posted August 12, 2010 05:29 PM            

I finally figured out what the list was all about. It's taken me a while, but the brain is slowly rallying.

OK, during her graduation a month earlier than everyone else, the big Kahuna there is transiting Pluto square Sun. Pluto is sooooo much pressure on that stellium she's got in Leo, the whole thing, the cerebral powers extracted by Pluto square her Mercury, she really put her nose to the grindstone academically and made it happen. Then Pluto on her Sun-Moon conjunction, holy smokes - THAT'S HER CORE!! She underwent QUITE a life time transition with that.

The difficult thing with the list is having to match up the symbols with the situations, not necessarily how sensitive the degrees are. But what I noticed is that her chart is constructed in such a way as to be affected by the stronger "minor" aspects. I keep bumping into very strong quindeciles and sesquiquadrates affecting the events in her life, but it's no problem for me because I definitely use them (I don't consider them to be minor in strength at all).

The degrees of 20-21 popping up constantly also strengthens my resolve that her ASC/DESC axis is 5 to 6 degrees Aries/Libra. Because 21 degrees is 15 degrees away from 6, which is how we think when checking on minor aspects like semi-squares, Sesquiquadrates and Quindeciles to the 6 degree ASC/DESC Axis.

Unfortunately, I'm bumping into errors in the list (example - 2/26/08 Promoted/New Job - transiting Saturn was in Virgo, not Cancer.) I only mention it because it's too much time to check lists and stuff. Don't worry, I'll still comment when I can.

posted August 12, 2010 05:39 PM            

Ok he would like to salvage the relationship.. But I dont care to.. Im done and have moved forward.. He still see's me as his wife..
Im not thinking about a divorce right now... I really dont want to deal with lawyers and paperwork.. blah blah...

posted August 12, 2010 05:43 PM            

The move in 1988 makes sense, I've already added that information and it pans out with the birth time. The possible "heartbreak" Solar Arc happened in 1987, it was first - before the move. Possibly a result of hearing that a move was imminent and you didn't want it to happen, also the thought that you'd have to lose all of your friends. But as you stated, you stayed at your school and didn't have to leave them.

As for contacting your real father...

posted August 12, 2010 05:57 PM            

Im thinking about when I dound my dad.. Ok I know I was 25.. (only I might have said that if it was close to my Bday) Let me think about this one... I need more time...

posted August 12, 2010 06:05 PM            

You already mentioned there was no heartbreak in '87, we attributed it to your mother settling down and your sadness about the possibility of having to leave school. We also know that this didn't occur, you were allowed to stay at the same school.

posted August 12, 2010 06:20 PM            

Your prob always going to see a move with me... At least until late 98 or early 99 Im thinking March of 99 but not sure.. I now live in the same place that I moved to then.

posted August 12, 2010 07:21 PM            

Some time during the middle of this.. I was living with daughters dad.. He became physically abusive.. So I set up a plan, took me about a week... While he was at work I packed up everything and moved out.. Never going back.. First I moved in with a friend then about a month later I moved into a hotel. Then around mid Aug (after my bday, but not sure how long after) I moved in with my aunt that lives over an hour away..

Ok again during the superbowl of 92 I was in Florida.. (I know because I was pregnant with 1st) I googled the 92 superbowl it was Jan 26,1992

So about a week give or take a day or two..
A friend of mine was having problems with her BF, and so was I.. I was 19 and pregnant, feeling I needed to escape and just get away... So she said Hey want to drive to Florida to my sisters house!!

I said welll hummmmmm... OK!! (feeling it was a good way to get away) So we gathered up our money (a full $100.00) and hit the road... Yeah it was really stupid. and NOOOO $100.00 didnt make it.

posted August 13, 2010 12:43 AM            

Aries 1:A woman has risen out of the ocean, a seal is embracing her.
Makes some since
It embraces the Woman who has emerged, because every emergent process at first is susceptible to failure. This process is indeed surrounded by the memory, the ghosts of past failures during previous cycles. The impulse upward is held back by regressive fear or insecurity; the issue of the conflict depends on the relative strength of the future-ward and the past-ward forces.

Aries 5: A white triangle is seen; it has golden wings.
At this stage, nevertheless, the whole being experiences a childlike longing for its eventual realization.

