in my 4th house (Cancer affinity) in Pisces.

posted May 25, 2010 12:02 AM         

When we finally did connect, I felt an immediate trust, and comfort with him. I felt the need to touch him, and be near him.. Even though he's not my type...

Once we did talk we soon realized how our life's have been intertwined in so many different levels. I felt as if I was seeing me, in him..

I believe he is a soulmate, but a learning soulmate, not a long time lover soulmate.

I wanted you to see the Draconic chart, Im not asking for interpretation, just wanted you to see it...