posted April 29, 2012 04:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Diana:

My sun is in aqua. See, suns are important!

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posted April 29, 2012 04:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
Don't ask LOL. It's DARK in there.
It's the Moon so there's no rational process going on.
I have to ask tho, has he been burned?

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I don't know. I've never asked but I just know that he has.

posted April 29, 2012 04:16 AM            

I only know one other person IRL like me with the demi-sexualness and ironically, they have a scorpio moon....interesting. It's the only similar placement/aspect we share. I don't think she has mars/nept but I'm not sure. I need to look.

posted April 29, 2012 04:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Diana:
I thought you said that.

I only know one other person IRL like me with the demi-sexualness and ironically, they have a scorpio moon....interesting. It's the only similar placement/aspect we share. I don't think she has mars/nept but I'm not sure. I need to look.

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posted April 29, 2012 04:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Diana:
they seem so laid back

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posted April 29, 2012 04:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Diana:
It seems to really need to be triggered badly - almost like getting a taurus mad -- they don't get mad that often, but look out when they do and they seem so laid back that it's shocking when it happens.

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Yeah the 8 H Moon I'm talking about is also a Taurus Sun. I've luckily never seen him get mad or boil over. But I've heard stories and its hard for me to believe.

posted April 29, 2012 04:37 AM            

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I just based the statement on people I know of or have met. I have Mars conj Neptune and I am demisexual. Regardes has Mars conj Neptune and she is asexual. Then there was a male poster here with Pisces Mars and Sun conj Neptune who identified as asexual. Then there is a guy I know in RL who has Mars conj Neptune in Scorpio who is not asexual but has been celibate for 10 years... and I am absolutely sure I am forgetting someone. There was one other person but I can't think of them now.

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posted April 29, 2012 04:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Diana:
[b]they seem so laid back

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Yes, I think the lunar scorps are just that way. 8th house moons have that tendency, like a quiet strength until it's really been poked and prodded. Scorp moons can get giddy over the manipulations if they're in a bad place, definitely.

I find I've grown more into my 8th moon so that I am becoming more like it, but even so it's only when I've been pushed way too far, otherwise it is just there untapped. My many pluto transits have brought it out and you do need to own it anyhow.

I think 8th house moons can turn it off easier than scorp signed moons.

As I get older I become more able to get along with scorpio moon people, but I think that's because I know astrology so well now, and I understand why they are how they are, but me owning it is helping too, so there's an affinity between us now that was lacking before.

Moon scorpio is definitely the hardest placement imo. I understand that too now.

EDIT- I don't know why it's quoting wrong...sorry.

posted April 29, 2012 04:40 AM            

I remember you mentioning you have a Capricorn Mars. For some reason I thought you were older, but since you have this Mars/Nept conjunction you must be in your 20s, early 30s...
Or did I get mixed up?

posted April 29, 2012 04:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
Maybe Diana will chime in again, but ime the H8 Moons keep their cauldron locked up. You don't get to see what's inside, it only bubbles over in their reactions when they can't contain its contents any longer. Then they close up shop and try to get away from those feelings. That's what it looks like from the outside. It doesn't seem that they are scared of their feelings, just that they want them to be hidden for some other purpose.

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That's partly it. We def keep our feelings to ourselves, they're tied up tightly, but we do let them out here and there. It's let out either as an eruption or as a tactic, lol. But, we don't try to get away from the feelings, we still feel them, but we keep them to ourselves.

posted April 29, 2012 04:58 AM            

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I am also mars/neptune and demisexual. I actually never knew there was a term for it until I googled it just now. Yup, I need to be friends first. I am not someone who sees someone and is attracted by them, ever. It's why I have a hard time dating, because I'm just not interested in people romantically until I know them well. I have zero sex drive until I begin to have feeling for someone -- the feelings don't have to be love, bur affection or affinity etc. and only then will I become attracted to someone.