Aries 6: A square brightly lighted on one side.

Aries 7: A man successfully expressing himself in two worlds at once.

Ok I can relate to this one..
At this second stage of the second five-fold sequence of symbols we see at work man's capacity for LIVING TWO SEPARATE LIVES - and finding fulfillment and happiness in both. On this capacity are founded many of the complexities of human nature.

Aries 8: A woman's hat with streamers blown by the east wind.
This one also fits

a protection against the forces of nature, i.e. cold and/or the penetrating rays of the sun. At this emotional-cultural level (Phases 6 through 10) the mental processes are still largely undeveloped) thus they need protection from the elemental forces of life. A too great openness to the Sky-energies and the "spiritual" level could lead to obsessions of one kind or another.

Pisces 26:
A new moon reveals that it's time for people to go ahead with their different projects.

Pisces 27:
A harvest moon illuminates the sky.
This symbol brings us the message that the time has come to reap what we have not only sown, but also cultivated — or failed to cultivate.
Keyword is CONSUMMATION. But in this consummation — this "karmic" moment — the seed of the new cyclic manifestation is already latent.

Pisces 28:
A fertile garden under the full moon.

Pisces 29:
Light breaking into many colors as it passes through a prism.
What the symbol tells us is that unity will always break again into multiplicity. The "prism" is always there. There is no absolute unity; if anything could be called "absolute" it is the relationship between the One and the Many.

Pisces 30:
A majestic rock formation resembling a face is idealized by a boy who takes it as his ideal of greatness; as he grows up, he begins to look like it.

Nathaniel Hawthorne's story "The Great Stone Face" is used here in an allegorical sense to show the capacity for self-transformation latent in man. This power can be developed through visualization, when the emotions and the will are poured into the visualized mental image. At the highest spiritual-cosmic level this is the

posted August 13, 2010 01:07 AM            

Aries 1:A woman has risen out of the ocean, a seal is embracing her."

That seems like the Inuit Sea Goddess Sedna whose fingers chopped off by her father as she clinged onto the boat. They became creatures. She sank to the bottom of the Arctic Ocean. She became a goddess and ruler of the Underworld called Adlivun.

You have Venus sextile Sedna, and Neptune quicunxes that. Therefore, you have a yod with a corresponding midpoint picture of Neptune oppose Venus/Sedna midpoint.

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In Inuit mythology, Sedna (Inuktitut Sanna, ᓴᓐᓇ is a deity and goddess of the marine animals, especially mammals such as seals. She lives in and rules over Adlivun, the Inuit underworld. Sedna is also known as Arnakuagsak or Arnarquagssaq (Greenland) and Nerrivik (northern Greenland) or Nuliajuk (District of Keewatin, Northwest Territories). Although Sedna is sometimes thought to predominate throughout the Canadian Arctic she was known by other names by different Inuit groups. One example of this is Arnapkapfaaluk (big bad woman) [1] of the Copper Inuit from the Coronation Gulf area.
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* 1 Alternative myths
* 2 Role in beliefs
* 3 Other representations
* 4 References
* 5 External links

[edit] Alternative myths

According to one myth, Sedna, similar to a mermaid, was the daughter of the creator-god Anguta. She is said to have been so huge and hungry that she ate everything in her parents' home, and even gnawed off one of her father's arms as he slept. According to some versions of the myth, she took a dog for her husband.

Anguta was so angry that he threw her over the side of his kayak. She clung to its sides, whereupon he chopped her fingers off one by one until she let go. She sank to the underworld, becoming the ruler of the monsters of the deep, and her huge fingers became the seals, walrus and whales hunted by the Inuit.

Another version of the myth says that she finds none of the men shown to her by her father good enough, and so she marries a dog. Her father is so angry at this that he throws her into the sea, and when she tries to climb back into the boat he cuts her fingers off. Her fingers become the first seals and she becomes a mighty sea goddess. When angered, she locks up all the sea-creatures and so people die. If that happens, it is held that someone must go to her house and wash her, whereupon she lets the animals go again.

