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Topic: Bizarre Sidereal / Tropical Mirroring? (Twinflame Synastry)
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IndigoDirae Moderator Posts: 3400 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted October 19, 2013 05:02 PM
quote: Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan: You know this is another thing that I find the freakiest and most intriguing — the similarities and coincidences that we share. I blame Vertex lol, his Vertex is on my Desc. We too resemble one another, despite being from different backgrounds, from different parts of the world; I'm Afghan, he's European. Even some of my friends have noticed this. It especially obvious in our eyes, they have the same "look" to them, same shape, same colour, etc. Same thing with our face shape/features/bone structure, right down to our limbs/hands and skin colour Its pretty spooky. Even our personalities and mannerisms are the same lol. This is what got me wondering about him initially, how much he reminded me of myself. The level of ease, comfort and familiarity I felt towards him was profound, like I had known him forever and I could be myself with him without any barriers. Its scary at times, but I'm starting to get used to it now lol
Yeah, I can echo pretty much everything you said. Especially the 'holy God, this is terrifying!' part, which was both the draw and repulsion for both of us. We just know we've both got to be completely in this, and that day isn't here yet. Sigh. I'm okay. I used not to be. It was VERY hard getting to this place, but I finally accept what is my life now, and I'm dedicated to doing what I have to do. Not in a trudging, one-foot-before-the-other way, but in a digging in, making it the best it can be, and getting to where I NEED to be so I AM ready when the time comes.
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14228 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted October 20, 2013 02:50 PM
Can you do me a favour and look up the composites / Davisions for the twinflames again you posted? And check for these soulmate pairings (within 2-3 degree orb only): Eros - Psyche Osiris - Isis Siva - Kaali or Parvati Pluto - Proserpina or Persephone Adonis - Venus or Aphrodite Ariadne - Bacchus or Dionysos IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae Moderator Posts: 3400 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted October 20, 2013 03:08 PM
Me and Fate or ... are you speaking to someone else, Ceri? Also, I wanted to add (but I was in a rush) that we also have VX/ASC DW. So, there's that. Lemme look up the other stuff. The aspects aren't as interesting with Eros and Psyche as the whole picture is, though. IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae Moderator Posts: 3400 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted October 20, 2013 03:42 PM
A'right. My Psyche: Gemini / Aquarius Decan / Aquarius Dwad His Eros: Aquarius / Gemini Decan / Gemini Dwad His Psyche: Aquarius / Libra Decan / Aquarius Dwad My Eros: Scorpio / Pisces Decan / Pisces Dwad ( ... Yeah.) As we can clearly see here, there's a huge synergy from his Eros to my Psyche. Not so much the other way around. Aspects-wise ... nothing special. Our Eroses tightly squared. Psyches trine. His Eros loosely-can-we-even-call-that-a-trine? my Psyche His Psyche biseptile my Eros. But our whole friggin' relationship is SO incredibly Psyche/Eros, it's practically unbelievable. I can only imagine that's the odd synchrony going on with the combined Aquarius / Gemini influence. Incidentally, his chartruler - and mine. Uranus and Mercury. Our Uranus and Mercury are also exactly semisextile. There's a LOT of interplay with those two. Also, his Venus-Eros / Mars-Psyche MP is exactly trine my Sun - and smack on my SNode. (Which, yes, means his Venus, Eros, Mars, and Psyche are ALL on my SNode.) Kind of interesting stuff. So. That's Eros and Psyche. ;p IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae Moderator Posts: 3400 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted October 20, 2013 04:02 PM
