posted June 02, 2012 02:18 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I agree there are obnoxious people of every sign except aqua, its just not in our nature. :P

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Hahahaha! Lol, well I love Aquas, our energies blend well, almost married one too so I *might* agree with you hahaha.

Anyways, heard this song today and thought whoohoo synchronicity! Very Aries IMO. (minus the trashy look, I hope )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVQo6QZSBjY&feature=related

posted June 02, 2012 02:28 AM            

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I don't necessarily agree that Aries are the "children" of the zodiac. Frankly, I think that's an antiquated belief (not aiming this specifically at you Hera, your post did us proud!). Just as any sign in the zodiac can be a*holes, any sign can be childish and so on. We all have the same traits but it's the degrees and the lasting effects of those traits that separate us from each other. From my experience with Pisces, I would say they are childish because they lack the social grace and demeanor of Libras, and the emotional control of a Capricorn.

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Well maybe I am finally embracing my inner child, but I don't find that saying derogatory. I don't think it is aiming at us being childish or immature, but rather that we have a very youthful energy - enthusiastic, pure, contagious. To me, it is not offensive at all to be called the child of the zodiac.

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encompassing Aries traits has more to do with owning or taking responsibility for your own flaws, rather than incorporating new (Aries) ones. Owning your own person.

If people don't like you... who cares? There's MILLIONS of people in the world and your life is always going to be changing. It's a waste of energy to bemoan people who don't appreciate you. Be happy with yourself and your life, and you'll draw happiness to you. Whine and complain and you'll attract unhappy people who can only see the unhappiness within you, and therefore probably roam to find and mooch off someone else's light.

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posted June 02, 2012 02:30 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Haha so that means we would be a smoothie XD.

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posted June 02, 2012 02:39 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I think all the signs would be better off if they learned to listen to us aquas, we are always right.

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posted June 02, 2012 03:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Hera:
No, dude, no sign is better than others but we're here on earth incorporating the traits we NEED for our soul growth - and from that perspective some signs are better *for us* than others. That is all. Zodiac is a wheel for god's sake - EQUAL. You as an Aqua should know that better than anyone. "Liberté, égalité, fraternité" - sound familiar??

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posted June 02, 2012 04:44 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I didn't say we were better, just smarter.XD

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posted June 02, 2012 06:12 AM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:

To put it bluntly (as an Aries does best Platero, no point in mincing words. Feelings will always heal and start a new.) you're not sure enough. I mean in almost EVERY post you ever make I notice you make sure to end with "Not trying to offend," or "I'm honestly just curious," when the truth is you're simply not willing to OWN your own opinion. I used that as an example because encompassing Aries traits has more to do with owning or taking responsibility for your own flaws, rather than incorporating new (Aries) ones. Owning your own person.

If people don't like you... who cares? There's MILLIONS of people in the world and your life is always going to be changing. It's a waste of energy to bemoan people who don't appreciate you. Be happy with yourself and your life, and you'll draw happiness to you. Whine and complain and you'll attract unhappy people who can only see the unhappiness within you, and therefore probably roam to find and mooch off someone else's light.

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As for Aries being the 'children' of the zodiac (which is how Linda Goodman described them), I don't think that she meant that they were "childish"--after all, she was an Aries herself. What I think that she was aiming at is that Aries symbolizes the infant, and that Aries people have some traits in common with that--for example, being trusting, idealistic (with exceptions if other placements or life experiences destroy that, but most Aries people that I know are that way), direct, not concerned so much with other people's opinions, focused on their needs (though not necessarily selfish, as they can be very generous with friends, just that they are aware of what they need and aren't afraid to ask for it/go get it).

To be honest, hannarama, I'm actually glad that you pointed out those speech things that I do. They've become so habitual that I really hadn't noticed that. In thinking about it, it seems like I really do apologize a lot for myself, more than I've realized.