Other tales assert that Sedna was a beautiful maiden who wouldn't marry any hunters who came by. She and her father had no food. One day a hunter came and said he was looking for a wife. If he could have Sedna he would give her father fish. Sedna's father agreed and he gave the hunter his daughter and in return the hunter gave Sedna's father fish that were rotten. Sedna's father put Sedna to sleep using a sleeping potion before the hunter took Sedna. The hunter took Sedna to a big nest on a cliff, and here he revealed to her his true form, a great evil raven. When she woke up she found birds everywhere looking at her. Her father had an instinct telling him to go take his daughter back. When her father tried to rescue her, the evil bird creature became angry and caused a terrible storm which threatened the very survival of her people. In desperation, Sedna's father threw her into the raging sea. She tried to hold on to the boat but her hands got so cold her fingers fell off one by one and became sea creatures. She fell to the bottom of the sea and grew a fish tail.

One popular variation of the above story tell of Sedna being kidnapped by a Storm- or Thunderbird from her human father.

Her father then sets off in his kayak to rescue her from the floating ice-island where she is imprisoned while the Thunderbird is away. The Thunderbird enraged by her disappearance calls to a spirit of the sea to help him right this insolence against him. The Seaspirit locates the Kayak with the two humans aboard and creates huge waves to kill them off. Sedna's father then throws Sedna overboard in the vain hope that this will appease the angry sea god. Sedna tries to reenter the kayak but her father grabs a little axe and chops three of her fingers off before striking her to the head. The three fingers each becoming a different type of seal. The stroke to her head sends Sedna to the oceanfloor where she resides today commanding all the animals of the sea. Her father exhausted from the fight reaches land and crawls into his igloo where he falls asleep. However, before he wakes the waters rises and claim the igloo and all that is in it.
[edit] Role in beliefs

The varying legends each give different rationales for her death at the hands of her father. Sometimes she is the innocent victim, and sometimes she appears to deserve death as punishment for greed or some other evil. But all tales agree that she descended into the depths of the ocean and became the Goddess of Sea Creatures. As such, she became a vital deity, worshipped by hunters who depended on her goodwill to supply food.
[edit] Other representations

90377 Sedna, a trans-Neptunian object discovered by Michael Brown (Caltech), Chad Trujillo (Gemini Observatory) and David Rabinowitz (Yale University) on November 14, 2003, is named for her.

The 1992 National Film Board of Canada documentary Sedna: The Making of a Myth compares the efforts of three Inuit carvers and a non-Inuit carver to sculpt a figure of Sedna on a marble outcrop on Baffin Island.[2]

Sedna is mentioned in the novel Avengers: The Man who Stole Tomorrow (October, 1979) written by David Michelinie using the Marvel Comics characters. She is also featured in the Marvel comic books The Mighty Thor #3: God and Man and The Mighty Thor #4: From the Ashes (1998).

Sedna is the adversary In the children's cartoon Inuk which follows the story of a young Inuit boy.

Sedna is featured in an online first-person shooter developed by Frogames called Penguins Arena: Sedna's World released December 18, 2008.[3] In the game, penguin tribes are endangered, and Sedna, the ancient penguin goddess, tells them that there is room for only one tribe to survive. The point of the game is to use snowballs to drive the other penguin tribes into the sea.

Sedna is also a playable character in Demigod, a strategy game by Gas Powered Games[4]. She's categorized as predominately a healer, and rides a snow leopard named Sila.

Sedna is the name of a song by Heather Dale from her album The Road to Santiago released in 2005. It tells of the transformation of Sedna's fingers into the marine animals they became.[5]

Sedna is a sea goddess who captures the protagonist's friend, Nate, in Eyes Like Stars, a book in the Théâtre Illuminata series by Lisa Mantchev.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedna_%28mythology%29

90377 Sedna is a trans-Neptunian object and likely dwarf planet discovered by Mike Brown (Caltech), Chad Trujillo (Gemini Observatory) and David Rabinowitz (Yale University) on November 14, 2003. As of 2010[update], it is 87.4 AU from the Sun,[8] about three times as distant as Neptune. For most of its orbit Sedna is farther from the Sun than any other currently known dwarf planet candidate. Eris, the largest known dwarf planet, is currently farther from the Sun than Sedna, though it is near its aphelion, or maximum distance from the Sun, while Sedna is nearing its perihelion, or minimum distance.