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I don't need to be in love. I need to feel affection like friendship & familiarity with the person OR actually like them romantically before I begin to have sexual feelings toward them.

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posted April 29, 2012 04:59 AM            

You have moon conjunct pluto...? I hate ta break it to ya, but you're one of us! You may not be in touch with it yet which is why you attract it.

posted April 29, 2012 05:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
Diana -

I am exactly like this word for word.. literally. It is literally *zero* attraction, before a connection is formed -- & just like you - it does not have to be romantic.
My Sun & Venus are in the 11th. But I have no Aqua.
I think it is a Mars/Neptune thing.
Rosalind is the only exception so far, that I know of.

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It could be the 11th and for me aqua influences combined with the mars/nept. The one person I know doesn't have mars/nept. They may have planets in their 11th though, but I don't know their tob. I def think there's a mars/nep affinity though, because it makes sense. Neptune dissolves and mars is sexuality. Neptune is also feeling.

posted April 29, 2012 05:23 AM            

I never knew why I attracted it before. Now I'm fine with it unless they're really bad.

Yeah, other elements and signs can def alter it. I shudder to think what I'd be like if I had a water sun or not a lot of fire or earth or air. It would be a lot heavier and harder to understand, thus making it control me more. I'm very honest.

I knew a scorp heavy person with no air and they were pretty evil and carried away from their placements. Air and fire helps a lot here.

posted April 29, 2012 05:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
Rosalind - What is the orb on your Mars/Neptune conj?

I remember you mentioning you have a Capricorn Mars. For some reason I thought you were older, but since you have this Mars/Nept conjunction you must be in your 20s, early 30s...
Or did I get mixed up?

Did you say at one point you studied astrology for 20 years or was that a different poster?

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posted April 29, 2012 06:31 AM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
I'm not so much wary but.. I'm romantically disinterested in Pisces/Neptunian men (unless it is balanced by other things... (like a dose of earthy realism and a strong Mars) - because they generally don't have what I want in a guy.

^^ I have Capricorn influence in my chart so I guess I am too grounded and realistic for the stories they try to weave

In terms of getting "close" whether romantically or in friendship... I'm unlikely to get close to people with Cancer influence in their personal planets, in particular women. This is because I don't trust that they care about me.
I feel like they are envious and have issues with me, so I'm wary of being back-stabbed.
If they have Capricorn or Aries stuff happening - that can make our relationship better.

In men - I'm also wary of:

Venus in Aries
Venus Retro
Venus square Mars
Mars in Taurus (if afflicted)
Mars in negative aspect to Pluto

Their version of love & sex is at odds with mine. Love makes me happy - whereas it makes them feel inadequate or angry.. and I can't relate to their problems.
I have Tau Venus trine Cap Mars.

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Yes, i can so totally relate to "the stories they try to weave" part, lol. We can't help it, we are impractical dreamers by nature.

And I can really attest to cancer people being envious of people being more successful than them. In fact, they don't want anyone to succeed except themselves. They really fit the term "crab mentality", no wonder it's patterned after cancer, and symbolised by the crab. Also, they won't help you even if you're inferior to them, since doing so would advance you 1 level up, and they hate seeing people succeed. Anyway, aries and capricorn get along well, i also noticed that.

posted April 29, 2012 06:42 AM            

A big part of the ending of relations with Cancer and Scorpio is when they cease to communicate. I'm expected to feel close without communication or time together, and I just don't operate that way. And when you try to talk to them about what's not right/what's going wrong, they get super-defensive and hurt about it, even if you're as tactful as possible and even when you're telling them the truth. How else is a problem going to get fixed if you don't communicate? It's beyond me. Too many of them hold in all of this rage, anger, and frustration, never tell you about it, and then just lash out at you out of nowhere one day. They let it build instead of just talking about it civilly. I admit that I can be the same way, and also end up resentful at times, but being a diplomatic Libra sun, at least I try to talk about things at some point, if the person matters to me. If we're not close, I can just drift away, but I do at least try to talk it out if I care.

