posted August 11, 2010 06:43 PM            

I ditto what Geo said Your Great thanks for all your help

posted August 11, 2010 07:05 PM            

Geo

posted August 11, 2010 07:40 PM            

Thank you for taking the time to do that for me... I really do appreciate it... If there's something I could ever help you with please feel free to ask... hugzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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posted August 11, 2010 08:18 PM            

My first attempt at adjusting the chart gives me a birth time of 9:53 or 9:54 PM, both give an ASC of 6 degrees Aries. There are 2 reasons for this. The earliest event you remember is a geographic relocation occuring in February of 1979. I set the Solar Arc chart for February 1st, even though I don't know what time of the month you moved. With the time adjustment it puts Solar Arc Pluto on your Descendant suggesting strong pressures to move and that it has something to do with a relationship - either for you or your mother.

Also, 2 of the slow moving outer planets are aspecting your ASC. They might be classified as minor aspects, but they are very strong and stressful, stressful enough to add more pressure needed for the relocation/move.

Transiting Uranus is located at 20 degrees Scorpio. This is a SESQUIQUADRATE to your ASC.

Transiting Pluto is located at 19 degrees Libra. This is a QUINDECILE to your ASC. The Quindecile is a strong, obsessive energy aspect.

Because of the placement of transiting Uranus, I would say that there was something very intense stimulating your mother to make this move. Uranus, at this point has already transited your Sun-Moon conjunction by square which is very powerful and strongly suggests your mother being psychologically moved by something, only you and your mother would be able to answer what it was. It really doesn't matter what it was at this point, it just matters that we see it symbolically and that it was enough for you/her to seek independence in a very strong way.

Now, this time may not be perfect, everything else would have to be tested, especially since Uranus and Pluto were about to go retrograde in that month taking a little of the pressure off or CAUSING more pressure, thus queing me to consider a little bit of an earlier time, perhaps a minute or 2 earlier giving a birth ASC of 5 degrees Aries or the late minutes of 4 degrees Aries. I have a feeling that we are not that far off, especially considering the latest activities having to do with your husband being "sent away" permanently around May when transiting Saturn was conjunct your Descendant if your ASC-DESC Axis happens to be 5 degrees Aries/Libra, it would be a perfect symbolism for an ending and a geographic relocation for your partner/husband.

That's all I can do, it already took a lot of time, but I think WingedLeo can really take it from here.

posted August 11, 2010 08:33 PM            

You dont find it odd that the doctors would put down a time of birth at 13 mins prior to my birth. Interesting.... Knowing my mom she probably went to a stoned hippy doctor... LOL... My mom is a Libra Sun,Sag Moon, Pisces Asc...

posted August 11, 2010 08:44 PM            

- February 1979: moved to California

Solar Arc MC oppose Venus

- May 12, 1992: gave birth to 1st child

Solar Arc MC square Uranus

- April 14, 1994: Started a job

Solar Arc Neptune square ASC

- January 3, 2000: Started a new job
- July 22, 2000: got married
- December 28, 2000: offered promotion

Solar Arc Mars oppose ASC

- April 23, 2002: gave birth to 2nd child

Tr. Neptune semisquare MC

- February 16, 2004: promoted/started a job

Tr. Pluto square ASC

- May 30, 2008: husband was taken away temporarily

Tr. Uranus conjunct ASC

- February 3, 2009: husband was permanently taken away

Tr. Saturn oppose ASC

- December 06, 2009: Minor surgery on your leg for bacteria

Solar Arc Venus sesquiquadrate ASC
Solar Arc Sun oppose ASC

But I think the symbology doesn't fit well.

posted August 11, 2010 09:41 PM            

- February 1979: moved to California

Solar Arc Moon sesquiquadrate ASC (Moon rules 4th)

Solar Arc Pluto oppose ASC

- May 12, 1992: gave birth to 1st child

Solar Arc Saturn square ASC

Solar Arc ASC square T. Node

- April 14, 1994: Started a job

Nothing

- January 3, 2000: Started a new job

Solar Arc ASC semisquare Saturn (Saturn rules 10th)

- July 22, 2000: got married
- December 28, 2000: offered promotion

Tr. Uranus semisquare MC

*Natal Uranus is in the 7th

- April 23, 2002: gave birth to 2nd child

Nothing

- February 16, 2004: promoted/started a job

Tr. Saturn square ASC (Saturn rules 10th)

Tr. Saturn oppose MC

- May 30, 2008: husband was taken away temporarily

Solar Arc Neptune square ASC (a little late)

- February 3, 2009: husband was permanently taken away

Tr. Pluto conjunct MC

- December 06, 2009: Minor surgery on your leg for bacteria

Nothing

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What do you think Geo?

posted August 11, 2010 09:56 PM            

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Winged Leo... I admire your dedication... Thank you!! I do appreciate all the effort you have put in your FAB!.. Please get some well deserved rest...