Sedna's exceptionally long and elongated orbit, taking roughly 12,000 years to complete, and distant perihelion (76 AU) have led to much speculation as to its origin. The Minor Planet Center currently places Sedna in the scattered disc, a group of objects sent into highly elongated orbits by the gravitational influence of Neptune. However, Sedna never comes close enough to Neptune to have been scattered by it, leading some astronomers to conclude that it is in fact the first known member of the inner Oort cloud. Others speculate that it might have been tugged into its current orbit by a passing star, perhaps one within the Sun's birth cluster, or even that it was captured from another star system. Another hypothesis suggests that its orbit may be evidence for a large planet beyond the orbit of Neptune. Mike Brown claims that Sedna is the most scientifically important trans-Neptunian object yet discovered, as understanding its peculiar orbit is likely to yield valuable information about the origin and early evolution of the Solar System.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/90377_Sedna

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posted August 13, 2010 01:34 AM            

Sedna in 3'02 Taurus R in 1st
trine Midheaven in 0'31 Capricorn

With Geocosmic's time of 9:53 PM,

Sedna in 3'02 Taurus R in 1st
trine/sextile Midheaven/Imum Coeli in 3'31 Capricorn/Cancer

As you see, you have a closer Sedna trine Midheaven with the new birth time

I also wonder how Sedna in 1st works for appearance. It's a transneptunian dwarf planet candidate. It will very likely join with Eris,Pluto,Makemake,Haumea,and Ceres as dwarf planet. It is larger than Ceres too. Ceres is over 900 km in diamter. Sedna is well over 1,000 km in diameter. Transneptunian dwarf planet Pluto obviously works in houses. I don't see why Sedna can't.

Sedna seems like an evolutionary intensified Neptune. The mythological Sedna is far more victim,sacrifice,martyr than the mythological Neptune which was never depicted as having that theme. Neptune's traits seem to come from Dionysus/Bacchus, the God of Wine. Neptune is just the Supreme God of the Sea. Neptune represents the archetypes of the sea. It makes sense for Neptune being given ruler over Pisces, the fishes.

I wonder if the Sedna in 1st can also factor into that fey-like appearance that you have. Your Venus sextiles Sedna,and your Neptune quincunxes that.

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posted August 13, 2010 01:57 AM            

Sedna: The Inuit Sea Goddess is back from the depths and is in our neighborhood. She is shouting for our attention. She addresses the deep wound our planet and many women (and the sensitive/vulnerable part of men) have endured in humanity’s quest for knowledge and survival. She is the voice calling for the protection of our environment (for our own good), women’s rights and animal and children’s rights…all those seeking to heal. She also speaks in individual charts so that needed healing can be addressed. http://dwarfplanetastrology.com/DwarfPlanetAstrology.htm

http://planetwaves.net/astrology/sedna.html
http://www.midlandsschoolofastrology.co.uk/sedna_and_floods.html
http://www.midlandsschoolofastrology.co.uk/astrology_of_sedna__neptune_square_20062 008.html
http://www.midlandsschoolofastrology.co.uk/sedna_and_venus_a_difficult_choice_nov_09. html

These are keywords from Philip Sedgwick:

The Enigmatic Sedna

Not a centaur, nor Trans-Neptunian Object, Sedna is the first named Scattered Disk Object. These bodies have long orbital periods based upon their high eccentricity. They are scattered into the realm "beyond (?)" our solar system by the relatively significant gravity of Neptune.

Sedna's influence appeared in the bowl of chili severed finger incident, a finger in custard incident, punishment of primarily female members in the military for the Abu Graib scandal and (hopefully more joyfully) in Tim Burton's anifilm, The Corpse Bride.

Sedna - She is the first body to bear the mythology of the arctic's Inuit culture. Orbital Period: 11,013.05 yr.