I have been deeply hurt by how some have manipulated me, and ashamed that I allowed it for so long. Some would give little crumbs now and then and expect that minimal effort to appease me, only allowing me to matter when they needed something or when they felt like I deserved to exist. Some outright lied to me, giving me all kinds of excuses for why they didn't talk to me or spend time with me, only for me to find out that they were just that--excuses. I've had a few water sign people claim to be "busy" (one Cancer and one Scorpio come immediately to mind), yet I see tons of photos of what they do with other people and I hear about plans they've made/fun things that they are doing/parties that they've had or are having, from which I am excluded: they don't even try to hide it from me. They put it out there purposely to hurt me instead of just coming to me when there was a problem and trying to sort it out properly.

I also have difficulty at times with water influenced people who aren't water sun signs--not always, but in some cases. One person with whom I have a lot of difficulty is a fire sun with an earth moon and heavy Scorpio influence. This person is nice to me in public, but very cold and standoffish one-on-one. This person just seems to really dislike me, despite my trying to be nice. I really do not understand the discrepancies between public and private; the whole thing leaves me feeling really confused. I feel weird when this person is nice to me because it doesn't make any logical sense, except maybe to save face or be polite or something.

posted April 29, 2012 06:59 AM            

The outer planets are impersonal so when they're connected to the personal planets they more often than not create difficulties because the person is not even aware of why they do some things that they do. It's like they are "controlled" by unconscious processes and have a hard time understanding what it is exactly that makes them react the way that they do.
Of course it can be said about the personal planets in hard aspect too, but I've found that it's easier to see what exactly needs to be fixed with the personals, whereas with the outers it's more complicated and less conscious.

On another note, since Mars/Neptune was mentioned, I have Mars parallel Neptune and I'm asexual.

@ Regardes, I think you may be too intense in friendships. What's in your 11th? What does its ruler do?

posted April 29, 2012 07:17 AM            

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The outer planets in hard aspect to the personal planets. Not so much Saturn but it can be a hard one, too.

The outer planets are impersonal so when they're connected to the personal planets they more often than not create difficulties because the person is not even aware of why they do some things that they do. It's like they are "controlled" by unconscious processes and have a hard time understanding what it is exactly that makes them react the way that they do.
Of course it can be said about the personal planets in hard aspect too, but I've found that it's easier to see what exactly needs to be fixed with the personals, whereas with the outers it's more complicated and less conscious.

On another note, since Mars/Neptune was mentioned, I have Mars parallel Neptune and I'm asexual.

@ Regardes, I think you may be too intense in friendships. What's in your 11th? What does its ruler do?

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I have sun and Mercury in the 11th.

To be clear, the people that I were talking about were people who claimed to care about me. In more than one case, I was told that they loved me, that I was one of their best friends, etc. Water sign people say really intense things to me, but they don't really mean them.

I don't believe in saying things that you don't mean. I don't say those things to people.

*shrug* Maybe there just is something wrong with me, and maybe people are right to want nothing to do with me, but I do expect to at least be given respect and not lied to or manipulated. Maybe I'm a freak and that's that.

If a person doesn't really like me, then he/she should just not tell me that they do, or that I mean something to them. If you don't like me, fine, but don't pretend that you do. Don't say things that you don't mean. Don't tell me that you care if you don't. And don't just talk to me when you need a shoulder to cry on if you don't really like me at all: it's not OK to just be a friend when you need something or when you feel like it. That's where I stand on that one.

My standards for mere acquaintances are much lower. I don't expect anything but basic respect from people with whom I have a casual relationship. I do, however, have expectations if someone throws around the word "friend" or says intense things to me. They should not do that unless they really mean it. I don't do it. I actually hesitate to use the word "friend" because to me, that word has certain meanings and obligations that I don't expect from everyone except those who've earned friend status.