posted March 12, 2012 03:57 PM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
well if you care to post your chart for a proper evaluation? Do you have a lot of earth planets per chance?

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I have a singleton Cap sun, and with Leo rising, that is my chart ruler.

Do you think that's why I've made the most of my Neptune handicap?

posted March 12, 2012 04:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
My impression of you, Ceri is that you cab express anger directly. You can stand up for yourself very directly. That is not what *I* think of a Mars in the 12th House.

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Thank you. It is a great praise and confirmation for me.

It is a learning process though, and it still goes on.

For many years in my life I was not even able to FEEL anger; now it is quite relieving for me to know when I am angry and to express it adaequately. It has to do with setting boundaries, which is another issue and "field of work".

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posted March 12, 2012 05:26 PM            

I have Neptune singleton in the 7th, sextile Pluto in the 5th, and sextile Jupiter in the 9th. Completing this triangle is a trine between 5th Pluto and 9th Jupiter.

Neptune in 7th also opposes my moon in 1st and quincunxes my Mars (placed squarely) in the 12th.

I feel my Neptune pretty strongly in my sensitivity to environment, particularly to the energies of people.

I think I get what you mean by "dissolve," as in boundaries disappearing.

I feel this most strongly in 2 areas-

1) My relationship with my mother and my man-
I have shared the exact same dreams w/ them, same time, same night. When I moved away from home to live on my own, I would hear my mother's voice calling out to me. These would be times when she would be thinking about me as I would later find out. Of late I've begun to pick up on my Dad's thoughts too and they play out in my dreams.

With my SO, I pick up on his thoughts awake and while asleep. When he speaks to me in my dreams I can actually smell him or feel his skin as I would if I were awake, even though in dreams the 5 senses usually take a back seat.

2) My relationship with God-I've had several revelation experiences (while awake) where the walls around me have disappeared and I've hovered in space, so to speak, while experiencing a revelation. Some of these experiences have been brief, lasting a few seconds, others have resulted in transporting me into a state of bliss lasting several days. I do not know what exactly triggers these but,usually prior, I'm flooded with feelings of pure love toward everything around me.

How do I separate these from day-to-day life? I dunno. I'm usually quite affected by them and have a sort of hunger for wanting to re-experience or experience even more. But I do not think I have any say or control over it.

Interestingly, I have Asc., moon, and Venus in Taurus w/ a whole bunch of mid-points (at least 5) crowding my 1st house. Sun is also in 1st house but at 2 Gemini.

Additionally, my moon and Venus both trine Saturn.

To top it all, I have a predominance of earth in my natal w/ a paucity of water (which is why I attract a lot of water element people in my life).

So with so much grounding in my chart, my singleton Neptune (only planet in water) is still able to make me dance to it's Neptunian tune.

Go figure!

**EDIT TO ADD**
Needless to say, my Neptunian experiences have benefited me personally. But I also use them to help others around me.

posted March 12, 2012 06:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I know I asked you this Ceri but is your 12th House Mars within 10 degrees of the ASC?

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10' orb is far too wide for me, I use 5' orb near house cusps. Perhaps another contentious area... I know others that only use 3' orbs

I would count it as 1st house, do you have a lot of physical energy? do you do any sports? running, are you competative?

Mars and neptune 12th is more of the house that I would use the word 'dissolve' and the word I would use for Neptune is Sacrifices...

basic astrology forum, Mars in signs and Houses http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000695.html
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Basic astrology forum, 12th house planets http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000666.html
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Basic astrology forum discussing Neptune in houses http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000661.html

“This conjunction can pose several difficulties: in choice of actions, where you may struggle to establish what your real aims are; in making that final decision to attempt to achieve them, and in ensuring that sufficient and persistent effort is then made to guarantee success. An unintegrated Neptune can dissolve that focused will, making decisive clarity difficult to maintain. Additionally, you tend to avoid accepting the consequences of your choices, and there can be a refusal to acknowledge responsibility when such actions lead to failure or negative results.” http://astrology.astrozoom.com/index.php?title=NEPTUNE_PARALLEL%2C_CONJUNCTION%2C_SQUARE_OR_OPPOSITION_TO_MARS http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11521

posted March 12, 2012 06:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I have Neptune conjunct Mars in 12th house, ASC and NN, and it squares chartruler Jupiter in Pisces.
ASC is on the exact midpoint of Mars/Neptune, so I think I qualify as "Neptunian", and yet I am not sure how to answer the question.
What do you mean with "dissolve"?

