posted March 18, 2012 06:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
Ami, thanks for posting the info on 7th hse. It clarifies my understanding on "getting it from the other person." He's got Jupiter in his 7th, and definitely relies on my optimism (my 1st hse Sun among other things)

Now one last question?

Do you have any experience w/ the reverse flow of energy, i.e., how he would be affected by his Neptune touching my Desc.? Does this astro energy go both ways?

Thanks.

BTW, SaggiMC is right, you do write well!

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posted March 18, 2012 06:54 AM            

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Wow! For an info-hungry astro newbie, this is gold! All summarized so well! On my own I would have to spend so much time gathering it all. I'm so grateful.

Actually, my Asc. is Taurus and his is Pisces. And his Neptune touching my Desc. w/ an orb of 2.15 would be one strong core connection based on what you said.

A second would be that my chart ruler-Venus (which is also in my 1st hse) trines his 7th hse jupiter (orb of about 2). Would you consider this a core connection?

A third is his Sun conjunct my IC (orb of about 1).

I'm going to check the other connections you mentioned and see if there are more.

Could I please come back to you w/ the completed list?

I feel an excitement building w/in me as I think I might be able to finally understand (astrologically) why he and I have had such a strong connection right from the start. It could also explain why, even through the down times (I think mostly due to his moon square Saturn-tight orb of about 1), this connection hasn't dimmed. If anything, it's become stronger.

"The question is though, if it is simply a beautiful soulmate-bubble, or if there is real substance beneath it."

This would be very important to know for sure as we both have Neptune singletons.

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are outer planets generational or personal http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39021

re: synastry including house overlays, which you are referring to above are fully detailed here..

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posted March 18, 2012 07:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
Ami, thanks for posting the info on 7th hse. It clarifies my understanding on "getting it from the other person." He's got Jupiter in his 7th, and definitely relies on my optimism (my 1st hse Sun among other things)

Now one last question?

Do you have any experience w/ the reverse flow of energy, i.e., how he would be affected by his Neptune touching my Desc.? Does this astro energy go both ways?

Thanks.

BTW, SaggiMC is right, you do write well!

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posted March 18, 2012 07:01 AM            

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Originally posted by ail221:
Well I have Neptune in the 8th house Semi-sextile Mercury
Neptune Sextile Pluto
Neptune Semi-square Asc
Neptune Biquintile Lust
Neptune Biquintile Hera
Neptune Semi-square Psyche
Neptune Semi-square Eros

Sometime I feel very hazy, kind of like I am dreaming, not exactly Dissolving though. Its hard to explain.

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sounds like the only valid major aspect is neptune sextile pluto - which is simply generational.

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posted March 18, 2012 07:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Chris21:
Neptune in the First House
Neptune in Capricorn
Mercury Conjunct Neptune
Venus Conjunct Neptune
Saturn Conjunct Neptune
Uranus Conjunct Neptune
Neptune Conjunct Ascendant
Moon Trine Neptune
Neptune Sextile Midheaven
Neptune Sextile Pluto

I kind of feel like the world is an extension of my body... i feel everything vividly and deeply. My thoughts can be very.. lucid, as if i can feel the energy of my mind and could reach out with my hand and touch it. I can become immersed in this mental energy, pretty much "dissolving" and losing sense of my body. My heads usually in the clouds but when i focus i can reach up there and bring my ideas down to earth, being very resourceful in making things happen. I can become so focused on my thoughts that it can be hard for me to make small talk with people, where i'd much rather just spend my time thinking than talking, so i can go through anti-social phases. I channel my creativity into DJing/Music/Art, where i can find a physical outlet for my imagination.

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posted March 18, 2012 07:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Linda Jones,

"With Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto, would it be fair to say that the energies of these planets can be used as a "bridge" between the personal planetary energies and the "beyond,""
Absolutely.

