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Yes. Probably makes you quite empathic.

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thanks ceri!

posted March 13, 2012 01:38 PM            

I'm hoping you won't miss this 'cause of the different time zones. So I'll try asking. I'm trying to understand the astrological basis in my own chart for my "Neptune experiences."

You said, "Neptune could be *difficult*, not because it is inherently malefic, but as a transpersonal/ outer planet, we might not always access it consciously at any time."

Is this difficulty in accessing more so w/ hard aspects? 'Cause my 7th Neptune opposite 1st moon and Asc., and quincunx 12th Mars seems to allow me access.

When you say "access it consciously" do you mean have some sort of conscious control over the access versus simply being aware of experiencing the energy? Because I have no control over this access. It just comes and goes.

You also said, "But of course that depends on the overall chart. probably people with a lot of outer planets aspecting personal planets or angles, or even with many planets in Aquarius, Pisces or Scorpio, might be very "close" to these energies."

Each of my outer planets is making at least 2 aspects w/ each of my inner planets. Additionally Neptune also opposes Asc. However, I do not have any planets in Aquarius, Pisces, and only one in water-Neptune.

But I do have a predominance of earth in my chart, specifically 1st hse Taurus, which also contains at least 5 mid points.

As well, my 7th Neptune sextiles 5th Pluto and sextiles 9th Jupiter.

With all the practical energy in my chart, and only 2 soft aspects between Neptune and outer planets, it would seem that the hard aspects between Neptune and
1st moon/Asc/12th Mars are responsible for my Neptune experiences, wouldn't you say?

Thanks for your input. I'm trying as best I can, to understand this more fully. My "Neptune" experiences have been such a huge part of my life so far. I have been "protected" many times (in terms of my safety and well being) either through specific and vivid premonition dreams or through other "happenings."

Ami Anne had asked how Neptune feels. To me it feels more like a very personal friend and guide, one that I rely on pretty much all the time to communicate information that I can't get directly from the material world.

posted March 13, 2012 03:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
hmm SaggiMC does seem to have beef with Neptune...

My astro opinion on this one - is pretty simple.

If you have an easy aspect between two planets - then it will benefit you.

If you have a hard aspect, it will be difficult.

If you have a conjunction the planets merge and live together forever more.. They are in perfect unison.. and I consider Neptune conjunctions just as blissful if not more, than the easy aspects.

easy for a reason.
You cannot pretend it is 'hard' because you woke up on the wrong side of the bed one morning and you decided you want to stand out and be a little bit "different"..

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I don't have a prob with Neptune at ALL, it was Ami ann that started this thread not me.

Basic astrology forum discussing Neptune in houses http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000661.html

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posted March 13, 2012 04:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
Neptune being malefic is debatable in any astrological circle.
First of all it is considered a higher octave of Venus which is a benefic planet. So it doesn't really make sense.

Mars and Saturn are traditionally considered malefic.
If they called Pluto malefic.. That I could *see*.
Pluto fits into the Mars/Saturn gang.. but not Neptune.

It's not -a lot-. It's just Liz Greene.. and her followers

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Well we shall have to agree to DISAGREE as I do feel Neptune is malfic

NEPTUNE DEFINITION KEYWORDS;

Artistic, emotional, sensitive, mediumistic, wandering, ¬sentimental, subtle, deceptive, subversive, imaginative, rhythmic, spirituality, unstable, sacrifice, head in the clouds.

Rules Drugs of all types , alcohol, tobacco, heroin, ether & anaesthetic, Gas lighting. Anything elusive, water has to be put in pipes.

Wherever your Neptune is, "is where you carry your cross and where you will be called upon to make a sacrifice!" True sacrifices are never usually recognised, or else they could turn into martyrdom!

Ascendant sun and mc in pisces or neptune in the 1st house
rules pituitary gland, feet, and sleeping rhythms. bad aspects may cause sleep disorders, such as insomnia.

posted March 13, 2012 04:03 PM            

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Originally posted by bonadea33:
Ami,

My Neptune in 12th: people say that I go through the life as I am halb blind. It is logical, as Neptune is like a fog and doesn't allow me to see the right things at the right time.