What I noticed is that I am hypersensitive towards environmental influences (noise, lights etc.) and also towards "emotional vibes" from others.
Sometimes it is not easy to decern if I feel another person`s feeling or if it is my own.

I have found that listening and observing my physical reactions to something is a good guideline for being certain that it really is MY feeling and not someone else`s or what I REALLY feel as opposed to what I think I feel, or should feel or fantasize about.

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posted March 12, 2012 06:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I have a singleton Cap sun, and with Leo rising, that is my chart ruler.

Do you think that's why I've made the most of my Neptune handicap?

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how would YOU describe this handicap then?

posted March 12, 2012 07:18 PM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:

Could dissolve? why not replace with *make sacrifices* or not see things clearly even...

lastly, I notice neptune sextiles saturn, giving it grounding and dose of reality.

Really we need to take into account the whole chart... but simply generics and what neptune means and stands for is the starting point.

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posted March 13, 2012 01:52 AM            

It seems the message here has pointed toward Neptune being inherently misleading and I can't agree to that being true in the cases I have studied. Of course, the unconditional nature of reality is destructive to our conditions (as it deconstructs all the structures we use to define reality). But it is a poorly aspected Neptune which leads to the refusal of perceiving important conditions. A neutral or positively aspected Neptune results in some pretty profound understandings. Many of these understandings have to do with embracing vulnerability, treating others in the same way we would want to be treated, seeing others beyond their appearance, and putting the needs of others, before our own sense of comfort.

posted March 13, 2012 02:17 AM            

RE: your quotes at the start of the thread, you're both essentially saying the same thing, right?

In a nut shell-

SaggiMC: Neptune can be tricky (reality wise) unless grounded.

Ami Anne: With a 1st house Neptune and not enough grounding thro' either Saturn or enough earth, have to work extra hard (reality wise).

"12th house is notorious for hindering expressions and 'dissovling' the ego,energies and such matters."-SaggiMC

So, with my 12th hse Mars in Quincunx to 7th Neptune, and 1st moon opposite 7th Neptune, I would have probably lost my marbles a long time ago in above mentioned experiences, had it not been for my Saturn and Taurus influence.

What is also true is that I have made h-u-g-e sacrifices in 7th hse area, in all of my relationships with friends and family.

So I think you're both right (at least from my own example). Or maybe I'm not understanding.

posted March 13, 2012 02:30 AM            

"Many of these understandings have to do with embracing vulnerability, treating others in the same way we would want to be treated, seeing others beyond their appearance, and putting the needs of others, before our own sense of comfort."

posted March 13, 2012 02:48 AM            

My astro opinion on this one - is pretty simple.

If you have an easy aspect between two planets - then it will benefit you.

If you have a hard aspect, it will be difficult.

If you have a conjunction the planets merge and live together forever more.. They are in perfect unison.. and I consider Neptune conjunctions just as blissful if not more, than the easy aspects.

That IZ all....

AH - Also... This Liz Greene derived idea that sometimes even the EASY aspects to transpersonal planets, like Neptune - can be 'negative' -- is the biggest load of... %%#%$##@@#@$@$@### - excuse my French!

posted March 13, 2012 02:50 AM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
do you have a lot of physical energy? do you do any sports? running, are you competative?

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posted March 13, 2012 02:51 AM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
replace the word dissolve with sacrifices

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No offence. Simply difference of opinion here.

posted March 13, 2012 03:08 AM            

i have asc sextile neptune. it says..
http://www.astrozoom.com/astrologer/astrology/ascendant-sextile-neptune/

i also have this because of the generational pluto sextile neptune. so i have pluto rising.

my only other aspects are a mercury trine and a venus trine.

