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Topic: Sexual Orientation
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NativelyJoan
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posted April 22, 2012 01:39 AM
 
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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
Also, for the people with the strong Scorpio/8th house influence, do you find yourself having an unusual effect on others sexually? Like you get unwarranted attention or many people of the same sex, who normally profess to be heterosexual, seem really into you? It might sound conceited but it's true for me. It's kind of like I bring out 'the forbidden' in them. I've made more than a few 'straight' guys question themselves.
Oh I love this topic. Bumping up this thread. I like what ^ you said about Scorpio/Pluto/8th house energy attracts people sexual regardless of sexual preference. They might not even be aware of it. I think my sexual intensity is palpable with all my 8th house energy. I tend to project some major sexual heat and intensity. It's draws all kinds of people to me. To me sexuality is fluid and it's many things. I really don't like how we've got this obsession in our society of trying to categorize or classify everything about ourselves including our sexual nature. All we achieve by doing that is limiting ourselves. We should be sexually open and adventurous. I do think human sexuality is a bit complicated to fully understand. I'd just characterize myself as a very sexual person who doesn't discriminate in any context. However, I've only been with men and I'm sexually attracted to very strong men physically who also have strong minds. I think women are incredible, were all gorgeous. But I'm balanced most through being with a man and they are more sexually satisfying. Take that for what you want. I refuse to define myself sexually and to fall into societal gender role trappings and masculine/feminine limiting ideologies. Libra Sun, Moon and Mars in Aries, Pluto in the 8th, Aquarius Rising
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FireMoon
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posted April 22, 2012 02:49 AM
I guess my opinion on this as many have said is that sexuality is far from a black and white issue. It is more *socially acceptable* for girls to be sexually attracted to girls than the other way around, and I do believe social norms influence people’s behaviors. I guess from my opinion, I think that if everyone was able to strip away the shame and repression associated with same sex attraction, much more people would be able to openly experience it in some way. I’m a girl and I definitely consider myself straight, I’ve only ever dated guys, but if I’m honest I could be sexually attracted to girls too, although not nearly to the same extent as with guys, and it’s not something I would really ever act on. I also could never really see myself having an emotional attachment to a girl. Anyway, as other people have said I think sexual attraction exists on a spectrum. Romantic attraction and emotional attachments are another topic that I’m not really ready to tackle. I have Venus in Aquarius in 8th house, these are probably the most controversial placements I have lol… quote:
Originally posted by Xiiro:
Don't worry, it is nothing close to the peak of happiness. I have consumed lots of E in all sorts of settings. Anyone who believes that feeling is the peak has never heard great music, hiked to the top of a mountain, been to Hawaii, or dove into the pacific ocean at sunset. I'm not advocating drug use, I'm just stating that MDMA doesn't deserve that high of a pedestal in my experience. L2Meditate, that's where the crazy **** is at. =)
Xiiro, I love your response. I’ve taken ecstacy, and I’ve also lived in Hawaii and hiked to the top of maountains and been to the pacific at night…. E doesn’t compare! Plus it’s not a good idea anyway lol you never know what you’re getting and it’ highly unlikely that it’s pure MDMA… That might have marked the heights of my drug induced experiences, but it doesn’t compare to the warmth and fulfillment these other experiences will always have in my heart. The good aspects of my life aren’t tainted by this, my eyes have merely been opened to their real value  IP: Logged |
neptunicity
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posted April 22, 2012 07:17 AM
From what i've read, gemini and pisces are the signs most likely prone to be gay or bisexual. Aspect-wise, i've read that mars trine neptune and venus-uranus aspects may make someone bisexual or "experimental" in sex.IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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posted April 22, 2012 10:10 AM
Personally, I think it's a combination of genetic and astrological factors. People are born gay or bisexual, but certain aspects/placements might make them less likely to try to fight it or remain closeted.IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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posted April 22, 2012 10:15 AM
I've often read that Uranian placements are tied to homosexuality or sexual experimentation (as well as the sun signs Gemini and Pisces being given to homosexuality), and I know that with a Venus in Aquarius/Aquarius stellium, if I were gay I would not be ashamed of it or denying that part of myself, I would embrace it. The fact of the matter is that while I can appreciate the beauty of other women, it's an objective appreciation, like admiring that of a painting. I do not have a desire to sleep with other women and this is just my innate impulses, I cannot control them. I think that people are far less in control of their sexual attractions or what "does it" for them than social conservatives would have us believe. Of course in some instances it's essential that the sexual attraction be denied or subdued (such as in the case of attraction to people who are underage).IP: Logged |
Fondue Knight
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posted April 22, 2012 10:18 AM
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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
Personally, I think it's a combination of genetic and astrological factors. People are born gay or bisexual, but certain aspects/placements might make them less likely to try to fight it or remain closeted.
