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Topic: ASC and ASC ruler
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BeholdAstarte
Knowflake Posts: 148
From: las vegas, nevada, USA
Registered: Dec 2009
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posted May 06, 2011 12:29 AM
  
yeah i think about this a lot when i think about my ascendenti have a taurus rising but my venus is conjunct pluto in scorpio in the 7th house right next to the descendent. my sun is also in libra along with my merc/mars. so im pretty venus ruled. a lot of the times i have people tell me how sweet and almost innocent i come across and trusting. then when people get to know me they see a darker nature to my feelings which i think takes them by surprise. IP: Logged |
Yrone
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posted May 06, 2011 01:24 AM
Hmmm, my Asc is Taurus, ruler Venus is in Capricorn.I do identify with her a lot but not only, the air is very tangible for me, which however could be coming from the out of sign conj. with my Aqua Mercury? IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted May 06, 2011 03:58 AM
Yrone, in your case, following Coffee's system, you come across as a Taurus but are more Capricorn-like inside.
If the ruler of ASC (Venus) makes a conjunction to another planet (Mercury), then the energy of that planet will modify the picture. So it is quite "natural" for you to feel more "airy" than a regular Asc ruler in Capricorn.IP: Logged |
Yrone
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posted May 06, 2011 04:07 AM
Well yes. The only thing I am not quite sure about is the "come across as Taurus" because quite honestly I wouldn't know how a Taurus would behave in public/1st meetings.It's very hard for me to judge the first impression I make on people or have a 3rd person PoV on my behaviour. Also, people say they can judge the Asc from physical appearance, so according to that, what should I look like? IP: Logged |
RMChex
Knowflake Posts: 430
From: England
Registered: Apr 2011
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posted May 06, 2011 04:11 AM
I understand Coffee's system and it works perfectly for me, because my Sun is in Scorpio, my Ascendant is Aquarius and its ruler, Uranus is in Scorpio, in 8th house (naturally Scorpio) conjunct Mercury. I am Scorpio through and through, but I don't know whether the outside world sees it or not, I suspect they probably see me as more of an Aquarius, because I can appear very changeable and I'm incredibly unpredictable and anxious.I can't understand how the rest of my chart works under Coffee's scheme though. (That said, I can't work it out under traditional rules either, it just confuses me! :-( ) Rachel ------------------
Where possible, give people a piece of your heart, not a piece of your mind. IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted May 06, 2011 04:13 AM
http://www.elbertwade.com/page99.html Depends on the degree/decan of your ASC. Basically a Taurus ASC makes you Venusian, calm, polite, always seeking peace and harmony, sensual, and quite beautiful. IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted May 06, 2011 04:16 AM
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Originally posted by RMChex:
I can't understand how the rest of my chart works under Coffee's scheme though. (That said, I can't work it out under traditional rules either, it just confuses me! :-( )
Yes actually me neither.
I don't see how we can stop using the planets' energies. To me, Sun is identity, not the 1st house..
Same for the Moon and the 4th or whatever else house. But maybe we're being too narrow-minded!
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RMChex
Knowflake Posts: 430
From: England
Registered: Apr 2011
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posted May 06, 2011 05:08 AM
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Yes actually me neither.
I don't see how we can stop using the planets' energies.To me, Sun is identity, not the 1st house..
Same for the Moon and the 4th or whatever else house. But maybe we're being too narrow-minded!
Even with traditional methods, I'm only capable of understanding one planet and one sign, or one planet one house - I can't combine all 3 or add in an aspect; I wish wish wish I could understand it better, but I cannot keep my mind focussed so I just don't get it. I'm so jealous of everyone here, I wish I understood it better aaaaaaaaaaaargggggggh!!!
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Where possible, give people a piece of your heart, not a piece of your mind. IP: Logged |
maira
Knowflake Posts: 413
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posted May 06, 2011 05:16 AM
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Originally posted by RMChex:
Even with traditional methods, I'm only capable of understanding one planet and one sign, or one planet one house - I can't combine all 3 or add in an aspect; I wish wish wish I could understand it better, but I cannot keep my mind focussed so I just don't get it. I'm so jealous of everyone here, I wish I understood it better aaaaaaaaaaaargggggggh!!!
