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Topic: ASC is most important. finally figured it out!!!
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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted June 15, 2013 05:06 AM
  
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I agree with this but imo at the end of the day, the sun sign trumps both the moon and rising sign.I think it is most obvious with people who have their sun square their asc sign. For example, Martha Stewart has scorpio rising. But does she seem more like a scorpio or a leo to you? I'd say she seems (and even looks) more like a proud leo. How about Jennifer Garner. She has cancer rising, but does she seem more like a cancer or an enthusiastic, smiley, energetic aries? I'd say aries. Or John Mayer. He has cancer rising. But does he seem more like a smooth guy, detached, ladies man libra? Or more like his rising sign cancer? I'd say libra You could do that over and over, with tons of people. Not even just ones with the sun-asc square. Does Robin Williams seem more like a serious intense and sometimes energetic scorpio? Or more like his friendly cute cuddly mothering cancer sun? I'd say cancer sun. Does Celine Dion seem more like her cancer rising? Or more like her energetic enthusiastic Aries sun? Obv Aries. How about Mariah Carey who also has cancer rising and aries sun? She's obv energetic and enthusiastic and not too shy...so there we go again. How about Robert Deniro. Does he act more like his leo sun or his cancer rising? Yes he seems kind of sweet and certain situations...but OVERALL he acts like his proud bright leo sun that steals the spotlight. Does Angelina Jolie seem more like a seductive, detached, fashionable and somewhat eccentric temptress like all gemini women are in some way (think marilyn monroe), or is she more of a cute shy cuddly sensitive cancer? No, not really. She's more like a gemini woman that acts shy in social situations...but her gemini sun stands out way brighter than any nervous/hypersensitive cancer vibes.
Here are more cancer rising examples. Do all these people act like a nervous/shy cancer to you? Most of them don't. Only Liv Tyler, Karen black, and Meryl Streep do..the only sun in cancer people there. http://www.librarising.com/astrology/risingsigns/cancerrising2.html
I just noticed your mentioned Celine Dion being Aries sun with Cancer rising and this reminds me of what I typed...the Aries sun will be the focal point because of the exaltation so it WOULD be more obvious than the Cancer rising sign, unless the moon is strongly placed and aspected. Nothing in the chart will diminish the Aries sun except if it is completely buried in house 12, maybe. Then it could have less fire.IP: Logged |
Jessica2407
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posted June 15, 2013 05:14 AM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I feel as if my ego has been demoted this life since I have some Martian issues and the sun is so inactive and boring. I shouldn't forget the quintiles. Mars and Uranus are the only two planets that have them. Sun is barely aspected except for the Saturn trine and an overly wide square to Mars. The condition of Sun and Mars leads me to believe my ego has been deflated.
Do you feel it? It's SO common for me to get into ego conflicts. I don't have to try very hard. Even the type of guys that I attract/are attracted to me are powerful and have a big ego.At first their impulse is wanting to ''tame'' me.
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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted June 15, 2013 05:20 AM
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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
Do you feel it?It's SO common for me to get into ego conflicts. I don't have to try very hard. Even the type of guys that I attract/are attracted to me are powerful and have a big ego.At first their impulse is wanting to ''tame'' me.
You probably end up taming them instead, heh.What I experience with most people is their directness and bossiness because of the Aries energy and they feel challenged by me, like to argue. They feel conflicted and troubled towards me. IP: Logged |
Jessica2407
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posted June 15, 2013 05:21 AM
YEAH!! LOLHow did you guess?? IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted June 15, 2013 05:22 AM
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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
YEAH!! LOLHow did you guess??
With the planets in the "other" sector, including the strongly placed sun, it's an obvious and logical conclusion. You could have been royalty in a past life, maybe? IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted June 15, 2013 05:22 AM
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Jessica2407
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posted June 15, 2013 05:26 AM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
With the planets in the "other" sector, including the strongly placed sun, it's an obvious and logical conclusion. You could have been royalty in a past life, maybe?
Funny you say that. That's what a nadi astrologer told me. pfftt I didn't believe him! IP: Logged |
Jessica2407
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posted June 15, 2013 05:32 AM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jessica2407:
[b] Do you feel it?It's SO common for me to get into ego conflicts. I don't have to try very hard. Even the type of guys that I attract/are attracted to me are powerful and have a big ego.At first their impulse is wanting to ''tame'' me.
You probably end up taming them instead, heh.What I experience with most people is their directness and bossiness because of the Aries energy and they feel challenged by me, like to argue. They feel conflicted and troubled towards me. [/B][/QUOTE] Do you feel you can manage these situations? I mean do you feel you are at best managing conflicts? IP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming
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posted June 15, 2013 05:34 AM
Omggg stop saying I'm dismissing the ASC as a mask.
I said it literally defines the way you approach life! That is very important. The reason it is a mask is because it is something you are striving to be, and not who you really are.
It is how you really are, actually, but more like....when you have to think about the face you'll show someone.I agree with what every said about the asc not being just a mask. It is your point of view on the world. But when i say mask i don't mean to downplay its importance. I just dont think you should say the asc is more important than the sun. Look at a the examples i posted and think of anyone you know or have known for MORE than a week lol. Their sun is always more apparent than their rising. That's the best evidence right there. ------------------
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Jessica2407
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posted June 15, 2013 05:38 AM
^^ Ummmm,I'm everything that my ASC represents since its ruler is in the same sign as my sun.IP: Logged |
Lunae
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posted June 15, 2013 05:55 AM
What if your chart ruler is in detriment and is badly aspected? What effect would that have?IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted June 15, 2013 09:22 AM
I am with RAS on this one.The ASC is not a mask but our "essence" is our SUN, not ASC. ASC is the filter through which you express your Sun's energy. And the Sun is always important in every chart, come on people! Every planet revolves around it. It's our life force.