I like this theory.  Going along these lines, there are probably certain aspects that can make one more open to experimenting with different types of sexual situations/combinations/permutations, etc. Like, for example, Neptune running amok and creating mass confusion for someone in the sexual attraction department, thus making them want to sample the entire menu to see what they like.  IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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posted April 22, 2012 10:48 AM
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Originally posted by tautomer4314:
I have always been amazed at how common it is for people to not know their sexuality, or what they are attracted to. I know that it is legitimate, but it's so hard for me to empathize with it. To me it's always just been intrinsic and, well, simple. My identity and everything to it doesn't require much thought, it simply is what it is and I don't have to "search" to find it.
I am much the same. Again I think it's partially genetic and partially astrological. I am just as straight as they come and I've always known this, but then I've always known what I am in a broader sense too - 44% fixed, as per Pullen. Probably only a Taurus could knock me off my stubborn feet.
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PixieJane
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posted April 22, 2012 11:46 AM
I thought it worth mentioning that plenty of gay people with a twin sibling find the other twin is heterosexual. I forget the exact numbers.Perhaps astrology can explain why someone is gay the same way it can explain why someone is left handed. Though my GUESS is that if there's something in astrology that can reveal a strong tendency this way then it's in the asteroids. IP: Logged |
NativelyJoan
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posted April 22, 2012 12:24 PM
In my opinion, I think understanding the sexual nature of humans and human sexuality is a fairly complicated process. I think people who are ambivalent about their sexuality could possibly be this way because we don't know enough about human nature and understanding human sexuality is complicated. As a human race we still don't know everything there is to know about our species or human nature. Yet we're all different and can only go off of what we know and our personal understanding of the world. I personally think there is nothing wrong with not knowing. It leaves room for flexibility, discovery and acceptance.I don't really think astrology can explain sexual orientation. It's like taking limiting societal concepts about sexuality and masculinity and femininity and applying what I'd consider a very tainted psychological lens to astrology. That's just my own personal understanding though. To me it's reaching attempting to connect societal knowledge of sexual orientation with astrology. Only because human sexuality is complicated to understand and humans are just so different. Maybe I've just read way too much Freud. Who knows. IP: Logged |
sweet-scorpion
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posted April 22, 2012 01:02 PM
I am bisexual. I guess some of my natal chart aspects contribute to it, according to what I've read here and elsewhere. Mars opp. Neptune
Mars opp. Uranus
Mars in Cancer in the 8th
Venus sextile Uranus
Venus sextile Neptune
Venus in Scorpio in the 11th (so more Uranian influences I guess)
8H ruler highly aspected, includes Neptune & Uranus trines I can see a lot of my aspects playing out in my sexuality. Venus in Scorpio makes me an intense person, especially with love. I also have Venus conjunct Pluto, so that only adds to it. I feel Venus in the 11th represents more of my ability to fulfill my deepest dreams, but I guess you can say it colors my Venus with Uranian influences further, since I have Venus sextile Uranus. I feel the Venus-Uranus contact along with the 8H being so colored by Cancerian influences with Mars there is what lead me to be bisexual. I look to women as less of sex objects and more as loving and comforting people who I can be myself around in a relationship because I never got that from any woman in my life. Don't get me wrong, I'm not implying sexuality like this is a choice or caused by upbringing environment, it's just that's what I seek if I choose a same-sex partner. And I believe the Cancer influences on the 8th and the Moon being the 8H ruler add to it. I also think that having hard aspects to Mars from Uranus and Neptune have made me unsure of my sexuality at times... I'm pretty sure other users have said that here? I find it interesting, the theory about gay women embracing their Mars more than their Venus, and gay men embracing their Venus more than their Mars with sexuality. It sounds totally plausible. I also noticed some have said that a high Scorpio influence in some cases could influence your sexuality, and I agree with that as well. I am very Scorpionic, combined with being very Uranian, so maybe that's why I'm more of an open free-spirit when it comes to all things in life including relationships. My views in general are very... different to others around me, even though I'm not perverted. I'm just the opposite of straight-laced and sadly many I know are. I also agree that a strong Scorpio influence could make people who you are not sexually attracted to at all become interested in you. I have felt that with my Venus-Pluto conjunction many times, especially since Venus is in H11, and many friends I've made have become inappropriately obsessed with me. There is definitely a darker side to Scorpio sexuality. BTW: I hope I don't make anyone uncomfortable with what I say, I am just very forthright about sexuality and have no embarrassment sharing when it is appropriate to do so. I blame my 8H Mars...  ------------------
