posted June 14, 2013 03:56 AM            

ASC is what you are. period.

even though i am cap sun i identify more with aries but with just more steady persistence and ambition and more realistic. my moon is libra so i guess i could say im more charming than your average aries gal my venus scorpio so im a really i guess sensual aries but very very loyal.

o yea and i never make any cap friends cause they think im too "crazy" lol every friend i have is either air or fire mainly air, and 99% of time they're aquarians...

the sun shows where your going to shine in your chart and what house it is in so your ASC will be inclineeed to go towards the suns qualities but they must work for it, it is not naturally there, but during life you will grow more into your sun sign

posted June 14, 2013 04:01 AM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
The ascending degree is the most important thing in the natal chart because it shows what happened the moment you entered the world. You are correct, it is what you are. If you have a chart with an accurate birth time, you can tell a lot about an individual by focusing on the ascending degree. Also, the planet or luminary that rules the ascending degree also rules the entire chart so yes, very important and telling.

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I agree with this but imo at the end of the day, the sun sign trumps both the moon and rising sign.

I think it is most obvious with people who have their sun square their asc sign.

For example, Martha Stewart has scorpio rising. But does she seem more like a scorpio or a leo to you? I'd say she seems (and even looks) more like a proud leo.

How about Jennifer Garner. She has cancer rising, but does she seem more like a cancer or an enthusiastic, smiley, energetic aries? I'd say aries.

Or John Mayer. He has cancer rising. But does he seem more like a smooth guy, detached, ladies man libra? Or more like his rising sign cancer? I'd say libra

You could do that over and over, with tons of people. Not even just ones with the sun-asc square.

Does Robin Williams seem more like a serious intense and sometimes energetic scorpio? Or more like his friendly cute cuddly mothering cancer sun? I'd say cancer sun.

Does Celine Dion seem more like her cancer rising? Or more like her energetic enthusiastic Aries sun? Obv Aries. How about Mariah Carey who also has cancer rising and aries sun? She's obv energetic and enthusiastic and not too shy...so there we go again.

How about Robert Deniro. Does he act more like his leo sun or his cancer rising? Yes he seems kind of sweet and certain situations...but OVERALL he acts like his proud bright leo sun that steals the spotlight.

Does Angelina Jolie seem more like a seductive, detached, fashionable and somewhat eccentric temptress like all gemini women are in some way (think marilyn monroe), or is she more of a cute shy cuddly sensitive cancer? No, not really. She's more like a gemini woman that acts shy in social situations...but her gemini sun stands out way brighter than any nervous/hypersensitive cancer vibes.

posted June 14, 2013 04:07 AM            

hmmmm i wonder about the degrees..mine is aries 0 degrees and like 71 seconds and my mars sagittarius 22 degrees

posted June 14, 2013 04:43 AM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I can see why some people think the sun is the most important thing but what about the way the ascendant sets the entire chart by determining what sign and degree is on the eastern horizon at birth? It just seems like it is the most important thing because it determines where everything in the chart will go, including sun, moon, planets. So, I can see why someone would say it "is" what you are, because it determines what rules each house and these are all you.

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The ASC shows what your outlook on life is. It's well known as "the mask" in astrology.
The word mask, infers that there is a fake persona and a real persona.
Guess what the real persona is xDD --->the Sun.<--

I'm not denying the ASC is important. I mean it literally shows the way you approach situations. Libra rising approaches everything as sweetly and diplomatically as possible, aries rising approaches things as if it were them against the world, cancer rising approaches things by sidestepping from them like the crab.

BUT at the end of the day, the sun is your real self. Yes, the asc shows how you APPROACH things. It's almost like the way you WISH you actually approached things...the way that you want others to THINK that you approach things. (social mask)
But then the sun is how you rEALLy approach things, behind what you would like others to think of you.
I'm a cancer sun with libra rising. I want people to think of me as being diplomatic and sweet. But the truth is I'm not at all...I'm crabby and revengeful. lmao. It doesn't mean that's still not the face i want to show the world, though.