Isis and Osiris are playing an odd game of almost-tag in my chart. They're about 8 orb away from each other; toying with a conjunction, but parallel. Isis is right on my NNode. Here's where it gets a bit ' ... oh ... huh ... hmm ... '. They're doing the exact same thing in his chart. They're 8 orb away from a conjunction - but not really doing much in terms of his Nodes - nor are they parallel. Curiously, my Vesta is conjunct and parallel my Isis. His Isis and Vesta are contraparellel. Synastry, however, is a different story. My Isis to his Osiris ... semiquintile. That's it. However ... His Osiris is also semiquintile my Isis. I'll admit, to me, this feels significant. 'Semiquintile' somehow sounds like us. 'Semi' and 'quintile'. The 'not quite there' something. The close-but-not-yet syndrome. There's an odd synchrony, too. His Osiris is in the Libra decan; my Isis, the Aries. Curious, no? So, that's my take. There's an energy there, an interplay, but it's not quite doing anything yet. It's the composite, yet again, which becomes a bit ... Exact conjunction -and- parallel in Virgo. (Degree of my ASC and his VX.) So ... who the eff knows about any of it, right? It's like I'm in this constant state of, 'this life! ... no, not this one. Yes! This one! Wait ... maybe not - no, this one. Definitely. Actually ... ' It gets ... tiresome. And that's Isis and Osiris, per Fate and I. IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae Moderator Posts: 3400 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted October 20, 2013 04:28 PM
Siva and Kaali! :rubs hands together: All new to me, so this oughta be fun.Turns out my Siva is WTF out there. 47N. ... Well okay then. I'll have to do some digging. Not much on the natal side of things. Loose opposition: about 4 orb; Siva's tightly square my Sun-Pluto, though. (And, I think, on my Schrodinger ... which is neither here nor there. I'm simply always amused by points on my Schrodinger. Like my costar - who will henceforth be known as The Hatter, since, let's face it; that point is doing a lot in his chart. So, Mr Fate and The Hatter. Whattalife.) Back to the topic at hand. Kaali may also be loosely square my Sun. It's about 2 orb. I could count it, if I found it configured into something else. Either way, my Sun (and or Pluto) seems locked into a Siva and Kaali T-Square. Uhhh ... hmm. Fate, curiously, has some Kaali action going on: it's exactly conjunct his Psyche-Mars. Not sure what that's about. (Maybe with that Magion-Sun exact conjunction on the GC, he is a friggin' wizard.) ;P His Kaali's rather touch-and-go with my Siva, though. Loose quincunx. Very loose. Like, 5 orb. Now, his Siva's trine his Eros (exact) and Venus (2 orb). It's also parallel my Saturn, and on our Junos. Not sure what (if anything) is going on there - but thought I'd mention. His Kaali is also parallel his Eros-Psyche parallel. So he has this interesting Psyche/Eros energy with his Siva/Kaali. FWIW. (Which makes his Mars/Psyche/Kaali on my SNode, of course.) Synastrically, no real synchrony going on. Curiously, my Kaali's dwad is Cancer, while my Siva is in Cancer. His Siva's dwad is in Aquarius, with his Kaali in Aquarius. It's interesting how we individually have a Siva/Kaali synchrony. At the end of the day, his Siva is loosely square my Kaali. That's all I'm seeing there. We've got Siva right on the MC in our composite. Kaali, on the other hand, is parallel the Sun. There's a loose quincunx in terms of aspect. I'm gonna say, all in all, nothing with Siva/Kaali. IP: Logged |
tgem Knowflake Posts: 1895 From: Registered: Jan 2013
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posted October 20, 2013 04:55 PM
quote: Originally posted by IndigoDirae: Oh, man. Where to start ... I honestly don't know! It's like ... 8 years of unbelievable, 'you've got to be kidding me!' kind of stuff. We've overcome the sorts of things that most people wouldn't even attempt - no less actually manage. As to our similarities ... his mother has been confused online when we were responding in a thread, and it was late and she wasn't paying attention to the icons. We 'think' the same way - as well as communicate similarly, too. (Our Mercuries are exactly semisextile and parellel.) We've been called 'like you, but with a [insert appropriate genitalia here]. We have the same eyes: colour, shape, and features (dark rings with lighter flecks). He was born in the hospital where my uncle died; we were born in separate states, and still haven't lived in the same place, despite moving. But we are closer now, heh. We have the same vocal quirks, features, and odd ability to mimic whomever we're talking to. In fact, the only people we can be 'ourselves' with is each other - for some reason. We like all the same things. I mean ALL the same things. We just