I tend to vent more on here than I do in real life. I don't feel like I can ever admit that I'm feeling depressed/having a bad day/not feeling great, outside of here and therapy and sometimes my family. It's like I don't have the right to do that with people because it's just being depressing and annoying and people don't want to hear that, so I just have to hold it all in. I'm to the point where I don't even feel anymore like I can go to people I'm a bit closer to with anything, as they don't want to be bored with that stuff, so I just have to keep my mouth shut and pretend that I feel fine. I get one hour a week to talk to one person about what's bothering me, and it just tends to build and build and build. Journaling bores me because I find myself repeating the same thing, and I get frustrated with it.

posted June 02, 2012 06:30 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
To stop being so wrapped up in what others are doing and keep your own counsel. Develop true independence. In short, telling others to f*ck off, and being perfectly fine with it.

Big lesson for us Librans. I suggest finding those who have Aries decanates and dwads, and working up to actual Aries Suns. They can be a bit much to take at first until you're really getting along with your inner b*tch. Then they're awesome.

Me, 2008. 'Oh, my God. Tony Stark* is a total a*shole!'
Me, 2012. 'Tony Stark is frickin' hilarious. Probably my favourite character right now.'

It's all perspective. And if you're going to do the Aries thing, and you REALLY do want it to be socially kosher, develop your humour. The more charismatic you are, the easier it is to be, as my best friend puts it, 'a sarcastic pr*ck.'

It's a fun process, too. Don't let it feel like work and drag you down. Own it.

* The Tony Stark incarnation from the Iron Man films, developed by Robert Downey Jr is a reflection of the actor himself, who OWNS his Aries nature and then some. This character is kind of embodiment of what we've come to expect from the sign - complete with lots of red, racing cars, and a charismatic, virally hysterical arrogance. He's like, the poster child for Aries right now. It's pretty amusing.

-A.

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One of the things that's a big relief with Aries and Sags is that they'll just say what they think. Sometimes, this can be really embarrassing, but, unless they have heavy water/other influences that would make them less direct, you don't have to worry about where you stand with them. My Sag mother, for example. She has basically no filter whatsoever (she has Mercury in Sag too). Sometimes, this can be hurtful or embarrassing. Every other Sag that I know, save for one, is also like this. However, there are some perks: (a) they tend to be terrible liars, especially the Mercury in Aries/Sag people, so even when they do lie, you can catch them; (b) when they compliment you, they usually mean it, and (c) you know where you stand and often what they really think. Some with earth/water Mercuries or other influences might be more secretive, but from the people that I know, they're the minority. The good Aries/Sag people also usually don't mean to hurt you, and when they're mad, they usually don't stay mad for long.

I honestly feel better when I'm able to tap into my Sag side (I have a Sag ascendant and two other Sag placements). Right now, I'm having a hard time accessing it, but when I can feel that energy, I do like it. I really hate being in Eeyore-mode.

The only thing that can really get rid of Eeyore mode for me is if I figure out how to make the changes that I want to make stick and not just have them be fleeting moods. That's the hard part. But, in thinking about it now, maybe I have to approach it differently, and think about it as a lifestyle change. Before, I do think that I just tried it out as an act. Maybe it's like losing weight, which I've done before and have been successful in doing: I have to make little changes slowly over time and make them habits, rather than trying to "crash-diet" emotionally/in acting differently when I don't really believe in it. Maybe that's what would make it last.

I have to figure out how to feel like I'm OK without having to have other people think that I'm OK or like me.

posted June 02, 2012 09:46 AM            

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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
As for Aries being the 'children' of the zodiac (which is how Linda Goodman described them), I don't think that she meant that they were "childish"--after all, she was an Aries herself. What I think that she was aiming at is that Aries symbolizes the infant, and that Aries people have some traits in common with that--for example, being trusting, idealistic (with exceptions if other placements or life experiences destroy that, but most Aries people that I know are that way), direct, not concerned so much with other people's opinions, focused on their needs (though not necessarily selfish, as they can be very generous with friends, just that they are aware of what they need and aren't afraid to ask for it/go get it).

To be honest, hannarama, I'm actually glad that you pointed out those speech things that I do. They've become so habitual that I really hadn't noticed that. In thinking about it, it seems like I really do apologize a lot for myself, more than I've realized.