Positive - a forgiving disposition, discernment, clarity of perception, recognition of free will and choice, responsible, conscious of consequence, far thinking, dharma-oriented, does the homework of life

Negative - victimization, abuse, being deceived, history of betrayal, bitterness, “gold digging” attitude in relationship, transfers blame to others, numbs out, goes unconscious

Mundane - blubber, products made from sea mammals, whaling, diving bells that go into the dark of the sea, emotional healing, forgiveness, sorrow, engagement, masks, flight of the birds

Ceremonial - cleansing in the sea, propitiation to the sea, sea creatures, use of sea creature talismans (walrus tusk carvings, scrimshaw), ceremony with masks of sea creatures, ceremonial masks in general
http://philipsedgwick.com/

Sedna,Goddess Of Our Time article http://astrologyalive.com/TMA409Sedna.pdf

KEYWORDS

SUGGESTED BY

CONTACT & WEBSITE
Victim, sacrifice sometimes unavoidable: transformation of victimhood – losses, possibly emotional, in mundane house where Sedna is, particularly if afflicted: inevitable fate – destiny: not of this world – worlds in collision – not of this culture, not of this time: uncovering that which is hidden, remote, unseen: concealed and acting unseen in an inky blackness: search for new knowledge in an alien world: issues around preservation of that which is untouched, essential, numinous: purposeful activity fuelled by a burning inner spiritual drive not of the personality: superconscious perception which incorporates a multi-dimensional mystical universe: far-sighted intelligence: misperception of reality – delusional, self-deception: release of soul to the world of spirit in the process of dying: psychic/mediumistic – this world connected to the other: the suffering of the unloved, outcast, sick, homeless, limbless: Noah's ark – preservation of what would otherwise become extinct: buried alive – entombed: Thy Will, not my will: essence not personality: preservation of nature and ecosystems: receptive to a spiritual calling from afar: the power of water: in this world but not of it.

Roy MacKinnon
RoyMacKinn@blueyonder.co.uk.

respect; self-respect via respecting/integrating cultural values; getting respect via venerating history & established values; participation in veneration, and therefore getting cultural respect; cultural nobility/royalty; above the fray; putting on airs; rightly entitled cultural/historical representative; unquestionable; dignity which is deferred to; monuments / statues; respect / "class"; iconic status; identification with antiquity or with eternal icons and symbols
Special entitlement because one is better and special. Above the law, acting without any interruption from the hoi-palloi. Indiana Jones, James Bond, Jack Bauer - the only one for the job - must be allowed to act on their instincts without being questioned.

Jonathan Dunn
admin@true-node.com www.true-node.com

Social Pain, Social Taboos, revealing what a particular group or ideology would rather not see, the dark side of society, the suffering of the marginalised and dispossessed, marginal causes adopted without hope of ultimate success, torture, persecution, remaining faithful to something unto death (Martyrdom), the killing of the defenseless, slaughterhouses, abortion, neccesery evils, the abuse of the weak by the powerful, great honesty, sticking to one's convictions in the face of pressure to conform, deep insight into the workings of evil and the mindset of the evil people; ultimately everything that is prominant yet challenges key social values and so must either be hidden or justified.

Godwin Cooke
cliffracer_slayer@yahoo.com
http://www.zanestein.com/keywords.html#Sedna

I have a strong Sedna influence myself with Sedna oppose Sun with 44 minutes of arc and sextile Moon with 39 minutes of arc with my Sun trine Moon with 1'24 orb. Sun,Moon,Sedna Wedge which is two planets in Opposition, with a third planet (apex) in Trine to one and Sextile to the other. The apex planet can often provide a creative outlet for the stress of the Opposition.In Huber astrology, this is called an Ambivalence Triangle. That's all in Right Ascension which is equatorial longitude. Moon is the apex planet. I have Moon sextile Sedna with 1'05 in the regular chart. Sun oppose Sedna with 3'16 orb in regular chart. Sun trine Moon with 2'10 orb. I have a Wedge in regular chart too. The Sun oppose Sedna is 16 minutes past the 3 degree orb that I use for the big transneptunian objects, but it's allowed because it's part of a Wedge.

I can relate to a lot of the keywords for Sedna.