PS... The surgery date was Nov 6, Not Dec..

Ok so this time doesnt fit either...
Can you try 9:35 as IZO suggested.. Please... I know tomorrow .... I will also think about more dates...

posted August 11, 2010 10:12 PM            

Thank you very much for your compliments. I really appreciate them.

Lioness,

Pluto hard aspecting your angles alone could indicate the introversion. Pluto is associated with secrecy,subtlety,and privacy. It's the modern ruler of Scorpio which is a sign associated with introversion. Therefore, Pluto aspecting all your angles is like having all your angles in Scorpio.

Your social planet, Venus is in Cancer and it is conjunct the Imum Coeli which is the very bottom of the chart and associate with the domestic environment,unconscious. That could suggest introversion, and Pluto squares that Venus-Imum Coeli conjunction which puts more emphasis on that introversion.

All your personal planets (Sun,Moon,Mercury,Venus,Mars) are located in the Northern hemisphere which the bottom of the chart. That can indicate strong tendency to introversion.

Your Mercury is retrograde,and that could factor into introversion.

Your Jupiter is retrograde. Jupiter is the planet of expansion. That could be a factor in introversion too. I believe that retrograde Mercury is more so.

You have Moon semisquare Pluto with 5 minutes of arc. Semisquare is more about milder friction. With it being a very narrow orbed aspect, it can be just as strong as a square. You also have Moon parallel Pluto with 8 minutes of arc. Therefore you have Moon-Pluto bilevel. Moon-Pluto aspect is like having Moon in Scorpio. Pluto is modern ruler of Scorpio. This can indicate the emotional intensity and being very attuned to subtleties. It can an emotional need for privacy and secrecy. These aspects could factor into the introversion.

There are also the Makemake influences. With Makemake orbiting beyond Neptune and even beyond Pluto, it is also very subtle object.

Makemake is named after Easter Island's Rapanui Fertility Creation God. It can be associated with fertility,creativity. Its Heliocentric Node is in Gemini,and so it can be involved in communications. Its Perihelion (the closest point of an objects to the Sun) is in Aries,and so it can be about competitiveness. The Rapanui had a Birdman competition which involved carrying an egg without breaking. It was a competition related to Makemake.
Rapanui were Polynesian people.

here is some more info on Makemake: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makemake_%28dwarf_planet%29

transneptunian dwarf planets,dwarf planet candidates are involved in evolutionary intensified lessons and experiences.
Evolutionary suggests that emotional and spiritual crisis induced by the presence and passage of these bodies intends to enhance the insight, inspiration, creativity and consciousness of a person on Earth and through events on Earth containing these bodies in significant locations.

It means that this energy involves lessons,experiences that can really make or break you. The hard aspects tend to indicate the possibility of experiencing some type of trauma which may be trying to the spirit but can eventually help you to grow spiritually. What doesn't kill you can make you stronger is something that can be applied the transneptunian dwarf planets,transneptunian dwarf planet candidates.

They are highly metaphysical energies that involve insight,inspiration,and creativity that should be use not just for your benefit but for the benefit of others. These energies are about about going well beyond yourself and tapping into that mass consciousness.

There is a potential to really make a mark on the world and effect people on a grand scale

This especially goes for the heliocentric,geocentric nodes of these objects. They move much slower than the objects themselves, and so they are associated with many generations compared to the objects.

I got your birthdata from this thread. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/204026.html

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 11, 2010 10:33 PM            

When I got kicked out of school I was aleast 6 months behind in credits. Once kicked out.. I decided to straighten up... All of 90.. I worked very hard to catch up to my credits, and I graduated a month early..

posted August 11, 2010 11:41 PM            

hey are highly metaphysical energies that involve insight,inspiration,and creativity that should be use not just for your benefit but for the benefit of others. These energies are about about going well beyond yourself and tapping into that mass consciousness.
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There is a potential to really make a mark on the world and effect people on a grand scale
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I do know this, and I know its through communication also... Only It's in conflict .. Why am I so introverted if I can effect people on a grand scale...

How it differs is people come into my life one at a time... and I get obsessed with speaking to these people. ( I think they do also, only I cant say for sure) We will talk alot, until one day either they give me advice or I give them advice.. Then all of a sudden that don't want any more contact with me.... I have even had people tell me that they just cant talk to me anymore because of the emotions they feel around me or that I cause alot of confusion with in themselves..