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peachbeigeblue
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posted April 22, 2012 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by ElizabethO:
Well, homosexuality , when it comes down to it, is almost an entirely physical preference. I had a Capricorn friend in college who was gay because she found the penis to be disgusting and women's bodies to be much more beautiful. With that said, she's actually dating a man now and we've drifted apart so I'm not quite sure what happened... She did once kiss a male friend for fun then suddenly fell in love with him because of it.... so who knows.
Point is, if we are to look at this astrologically, I guess it would only be logical to look at the planets that rule our sexual preferences and what aspects would foster a preference for one own's gender. Venus and Mars. They manifest differently between men and women. We should also look to the 8th house since that is the house of sexuality. So there's a start. Will write more later.
My sister is a capricorn. She is/was bisexual? But he never shaved her head. Her last two relationships were with men but she had three serious girlfriends - two she lived with. We don't know her birthtime but she has Venus in scorpio semi-sextile her Libra mars. She also has mercury sextile Venus and Venus conjunct saturn. IP: Logged |
virgolotus
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posted April 22, 2012 06:49 PM
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
I thought it worth mentioning that plenty of gay people with a twin sibling find the other twin is heterosexual. I forget the exact numbers.Perhaps astrology can explain why someone is gay the same way it can explain why someone is left handed. Though my GUESS is that if there's something in astrology that can reveal a strong tendency this way then it's in the asteroids.
I know some Capricorn twins, one girl and one boy that are both gay. It intrigues me hahaha. I looked at their chart once, I just remember them having an Aquarius Venus. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted April 22, 2012 07:08 PM
I personally don't think there is a way to tell with the chart, because I have a lot of supposed indicators of homosexuality in my chart,and I'm as straight as an arrow, heavy aqua energies mixed with a prominent afflicted Venus, plus Venus square Pluto, also what about people born the same day being gay and straight, for example my brother is straight and my gay friend is of course gay and they were born same day, almost identical charts.IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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posted April 22, 2012 07:27 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I personally don't think there is a way to tell with the chart, because I have a lot of supposed indicators of homosexuality in my chart,and I'm as straight as an arrow, heavy aqua energies mixed with a prominent afflicted Venus, plus Venus square Pluto, also what about people born the same day being gay and straight, for example my brother is straight and my gay friend is of course gay and they were born same day, almost identical charts.
Mhmmm, that's exactly what I mean. I think certain chart indicators just make people who are genetically gay or bi more open to accepting this about themselves.
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fenia
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posted April 22, 2012 10:06 PM
I am bisexual. I am libra sun, capricorn mars. I have aquarius ASC that Q uranus, mars semi-sextile Uranus and sun semi-square uranus. I also have sappho conjunct my moon. Anyway, I think uranus has a lot to do with it, Aquarius also. I have noticed many lesbians are virgo and capricorn.IP: Logged |
Desiring Shadows
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posted April 22, 2012 11:16 PM
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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
I think having either Venus or Mars in close aspect to a transpersonal planet: Uranus/Neptune/Pluto... can make one very different when it comes to sexuality.
But there are many ways in which a person can go against the grain... so those aspects don't necessarily indicate homosexuality.Also, when I say 'go against the grain'... I don't mean to imply that it is a conscious choice or decision. They quite naturally end up going against the grain purely in virtue of being *themselves*.