ended up gravitating to or growing up with the same influences. I spent way too much time devouring stand-up comedy, for example, during my adolescence, to the point where I became something of a comedy consultant strictly as a hobby. He's a professional comic. We met as writers, doing it for the exact same reasons, and I brought him on to my project without really giving it any thought. It just felt right. Years ago, when I was 19, I'd had a dream of what seemed to be my twin soul for the first time; I didn't recognise him. I didn't know him. All I was given was his birthday. Which is his birthday. (I'd forgotten this entirely until I was suddenly reminded by a friend of mine from that time who's born exactly one year off of it.) His instant messages (since we met online) would literally pop up in my dreams. I ALWAYS know when he's calling - right before he does. I can think something in my head - and he texts me the answer. BIZARRE, mind-altering, 'you've got to be kidding me!' sorts of things which have COMPLETELY changed my concept of what I thought reality was. Does that about cover it? ;p
@ Indigo and Ceri: Thank you so much for posting these similarities. I've been told the best way to get verification of a TF relationship, is to speak with people that are in bonefide TF relationships. Here's our similarities- what do you think? I was born at 8:22 AM...22 is a sign of a spiritual messenger. We met on the 15th of the month (TF sign) Our individual birthdays add up to a number that can be broken down to the number 11 We are 16 months apart and met under unusual circumstances in which I relocated to another state and rented a house 5 doors down from him AND now the interesting stuff: Physically we are mirrors of each other- both 6 feet tall and thin, he is dark hair, dark eyes and I am light hair, light eyes. Both left handed, both born on a Monday, both have last names that are verbs. Parallel lives: both had the same HS mascot (attended in different states,) both attended community college before transferring to 4 year college, both got married in the same year (to a spouse who tragically lost a parent,) both had children the same year, both have the same hobbies/tastes in music, food, sports, professional careers, and we both have only been sexually active with our spouses (what are the chances of that these days??!!) I see his name EVERYWHERE- and it's not a common name! Along with other constant signs... Astrologically we have Tons of Pluto and Saturn and a ton of DW's..without putting up the synastry here's a quick breakdown: (asteroids all under 3 orbs) My name square his groom My name conjunct his valentine In my natal, his first conjunct his last, both opp. my groom and EXACTLY trine my DSC My eros trine his psyche My Adonis conjunct his NN His briede square my NN My groom conjunct his NN Union trine union exact My Adonis square his Ishtar My amor conjunct his valentine Karma conjunct Osiris DW Vesta and Pallas conjunct POF DW Of course there's much more but those are the interesting ones. So asking people who have bonefide experience with their TF's , what do you think? ...as a side note, I'm seeing the 11:11 ALL THE TIME!!!! Makes me think I've gone completely nuts!!!!! ....sorry for the long novel, but felt it was important! Thanks for reading
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14228 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted October 20, 2013 04:55 PM
If you have the same angular distance between two planets natally, it will come up in the composite as well. If one is separating the other applyng, then the conjunction will be exact.The same does not go for the Davison, which is simply the midpoint of two birthdat. But the composite reflects these subtle, and sometimes not so subtle natal synchronicities. Yes, I meant something like that. In Mr Sags and my composite there is no big Isis-Osiris event (except they are semisextile with 3 degrees). The semisextile happens, because his Osiris is square my Isis by 3 degrees and his Isis quinkunx my Osiris by 2 degrees. I have an exact Isis-Osiris-conjunction natally on 8 Capricorn and his Draco Isis is on 8 Capricorn, while his tropical Isis conjuncts my SN exact. No wonder I was so deeply touched by his performance as Radames. lol In the Davison however
Isis 25.22 Leo Osiris 25.17 Leo in the 7th house We are born just one day apart (different years though). my birthday is the 18th december, his is the 19th.