This is a very private and secret aspect of my life, that I never speak about to anyone..

Once that person tells me they can't talk to me anymore.. I feel soooo bad, as if I lost a best friend of 20 years... I cry all night... But I get up go to work, and act like nothing... I dont speak of it again.

Then I spend about a week in solitude... During this time I cant be around people... I go to work and do what I have to do, but I stay to myself...
Once I start to feel better, I will come out of my shell, and be a little more social.

Then within a few weeks someone else comes along and it starts all over again...

posted August 12, 2010 12:00 AM            

It's probably that ultrasensitivity that leads you to be easily overstimulated by your environment.

This is true for me. Like you, I have a very strong transneptunian chart. I am indeed very introverted. I am well aware that I can effect people on a grand scale,and that's why I realized my life purpose as a neurodiversity advocate and finally started a non profit neurodiversity organization.

I have numerous things that indicate introversion (all my big 3 are in introverted signs, all my personal planets except Mars are in introverted signs, all of my planets except for Saturn are in the northern hemisphere, I have a very strong Neptune influence,I have a very strong Saturn influence,and I have a very strong Transneptunian influence).

Many public figures are introverts. A lot of people in show business have introverted personalities. Many celebrities want privacy and want to be left alone. Many of them are actually even shy and have insecurities. I have read about Belinda Carlisle,and she obviously had her insecurities. Michael Jackson definitely had his too.

Seeking the limelight and wanting to make a big difference in the world doesn't rule out introversion.

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 12, 2010 12:23 AM            

I was looking at the Sabian Symbols
Here is the one for MakeMake and Moon 16LEO
(both are at 15)

PHASE 136 (LEO 16°): THE STORM ENDED, ALL NATURE REJOICES IN BRILLIANT SUNSHINE.

KEYNOTE: The surge of life and love after a major crisis.

The symbol speaks clearly for itself. How brilliant the light after the long "night of the soul"! The battered but unconquered consciousness finds itself exalted in the marriage of sunbeams and rising sap. This indeed is "Release" — light and life singing in the cleansed and refreshed mind, flooded for a while by the waters of feeling.

posted August 12, 2010 02:21 AM            

Her Ascendant is also strongly modified by Venus squaring it with 1'21 orb. That's affinity with a Taurus Ascendant and Libra Ascendant.

She has Neptune trine Ascendant with 1'32 orb,and that aspect has affinity with Pisces Ascendant. In Right Ascension (equatorial longitude), she has Neptune trine Ascendant with only 7 minutes of arc.

Her Ascendant is modified by a sesquiquadrate Makemake with only 1 minute of arc.

Her Ascendant is strongly modified by 4 objects including 2 planets and 2 dwarf planets. Of course, the approach to life and how she interacts with others is going to be different from a person that has an unaspected Aries Ascendant.

She is not going to act like a typical Aries Ascendant with her Ascendant having those modifications.

Of course,her chart has numerous things that point to introversion like Pluto making hard aspects to all her angles and all her personal planets in the bottom half of the chart.

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 12, 2010 09:02 AM            

Now it is up to you Lioness, to introspect your thought process. Every time you were given an instruction or command, did you feel with 100% certainty that you were better than your supervisor or boss?

Lets say I give you 1000 bucks suddenly,
and Apple Stock has fallen 20%, local real estate crashed by 30% and Silver Futures have fallen 10%. Where will your money go? I need your honest instant response, even if it was "WTF is he asking me about Apple and futures trading for?".

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http://tamsoft.co.in/articles.html

posted August 12, 2010 11:12 AM            

I would think IDK anything about stocks. Im not going to risk loosing that money, so I would pocket the money. Probably put some on bills, some on clothes for me and the kids and I would put some in my saving acct..
Plus stocks are not a for sure thing... Its a risky venture. I worry that the market would crash and I would loose the money.
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As for the boss part...I dont feel Im better than my boss, but I luv my boss he's the best a gemini!
When I dont agree with him, I usually dont say I disagree (but sometimes I will) usually what I do, is I just do what works and explain later why I did it that way.

posted August 12, 2010 11:24 AM            

The aspects don't change the Ascendant's expression but it does give it flavor. It adds more traits to the Ascendant's description.

"Now it is up to you Lioness, to introspect your thought process. Every time you were given an instruction or command, did you feel with 100% certainty that you were better than your supervisor or boss?"

The question that you asked doesn't necessarily pertain to only Aries. Anybody that's nonconformist,unconventional,egotistical,and/or have problems with authority would say "Yes" to that question.