You should read the inner wheel blog`s article on this.
http://theinnerwheel.com/2011/07/01/the-music-of-the-spheres-octaves-an-introduction/[/UR L]
[URL=http://theinnerwheel.com/2011/07/09/three-paths-to-wisdom-uranus-and-the-path-of-mind/]http://theinnerwheel.com/2011/07/09/three-paths-to-wisdom-uranus-and-the-path-of-mind/[/ URL]
[URL=http://theinnerwheel.com/2011/07/20/three-paths-to-wisdom-neptune-and-the-path-of-the-heart/]http://theinnerwheel.com/2011/07/20/three-paths-to-wisdom-neptune-and-the-path-of- the-heart/

http://theinnerwheel.com/2011/07/30/three-paths-to-wisdom-pluto-and-the-path-of-r ight-action/

"The frailty of our humanness doesn't bother me too much. I feel everyone has a right to survive as best as they know how (w/out impinging on another's rights)."
Sounds like Neptune as its best.

"I'm gonna try and figure out your chart (if you'll let me). I feel there's something very special about you. Energy-wise I think I already know, astrologically is what I'd like to know. "
Thank you.
Are you asking me to put my chart on here so you can have a look?
I certainly wouldn`t mind (I am just as selfcentred as any other Sun-Mercury-conjunction in 1st house-gal. ). But not sure if this is really what you meant.

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posted March 18, 2012 07:16 AM            

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Originally posted by virgolotus:
I have Neptune in the 3rd and I believe it has completely dissolved my relationship with my siblings. It squares my Venus in the 12th and I have been a drug addict for 4 years but getting better. Been to jail 5 times now and I'm only 19 years old...

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posted March 18, 2012 07:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Originally posted by SmilingHeart:
Has the amount of Neptune aspect some kind of impact? All my planets except Jupiter make aspects with Neptune.

I'm just gonna list them...
Sun trine Neptune
Moon opposition Neptune
Mercury trine Neptune
Venus trine Neptune
Mars biquintile Neptune
Saturn conjunct Neptune
Uranus conjunct Neptune
Pluto sextile Neptune (I think most people have this)

and ASC trine Neptune.

Darling
Before I put the time into this--put up the orbs as if some are wide, the influence would be lesser.

Just write Sun trine Neptune--2 degrees etc

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saturn conj neptune is quite often associated with depression?

Saturn conj Neptune http://astrologyforthesoul.com/billstreett/satnepgestalt.html http://astrology.astrozoom.com/index.php?title=NEPTUNE_CONJUNCTION_OR_PARALLEL_TO_SATURN

posted March 18, 2012 08:25 AM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[b]Yep I have a very wide trine of Saturn to the Moon but i feel on myself calling on it when I feel I am gonna fall off the side of the earth

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EXCUSE ME --didn't we have a mamoth thread discussing your moon conj sun (and by parallel moon/sun?) and moon conj mars albeit wide orb? are you not adamant you have an unaspected MOON here???

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/212701-9.html

now you *want to * have a Moon trine to saturn.

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Sun is 23°26'19" N
Moon is 22° 5'20" N
Mars is 23°28'36" N

So this brings the moon/mars aspect even CLOSER and more effective as it's within 1'30"

AND sun/mars even closer AND sun/moon out of sign conjunction.

So even if she doesn't accept these natally the PARALLELS are reinforcing the aspects.
Sun/moon is 8' separating natally, but the parallel bring it closer, stronger

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posted March 18, 2012 03:39 PM            

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This thread is for discussing Neptune and you seem to be asking about synastry questions and outer planets influences

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I know, I know.

The ques. about outers evolved from the Neptune ques.

And the ques. about synastry was in response to stuff Ceridwen said about synastry. The OP also appreciated Ceridwen's input.

But, your point is well taken Threads can get derailed pretty quickly 'cause convos just keep evolving.

Thank you for keeping things in check

posted March 18, 2012 04:09 PM            

"Wow! For an info-hungry astro newbie, this is gold! All summarized so well!"
I am happy that you find this useful.

A book that I found quite good on this subject is: "Synastry - understanding the astrology of relationships" by Rod Suskin.
[URL=http://books.google.de/books?id=CeK1ZSSk-CYC&pg=PT16&lpg=PT16&dq=rod+suskin+understanding+the+astrology+of+relationships&source=bl&ots=Uubb5YKibW&sig=aEDZ41yaPeq4kCkCT_8yOcACe mg&hl]http://books.google.de/books?id=CeK1ZSSk-CYC&pg=PT16&lpg=PT16&dq=rod+suskin+understanding+the+astrology+of+relationships&source=bl&ots=Uubb5YKibW&sig=aEDZ41yaPeq4kCkCT_8yOcAC emg&hl[/URL] =de&sa=X&ei=jzxmT7XgGObT4QShtIXwBw&ved=0CEAQ6AEwBDgK#v=onepage&q=rod%20suskin%20understanding%20the%20astrology%20of%20relationships&f=false

"Actually, my Asc. is Taurus and his is Pisces. And his Neptune touching my Desc. w/ an orb of 2.15 would be one strong core connection based on what you said."
So, his ASC-ruler would be conjunct your DESC. Jackpot I`d say.