Turns out in the Egyptian horoscope I was born on the last day of OSIRIS, he was born on the first day of ISIS. My first name is contained in his full name; his last name is contained in my full name. Just a few tidbits. lol
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IndigoDirae Moderator Posts: 3400 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted October 20, 2013 05:06 PM
Oh, wowzer. I added Parvati. We have a 1 orb conjunction in the composite; again, on the MC. Huh. That jives; the same thing is going on with our Siva and Parvati. Same signs, but only loosely conjunct. Mine in Cancer, his in Libra - it makes sense the composites' in Leo. Okay, here's what's up synastrically. Siva square Parvati. Parvati square Siva. I know. Shocking. (Note: mathematically sound in every way.) ;p So. Not much with Siva and Kaali. Similar pattern as Isis and Osiris, when it's Siva and Parvati. No idea what that means. Outside of my knowledge base. Happy to learn! IP: Logged |
tgem Knowflake Posts: 1895 From: Registered: Jan 2013
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posted October 20, 2013 05:08 PM
Interesting stuff Ceri. Just to add about soulmate pairings: I don't have proof of his birth time, but I just feel like I know his rising sign. If I'm accurate, then our composite has: NN conjunct psyche exact NN quincux valentine exact Isis conjunct OsirisIP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14228 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted October 20, 2013 05:32 PM
quote: Originally posted by IndigoDirae: Oh, wowzer. I added Parvati. We have a 1 orb conjunction in the composite; again, on the MC. Huh. That jives; the same thing is going on with our Siva and Parvati. Same signs, but only loosely conjunct. Mine in Cancer, his in Libra - it makes sense the composites' in Leo. Okay, here's what's up synastrically. Siva square Parvati. Parvati square Siva. I know. Shocking. (Note: mathematically sound in every way.) ;p So. Not much with Siva and Kaali. Similar pattern as Isis and Osiris, when it's Siva and Parvati. No idea what that means. Outside of my knowledge base. Happy to learn!
Indigo,
if you have a rather tight DW in synastry, it will come up int he composite again. Either as the exact aspect it was in natal, if both were applying or separating, or as a conjunction, if one is applying, the other separating. Siva and Parvati are a very valid pairing, too. True soulmates there.
Kaali can also be paired with Rudra and especially Mahakala (other name of Siva). "Sanskrit and Bengali works about Kali often mention
Mahakala as her partner and first devotee - the Siva who lies beneath her. " http://home.pacific.net.au/~ferment/mahakala.html IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae Moderator Posts: 3400 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted October 20, 2013 05:35 PM
His Pluto conjunct my Proserpina. In Scorpio. 'Nuff said. Oh, and parallel. 'Cause, y'know, why not. Pluto / Proserpina quindecile in the composite. Again. WTF not? Off-handedly, I'm pretty sure Hades and Persephone are opposite, but I can't remember right off the bat. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14228 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted October 20, 2013 05:36 PM
quote: Originally posted by tgem: Interesting stuff Ceri. Just to add about soulmate pairings: I don't have proof of his birth time, but I just feel like I know his rising sign. If I'm accurate, then our composite has: NN conjunct psyche exact NN quincux valentine exact Isis conjunct Osiris
How tight is the Isis-Osiris-conjunction?
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14228 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted October 20, 2013 05:37 PM
quote: Originally posted by IndigoDirae: His Pluto conjunct my Proserpina. In Scorpio. 'Nuff said. Oh, and parallel. 'Cause, y'know, why not. Pluto / Proserpina quindecile in the composite. Again. WTF not? Off-handedly, I'm pretty sure Hades and Persephone are opposite, but I can't remember right off the bat.