I wouldn't be surprised that she has problems with authority figures with her Sun exactly conjunct the Saturn/Uranus midpoint which indicates the ego,self expression combine with the integration of structure,discipline and independence,unconventionality. Saturn/Uranus midpoint is said to be Chiron-sensitive too. That means that aspects to Saturn/Uranus midpoint are like aspects to Chiron. Chiron is the centaur that links the orbits of Saturn and Uranus. Chiron is known as the maverick.

Her Pluto is unusually very strong with her Pluto oppose/conjunct the Ascendant/Descendant and square Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis less than 1 degree. She's highly nonconformist with that configuration. Because of its highly elliptical,eccentric orbit,its size,and being icy,rock, Pluto is quite the nonconformist compared to the planets including Uranus.

Of course, she is also very strong in Makemake energy. Makemake is transneptunian dwarf planet like Pluto. It orbits beyond Pluto. It's more otherworldly.

I have interpreted her chart before:

She said the following:

"I do feel its time to change everything. My Mc Cap wants me to run my own business, only IDK what or how....... LOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I responded with:

"I don't think that it has anything to do with Capricorn Midheaven.

"I think it's Pluto so closely square your Midheaven. That indicates somebody that might want to work for themselves because of being nonconformist. Remember that Pluto is a transneptunian object with a highly eccentric orbit. It's orbit is far more elliptical than the orbits of the regular planets. Many transneptunians have far more elliptical orbits than the regular planets. Transneptunians tend to orbit well off the ecliptic. That also makes them nonconformists.
Your Pluto strongly aspects the angles. Pluto square the Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis and oppose/conjunct the Ascendant/Descendant.
There is Makemake conjunct your Sun-Moon-Mercury conjunction."

"You're very strong in transneptunian energy overall, and that can indicate a very nonconformist type that could have problems working for other people. "

That was from the Indigo/Crystal thread. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/204026.html

She strongly relates to the Indigo stuff which is mainly metaphysically oriented,ultrsensitive,rightbrained,nonconformist types. It is said that Indigos tend to have problems with authority. I think a lot of people on the forum have these traits including myself. Lioness does have the strongest Makemake chart that I have ever seen, and she is highly strong in transneptunian energy overall and that definitely goes for the Pluto aspects. She even has Sun-Moon-Mercury-Makemake trine Eris. Therefore,she even has a strong Eris influence which seems to be about diversity,equality and not just discord and controversy which mainly comes from challenging the status quo.

She is already unconventional with Sun-Moon-Mercury sextile Uranus. Her Sun sextiles North Geocentric Uranus Node with 7 minutes of arc, and so she has a connection to collective Uranian energy.

I just think the question can pertain to a lot of people, and it fits with the Forer/Barnum Effect which is the argument that critics use to invalidate Astrology.

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 12, 2010 11:39 AM            

Your answer fits perfectly with your Venus aspects in regards to security. Venus rules Taurus, the sign associated with security.

Venus in 2'18 Cancer
oppose/conjunct MC/IC in 0'31 Capricorn/Cancer
square Asc/Desc in 0'56 Aries/Libra
square Pluto in 0'15 Libra

Your answer is very practical and grounded.
You do have a strong Saturn influence

Saturn in 18'02 Gemini
trine Uranus in 15'11 Libra
sextile Sun in 16'36 Leo
sextile Makemake in 15'55 Leo
sextile Moon in 15'09 Leo
sextile Mercury in 14'23 Leo

Your Sun sextiles your Saturn-Uranus trine for a minor grand trine. Your practical,discipline side and your independence,unconventional side are in harmony, and your ego,self expression works well with those sides.

Of course, your Sun,Saturn,Uranus minor grand trine has a corresponding midpoint of Sun conjunct Saturn/Uranus - '00

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 12, 2010 11:52 AM            

I will copy and paste, the sentences that fit me..
Aries
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While some may be competitive.Those born with an Aries Ascendant are quick to anger and quick to let it pass. They don't hold grudges as a rule… they prefer to be straightforward and direct.They may have difficulty finishing their projects.
They may exhibit a swift walk. Their complexion may be a bit ruddy.Children, with an Aries Ascendant, are known for being independent and often quite self-reliant. As adults, they remain the same.They come across at times as impatient and rude. It is easy for them to get carried away and overestimate their own abilities.

