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Odette
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posted March 06, 2013 04:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Agree or Disagree?

Please explain why, and post your Venus - sign/house/aspects.. (and anything else you think is relevant)

Thank you

:edit: when I say "friendship" I am definitely not referring to people of the same sex as you, only.
This is not a "same sex" vs "opposite sex" question.

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posted March 06, 2013 04:41 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Agree 100%
I always put my friends before relationships. Its like sorry, I'm hanging out with my bff you can tag along to if you want, and be the third wheel.
If my romantic interest says anything rude about my friends than I'm really turned off.

Venus in gemini.
Venus conjunct sun moon mercury asc.

Oh wait you mean which is more important. Ummmm I prefer friendship...

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posted March 06, 2013 04:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dreaming111     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would agree.

How can you be in love with stranger if you dont have some level of friendship before falling in love?

I feel that the most romantic relationship would be to fall in love with your best friend. Who else cares for and knows you better than your best friend?

Sure there are the sexual urges and the *omg I want him* drives, but I dont think those relationships ever fair as well.

Even if you breakup....at least this person would have compassion and wouldnt break you.


Also, you know how guys are afraid of being pushed into a friend zone? I think that allows two individuals to actually have a better foundation. And at least in rom coms it seems cuter.. hehe


So guys dont be scared of being friend zoned. It is never a bad thing.
Well so I think.

Gosh I wish I had the answers to the perfect relationship. hehe

Venus in leo 9th house, conjunct MC, square AC, semisquare sun, square moon, sextile mercury, quintile saturn, trine uranus, sesquiquadrate neptune, quintile pluto,

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posted March 06, 2013 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemmy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would prefer romantic love.I've never been good at making friends.I'm shy and don't trust people.

I think my pisces mars makes me that way.
It's the only water placement I have.Besides scorp pluto and Cancer dsc.

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posted March 06, 2013 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for virgolotus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow this is really tough..

I wanted to say lover right away but I guess friendship IS more important.
I agree with Dreaming111&Kerosene
judging by the past, I've always put my friends before lovers/flings. I have that affection and soft spot for my friends since there's actually an extensive past.

Venus in Libra 11th house tr Saturn sq Uranus and Neptune

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posted March 06, 2013 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mockingbird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can't have romantic love without friendship.
For me, it would be nothing more than lust.

Taurus Venus in the 7th.
- Loose (6d) sq to my 3h Aqua Moon
- Loose (7d) out-of-sign trine to my Mars and NN.
- Loose (6d) trine to my Jupiter
- Tight (1d) sextile to my Merc
- Tight (2d) opp to my Scorp Asc

Edited to add: I have tended not to have flings.
My romantic interests came from friendship, though when my husband and I started dating we hadn't had much time to be just friends first...but we sort of instantly became good friends, then great friends, then best-friends while our romantic relationship developed.
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posted March 06, 2013 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Little Doe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Odette:
Agree or Disagree?

Please explain why, and post your Venus - sign/house/aspects.. (and anything else you think is relevant)

Thank you


The way I see it romantic love is a deepend form of friendship (I´m talking about true love, not lust). So romantic love is most important, because that person will ultimately be your best friend. You are one.

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posted March 06, 2013 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The two are usually one in the same for me.

Venus in Gemini 2nd house.
Uranus opposite Venus.
Venus trine vertex
Sun & Asc semi-sextile Venus
venus sesqui quadrate pluto

Sun parallel Venus.
Neptune,Uranus,and Saturn contra-parallel Venus.

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posted March 06, 2013 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Friends, for sure, to me romance can mess up a friendship when you were better off just staying friends.

-Venus in Scorpio
-Venus conjoins Mars
-Venus opposite Saturn

My one caveat is I'll be upfront at first and if nothing is happening then we can be great friends. In fact my best friendships have started that way.

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posted March 06, 2013 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, and I believe that it is the basis for sustainable romantic love, as opposed to simple lust.

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posted March 06, 2013 05:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScorpioMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
100% agree. I can't imagine loving someone I can't be friends with first. Also, I'd rather date a long-time friend rather than dating a stranger in order to get to know them. I'd LOVE to have a deep, unconditional friendship with someone, but, if I never have a romantic relationship, I wouldn't feel too bad.

Venus in Gemini in the third house.
Venus Semi-sextile Sun in Cancer. Other than that my venus is unaspected.

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posted March 06, 2013 05:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7thGuardian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I couldn't be in a relationship with someone just for Romantic Love (Eros), i can't relate with that alone. Mainly, I need a person that i can call a real/true friend (Philia) - while Eros is a bonus, the spice to that relationship.