I tend to vent more on here than I do in real life. I don't feel like I can ever admit that I'm feeling depressed/having a bad day/not feeling great, outside of here and therapy and sometimes my family. It's like I don't have the right to do that with people because it's just being depressing and annoying and people don't want to hear that, so I just have to hold it all in. I'm to the point where I don't even feel anymore like I can go to people I'm a bit closer to with anything, as they don't want to be bored with that stuff, so I just have to keep my mouth shut and pretend that I feel fine. I get one hour a week to talk to one person about what's bothering me, and it just tends to build and build and build. Journaling bores me because I find myself repeating the same thing, and I get frustrated with it.

So, I appreciate the honesty. This really is an uphill battle for me, and maybe I need to be more patient with myself and allow myself to genuinely change slowly rather than try to force myself into quick fixes, since those quick fixes haven't lasted more than a week or so thus far.

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posted June 02, 2012 12:36 PM            

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You took it better than I expected. See? Making changes already. Also, it's not healthy to bottle things up which I'm sure you already know. If you need to vent see if you can do it in a humorous way (unless it's serious) and then once you've vented, be done with it, or mention something positive. People seem to like things that are balanced/even.

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Regardes,

Maybe the reason why I'm so big on living 'out loud' these days is BECAUSE of all the 'silence' I've kept for SO long. Therapy (both receiving it and practising it) clued me into this facet of myself.

These days, I just say what I think. I just act. I just do. But I think I've earned this after so long. Of course, I really didn't DO this, LIVE this way, until my bottled emotions and refusal to express myself was physically making me ill. That's when I decided enough was enough.

And so far, so good.

posted June 02, 2012 12:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Hera:
Okay, cya when you grow up

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posted June 02, 2012 01:08 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I'm a grown man XD

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posted June 03, 2012 05:36 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Regardes,

Maybe the reason why I'm so big on living 'out loud' these days is BECAUSE of all the 'silence' I've kept for SO long. Therapy (both receiving it and practising it) clued me into this facet of myself.

These days, I just say what I think. I just act. I just do. But I think I've earned this after so long. Of course, I really didn't DO this, LIVE this way, until my bottled emotions and refusal to express myself was physically making me ill. That's when I decided enough was enough.

And so far, so good.

-A.

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It's interesting that you mention that bottling emotions and refusing to express yourself made you physically ill, because that's actually happening to me too. When I bottle anger, I feel really warm and sometimes overheated, almost like I'm simmering. When I bottle depression, like right now, I get chest aches (like there's something 'caught' there or else sometimes like there's a big heavy rock there, sometimes both) and headaches. If I end up having a good cry, my eyes can hurt for a day afterward. When I'm feeling negative emotions very deeply, like I have been this past week, I just feel super-tired, completely drained, and just overall icky. When I'm depressed, I don't feel like eating anything and can go awhile without feeling hungry or wanting food; the longest stretch was several days where I just didn't eat anything, a few years ago.

posted June 03, 2012 11:50 AM            

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You took it better than I expected. See? Making changes already. Also, it's not healthy to bottle things up which I'm sure you already know. If you need to vent see if you can do it in a humorous way (unless it's serious) and then once you've vented, be done with it, or mention something positive. People seem to like things that are balanced/even.

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Thanks. I appreciate that.

I do know that it's not healthy to bottle things up, but, at the same time, I really don't know how to say to someone that I could use some cheering up or a good laugh or even that it would be helpful for me to talk about something and get their insight without feeling like I'm bothering them or being annoying, especially if I have a problem with them/feel like they have a problem with me.

I think one of the biggest things that I fear, in thinking about it, is that conflict means that a relationship is irreparably damaged--that things cannot ever possibly be fixed, and that people just don't care enough or like me enough to forgive me (if I really have done something) or to work on things with me. I just assume that if I mess up with someone, especially if it's something that I struggle with on an on-going basis, they'll just write me off and dismiss me. Direct confrontation scares me in that I fear that it would just speed up the process. My pattern is to avoid people if I think that they dislike me rather than just confront them outright.

I really do envy you Aries and Sag people who just have no such fears. Using my mother again as an example, she can be incredibly mouthy at times, and blunt. Yet she never worries about losing her job (even when she mouths off to her boss), never worries about losing friends, doesn't seem to care if she does, doesn't worry about offending people. Then again, she is blessed with a Gemini moon, whereas mine is Cancer, astrology's emo-kid.