Pisces
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Pisces Rising likes to go with the flow.
The typical Pisces Ascendant can seem to be a different person today than they were yesterday.Usually shy and quiet, tomorrow they may be passionate and exuberant.
Pisces Rising is very impressionable.Pisces Ascendant sees the world through glasses tinted by their opinion, so they have a difficult time being objective. Decision making is difficult for them as well.They don't want to face any harsh realities.
Pisces Ascendant wants a stable, reliable partner. They need someone who is realistic and practical; who will help keep them grounded a bit. They are very emotional and compassionate… so much so that they can become their own victims.They dislike confrontation, but are not above using manipulative game playing to get what they desire. They may turn to spiritual matters or philosophy, and they have a great admiration for education, no matter what level they did or did not attain.
Physically, they may be sensitive to anesthesia and other medications. Pisces Rising does not want to stand out in the crowd, and dislikes attracting attention to themselves. They are generous, sensitive and sentimental. On the other hand, they can manipulate others to feel sorry for them so they can benefit. They are sensitive to negative energy and criticism. may feel a deep lonesomeness that they can't do anything about.likes secrets.They use subtlety in life to ease their way.

posted August 12, 2010 12:16 PM            

Your identifying with both Aries Ascendant and Pisces Ascendant makes perfect sense.

You have Neptune trine Aries Ascendant
with 1'32 orb. In Right Ascension, you have Neptune trine Ascendant with only 7 minutes of arc. That's a strong Neptune influence.
A lot of the stuff that you listed under

You also have Venus quincunx Neptune with 10 minutes of arc and Venus parallel Neptune with 1 minute of arc. Venus-Neptune bilevel.
A lot of the stuff that you listed under Pisces Ascendant can pertain to the Venus-Neptune bilevel configuration.

The most otherworldly of all objects - Sedna is 3'02 Taurus sextile your Venus,and your Neptune quincunxes Venus and Sedna. Therefore,you have a yod with a corresponding midpoint picture of Neptune oppose Venus/Sedna with 11 minutes of arc which is well within the 1 degree orb that I use for midpoints involving minor planets.

also some of that stuff that you listed could be your very strong transneptunian influence even your Pluto aspects. Those objects orbit beyond Neptune which is a planet that is associated with dissolution of boundaries. The transneptunian objects are associated with the subtleties and "the other side" Neptune is more about the glimpse of the "other side." Technically, the transneptunian objects are more subtle than Neptune if you consider the astronomy. If you're highly attuned to subtlety and and use them to make your way ease your way, then there is an obvious ultrasensitivity which lead to absorbing energy too easily if boundaries are not maintained.

I have Moon in Pisces square Neptune and have a very strong Neptune influence overall,and I can easily relate to all of that Pisces Ascendant description,and I have a Virgo Ascendant. I am very sure that a lot of people with strong Pisces/Neptune/12th house influences can too.

I also can relate to some of the Aries Ascendant description.
Ever since I could remember, I was hothead,quick to anger and impulsive. I can have quite the competitive streak too. I definitely walk fast. I have Venus square Mars. I also have Sun trine Mars in Right Ascension. I also have Moon conjunct Mars with 7'17 orb. There are also midpoints that I have that also fit with my nature including Uranus oppose Mars/Saturn, Mars oppose Mercury/Saturn midpoint as well as other midpoint pictures with Mars involved. My Ascendant square Mars/Pluto midpoint with 4 minutes of arc and my Pluto square Sun/Mars midpoint with 14 minutes of arc can factor into my relating to the Aries Ascendant.
My Sun,Mercury,and Venus are in Scorpio which is traditionally ruled by Mars.

My mother is the same way. She has Cancer Ascendant with Mars in Capricorn in 7th in opposition to it. Her Mars is out of bounds in the declinations. She has Moon in Scorpio. She can relate to a lot of the Pisces Ascendant with her Sun in 12th trine Neptune as well as her Venus square Neptune. She also has strong midpoint pictures involving Neptune too.

Sometimes, I feel that these cookbook interpretations actually add to the argument of Forer/Barnum Effect being the reason why Astrology seems to work. A lot of the interpretations can apply to many people.
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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 12, 2010 12:41 PM            

I can relate. I have a 0 Pisces Ascendant. My birth certificate says 6:04 PM. My dad said I was born at 6:11 (a random enough time you would think he would remember it accurately). My mom says she was too spaced out to remember. The relative who was there that she told me to ask who is known for having the memory of an elephant says it was "5 something"

It's all over the place. Either late Aqua or early Pisces. I am inclined to stick with the birth certificate though. I mean, really, what else do I have? Also, the Sabians for the angles and the Moon make perfect sense for the birth certificate time, but more importantly, the description for a Pisces rising fits me to tee. I *AM* a Pisces rising, and probably at a critical degree at that. I'm so uber Piscean in some ways. Even little things like asteroids make it start to add up.

In the end, KNOW THYSELF. Meditate on it, come to a decision, then accept it. When you have the right Ascendant, you will feel it. It will feel like coming home, like finding yourself. Don't agonize and keep switching back and forth.