Neptune conjunction ASC
Neptune sextile Mars
Neptune sextile Pluto (many people have it!)
Neptune trine Venus (orb is 9 degrees)
Neptune inconjunction Sun (the worst aspect for the health)
Neptune opposition Mercury

Bobbie

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sounds like your neptune conj Asc soaks up lots

Sun quincunx Neptune
“shows that you consider your responsibilities the most pressing in the world. There is an element of self sacrifice. You really believe people who suggest that only you can solve their problems. Because of this martyr quality, you seek the most demanding jobs or human situations in order to test your commitment to service. Unsure of yourself you continually try to find ways to prove your competence, but deplete your own energies.
Professional success will be difficult to achieve because of your preoccupation with endless trivia. Exaggerating the importance of superficial matters, you tend to get bogged down by them.”

From the book ‘Aspects and Personality’ by Karen Hamaker-Zondag

Sun Quincunx Neptune
“Your energy tends to be directed unrealistically. Your own sense of self changes as you learn from your own misappraisals of situations that are important to you. If you feel drained or frustrated it is always helpful to look at your overall direction in life and determine if you have taken on more through your high ideals than your physical vitality can sustain. It is always worthwhile to see how your ideas are received by others, to see if you can involve them in your vision. When you can't, avoid trying to do everything yourself. Slow down” http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/quincunxinterpretations.html

Sometimes these quincunxs (aka Inconjuncts 150’) are obvious and recognised in personality, other times it can take a lot of self examination to identify with the planets energies and of course they (like all aspects) don't operate 100% of the time, they are simply a facet of your personality. Some say they cause health issues that are unresolved, underlying, dormant waiting to be triggered.... some say you stay at one end, to the detriment of the other, OR end up see-sawing between the two until you learn balance, integration of two unlikely pairings.

posted March 13, 2012 04:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

No, I won´t.
No offence. Simply difference of opinion here

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posted March 13, 2012 04:09 PM            

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NEPTUNE IN HOUSES

Neptune in lst House – angular house
Should try to avoid alcohol and drugs. Often have an air of mystery about you. Indicates a sensitive intuitive awareness of yourself and your environment. Highly impressionable. Certainly artistic and a great appreciation of music. Dreamy innocent look drift off when talking! Dissatisfied with appearance in some way ie; manner, looks. Sometime appear to live in world of own. Idealist. Physical appearance probably something you don't care for. People may often say to you look at me when I'm talking to you! Can daydream with eyes wide open. Neptunian illnesses movements affected will walk funny at least with one foot. (twine toed as small child or when first walking ) Mysterious allergies on skin or where obvious, and suddenly disappear.

Neptune in 2nd House = succeedent house
Idealistic about money and the use of material resources. Will generally donate generously to charitable, spiritual, and ¬humanitarian causes. Intuitive, air of mystery, about how to earn money. But needs to develop practicality.

Could earn money in artistic way, such as acting (Pisces, being the most common sun sign) also born comedians. Always looking for ideal job doesn't necessarily mean you'll find it and won't always mean a steady paycheck ! Need and want a job where you can bring inspiration to people. Idealist in looking for work with fluctuating salary quite possible. Could earn money through Chiropody (Pisces Feet) Reflexology.
Pharmaceutical trade, tobacco kiosk. Schools of music, dancing, etc.

Neptune in 3rd House – cadent house
How you think ideas (Cadent house). True inspiration and keep this to yourself! Spiritual experiences mental things you won't want to speak about. Very good imagination with possible uses such as writing books, fairy stories, romance stories. Called to make sacrifices for siblings. Possibly never had time to be a child. Dyslexia possible foggy and woolly mindedness head in clouds if badly aspected. Clear in your mind as to what you want to say, but doesn't come out how you mean it to! Procrastinate will put things off worry about it tomorrow attitude. Capacity for visualisation is often well developed. Musical. Telepathic tendencies. Inclined to study occult and mystical subjects. You feel you must share your knowledge impartially and act as a panel for information.