Seriously, no aspect, not even this one, guarantees attraction and lasting happiness. But this one is a very very strong sign for being attracted to each other. He embodies what you need and what complements you.

The aspects of the houserulers are even more significant than planetary ones, because they are so individual. Even though many people of his generation will have Neptune on your DESC - what are the odds that all these people have Pisces ASC?
Actually the odds are quite small as Pisces is a quickly rising sign; you have to "hit" the right hour to have a Pisces ASC.
For other signs it takes much longer to rise.

"A second would be that my chart ruler-Venus (which is also in my 1st hse) trines his 7th hse jupiter (orb of about 2). Would you consider this a core connection? "
I think it is totally cool. The trine may not be as strong and insistent, but brings a feeling of ease and harmony, and it means you have a DW between 1st and 7th house, that is something we definitely like to see.

"A third is his Sun conjunct my IC (orb of about 1)."
Very strong sign of belonging.

"you wld be uncomfortable giving that out. "
Why would I be uncomfortable about this?

My data is:
18th december 1974
7:07 a.m.; 51.15 N; 6.20 E (Viersen, Germany)

"Energy-wise I think you have a certain vulnerability about you, which may not be seen in general, but is very present all the time and is (felt by me at least) almost excruciatingly poignant. "
Yes, that`s very true. I am quite amazed that you picked that up. Not many people do, but yes, I am much more vulnerable that it may appear on the outside.

But I am also proud. I don`t like to show that, especially not to the person who might have hurt me.
When I was younger I had the habit, that when someone "hit" me (physically or verbally), that I would start laughing, just to not give them the satisfaction of seeing that they had totally hit the mark.
I even would be laughing at my mom, when she was lecturing me about something, when I was a kid. Let me tell you I spent quite a bit time in my room to "think about what you have done and only come out if you`re ready to apologize".
I almost never did. When she gave in and came into my room first, I would voluntarily apologize though.

(sounds nasty, but actually we got along very well for most of the time, as my parents always took the time to explain to me why they wanted me to do or not to do something).

But yes, bottomline is; I think I am more vulnerable, than it shows.

"and relationship-wise would need to be with someone who's especially understanding and appreciative of who you really are on the inside. I think you would not be happy with anything less than this. "
Totally spot on.

And that proves to be a problem actually.
But I just can`t make compromises, it would make me feel like living a lie. I can`t do that.

"I hope I'm not out of line in talking about your energy as it is non astrological stuff and something I cannot prove, only feel."
No, you`re not out of line. I am quite open about it. At least on a mental level.

" But this is what is compelling about you, and I wanted to see if I could understand the astro basis for it."
I think noone ever called me compelling before.
Anyway, I am curious what you will find astrologically.

"I feel happy. "
:sunflower:
That`s how it should be.

EDIT:
I certainly do not want to derail the thread.

posted March 18, 2012 04:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

Darling
Before I put the time into this--put up the orbs as if some are wide, the influence would be lesser.

Just write Sun trine Neptune--2 degrees etc

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Thanks Ami! It wasn't really directed at you, I was just wondering because sometimes my post seem to disappear and appear again?

So, everything over 3 degrees doesn't really count?

Then I only have these aspects under 3 degrees:

Neptune trine Mercury 1°21
Neptune trine Venus 3°26
Neptune sextile Pluto 3°50

All the others are over 6 degrees.

But even if they're wide - shouldn't they still 'cloud' the planet in a certain way? And are there planets who benefit or even disable Neptunes tendencies?

posted March 18, 2012 04:20 PM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
saturn conj neptune is quite often associated with depression?