Lunae,
A weak chart ruler could point to a late bloomer, someone who needs extra time / experience to fully develop their personality and understand themselves.
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Lunae
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posted June 15, 2013 10:09 AM
So that means someone with a weak chart ruler would have difficulty expressing the true qualities of their sun?IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted June 15, 2013 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
Do you feel you can manage these situations? I mean do you feel you are at best managing conflicts?
Hahahaha, I just want peace. IP: Logged |
Jessica2407
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posted June 15, 2013 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Hahahaha, I just want peace.
hehe. For me it's a little ambiguous. I mean who likes to get into conflicts? No one, am no exception. BUT I feel so ALIVE when am dealing with a conflict. I don't know how to explain it better than this and I don't know which aspects would explain it either. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted June 15, 2013 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
hehe.For me it's a little ambiguous. I mean who likes to get into conflicts? No one, am no exception. BUT I feel so ALIVE when am dealing with a conflict. I don't know how to explain it better than this and I don't know which aspects would explain it either.
Actually the idea of something going badly kinda worries me and when something is going great, including other people, I long for it to last forever. Seems like something always tries to create chaos though. I tend to blame fate. Some things seem entirely up to that.A lot of times my life seems full of misunderstandings, chaos and confusion. I think of Jupiter as my protector in a sea of chaos, that's how I view it. Moon opposite Neptune is so strong in my chart, I notice it's effects everyday. Maybe my life's lesson is to become this extremely calm, stoic person who never gets ruffled by any trouble in my life.
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Jessica2407
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posted June 15, 2013 12:42 PM
^^ I know what you mean. Initially when the ego conflicts arise it would disturb me because I would prefer things to be going smoothly but once I have accepted it mentally like ''okay this is going to be a problem if not solved'' then I would put my all into doing what I think it's best for me.IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted June 15, 2013 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
^^ I know what you mean. Initially when the ego conflicts arise it would disturb me because I would prefer things to be going smoothly but once I have accepted it mentally like ''okay this is going to be a problem if not solved'' then I would put my all into doing what I think it's best for me.
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12thhouser
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posted June 15, 2013 12:45 PM
Although our sun sign is our essence, I’d question it "trumping" other factors in the chart. Two or more people could have the same sun sign, even born the same day, but at different times — different ascendants. As someone pointed out earlier, if two people are born an Aries, and due to their different time of birth, one has their sun in the 5th, while another has it in the 12th, they will comes across much differently, and even see themselves much differently. Something I once read stated that we’re not so much a combination of Ascendant / Sun / Moon as much as Ascendant / Signs that rules the house our sun and moon are in / etc. (i.e., a with Leo rising with Cap sun in the 6th house and Aqua moon in the 7th could have Virgo and Libra traits—Leo/Virgo/Libra, or at least those influences). I’ve heard people describe themselves more by the house their sun is in rather that their sun sign.IP: Logged |
Jessica2407
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posted June 15, 2013 01:01 PM
There's a reason why a natal chart consists of 12 houses with 10 planets (excluding NN and SN).The ASC is not a planet,it's our rising sign.It sets off the chart so that all ''actors'' take up their role. Why should one planet ''trump'' up the others. I don't get it.They all have their importance. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted June 15, 2013 01:07 PM
One planet can trump the others when it is dignified by house or sign or has stronger aspects like conjunctions and oppositions or perhaps it is conjunct the south node? I just read conjuncting the south node is more important than it being angular in my chart and I never really identified with Pluto that much but yeah, maybe it's more important than I realize. I have too many planets to focus on so I feel as if my attention is scattered. I long to obsess on just one. Can't do that here. I guess Pluto does have a say in it.Western astrologers have been trained to sorta obsess on the sun sign because it's easier to write paragraphs on that. Many books astrology novices read are devoted to sun signs so they think it's what matters most. IP: Logged |
Jessica2407
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posted June 15, 2013 01:14 PM
I have sun in a dignified house, I have moon in cancer, uranus in scorp. I have loads of Sun,Uranus,Neptune,Saturn aspects.NN squares most of my personal planets except the moon. So which trumps which? My 7th house stellium guarantees a mixed bag of attractions. Believe me I feel almost all my planets as much as I feel my moon and Sun.The only planet that I don't know how it works exactly in my chart is Jupiter. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted June 15, 2013 01:19 PM
Sun in Leo is stronger because the sun is important, like Jkitty pointed out, it just matters more in some charts than it does others. So, with it in Leo, angular, lots of aspects, it is very important in your life. It is stronger than the moon because the sun will trump the moon if given the chance. It isn't always given it. Moon only revolves around the earth while earth revolves around the sun.IP: Logged |
Jessica2407
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posted June 15, 2013 01:27 PM
Yes indeed! Nice way to explain it!I see your point. Plus it conjuncts my DSC almost exact,it's 1 46 degree in leo. Am a first decan Leo.IP: Logged |
foxxyxo
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posted June 15, 2013 01:29 PM
like i said lmao its a blend!!!!!!!! you literally feel both equally. no mask shananigansssssssssss o yea and im starting to think mercury is extremely important too with how you come off. this is huge and also another reason why people get confused when i say im cappy i have merc in sagittarius and with aries rising also, i must come off really fiery and just impulsive, and i feel like that too, everything is expressed not cappy like lol also cappy suns with uranus and neptune thrown in there, deff not your average cappys!!!! thats me  hahah i also know an aquarius sun with mercury in pisces and for the longest time i thought he was a pisces because of how he communicated with me... IP: Logged |
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