Neptune in 4th House – angular house
Strong unconscious emotional ties with home and family. Confused family relationships and sometimes chaotic domestic environment. Often feel sorry for strangers, animals and offer ¬accommodation. Beachcombers. Sacrifices in the home (parents) Mystery concerning early life. Deception. Over idealise mothers perhaps disillusionment. Possibly put mother on a pedestal missing parent! doubts about roots! Abandoned, adopted, or even left in a plastic bag. Very much eggshell area and therefore sensitive. Neptune the ‘great dissolver’ can literally dissolve connections to family

Neptune in 5th House – succeedent house
Unconscious desire for love and appreciation through romance and creative expression. May have artistic talents. Especially to do with music, children, or the stock markets. Ability to play a role. Love of theatre. Very sympathetic. ¬intuition strong here. This house describes love affairs and children. Romance over idealise. love at first sight. Romance seen through ¬rose tinted glasses! Did you have gas and air or ¬anesthetic during childbirth?
Artistic/creative children, secretive children, depending on aspects. Private enterprise beware the dangling carrot, be very wary of.

Neptune in 6th House. – cadent house
You will have intuitive understanding of the various methods of making work effective and efficient. Good for work to do with hospitals health foods exercise. Close ties with co workers. Fond of pets. Health Feet. Hypochondriac. Very allergic to drugs – (looks to aspects). Psychosomatic illnesses seem very real to them!
After care and service to others. Sympathetic, welfare and caring work would be ideal. Type of work drawn to could be alternative medicine, actors, magician, reflexology, acupuncture, Homeopathy. Nursing. Chiropody. Coun¬selling maybe or voluntary work. Small domestic pets.

Neptune in 7th House – angular house
Often a strong psychic link with marriage partner. You will be easily affected by the moods and feelings of other people. You may be called upon to make sacrifices for business or marital partner. Relationships drawn to. Always looking for the IDEAL partner/mate, could well get what they wish for! Might get a clinging vine, or the opposite a very independent type spouse. Beware of self deception; ie wearing rose tinted glasses.

Neptune in 8th House – succeedent house
Psychic tendencies, often manifested in spiritualism and ¬clairvoyance. Unusual secret circumstances may surround partners money insurance, taxes, and inheritance.
Ideal attitude to partner of how they want to share money, body (including sex), resources (shared money) and values, being the opposite of 2nd house. May never know how much their partners earn! Want a lot of romance in sex life, and to have all the trimmings with good aspects. Easily swept off their feet by knight in shining armour syndrome. Can even wear the rose tinted glasses here, because you will think they were worth it. Bad aspects cause disillusionment, even so would have been worth the price! May marry a wanderer.
May have spiritual psychic abilities, whether recognised or not!

Neptune in 9th House – cadent house
This position of Neptune give a highly impressionable intuitive mind. Much interest in mystical cults, mediation and oriental religions. Care must be taken to distinguish real spiritual teachers from the false. Will want to go long distance travelling to see other cultures and religions, perhaps on spiritual mission. Come home and want to spread the good word. Tell everyone of their adventures. Mysteries attached to In Laws (may be robbed of good relations with them, for whatever reason).

Neptune in l0th House – angular house
Intuitive factors will play an important part in your career. Good position for Astrologers, Clairvoyants, and ¬psychiatrists. Spiritual leaders. One of your parents may be unusual. Good for acting. Visible and helpful! (Angular house). Public image obvious in career. Put on an act or hide behind a uniform to play a part. Actors, amateur dramatics. Good at painting pictures, ¬embellishing things that would enhance people's lives. Artistic.

Neptune in llth House – succeedent house
Unusual, idealistic friendships and group associations. ¬Generosity and spiritual guidance received from friends. ¬Sensitive to the needs of others. May join spiritual groups.
View friends in idealistic manner. Your idea of ¬sympathetic friend sympathetic ear! Also your ear would be bent from your friends and this would be an area of comfort for you.
Sacrificial things done for friends that others wouldn't.
Can even wear the rose tinted glasses here, because you will think they were worth it. Bad aspects cause disillusionment, even so would have been worth the price (perhaps moved away or ¬emigrated, but even the memory would be cherished). Encourage spiritual groups of like minds. Non competitive team work. Inspire others and friends nurturing.