Sun in House 11 - without a true friend my Sun (inner/true self - my identity) gets weaker and weaker - till a point where it fades away... My Sun is Gemini - so communication is very important to me.

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posted March 06, 2013 05:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
of course. i have aqua sun and venus and want my lover to be my friend, just a friend i do other stuff with.

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posted March 06, 2013 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starfairy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Agree. As a sag I look for someone who is more of a pal. As a Venus cap, I'm very slow to commit, so building a friendship is best for me. The problem is that I have had venus square Pluto in synastry with every guy I've been with, and this aspect is not very friendly!

Venus in cap in the 2nd house
Venus square moon
Venus conjunct Jupiter
Venus sextile Saturn
Venus trine north node
Venus conjunct anti-vertex

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posted March 06, 2013 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for somethingexcellent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's either one or the other with me! At times one's more important, and at other times, the other.

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posted March 06, 2013 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScorpioMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A lot of air venus in here. And scorp venus too. (:

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posted March 06, 2013 05:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I have 9th House Saggie in Neptune and it sort of matches my approach to this question

I just like having friends moreso then having various love interests. I've only had a few times where friendship turned into more.

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posted March 06, 2013 06:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhouser     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Odette:
Agree or Disagree?

Please explain why, and post your Venus - sign/house/aspects.. (and anything else you think is relevant)

Thank you


Interesting topic, and one that's not discussed often enough.

I would have to say that I'd like a though line of friendship in a relationship, since when romatnic love has its sour moments, it can turn ugly, especially without that spine of friendship to hold it together. In terms of friendship in a relationship, for me I like someone who can at least talk to who will listen when I could really use that, and I'd reciprocate that as well. In terms of romance, there are countless ways to demonstrate that, both conventional and unconventional. Frankly, I wouldn't want to have to choose between friendship or romantic love since, for me, both are important, even vital. Sure, there will be times when the friendship elements of a relationship will be tested, but I'd rather there be a slight drop-off in the romance that I can pick back up than have the relationship fall apart because the friendship died. People might find this an interesting post given my Venus placement and aspects.

Venus in Pisces conjunct asc. on the 12th house side; conjunct Jupiter (in Pisces), trine Saturn (Rx in Cancer), square Neptune (in Sagittarius), sextile Mars (in Capricorn), semi-sextile Moon (in Aquarius).

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posted March 06, 2013 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for freebrainstorms     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ok, mental note: become best friends immediately with the gemini venus i'm crushing on lol

how can love exist if there's no friendship?
friendship>romantic love

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posted March 06, 2013 07:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think romantic love offers the chance for a kind of friendship that goes deeper than usual friendship.

Even though I tend to prefer the company of women to men (for reasons I've already explained at LL a few times), I have found that, through life, I am capable of greater emotional closeness with men than women.

I think it's an opposites attract thing; or, more accurately, a "key fits into lock" satisfaction in hearing a different, complementary point of view.

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posted March 06, 2013 07:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I love that so many people have said friendship or a mix of both since a long-term romantic relationship is also a close friendship.
I feel the same way basically. But many of the people in my life seem more focused on attraction & love than they are on making friends.
My NN/Venus are in the 11th so friendship seems extra important to me.

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I think romantic love offers the chance for a kind of friendship that goes deeper than usual friendship.

I completely agree Faith!

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posted March 06, 2013 07:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was wondering why the whole "friend zone"-hatred is mostly attributed to men.

Are men more likely to place greater importance on sex/romance than friendship?

Or do you thing it is more so age-related?

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Got Gemini??
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posted March 06, 2013 07:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini??     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Absolutely unequivocally agree! The euphoric feeling of love comes and goes like the wind. It's the friendship that will sustain the two during the periods when the love euphoria is waning.

Love without friendship won't last. As soon as the euphoria wanes, one of the two or both will misinterpret the waning as falling out of love if they aren't mature and have some solid experience.

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posted March 06, 2013 07:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i do not give importance to friendship but i suppose all my partners have been friends. in theory i just don't. also that's because i'm a slow taurus lol!

ruler of my 11th conjuncts descendant.

my sun and venus are in 7th.

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quote:
Originally posted by Odette:
I was wondering why the whole "friend zone"-hatred is mostly attributed to men.

Are men more likely to place greater importance on sex/romance than friendship?

Or do you thing it is more so age-related?


friendzone- men

he's not just into you- women

lol i think it's just media. i've never had an actual friendzone discussion with any of my guy friends save a crack about it here or there.

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