10' orb is far too wide for me, I use 5' orb near house cusps. Perhaps another contentious area... I know others that only use 3' orbs

posted March 13, 2012 03:22 AM            

Mars and Saturn are traditionally considered malefic.
If they called Pluto malefic.. That I could *see*.
Pluto fits into the Mars/Saturn gang.. but not Neptune.

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posted March 13, 2012 03:28 AM            

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Neptune is exceedingly sinister planet though it cannot be called “malefic”; being so intimately connected with the good and the beautiful.

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I'm sure if you look this up, you'll find a few who disagree.

On wiki, they say:

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In astrology, a malefic planet, or simply malefic, is traditionally thought to bring bad luck and misfortune. Mars is considered the lesser malefic, while Saturn is the greater malefic. In modern astrology Uranus, Pluto and for some Ceres are also considered malefic.

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I'm surprised. I didn't even know about Ceres :|
But there is no mention of Neptune.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malefic_planet

And here, they are calling it a benefic - which I'm more inclined to agree with:

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In classic astrology beneficial themes are symbolized with Jupiter and Venus. By saying beneficial, we mean the concepts like virtue, wisdom, happiness, prosperity, joy and sharing. In modern astrology, we can also call Neptune as a benefic planet because Neptune is associated with altruism for the society, sensitivity, idealism, humanitarian purposes and cooperation. Neptune, being the higher octave of Venus, has also a balancing and softening quality.

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Neptune just FITS in next to Venus and Jupiter. It fits perfectly as far as I'm concerned. Jupiter is dignified in Pisces (since it co-rules Pisces with Neptune). Venus is exalted in Pisces. It just makes more sense that these planets are classed together.

posted March 13, 2012 03:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
Neptune being malefic is debatable in any astrological circle.
First of all it is considered a higher octave of Venus which is a benefic planet. So it doesn't really make sense.

Mars and Saturn are traditionally considered malefic.
If they called Pluto malefic.. That I could *see*.
Pluto fits into the Mars/Saturn gang.. but not Neptune.

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I agree with you.

posted March 13, 2012 03:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:

Neptune just FITS in next to Venus and Jupiter. It fits perfectly as far as I'm concerned. Jupiter is dignified in Pisces (since it co-rules Pisces with Neptune). Venus is exalted in Pisces. It just makes more sense that these planets are classed together.

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Great deduction!

I`ve always seen following two groups as "counterparts" of each other:

Venus - Jupiter - Neptune
Mars - Saturn - Pluto

Neptune could be *difficult*, not because it is inherently malefic, but as a transpersonal/ outer planet, we might not always access it consciously at any time.
But of course that depends on the overall chart. probably people with a lot of outer planets aspecting personal planets or angles, or even with many planets in Aquarius, Pisces or Scorpio, might be very "close" to these energies.

posted March 13, 2012 03:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
Neptune being malefic is debatable in any astrological circle.
First of all it is considered a higher octave of Venus which is a benefic planet. So it doesn't really make sense.

Mars and Saturn are traditionally considered malefic.
If they called Pluto malefic.. That I could *see*.
Pluto fits into the Mars/Saturn gang.. but not Neptune.

It's not -a lot-. It's just Liz Greene.. and her followers

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posted March 13, 2012 07:17 AM            

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Originally posted by s4nd:
soo i can read the sextile to asc as a good thing?

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posted March 13, 2012 07:20 AM            

My Neptune in 12th: people say that I go through the life as I am halb blind. It is logical, as Neptune is like a fog and doesn't allow me to see the right things at the right time.

Neptune conjunction ASC
Neptune sextile Mars
Neptune sextile Pluto (many people have it!)
Neptune trine Venus (orb is 9 degrees)
Neptune inconjunction Sun (the worst aspect for the health)
Neptune opposition Mercury

Bobbie

posted March 13, 2012 07:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by SaggiMC:
[b] replace the word dissolve with sacrifices

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No offence. Simply difference of opinion here.

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