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posted August 13, 2010 06:10 AM            

I know I wasn't explanatory enough with my list, my brain was fried too yesterday!

posted August 13, 2010 09:09 AM            

Ascendant: 13 Pisces 25', MC: 20 Sag 37'

February, 1979: Moved to California

Tr. Neptune conjunct MC (Neptune rules 1st)

Tr. Saturn oppose ASC

May 2, 1990: Graduated High School (early graduation)

Solar Arc Mars oppose ASC

Solar Arc ASC oppose Pluto

* Natal Mars is in the 6th (hardworking and focused)

May 12, 1992: Gave birth to 1st child

Solar Arc ASC square Venus (giving birth)

April 14, 1994: Started job (still working there)

Solar Arc MC sesquiquadrate Mars

*Natal Mars is in the 6th (house of work)

January 3, 2000: Started new job
July 22, 2000: Got married
December 28, 2000: Offered promotion

Solar Arc Sun oppose ASC

April 23, 2002: Gave birth to 2nd child

Solar Arc Moon oppose ASC (Moon rules 5th)

* 5th house: house of children

May 30, 2008: Husband was taken away - temporarily

Tr. Uranus square MC

* Tr. Uranus is in the 1st, thus affecting 1st/7th

Feb 3, 2009: Husband was taken away - permanently

Solar Arc MC conjunct T. Node

Solar Arc Pluto semisquare MC (ended it)

Tr. Uranus square MC

Tr. Saturn square MC

November 14-15, 2009: Two separate guys showed interest

Solar Arc Moon square MC (Moon rules 5th)

Solar Arc Mercury square MC (Mercury rules 7th)

* 5th house: romance, love affairs

* SA Mercury=MC could also signify Lioness' ongoing problems with her husband.

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The future projection of this could be the suggestion of instability in her own marriage or relationship which she already mentioned by telling us that her husband was finally "taken away for good". I don't know what that means, but I would check on her 7th cusp (an angle) at this time and also the planet that rules that angle.

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I would also check on the ruler of her 3rd House cusp, the 3rd house is the house of early education and I'd bet that the ruler of that house is stressed or that the planets residing in that house are stressed.

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In this new chart, her 3rd house ruler is Venus and Venus is afflicted in the 4th. She also has Saturn in the 3rd.

posted August 13, 2010 09:19 AM            

Does this Sabian symbol explain your life theme??

PHASE 344 (PISCES 14°): A LADY WRAPPED IN A LARGE STOLE OF FOX FUR.

KEYNOTE: The use of intelligence and mental subtlety as a protection against storms and trials.

Coming just after the preceding symbols and as the fourth stage of a five-fold sequence, which is usually related to some kind of technique, this symbol may at first seem irrelevant. The key to its interpretation, missed by the commentators, is fox fur. In symbolism and mythology the fox is always a clever and subtle animal. It represents the intellect at its early stage of "cunning"; in a broader sense, it also refers to "intelligence," considered as the ability to adapt to any and all life situations. Spiritual will and the ability to stand in facing tests are necessary in any crucial or challenging situation that an individual meets within a power-oriented group. But the sword-like will often has to be shielded, and intelligence or acumen can be the most precious help in danger. It is a personal (i.e. "animal" or instinctual) shield, perhaps even a camouflage. It hides the central will, but it keeps the individual from unnecessary hardships.

posted August 13, 2010 10:58 AM            

Therefore, her Ascendant is in that same degree and has the same Sabian Symbol which is my Descendant.

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posted August 13, 2010 12:32 PM            

the 5th house is in the northern hemisphere (bottom half of the chart)which is associated with introversion.

All her personal planets are in the northern hemisphere which I already pointed out could be a factor in her introversion.

the southern hemisphere (top half of the chart) is associated with extroversion

Her Sun-Moon-Mercury conjunction is conjunct the transneptunian dwarf planet Makemake which orbits beyond Pluto. That would indicate a more subtle,sensitive,intense nature that would modify the outgoingness of Leo. Her Moon is closely semisquare Pluto,and that would add more subltely,sensitivity,and intensity.

Also with the birthtime that Geocosmic came up with, she has direct midpoint pictures involving Saturn that include Saturn conjunct Neptune/Midheaven midpoint and Ascendant conjunct Saturn/Node midpoint.
Midpoint pictures are highly emphasized in the systems of Uranian Astrology,Cosmobiology,and Noel Tyl Astrology. Cosmobiologists don't use houses like mainstream astrologers do.

In his book HOROSCOPE SYMBOLS, Robert Hand says that direct midpoint pictures could indicate major themes.

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posted August 13, 2010 01:18 PM            

WOW!! I wasn't going to come back to this thread today because I needed a break but your presentation was WONDERFUL! Organized and clear!! Thank you for that.

