posted May 06, 2011 09:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Benedict Moon*:
The one thing I can take from this theory is that I do identify with my Asc Ruler sign with its house placement and aspects, its just my actual Ascendant I'm still iffy on. I'm not a very ambitious or goal-orientated Capricorn Asc at all. I don't want to climb to the top, I just want to do what I like and have the financial security to be able to live life they way I want to. Im wondering if my chart ruler being in the 12th just totally dissolves Capricorn traits? Or maybe its the Sag influence? Or maybe even the opposition to my sun...I've heard with oppositions you totally own one part and forget the other.

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I'm sure there is more to Capricorn than seeking to climb to the top by doing whatever. Security seems a Cancer word, though Cap has been used some of the time. Glad you recognise some part of it.

posted May 07, 2011 04:12 AM            

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Originally posted by Coffee:
I have Sun, Mercury, Saturn, and Pluto in Libra. Don't feel much Libra at all.

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Well you definitely don't come across as a Libra.
That's probably due to your ASC and the system you use.

posted May 07, 2011 06:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Coffee:
The sign in which the ruler of the ASC (personality) is in tells you what their real personality is like. Just as the Sun would in the old and tired way of doing astrology.

In order to get to this way of thinking, you need to look at astrology from a house point of view, as opposed to a planet point of view

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posted May 07, 2011 07:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Well you definitely don't come across as a Libra.
That's probably due to your ASC and the system you use.

However, if Saturn conjuncts one of your personal planets, that could explain the "restricted" Libran traits. Same with Pluto.. that would make you more Capricorn-like and Scorpio-like. (JUST my theory, I may be totally wrong on this).

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posted May 07, 2011 07:42 AM            

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Originally posted by abcd efg:
Coffee, First let me thank you for this thread. And now pl tell me, in Vedic astro my ASC is Sagi and ASC lord is in Virgo. While in Western astro ASC is Capi and ASC lord is in Pisces. Now which one should i consider?

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posted May 07, 2011 01:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Coffee:
I looked at that interpretation too, but cancelled it out when I realised that kind of negative influence would be more apparent in a quincunx or opposition, as the action seems negative.

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posted May 07, 2011 04:24 PM            

I am a 3rd decan Gemini,3rd decan gem is ruled by uranus/aqua

i also have 2nd decan aqua rising,2nd decan aqua rising is ruled by mercury/gem

also have mercury in Gem

posted May 09, 2011 04:52 AM            

I am a pisces rising... so should i look at jupiter in leo or neptune in Cap??

and what does that mean if it is in that sign??

posted May 09, 2011 07:20 AM            

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Virgo rising with Mercury in Virgo means you have a mask that is same as your personality. A straightforward as you are personality. No mask. Even though you would.

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Hm.. I have this also in Virgo (with ruler almost exact conjunct asc.)

So hello SmilingHeart! I guess in a way we're supposed to be likeminded.. (never expected someone to meet with it)

I must say I can not only indentify myself a lot with many Virgo traits but also a LOT with the exact square Saturn is making to it. This was the big confrontation/shock when I first laid my eyes on my own chart.. because it was *ME*.

posted May 09, 2011 08:56 AM            

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Originally posted by aniketkno:
Ok question...

I am a pisces rising... so should i look at jupiter in leo or neptune in Cap??

and what does that mean if it is in that sign??

i am very confused abt house rulers?!?!

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Neptune is the ruler of Pisces, not Jupiter - that was around in the olden days when no outer planets were there.

This means that you come across as a Pisces rising when you meet someone for the first time, but when your real personality, when one gets to know you is that of Capricorn rising, as your 1st ruler, neptune, is placed in the SIGN of Capricorn.

House rulers...
Use WHOLE SIGN house system and modern rulers (ie Neptune rules Pisces)

Each sign has a planet associated with it. When you create a chart, you have 12 houses, with one sign going on each of these houses. Look to which sign is on a house, then look at which planet is associated with that sign. This is a house ruler.

House rulers of signs...

Aries - MARS
Taurus - VENUS
Gemini - MERCURY
Cancer - MOON
Leo - SUN
Virgo - MERCURY
Libra - VENUS
Scorpio - PLUTO
Sagittarius - JUPITER
Capricorn - SATURN
Aquarius - URANUS
Pisces - NEPTUNE

If you are Pisces rising, that means you have Pisces on house 1. The house ruler of house 1 is NEPTUNE as Neptune is the ruler of Pisces.

posted May 10, 2011 07:26 PM            

however i have intercepted signs and duplicate signs!

anyways i think i will look more into a different post for that information!

posted May 11, 2011 06:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Coffee:
Yeah, I'm making it up, just like these astrologers 'made up' your sun sign being your personality. Yes, I know you have to reverse lots of astrology teaching in order for this to work. 'Did I look at my chart wrong this whole time?, no it can't be, this must be wrong'

Just a logical way of looking at things. It has been scientifically researched (without looking) that we do have a mask for social situations, and sometimes act different than we do normally.