Neptune in l2th House – cadent house
Intuitive link with the unconscious mind. Strong mystical ¬religious tendencies. Much spiritual depth and wisdom. Guard against mental confusion. Have inner faith (Jupiter rules the sign of faith) and knowledge that things will turn out all right. Leap of faith. Behind the scenes, great potential for service. Place of isolations such as Hospitals, prison, laboratories. Sailors at sea. Could be secret drinker, or other addictions that are kept secret.

posted March 13, 2012 04:12 PM            

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You said, "Neptune could be *difficult*, not because it is inherently malefic, but as a transpersonal/ outer planet, we might not always access it consciously at any time."

Is this difficulty in accessing more so w/ hard aspects? 'Cause my 7th Neptune opposite 1st moon and Asc., and quincunx 12th Mars seems to allow me access.

When you say

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mars quincunx Neptune
This suggests to me you are drawn to 'questionable relationships' with a tendency to dismiss or overlook pertinent factors as insignificant until you realise it's too late and perhaps you should have paid more attention.

"Your idealism and inflated expectations of others and life can lead you into very frustrating circumstances where you feel emotionally and physically drained. Your energy and emotions strengthen as you learn how and where to be involved in other people's projects. You have difficulty learning realistic boundaries with others and realistic limits as to what you can expect from yourself. Artistic expression can help give form to your humanitarian temperament." http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/quincunxinterpretations.html

I have moon opp neptune. sometimes it can suggest tendencies towards eating disorders? confusions, illusions around mother. It would also add psychic awareness and sensitivities...

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As well, my 7th Neptune sextiles 5th Pluto and sextiles 9th Jupiter.

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Basic astrology forum, basic aspects http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000693.html

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I have Neptune singleton in the 7th, sextile Pluto in the 5th, and sextile Jupiter in the 9th. Completing this triangle is a trine between 5th Pluto and 9th Jupiter.

Neptune in 7th also opposes my moon in 1st and quincunxes my Mars (placed squarely) in the 12th.

I feel my Neptune pretty strongly in my sensitivity to environment, particularly to the energies of people.

I think I get what you mean by "dissolve," as in boundaries disappearing.

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Hey, I've also got a Neptune singleton. Go read my experience on that thread,see if it resonates..

Basic astrology forum discussing Neptune in houses http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000661.html

posted March 13, 2012 04:13 PM            

"When you say "access it consciously" do you mean have some sort of conscious control over the access versus simply being aware of experiencing the energy?"
Maybe it could be both, though sooner or later they will make themselves felt. If not through introspection, then we might attract Uranian, Neptunian or Plutonian experiences, coming seemingly from the outside.

The difference is that the personal planets are planetary energies, we are very aware of in everyday life, we even need them and use them to go from day to day on a physical, emotional or social level.

The transpersonal planets are extending beyond that. they are trans (beyond) personal. Transcendental. (which is derived from latin: transcendere: to go beyond).

Some call them "spiritual" or "evolutionary".

My view on them is that their purpose and nature is to transform us, with their different methods.

Personally I think that if there are strong aspects to them, we definitely inherit this symbolism; but it seems that there is quite some range of expression. Every planet has a certain range of manifestatio / expression, but with the outers the extreme ends of the range seem to be really that - extreme.

'And just think about their effect in transits! They can be rather dramatic.

"Additionally Neptune also opposes AscI."
So Neptune is conjunct DESC and might crop up especially in relationships or in your attitude towards relationship.
Are you quite dreamy? Idealistic? Striving for that elusive true love? That spiritual soulmate relationship, and nothing less would ever be enough?
Sometimes wearing too rose coloured glasses, only to then discover that your partners is simply human as well?
In the worse case scenario you could also fall prey to a Prince Charming, who might use his charm to dazzle you, so you ignore some serious flaws (like the fact that he might be already in a relationship, a priest, in a far away country, or someone who is not just as honest as you might wish, and someone who could be a bit too inclined to alcohol).

Of course that is a worst case scenario. In a better case he could be really spiritual, compassionate, gentle, artistic, creative, forgiving etc.

"it would seem that the hard aspects between Neptune and
1st moon/Asc/12th Mars are responsible for my Neptune experiences, wouldn't you say?"
Yes.

"I rely on pretty much all the time to communicate information that I can't get directly from the material world."
That is one of the positive things I am profitting from, too. This "instinct" and "knowledge" that seems to come from the nowwhereland, sometimes sounds plainly crazy and impossible, and yet I noticed that it was spot on most of the time.
A Neptunian can literally "hear the grass grow".

