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Topic: ASC and ASC ruler
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Quinnie
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posted May 05, 2011 05:00 PM
  
Ami 
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Sorry Coffee I like your theory but I'm not convinced, but I could very easily be wrong. IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon*
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From: Avendesora
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posted May 05, 2011 05:01 PM
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Originally posted by Coffee:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Benedict Moon*:
[b]I'm trying very hard but I still don't see the logic around house-centered astrology vs. planets. The planet is the player, while the house is the condition. It just makes no sense to throw out the former in favor of the latter and it certainly doesn't resonate with me.
1st house is all about appearance. Put a sign on the 1st house and you have a description of how that house expresses itself.[/B][/QUOTE]
True. But as the old saying goes...appearances can be decieving. I can put on my Ice-Queen Capricorn mask all day long but does that say anything about who I really am? Maybe to the friendly banker who balances my checks. A mask is just that, a mask. If you were reading the Asc in terms of all the angular cusps, then maaaaybe I'd understand where you're coming from. But to throw out the sun AND moon in favor of the 1st house cusp? Ludicrous.
But each to their own, I suppose. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted May 05, 2011 05:02 PM
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Originally posted by Quinnie:
Ami
Can.....................worms..............open
 I am messing with Coffee cuz he was a little mean to me ,today.
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Coffee
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posted May 05, 2011 05:08 PM
Benedict Moon*, The Sun has rulership over house 5, naturally, as Cancer has with house 4. None of these are personality. 1st house is personality, agreed?The mask is what we wear outwards, while our personality comes from inside. The sign on the OUTSIDE is the mask, while the sign of the 1st ruler is on the INSIDE. This will work with each house too. You may think a certain way is times, but think differently when the pressure is off, as such. Ami, go to your room, naughty! IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted May 05, 2011 05:10 PM
So, Coffee, you don't work with ASC/DSC, MC/IC aspects at all?
Just the house rulers, not the angles, right?IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon*
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posted May 05, 2011 05:15 PM
No, I don't agree... at all. Because, I'm sorry, but it still doesn't make any sense. And none of it resonates with me. I have never identified with Capricorn whole-sale, but I do identify with my Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn placements. I don't know how that can be if technically they don't even count at all. Humor me. Houses, signs, and planets go hand in hand, you can't really favor one to the exclusion of the rest. IP: Logged |
Coffee
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posted May 05, 2011 05:33 PM
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
So, Coffee, you don't work with ASC/DSC, MC/IC aspects at all?
Just the house rulers, not the angles, right?
I don't look at aspects to the angles, but do look at the angles house ruler. IP: Logged |
Coffee
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posted May 05, 2011 05:37 PM
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Originally posted by Benedict Moon*:
No, I don't agree... at all. Because, I'm sorry, but it still doesn't make any sense. And none of it resonates with me. I have never identified with Capricorn whole-sale, but I do identify with my Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn placements. I don't know how that can be if technically they don't even count at all. Humor me. Houses, signs, and planets go hand in hand, you can't really favor one to the exclusion of the rest.
I can only reply in this way.... Many years ago I learned astrology and relaised the way I learned, did not work. So, I aimed to prove astrology by whatever means possible. That meant looking at astrology in a different way, one that worked. This is what I've come up with. It is difficult because people have their ego tied up in what they have learned. Who would like to admit that all the astro work they have done for the last few years could be wrong? I've aimed to do this in the most objective way as possible. IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted May 05, 2011 05:42 PM
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Originally posted by Coffee:
I don't look at aspects to the angles, but do look at the angles house ruler.
Yes right.
Thanks. And so, does the Sun and Moon still play a major role or not at all?
For example, if you want to know the emotional characteristics of a person, will you only look at the 4th house and its ruler or still consider the Moon's position? IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon*
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posted May 05, 2011 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by Coffee:
I can only reply in this way....Many years ago I learned astrology and relaised the way I learned, did not work. So, I aimed to prove astrology by whatever means possible. That meant looking at astrology in a different way, one that worked. This is what I've come up with. It is difficult because people have their ego tied up in what they have learned. Who would like to admit that all the astro work they have done for the last few years could be wrong? I've aimed to do this in the most objective way as possible.
Well if it works for you, then more power to ya. I can agree to disagree. Im just not seeing how this system works in my chart and the charts of others. For example, I don't see mars (ruler of my IC) as being most dominant in my emotional nature than my Moon. Unless you're talking in relation to anger.
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SmilingHeart
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posted May 05, 2011 06:00 PM
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Originally posted by maira:
Do you identify with either one of the signs that come before or after your actual asc? The hour may be wrong...
Yes, I do identify with Leo Rising alot. But my mother says that she is pretty sure that my birth time is correct...If I was born 18 minutes earlier it would be in Leo. But I don't think a birth time can be that far off.
Could be planets conjunct my Ascendant also modify it? IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted May 05, 2011 06:05 PM
Of course planets in the 1st or near the Asc in the 12th modify the expression of the Asc.IP: Logged |
Coffee
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posted May 05, 2011 06:09 PM
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Yes right.
Thanks.And so, does the Sun and Moon still play a major role or not at all?
For example, if you want to know the emotional characteristics of a person, will you only look at the 4th house and its ruler or still consider the Moon's position?
The Sun and Moon are as equal as the rest of the planets due to the house they rule. Yeah, I guess you would look at 4th house.