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Desiring Shadows
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posted April 22, 2012 11:37 PM
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Originally posted by ElizabethO:
Okay, my theory: I believe that homosexuality can be indicated by a "role reversal" found between Venus and Mars. Let me explain.In women, when it comes to sexuality, Venus is how we attract men. It's our "active" planet. Mars is what we are attracted to - our "passive" planet. When a woman is homosexual or bisexual, her "active" sexual planet is Mars, thus Venus becomes "passive". It sort of explains my Capricorn friend from college. She had no attraction (almost a distaste) for the male physique, but was extremely attracted to the female physique. She also would tell me about her dreams where she was a man. She would fantasize about having genitalia and what it would be like to make love to her girlfriend. Every year, she went through the ritual of shaving her head because she felt more natural that way. I believe that she associated herself with her Mars (masculine) energy and her sexuality was more [b]focused on the essence on of her Venus, her feminine ideal. Does that make sense? For example, tautomer4314 associates himself much more with his Gemini Venus than his Cancer Mars, so much as to feel that his Cancer Mars is weak. Hence, a role reversal. His psyche is focused on embracing his "feminine" energy, therefore his Mars becomes his romantic ideal... Venus rules over subjects such as:
http://www.myastrologybook.com/Venus-in-astrology.htm
--- In conclusion, homosexuality occurs when a man does not identify with his Mars, or a woman does not identify with her Venus. This is where placement and aspects come into play. There are several factors that can come into play, found evident in the different forms of sexuality seen today - such as bisexuality, transsexuality, asexuality. A woman can either have a "weak" Venus or strong Mars (or both). Same with a man. Then there are aspects to planets such as Uranus, Saturn, and Pluto. Aspects to the 8th House ruler is also important. So... any thoughts? I'm pretty sure no one will comment because no one ever listens to my theories. :\[/B]
Elizabeth, I think you're genius. I know my venus is there but I tend to play around with mars a bit. Perhaps you can say its a blending o th energies.. or maybe that's my venus aspects, not sure... My nepune nd uranus are in the 8th,uranus cusp of 9th plus square to venus and mercury. I notice everything a person does. Fantastic abolutely phenomenal insight to the point of insanity and confusion. I.e.; Ill notice the pattern of laughter and when and for what reasons they occur but not what the speakers talking about. Sometimes I do mute that part out (mostly because I find what I'm dissecting intellctually more intriguing). Lol. Nice theory! *Thumbs up*
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posted April 23, 2012 12:14 AM
To put it in short, I feel like its easy. I love boys....why do I love boys? Certainly not for there style. Not for their body type because I, like a robot, feel little to no desire to hump one. Lol.
If I were friends with them and appreciated their personality and who they were, sure. But why sure? Because to me it I am indifferent. I personally get a long better with females. They usually feel most comfortably around me and never are boring in the least. Boys are entertaning,sure. I just hate when they make flirtacious jokes or make things supposedly "awkward" as if they secretly like me? Emphasis on the secretly, surely that's what I'm focusing on. I joke round like that with girls also...but the fact they don't hide the fact that they're waiting desperately for that little ounce of feedback on my part makes me like girls more. Listening like they want me. How disgusting! Lol. Who wants to hear that? Flesh and blood. Muscle and sweat. Do you think I want o imagine being with a sibling? That is just how I feel when a friend, usualy male, who I am not as intune with intellectually jokes romantically. Girls can really turn me on in the sphere that we rejut friends so they feel comfortable bing thbeir total wacky selves.
In the end, this is from my experience. If I had all of this with a boy, then id be just as happy.
The one true event that prevents me from being physically with females is my parents. My sisters. My friends. Relatives. People who will look at me grossly. Like I'm attracted to a rodent, that's how tgheyll see it... and us libras care unrulying so about how we re percieved amongst society. If I ever fall in love with a girl, and I want to be with her, ill do it. Lol whenever they ask, "Rachel, are you gay?" Ill say, "no." Then walk off with my gf. "Why do you keep telling us your straight if you have a gf?" I told you .. *makesout with girlfriend. Pauses* I'm not at all into the ladies. So wll you please?" Then a chuckle. Haha, that's exacty how the situation will run down, I assure you.