Go with whatever is right for you.

The information is here.

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posted May 11, 2011 06:42 AM            

ASC= taurus

Venus in cancer= I feel like a true cancerian (but my sun is in cancer as well though)

ruler of 4th house= sun in cancer. I feel very cancer in my emotional approach and neediness. I have moon in gemini though. I am super curios and get excited about learning. If i apply Morin theories to this, I would say that my AC in taurus is the sign of moon exaltation. so my moon is sort of a co-ruler of the ascendent and moon in gemini.

posted May 11, 2011 04:54 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:
Coffee:
Hm.. I have this also in Virgo (with ruler almost exact conjunct asc.)

So hello SmilingHeart! I guess in a way we're supposed to be likeminded.. (never expected someone to meet with it)

I must say I can not only indentify myself a lot with many Virgo traits but also a LOT with the exact square Saturn is making to it. This was the big confrontation/shock when I first laid my eyes on my own chart.. because it was *ME*.

Not a bad idea to take Asc + Asc ruler as a starting point of every astro related thread here... hmmm my Virgo-being would love to keep things in line

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Hey there!

posted May 12, 2011 11:11 AM            

I was thinking about your theory in the morning and thought about my Midheaven, which is in acuarios. which ruler you will apply. if use saturn, my saturn is in aries. If I use uranus, my uranus is in virgo.

Frankly, I dont see anything in my public life, recognition, that can be related to virgo, but to aries YES.

posted May 12, 2011 11:30 AM            

Do you think they would be happy saying my predictions were wrong because I didn't account for these new planets? Or do you think they stuck with what they knew, because otherwise their previous predictions would have been wrong?

posted May 13, 2011 11:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Coffee:

Have you checked 10th ruler, as well as MC?

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I think it is shared acuarios/piscis. using equal house system, is that the one you suggested right? I have the midheaven in acuarios in house nine. House nine is ruled by saturn in aries.

10 house is shared by acuarios/piscis, but the cusp is acuarios.

The only thing i can relate to virgo thinking again is that both of my parents and virgo sun.

posted May 14, 2011 11:38 AM            

I have my Asc in Taurus- Ruler is Venus and sign on Venus is Scorpio.

So I am a Scorpion?

I think relationships are more telling as to whom you think you are, and how you come across to others etc.

I have my sun in Sagittatius, I've never really felt an attraction to Scorpio's -despite my moon in Cancer and Venus there.

My sun does however reside in the 8th house. But I still mantain that , although I may be the rare, quiet, very reserved and introverted Sagittarian.I strongly identify with this sign.

There is always a test that I do, to see if astrology really is accurate.
Whenever I meet new people , I tend to take note of whom I am most drawn to? Whom do I form a lasting friendhsip with? Whom can I relate to effortlessly? This is way before I become aware of their astrological sun signs etc.

The people that I always seem to click with are masculine signs i.e Sag, Leo, Aries,Libra,Gemini, Aquarius. Rarely do I hit it off with the feminine signs i.e Cancer, Scorpio,Pisces, Taurus, Capricorn and Virgo. These signs seem to work better for me at work or in the short-term.

posted May 24, 2011 08:54 AM            

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Originally posted by AscTaurus:
Hmmm...am not really convinced.

I have my Asc in Taurus- Ruler is Venus and sign on Venus is Scorpio.

So I am a Scorpion?

I think relationships are more telling as to whom you think you are, and how you come across to others etc.

I have my sun in Sagittatius, I've never really felt an attraction to Scorpio's -despite my moon in Cancer and Venus there.

My sun does however reside in the 8th house. But I still mantain that , although I may be the rare, quiet, very reserved and introverted Sagittarian.I strongly identify with this sign.

There is always a test that I do, to see if astrology really is accurate.
Whenever I meet new people , I tend to take note of whom I am most drawn to? Whom do I form a lasting friendhsip with? Whom can I relate to effortlessly? This is way before I become aware of their astrological sun signs etc.

The people that I always seem to click with are masculine signs i.e Sag, Leo, Aries,Libra,Gemini, Aquarius. Rarely do I hit it off with the feminine signs i.e Cancer, Scorpio,Pisces, Taurus, Capricorn and Virgo. These signs seem to work better for me at work or in the short-term.

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Yes, Scorpion, with the mask of Taurus on first meeting you. This combination says that you appear the opposite of what you actually are.