I would definitely keep it as a viable alternative to what I've done. Even though I questioned the 40 minute span of time BEFORE the birth certificate, everything is valid.

I wish I could say more, but I think I'll email you privately when my brain isn't so fried, but I urge you to continue on testing both times. Also, take into consideration what Glaucus has said, it all adds up and you should check out the midpoint pictures for your chart as well. I think you may be onto something.

posted August 13, 2010 02:21 PM            

The sabian symbol does make sense to a point. I am cleaver and subtle, and I can be very cunning. I do adapt to situations that are thrown my way. I do hide will.. BUT it does not keep me from hardships.. I have had lots of hardship..
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Unnecessary risks are forbidden to the initiate, for the security of the Brotherhood might be endangered. The need for PROTECTIVE SHIELDING is imperative, and glamour can be an effective shield.
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This really does fit alot here.... especially taking the unnecessary risk..
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Pisces 2nd Decan
natural ruler of the fourth house of home base, family, and security -- likely causes you to be very close to family members
NOOOOOO doesnt fit at all

You may find it a bit difficult to break parental ties and become independent.
My independence is my pride.. I have been on my own since I was 19..My Independence is the most important thing to me.
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Because of this, you should choose your environment and associates carefully; otherwise, you may spend too much time withdrawn into your emotional shell for fear that if you come out you'll only be hurt further.
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YESSSS..
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Many changes -- residence, occupation, associations -- can go with this influence.

As a Child yes... But not as an adult when I was in control of it... I have lived in my current house for 15 years.. I also work for the same company since 94.. Even though I have been promoted and changed to different locations.
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A Sabina symbol/decan; they may fit would be Pluto energy type, and a deep need for security. Fear of loosing my security, fear of losing my independence. I going to read some more and see what I can come up..

I will be back...

Again thanks for your help

posted August 13, 2010 02:58 PM            

PHASE 243 (SAGITTARIUS 3°): TWO MEN PLAYING CHESS.

KEYNOTE: The transcendent ritualization of conflict.

Essential to socio-cultural living is the transmutation of man's natural aggressiveness under most conditions of existence. Many rituals, sports and games have no other basic aim. In chess the complex types of energies which in their togetherness constitute a human person are symbolized by six kinds of pieces (king, queen, bishops, knights, rooks and pawns). The struggle between light and darkness (the Yang and Yin forces) is ritualized, ending in most cases with the checkmating of the king (the ego, the conscious self). In a dualistic world such a contest between polarized forces is omnipresent. The chess game trains men to be more objective, more careful, more aware of whole situations — and less impulsive and intent upon side issues.

This third stage symbol deals with conflict, but at the level of group culture and psychological symbolization. It brings to the objective consciousness the basic realities in interpersonal INTERPLAY.
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Does make sense here...
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I do have ego clashes, but Im not always on the go.. I can come on strong with people..

The Sabian symbols that stand out the most for me are..

PHASE 353 (PISCES 23°): A "MATERIALIZING" MEDIUM GIVING A SEANCE.

PHASE 354 (PISCES 24°): ON A SMALL ISLAND SURROUNDED BY THE VAST EXPANSE OF THE SEA, PEOPLE ARE SEEN LIVING IN CLOSE INTERACTION.

PHASE 356 (PISCES 26°): WATCHING THE VERY THIN MOON CRESCENT APPEARING AT SUNSET, DIFFERENT PEOPLE REALIZE THAT THE TIME HAS COME TO GO AHEAD WITH THEIR DIFFERENT PROJECTS.

PHASE 357 (PISCES 27°): THE HARVEST MOON ILLUMINES A CLEAR AUTUMNAL SKY.

KEYNOTE: The light of fulfillment that blesses work well done.

PHASE 359 PISCES 29°): LIGHT BREAKING INTO MANY COLORS THROUGH A PRISM.

KEYNOTE: The analytical power of the mind necessary for the formulation of life processes in their many aspects.
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I know it doesnt help..... I will keep reading them and see if I can narrow it down.

posted August 13, 2010 07:43 PM            

You may be on to something here... I was just playing with my times.. I changed my time by 30 mins 9:10 (just a guess, looking to see what changes with a mid Pisces Asc) Not saying this is accurate..