Anyway, Ceridwen, thanks for taking the time to explain

posted March 13, 2012 04:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Mblake81:
1. Because I didn't.
2. Yes.
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posted March 13, 2012 04:54 PM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
Excuse me have you come on here to cause trouble?? instead of contributing you want to pick holes in couple words!!

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Chill Saggi. Mblake is cool! xx

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posted March 13, 2012 05:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

Chill Saggi. Mblake is cool! xx

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posted March 13, 2012 05:24 PM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
let's put this down to current merc retro

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posted March 13, 2012 05:50 PM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
please yourself.

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posted March 13, 2012 06:31 PM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
Excuse me have you come on here to cause trouble?? instead of contributing you want to pick holes in couple words!!

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Listen Miss,

I read your direct questions and musings and I gave direct answers.

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Chill Saggi. Mblake is cool! xx

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posted March 13, 2012 09:35 PM            

Sun conj neptune 0* (9th h)- My mother and aunt(twins0, they are amazingly generous, compassionate, and altruistic, BUT they are both religious fanatics of the very unhealthy, negative sort. My mother actually used religion to abuse me and my sister and my aunt did the same to her kids.

Mars/sun conjunct neptune 1* in scorpio - Worst drug addict I have ever known and I've known a lot, he was truely hopeless, 55 and still on drugs, in and out of jail since the age of 12! He was also deeply loving and romantic.

Mars/mercury/neptune t square - patholical liar who intentionally used slander and lies to try and destroy others. Its hard to find any good points on this one as she cares for no one but herself.

posted March 14, 2012 12:19 AM            

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Originally posted by scrappydog:
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing about neptune being a malefic, frankly I'm confused on that topic and have been for many years. There are more astrologers who think it is malific than just liz greene though, barbara watters for example. She said that neptune "distorts and perverts everything it touches." Im not sure as ive seen it go beautifully right just as many times as ive seen it go horribly wrong.

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The examples you gave were all hard aspects, so that could be part of the reason these situations resulted in people making poor decisions. =) I think another reason Neptune gets a bad rep is because we tend to notice planetary energies when they act like the adjectives we see attributed them, but there is often much more to be found beyond those descriptions. Neptune for example, is not only present when a person drives off a cliff while texting, but it exists when something beautiful touches you deeply, gives you chills, or moves you to tears. The positives of Neptune are big (like Jupiter), nebulous, unconditional, and hard to pin down. They are experiential, not describable, they move us to real states of timeless clarity, and condition-shattering awareness. They reveal the pain and pleasure of others as our own and make us want to give up everything for collective peace.

The part people tend to focus on is how poorly we react to Neptune; Being faced with the idea of ego-loss and the obliteration of "the rules or walls which define reality". In the 9th house for example, those rules would likely be religious or political and challenge of those topics can result in violent reaction. Drugs are another way we escape from Neptune, because we intoxicate our self to avoid the experiences which effect us deeply. We instead chose to know what our experience will feel like every time. Both career drug users and career criminals rely on the feeling of security under, as well as the control they have over when they experience the structure of drugs and prison. The pathological liar reacted to Neptune by both making others feel her own pain and using pain/slander to make people never want to break down her walls. The "bum" was so afraid to connect with others (Neptune), he kept "the One" perpetually in his future and placed his friends on pedestals by making them his caretakers. All these are not caused by Neptune poking people with his pointy stick, these people were not afflicted with their situations in the same way people are afflicted with blindness. These people are completely capable of seeing, but choose to walk around with their eyes closed, pretending the person they are talking to is a big white dog in the spotted turtleneck. Neptune is not the closed eyelids, it is the emphasis on our eyes having been closed and the sweet melody telling us it's safe for us to open them. Open or closed, a person's eyes see images, but only when one's eyes are open can they truly see the state of things.

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I was also going to add that I wonder if Sun square Neptune causes someone to doubt or not believe in themselves. I reason this seeing as how Neptune rules Pisces, which is co-ruled by Jupiter, and Jupiter rules Sagittarius which I somehow associated with religion and a "belief system." Does that make any kind of sense?!

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