Although, you have to ask yourself what are emotions, are they just thoughts, or a word for describing the state of your thoughts? This is where I think differently. IP: Logged |
Coffee
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posted May 05, 2011 06:11 PM
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Of course planets in the 1st or near the Asc in the 12th modify the expression of the Asc.
No. Planets in aspect to the 1st house ruler, not planets IN the 1st house. IP: Logged |
Quinnie
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posted May 05, 2011 06:13 PM
Coffee, you have intrigued me with your theory..and I'm going to apply it to a few charts to see how it works for them.IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted May 05, 2011 06:17 PM
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Originally posted by Coffee:
No. Planets in aspect to the 1st house ruler, not planets IN the 1st house.
Yes sorry I should have specified that I was talking about the regular chart interpretation, not the system you use. I think people are quite lost with your system, just because it differs so much from what we're used to use. But I think it's a good idea to look at different perspectives, it's always good for the mind . IP: Logged |
littlecloud
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posted May 05, 2011 06:28 PM
No wonder I come off as a cold ***** . IP: Logged |
maira
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posted May 05, 2011 06:29 PM
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Originally posted by SmilingHeart:
Yes, I do identify with Leo Rising alot. But my mother says that she is pretty sure that my birth time is correct...If I was born 18 minutes earlier it would be in Leo. But I don't think a birth time can be that far off.
Could be planets conjunct my Ascendant also modify it?
Of course planets conjunct the asc modify it, but I'm pretty sure that you're a Leo ascendant, that's why I asked. This may sound stupid, but how's your hair? Is it thin and do you have to wash it often, never quite sure about how to style it because it's difficult? Or is it one of the things you get compliments about, maybe for the length or the styling, how it frames your face or the fact that it is wild and beautiful? IP: Logged |
maira
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posted May 05, 2011 06:31 PM
Also, I too have to agree to disagree with your theory Coffee  IP: Logged |
SmilingHeart
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posted May 05, 2011 06:33 PM
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Originally posted by Coffee:
No. Planets in aspect to the 1st house ruler, not planets IN the 1st house.
Hmm, okay...I'm not sure if I understand this right. So my Ascendant is in Virgo. My Ascendant ruler is Mercury. Mercury is in Virgo, conjunct Ascendant and conjunct Venus, so would Mercury and Venus be influences or only Venus? And since my Asc ruler is conjunct my Asc would that *double* my Asc traits or make Venus stronger or what? I don't even know what I'm talking about anymore, lol. Please, someone, explain that to me. xD IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted May 05, 2011 06:35 PM
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Originally posted by SmilingHeart:
Hmm, okay...I'm not sure if I understand this right. So my Ascendant is in Virgo. My Ascendant ruler is Mercury. Mercury is in Virgo, conjunct Ascendant and conjunct Venus, so would Mercury and Venus be influences or only Venus? And since my Asc ruler is conjunct my Asc would that *double* my Asc traits or make Venus stronger or what? I don't even know what I'm talking about anymore, lol. Please, someone, explain that to me. xD
Hmm I guess Mercury would have to be looked at, along with Venus because they are in conjunction.
However, if Venus was just in the 1st house without aspecting Mercury, you would have to ignore it.
(I think). Right, Coffee?
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Coffee
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posted May 05, 2011 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by maira:
Of course planets conjunct the asc modify it, but I'm pretty sure that you're a Leo ascendant, that's why I asked. This may sound stupid, but how's your hair? Is it thin and do you have to wash it often, never quite sure about how to style it because it's difficult? Or is it one of the things you get compliments about, maybe for the length or the styling, how it frames your face or the fact that it is wild and beautiful?
I know all about Leo's and their hair, don't need any examples, but certainly thought that Aries/Mars/1st house is hair because it's on the top of your head. Head is the top, while Pisces, the last sign, is the feet. IP: Logged |
SmilingHeart
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posted May 05, 2011 06:39 PM
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Originally posted by maira:
Of course planets conjunct the asc modify it, but I'm pretty sure that you're a Leo ascendant, that's why I asked. This may sound stupid, but how's your hair? Is it thin and do you have to wash it often, never quite sure about how to style it because it's difficult? Or is it one of the things you get compliments about, maybe for the length or the styling, how it frames your face or the fact that it is wild and beautiful?
It's black,supercurly and full (pretty wild, too). It's quite amazing, I love it.
I get alot of compliments about it, it's my pride. It grows really quick, I just cut it recently and had to cut it again because it didn't stay that lenght very long. Okay now I'm just boasting again, xD. How is that related to my Ascendant? IP: Logged |
Coffee
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posted May 05, 2011 06:41 PM
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Hmm I guess Mercury would have to be looked at, along with Venus because they are in conjunction.
However, if Venus was just in the 1st house without aspecting Mercury, you would have to ignore it.
(I think).Right, Coffee?
I would ignore if it wasn't in good aspect. Virgo rising with Mercury in Virgo means you have a mask that is same as your personality. A straightforward as you are personality. No mask. Even though you would. IP: Logged |
maira
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posted May 05, 2011 06:42 PM
I believe that the ascendant far from being only a mask we wear and how others perceive us, but also how we perceive the world, the lens that we use to filter the experiences our ego (sun) wants to create, or what we need (moon) to experience.The ascendant shows also the physical appearance, there are many here who can guess correctly a person rising, Moon and Sun based on a photo (search the archives )
So I'm sticking to old school and the big three, based on my gut feeling and my (limited) experience IP: Logged |
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