This is what changes

Saturn Sq Asc
Saturn Opps Jupiter
Saturn opps MC
Neptune moves from the 8th to the 9th
No planets in the 5th
All Leo Planets are in the 6th.
No more neptune trine asc
No more venus sq Asc
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Saturn Square Ascendant

You may have quite a bit of difficulty learning to relate to other people as friends or loved ones, even within your immediate family. This problem usually stems from the fact that you feel somehow unworthy of being loved or attended to. Certainly you are not incompetent, but you tend to feel that the demands of life, specifically those made by other people, are so high that you cannot live up to them.

Do not accept criticism as the main part of a relationship, for it is not. Mutual love, respect and reinforcement should be the main components of any relationship.

Some persons with this aspect, feeling that the outer world demands too much, withdraw from social contact by going inside themselves. Others feel that there is only a great void within, so they work furiously in the outer world of friends and other contacts to escape from that inner emptiness.

Saturn Opposition Midheaven

This can be a difficult placement, indicating that you feel so lonely and so different from others that it is hard to relate to them. You need a great deal of emotional support from your family. Your mother, especially, may demand a great deal and expect you to live up to very high standards, without giving you very much emotional reinforcement.

One possible effect of this placement is that you will be very active socially. You are trying to escape from your sense of inadequacy through others. However, the only way that you can really conquer this feeling is by going inside, confronting yourself and accepting what you are.

Neptune in the Ninth House 9th hs

You are an idealist and dreamer who looks beyond your everyday world for topics to think and dream about. The normal world that we all live in seems to you a rather dull, uninteresting place. You always look for the hidden aspects of your world, the movements going on behind the scenes and the events that do not quite fit in with ordinary views of the world.

A serious problem that may arise with this placement is that you may be quite impractical. Your head may be so far up in the clouds that you cannot come to grips with the real world down here. This position indicates faith, in all its good and bad meanings.

A compassionate person, you have a feeling of kinship to all life, which you probably express by being kind to other people and to animals.

Mercury in the Sixth House 6th hs

You have a very orderly mind, and you like to learn techniques for doing various kinds of work. You are quite good with tools, of which you may have many, because of your hobbies. In any kind of work, you try to be extremely careful, and you take great pride in making something as nearly perfect as possible. For this reason you are good at any task that requires discipline and skill.

Your critical mind quickly figures out how any situation could be improved. However, be careful not to be so critical that you see only flaws. Use your critical ability to improve things, not to tear them down.

**********I read Mercury in the 6th, says you will meet your soul sister at work.

Remember I said I met my best friend on my first job at 15.. We are still best friends to this day..

Moon in the Sixth House 6th hs

There is a strong connection between your moods and your physical health. If you feel unhappy or depressed for any length of time, you are likely to become sick as a result. You don't take very good care of yourself when you are depressed, and that leaves you open to illness

It may be hard for you to work in a planned and disciplined way. But you enjoy work that keeps your own world neat and orderly.

Usually you prefer to work for others, because you would rather be directed by a stronger will than your own.

When you are an adult you are likely to be interested in a career in some field involving home services or products, health care, food services or agriculture.

Sun in the Sixth House 6th hs

You are somewhat shy and you prefer to work quietly on the sidelines. But whatever you do, you want to do very well. You have high standards and want all your work to be as nearly perfect as possible.

You may find it hard to stand up to aggressive people. But unless you learn to do this, they may try to run your life. You need to be more self-confident and less self-critical.

You are very concerned with long-range goals and more disciplined about staying with them than most people your age.

Mars Trine Midheaven

You have a strong sense of self, that is, you know who you are and what your rights are with regard to other people. You have considerable self-confidence and will fight for what you believe to be yours. On the other hand, you probably won't try to dominate people. You do have a great deal of physical energy, however, especially in activities that you want to be involved in. Fortunately, with this aspect you won't have much trouble finding a purpose in life.

You are not especially competitive, but you are independent. You do not like to be dependent on other people, nor do you like anyone to interfere with the schedule you have set for yourself.

When you have to make a choice, you are usually able to do so quickly and easily, because you know pretty much what you want, and you go after it.
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What do you guys think... You think this could be the difference??? Not that I know the degree of the ASc or not...

posted August 16, 2010 03:41 PM            

I will come back when I feel like continuing. We need to take a break!