Venus libra in the 5th square uranus capricorn in the 8th early 9 and neptune capricorn in the 8th
Mercry in 5th libra conjuct venus in 5t libra
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Elle_Scorpious
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posted April 23, 2012 04:19 AM
I'm Bisexual.
I have 5 male and 5 female signs in my chart.
Sun Scorpio
Libra Rising
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Maka
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posted April 23, 2012 06:45 AM
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Originally posted by Desiring Shadows:
To put it in short, I feel like its easy. I love boys....why do I love boys? Certainly not for there style. Not for their body type because I, like a robot, feel little to no desire to hump one. Lol.
If I were friends with them and appreciated their personality and who they were, sure. But why sure? Because to me it I am indifferent. I personally get a long better with females. They usually feel most comfortably around me and never are boring in the least. Boys are entertaning,sure. I just hate when they make flirtacious jokes or make things supposedly "awkward" as if they secretly like me? Emphasis on the secretly, surely that's what I'm focusing on. I joke round like that with girls also...but the fact they don't hide the fact that they're waiting desperately for that little ounce of feedback on my part makes me like girls more. Listening like they want me. How disgusting! Lol. Who wants to hear that? Flesh and blood. Muscle and sweat. Do you think I want o imagine being with a sibling? That is just how I feel when a friend, usualy male, who I am not as intune with intellectually jokes romantically. Girls can really turn me on in the sphere that we rejut friends so they feel comfortable bing thbeir total wacky selves.
In the end, this is from my experience. If I had all of this with a boy, then id be just as happy.
The one true event that prevents me from being physically with females is my parents. My sisters. My friends. Relatives. People who will look at me grossly. Like I'm attracted to a rodent, that's how tgheyll see it... and us libras care unrulying so about how we re percieved amongst society. If I ever fall in love with a girl, and I want to be with her, ill do it. Lol whenever they ask, "Rachel, are you gay?" Ill say, "no." Then walk off with my gf. "Why do you keep telling us your straight if you have a gf?" I told you .. *makesout with girlfriend. Pauses* I'm not at all into the ladies. So wll you please?" Then a chuckle. Haha, that's exacty how the situation will run down, I assure you.
Venus libra in the 5th square uranus capricorn in the 8th early 9 and neptune capricorn in the 8th
Mercry in 5th libra conjuct venus in 5t libra
Wow, just wow. I felt like I was writing this from my secret diary. I've never really had close male friends and have always felt comfortable around females. Though I've been in relationships with both sexes, I think overall I stay with men because of my need not to make "ripples" in my overtly religious family. Though I akin myself to a pansexual if a label was needed, but most of the time I love whom I love. Virgo Sun in the 8th house or 9th house
Moon in the Pisces in the 3rd house
Leo Venus RX in the 8th house
Mars in Virgo in the 9th house
Pluto in Scorpio in the 10th or 11th house Sun Trine Uranus
Venus conjuct Jupiter and Mercury
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Azakeal
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posted April 23, 2012 07:09 AM
I dont know if there are any reliable chart factors to indicate sexual orientation. I read once that Sun in negative aspect to Uranus for men or Sun in negative aspect to Moon for women can be an indicator. But I dont have such an aspect and I'm gay. hmm... ------------------
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Aquacheeka
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posted April 23, 2012 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by Azakeal:
I dont know if there are any reliable chart factors to indicate sexual orientation. I read once that Sun in negative aspect to Uranus for men or Sun in negative aspect to Moon for women can be an indicator. But I dont have such an aspect and I'm gay. hmm...
What are your Venus and Mars signs? Do they contact Uranus or Neptune at all? Are you a Gemini or a Pisces?
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posted April 24, 2012 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
What are your Venus and Mars signs? Do they contact Uranus or Neptune at all? Are you a Gemini or a Pisces?
Hey Aqua, I have Venus in Cancer trine Uranus in Scorpio and Mars in Scorpio semi-square Neptune in Sag. Im Virgo Sun (with Pisces rising) :P ------------------
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posted April 24, 2012 05:30 PM
This is interesting. I'm a gay male, and I have Venus in Capricorn, conjunct both Neptune AND Uranus. My Mars doesn't really have any aspects between those two planets.IP: Logged |
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posted April 24, 2012 05:46 PM
Venus Libra square Neptune and Uranus
Virgo Sun, Mars Gemini 8H------------------
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