You will! It was the same for me six years ago when I came here. I didn't post a thing, I don't think I even had a username, but I browsed the archive every day (the one in astrology 1.0). Trust me, you will 
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maira
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posted May 06, 2011 05:25 AM
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Originally posted by Aya_and_baby:
If it helps, I have red hair too, Sagittarius rising, BUT Mercury closely conjunct my rising
Red hair would be genetics
The Gemeni rising is indeed talkative and youthful, even in old age. The distinctive physical trait for Sag asc is a fuller bottom lip (think Brad Pitt, Elvis and prince William) and most of the time horse like, big teeth (sorry lol) IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted May 06, 2011 05:31 AM
Don't worry Rachel, soon you'll be just as good as everyone else here. And by the way, everyone is not so good at astrology here yet, I, for example, only have the basics.IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted May 06, 2011 05:31 AM
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RMChex
Knowflake Posts: 430
From: England
Registered: Apr 2011
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posted May 06, 2011 05:35 AM
Thanks maira and doux reve, I just wish my mind would slow down and be more methodical but I can't control it, lol, it runs at a million mph all the time!I've just posted my chart on a separate, "indulge me" thread lol so i can stop taking over coffee's brilliant thread. oops! Rachel x ------------------
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Doux Rêve
Knowflake Posts: 573
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posted May 06, 2011 05:38 AM
Haha right Rachel
I'll take a look.IP: Logged |
Aya_and_baby
Knowflake Posts: 737
From: Space (and sometimes Antwerp)
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 06, 2011 06:17 AM
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Originally posted by maira:
Red hair would be genetics
The Gemeni rising is indeed talkative and youthful, even in old age. The distinctive physical trait for Sag asc is a fuller bottom lip (think Brad Pitt, Elvis and prince William) and most of the time horse like, big teeth (sorry lol)
Thankfully I don't have teeth that big 
I do have a fuller lower lip, although my lips are generally very full anyway (not Angelina Jolie-like but you can see they're full) - the strange thing is that I get the full and bigger lower lip from my dad, but he has Virgo rising. And his lower lip is more distinctively bigger! Odd... ------------------
Scorp sun , Gem moon, Cap mars and Sag nearly everything else! Well, except Pluto and Saturn :p IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted May 06, 2011 06:19 AM
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Originally posted by Aya_and_baby:
Thankfully I don't have teeth that big I do have a fuller lower lip, although my lips are generally very full anyway (not Angelina Jolie-like but you can see they're full) - the strange thing is that I get the full and bigger lower lip from my dad, but he has Virgo rising. And his lower lip is more distinctively bigger! Odd...
Well maybe his Mercury is in Saggie?? (or in aspect with Jupiter)
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SmilingHeart
Knowflake Posts: 141
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posted May 06, 2011 06:33 AM
Isn't the lower lip almost always bigger than the upper lip? *confused*IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
Knowflake Posts: 573
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posted May 06, 2011 06:36 AM
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Originally posted by SmilingHeart:
Isn't the lower lip almost always bigger than the upper lip? *confused*
 Well, apparently not.
Mine isn't.
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Aya_and_baby
Knowflake Posts: 737
From: Space (and sometimes Antwerp)
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 06, 2011 06:38 AM
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Well maybe his Mercury is in Saggie?? (or in aspect with Jupiter)
LOL trying to make the theory work here
He only has mars in Saggie ------------------
Scorp sun , Gem moon, Cap mars and Sag nearly everything else! Well, except Pluto and Saturn :p IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
Knowflake Posts: 573
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posted May 06, 2011 06:42 AM
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Originally posted by Aya_and_baby:
He only has mars in Saggie
Oh well.
Genetics, again! IP: Logged |
Aya_and_baby
Knowflake Posts: 737
From: Space (and sometimes Antwerp)
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 06, 2011 06:43 AM
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Originally posted by SmilingHeart:
Isn't the lower lip almost always bigger than the upper lip? *confused*
That man I mentioned before with the Gem rising, has a bigger upper lip! It's pretty uncommon, but it happens. Usually people have roughly the same size lips ------------------
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Aya_and_baby
Knowflake Posts: 737
From: Space (and sometimes Antwerp)
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 06, 2011 06:44 AM
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Oh well.
Genetics, again!
Actually, his mother doesn't have it Don't know about his father since no one seems to know who that is  ------------------
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Doux Rêve
Knowflake Posts: 573
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posted May 06, 2011 06:55 AM
Oh okay.
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Doux Rêve
Knowflake Posts: 573
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posted May 06, 2011 07:05 AM
Coffee, sorry for highjacking your thread  .IP: Logged |
maira
Knowflake Posts: 413
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posted May 06, 2011 07:20 AM
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Originally posted by SmilingHeart:
Isn't the lower lip almost always bigger than the upper lip? *confused*
I can't find the word in English, I meant bigger but also... um, not protruding, but it bends distinctively at the margin of the lip towards the chin (English is not my main language, so it's hard sometimes to explain, I know the exact term in my language. Maybe someone could look at the pictures of the people I mentioned and tell me the word, it bugs the hell out of me ) I'm sorry for derailing the thread too :flowers: IP: Logged |
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