Saturn conj Neptune http://astrologyforthesoul.com/billstreett/satnepgestalt.html http://astrology.astrozoom.com/index.php?title=NEPTUNE_CONJUNCTION_OR_PARALLEL_TO_SATU RN

Saturn conj/square/opposite neptune can show a fear of the unknown..although these are generational planets, posited in bottom left quadrant makes them felt internally...It can also be linked to depression when triggered and/or having your childhood dreams crushed by father, males and/or authority figures.

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posted March 18, 2012 05:44 PM            

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I certainly do not want to derail the thread

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I'm sorry I'm the one who's tends to go off on a tangent. It's not you at all. If I implied this, then it was unintended. I find that like Saggi, but in a different way, you have so much information (and insight) that I get carried away. Not to mention that I gobble up every little bit of info I get.(lol)

AND I'm tremendously grateful for your response above. Thank you for giving your birth info. I'll process it and tell you.

But back to Neptune:

You said on Ami's thread on unaspected planets/houses,

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Also I am not certain that you really get to see a 2nd house Moon over the internet. Maybe it shines through, but what you definitely get to see is the 3rd house (the way we communicate) and maybe also a bit of the 10th and 11th house, as these are easily to recognize "from a distance".

So you probably see more of my Jupiter in Pisces in 3rd house, my Pluto in Libra on the MC and my Uranus in Scorpio on the cusp of 11th house, than my 2nd house Moon.

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I didn't know you had an unaspected moon (will have to read up on unaspected planets to understand what they mean exactly). But, based on what I wrote yesterday about my sense of your energy, would you agree that I saw beyond your Jupiter, Pluto, and Uranus and straight to the heart/core (moon) of you?

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Yes, that`s very true. I am quite amazed that you picked that up. Not many people do, but yes, I am much more vulnerable that it may appear on the outside.

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This is your core energy that I'm picking up in you NOW (versus how you were before, growing up, etc). Regardless of common human frailties, you do not seem to have a lot of the blocks that make people stand in their own way. This is why I called you an 'advanced soul' meaning one who is more evolved than most others ... probably as a result of either suffering or maybe you were born this way.

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Totally spot on

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Do you see how my 7th Neptune opp my 1st moon and qunicunx my 12th Mars works in my interactions w/ others? It goes beyond distance and barriers such as the internet, wouldn't you say?

So, even if my Neptune is in hard aspects to inner planets, it still helps me recognize, usually fairly quickly, what someone is really about. I consider this a huge benefit in my day-to-day life.

Therefore, the all important question is-

if Neptune can be beneficial in this way (and along w/ my other already mentioned Neptune experiences-which have benefited me in many other ways), doesn't it tip the scale (however slightly) in favor of Neptune being beneficial instead of malefic?

I pose this question completely aware of the fact that 'grounding' is very necessary w/ a strong Neptune. I have that grounding w/ all my Taurus energy and trines to Saturn thrown in the mix.

But it would still point to Neptune being beneficial, albeit with earth grounding.

What do you think?

Saggi, I'd love to ask you the same but I know you'll want to see my chart, and I haven't posted that yet.

BTW, Saggi, everything I said on Ami's thread on 'mental illness' about you was also coming from my Neptune sense of your energy.

I wasn't just being kind (tho' kindness is essential in the way we all interact, imo). But I think I have a pretty good sense of who you are too.

posted March 19, 2012 01:39 AM            

I had said,

"and relationship-wise would need to be with someone who's especially understanding and appreciative of who you really are on the inside. I think you would not be happy with anything less than this."

You responded,

"Totally spot on.
And that proves to be a problem actually.
But I just can`t make compromises, it would make me feel like living a lie. I can`t do that."

I just wanted to say that you can't make compromises because you don't want to settle for crumbs on your way to the banquet which is a good thing.

You also said, "I think noone ever called me compelling before."

And if a guy ever does, hopefully you'll just maybe give him a chance, 'cause it'll mean he can see right into you.(lol)

By compelling I mean the combination of your vulnerability and an inner strength to face the truth. This strength is most likely coming from Saturn-haven't checked your chart yet but you'll probably understand this better as you know your own chart.

So I'm already sensing your moon and Saturn.

The rest I will not talk about on this thread 'cause I don't want to be discourteous to anyone.

posted March 19, 2012 07:54 AM            

It's more important to make sure your heart is in the right place than the make sure your orbs are acceptable to the Experts.