I'm really hoping that I'll be able to find some peace and healing this week. I literally do not feel well right now--tired, chest hurts, eyes hurt, just feel overwhelmed and drained and anxious. I have some decisions to make about what things to cut out of my life, which places/people to give up on, and where to go next. I hate feeling like this, and I want to do something to heal myself.

posted June 03, 2012 12:57 PM            

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You probably try to hard! So many planets there may bring to much energy in that area.

I have south node, jupiter and chiron in the 11th house, and I have to say I've got problems in this area too. But it's all in our heads, our insecurities, everything. I remember when I was smaller I had so many friends easly, and I notice that I have more problems if I start to think about it.

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I tend to think a lot about these issues, especially when I do not have enough socializing going on in my life. It gets substantially worse during less socially active times.

I do need my alone time, but when I have too much alone time, it gets ugly.

I'm in withdrawal mode now, though, even though it hurts, because I'm just so fed up with everything that I need a break from it all.

posted June 03, 2012 03:46 PM            

I'm starting to freak out. I feel like all I have right now is the guy! <3 Love the guy, but that is just not healthy.

A few weeks back, lots of friends reached out to me. I was busy whether it was work or already had plans with the guy.

And now that he went back, no one has really reached out to me. I've been reaching out to others, a bit.

posted June 03, 2012 03:51 PM            

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Proof?

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posted June 03, 2012 03:55 PM            

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The thing I really appreciate, enjoy, and have learnt from those who have Aries in their makeup, which I just haven't gotten from other signs, is a kind of innocent overconfidence. It's hysterical. There's this bouncy, my-way-or-the-highway leadership quality which vastly differs from Leo or Cap. It's as if they're always ready to follow up with, 'Oops, my bad.' They don't intend to offend, and those who get offended, are honestly (I've discovered) way too damned sensitive.

My friends who are both Aries Sun and decanates and dwads, (it's my Mercury dwad) have taught me how to just not CARE what others think - in a very different manner from Aquarius, or Sag. It's been such a wonderful liberating experience. Oh, sure, we can certainly butt heads when THEIR way is not what -I- want to be doing at the moment, but I respect their indomitable spirit - and hellbent ways.

More than anything, because I know they NEVER MEAN ILL. There's ZERO malice in it. Kinda like Sag and foot-in-mouth disease. There's no manipulation in Aries; that's something else. They're not trying to GET anywhere by being what they are, or saying, or doing. They're just sort of going along - like an unstoppable force. Is it it any wonder my Aries characters are the momentum characters? No one can really stop them. They don't just drive the plot - if the plot starts dragging, IT starts moving with THEM.

That's Aries for me. I appreciate the blunt honesty and youthful momentum. And I really don't see how 'inner b*tch' is a derogatory term. We ALL have to learn how to harness that more selfish, forceful side of ourselves; or, God help you, it WILL find a way to express itself in SOME way or another.

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What an awesome description!!!

I'm only an Aries South Node, but I related to that so much.

Thank you for posting it!!

btw, I tend to love Aries females. My Grammy was one and three other women I have gotten on great with.

I dated an Aries male on and off for awhile when I was younger and was crazy about him. We laughed so hard and often. I miss having that with someone.

My SN is my only Aries placement. I think some of these Aries mustve had Venus (or Mercury) in Taurus...maybe?

They are one of my fave signs.

I think your descript was spot on too, IndigoD.

posted June 03, 2012 03:55 PM            

So Saturn is opposing that...So I feel a bit discouraged. And I am horrified for Saturn to go stationary direct RIGHT on my Sun. Saturn oppositions feel horrible.

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Also I'm a 22 deg Aries Sun house 11

So Saturn is opposing that...So I feel a bit discouraged. And I am horrified for Saturn to go stationary direct RIGHT on my Sun. Saturn oppositions feel horrible.

I read on a site that Venus rx can make people feel neglected too.

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The last Venus retrograde was absolute hell for me. It was in the same sign as my natal Venus (Scorpio).