SORRY BUT THAT IS THE TRUTH END OF STORY. Millions of websites say the ASC is your social mask, and the stereotype you fell into when you were young and now find hard to come out of. They all say it's the way you wish others saw you, and not the way you actually are. Millions of websites can't be wrong, and I've done my research.

posted June 14, 2013 07:30 AM              

But that energetic core of you, yes, that would be the Sun.

Actually I don´t see any kind of contest there. The Sun, Moon and ASC are all very vital parts of you and together shape your personality and what and how you perceive and how you act and react as response to external and also internal stimuli. Let´s not forget the Moon here.

And for your examples. Actually in most of these cases I can see a COMBINATION of the mentioned Suns and rising signs.
What would interest me even as much is the placement of the ASC-rulers and the dispositors of Sun and Moon.

Let me use myself as an example:
Sun: Sagittarius (conj. Mercury)
Moon: Aquarius
ASC: Sagittarius (conj. Neptune)

Sun-disp: Pisces
Moon-disp: Scorpio (traditional Cancer)
ASC-ruler: Pisces

I am not "just" Sagittarius; my core personality (intrapersonal) is a blend of all of these.

And then we haven`t even started looking at the relational or social side of the personality, in which Venus, Mars, DESC and DESC-ruler play a vital role. (though of course we always bring our primary threeness of Sun-Moon-ASC into relationships as well).

posted June 14, 2013 07:45 AM              

The ASC sais: Who am I in relation to my environment?
(what shapes our reactions to it? What gets our attention? How do we express our core "Who am I" externally? Who am I when I am put into a physical existence?)

posted June 14, 2013 09:53 AM            

I do feel my Ascendant is most notable in my case, so I do agree with you, but only in my personal circumstance. I've never really felt like I understood me until I'd read a description of my rising sign. Before I ever even knew there was more than just Sun signs, I was drawn to Leo horoscopes and descriptions. "Gosh that sounds so much like me, but I was born in March. what the heck is going on, astrology is BS." <<<that thought crossed my mind more than once.

Then I stumbled acrossed a wonderful book, my first astrology book, in my friend's collection: "The Only Astrology Book You'll Ever Need" by Joanna Martine Woolfolk. A bit arrogantly titled, but a lot of astrology websites use quotes from it without actually quoting the book/author..But I'm getting off topic..
I used the very basic ASC sign charts in the back of the book and a straight-edge ruler to figure out that I had a Leo ASC...it didn't tell me what degree, just for sure that my ASC was Leo, because the book based it's chart on the Whole Sign system. Her description of Leo Rising fit me like the author had some deep, intimate knowledge of me personally.

My Sun is still a very important part (it's my chart ruler!) of who I am, it's just not all of who I am. I think my Sun sign rules my inner/base reactions and emotions, while my ASC rules my publicly viewed ones. They usually go hand in hand though, with my Sun trine ASC.

posted June 14, 2013 10:02 AM            

i feel they freaking compete!

i dont like it- i prefer cap to gemini as an energy -gemini is too superficial- to be honest i am very flighty cant keep still fluttery etc BUT i plot and plan and there is a method to my madness- i am a bit insane though- in my own way=- not even a cool way alas just ugh.

posted June 14, 2013 10:06 AM            

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Originally posted by sharpei:
im gemini rising cap sun.

i feel they freaking compete!

i dont like it- i prefer cap to gemini as an energy -gemini is too superficial- to be honest i am very flighty cant keep still fluttery etc BUT i plot and plan and there is a method to my madness- i am a bit insane though- in my own way=- not even a cool way alas just ugh.

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posted June 14, 2013 10:42 AM            

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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
If some were as confident in their opinions on this as they claim to be, there wouldn't be any need to write endless paragraphs or type in caps.

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#giggles