Posting guidelines:

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posted March 19, 2012 12:42 PM            

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Originally posted by SmilingHeart:
Thanks Ami! It wasn't really directed at you, I was just wondering because sometimes my post seem to disappear and appear again?

So, everything over 3 degrees doesn't really count?

Then I only have these aspects under 3 degrees:

Neptune trine Mercury 1°21
Neptune trine Venus 3°26
Neptune sextile Pluto 3°50

All the others are over 6 degrees.

But even if they're wide - shouldn't they still 'cloud' the planet in a certain way? And are there planets who benefit or even disable Neptunes tendencies?

Thanks so much for putting so much time in this! <3

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you seem to be missing the point, it's NOT under 3' but BETWEEN planets in orbs...

So for a square it's 90' + or - 3' ONLY in synastry aspects.

for natal aspects for square, oppositions and conjunctions I use + or - 8' But for sun and moon they get upto 10'
Trines and sextile 120' & 60' + or - 6'
quincunx 150' + or - 3'

posted March 19, 2012 12:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Saggi, using someone else's birth chart as a platform for harsh criticism lacks heart and is unprofessional.

It's more important to make sure your heart is in the right place than the make sure your orbs are acceptable to the Experts.

Posting guidelines:

We are not trying to tear you down here but build you up, just as you often try to do the same for us.

Peace

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I have no idea what you are referring to. I have just tried to explain to linda about orbs are different in synastry of 3' than that in natals..

posted March 19, 2012 01:00 PM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
you seem to be missing the point, it's NOT under 3' but [b]BETWEEN planets in orbs...

So for a square it's 90' + or - 3' ONLY in synastry aspects.

for natal aspects for square, oppositions and conjunctions I use + or - 8' But for sun and moon they get upto 10'
Trines and sextile 120' & 60' + or - 6'
quincunx 150' + or - 3'

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Thanks! I misunderstood.

posted March 19, 2012 03:28 PM            

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Originally posted by SmilingHeart:
Thanks Ami! It wasn't really directed at you, I was just wondering because sometimes my post seem to disappear and appear again?

So, everything over 3 degrees doesn't really count?

Then I only have these aspects under 3 degrees:

Neptune trine Mercury 1°21
Neptune trine Venus 3°26
Neptune sextile Pluto 3°50

All the others are over 6 degrees.

But even if they're wide - shouldn't they still 'cloud' the planet in a certain way? And are there planets who benefit or even disable Neptunes tendencies?

Thanks so much for putting so much time in this! <3

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Merc, Venus and Pluto with good aspects to neptune. You see things in an optimistic kind of rose colored way. You do not like the harshness of life. You would like to live in a musical if you could lol

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posted March 19, 2012 03:50 PM            

" would you agree that I saw beyond your Jupiter, Pluto, and Uranus and straight to the heart/core (moon) of you?"
Yes, at least you noticed a vital part of me.

" you do not seem to have a lot of the blocks that make people stand in their own way. "
Oh yes, I have these blocks. They are just not present in my mental/ intellectual/ communicative side.

"So, even if my Neptune is in hard aspects to inner planets, it still helps me recognize, usually fairly quickly, what someone is really about. I consider this a huge benefit in my day-to-day life."
Yes, the challenging aspects often simply increase the intensity / energy, but do not necessarily mean a "bad" thing. It depends on the planetary picture.
The possibility of extreme manifestation is just bigger with challenging aspects.

"Anyway, just tossing Neptune being beneficial or malefic back in the ring (lol)"
I don´t like to put the planets into categories like beneficial and malefic.

posted March 19, 2012 10:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by SmilingHeart:
[b] Thanks Ami! It wasn't really directed at you, I was just wondering because sometimes my post seem to disappear and appear again?

So, everything over 3 degrees doesn't really count?

Then I only have these aspects under 3 degrees:

Neptune trine Mercury 1°21
Neptune trine Venus 3°26
Neptune sextile Pluto 3°50

All the others are over 6 degrees.

But even if they're wide - shouldn't they still 'cloud' the planet in a certain way? And are there planets who benefit or even disable Neptunes tendencies?

Thanks so much for putting so much time in this! <3

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Merc, Venus and Pluto with good aspects to neptune. You see things in an optimistic kind of rose colored way. You do not like the harshness of life. You would like to live in a musical if you could lol

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Thanks Ami!