LOL
how tight is the Pluto-Proserpina. Sounds remarkable. Makes sense, too, all that being pulled down into the underworld and mature in the process-stuff. I am not using hypothetical planets though (Hades for instance - it is so slow anyway. lol)
Mr Sag and me have a DW of Pluto-Proserpina in synastry.
His Pluto sextile my Proserpina (0°21) his Proserpina trine my Pluto (1°41) Nice and friendly, right?
In the composite that merges together into a square between Pluto and Proserpina (1°01) with Proserpina being conjunct Venus by just under 2 degrees, and thus Venus also being square Pluto (0°45) - we have the Venus-Pluto-square natally both; it is a mirror image.
Anyway Proserpina is being in 12th house, Pluto in 8th house - isn`t that fitting for the underworld-theme?
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IndigoDirae Moderator Posts: 3400 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted October 20, 2013 05:40 PM
Oh, and this one I knew:His Adonis conjunct my Aphrodite/Adonis. In Libra. Parallel. His Adonis is also on my Sun/Pluto, contraparallel my Venus. His Aphrodite conjunct my ASC/Venus. Aphrodite and Adonis are both in Libra, out of sign, in the composite. Can't win 'em, all. ;p IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14228 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted October 20, 2013 05:45 PM
quote: Originally posted by IndigoDirae: Oh, and this one I knew:His Adonis conjunct my Aphrodite/Adonis. In Libra. Parallel. His Adonis is also on my Sun/Pluto, contraparallel my Venus. His Aphrodite conjunct my ASC/Venus. Aphrodite and Adonis are both in Libra, out of sign, in the composite. Can't win 'em, all. ;p
Orbs, I want to see orbs. Gosh, I need to check them myself. LOL (not the orbs, the asteroid pairs) IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae Moderator Posts: 3400 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted October 20, 2013 05:50 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: Kaali can also be paired with Rudra and especially Mahakala (other name of Siva).
Ha! Yep. His Rudra's on my Kaali; (Capricorn); his Mahakala square. And so, conjunct (and parallel) in our composite in Aquarius. The Rudra on his natal Venus-Eros, curiously enough. IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae Moderator Posts: 3400 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted October 20, 2013 05:56 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: Orbs, I want to see orbs. Gosh, I need to check them myself. LOL (not the orbs, the asteroid pairs)
Haha. 6. Well beyond what I usually consider. It's more the spirit of the matter (unless you're talking Pluto and Proserpina; those are tight) with Adonis and Aphrodite. If they weren't individually active, I'd pass them off as way too wide. It's the fact that it's on my Sun/Pluto/BML, tightly trine his Mars/Psyche which has me considering it doing anything at all. But I know for a fact it's doing something. Heh! I am, and I quote, 'perfect', his 'ideal, even'. And, good God, his smile will always get me. Okay, every friggin' thing about him will always get me. I guess my Sun/Pluto on my Aphrodite gives it a little oomph.
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14228 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted October 20, 2013 06:03 PM
Ah I am only interested in 2 degree orbs for composite/ Davison in this regard. Just for the purpose of research. Of course patterns are important and all, however ther eis a fine line to cross until everything will be in aspect to everything (using enough asteroids that is).
I certainly believe though that you feel it, no doubt aobut it. But I am also pretty certain if it was the 6 degree orb alone it wouldn`t be descriptive of that feeling. Something else comes into play, probably the parallel.
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IndigoDirae Moderator Posts: 3400 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted October 20, 2013 06:14 PM
Huh. We have an exact conjunction and parallel of NNode-Dionysus in the composite. 8H. (Ariadne is in Libra, not really square; not really connected.)His Bacchus is quintile my Ariadne, which is sesquisquare his Dionysus. So, not our 'thing'. But that Dionysus-NNode ... that's curious. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14228 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted October 20, 2013 06:16 PM
I am tired so I am just posting the composite / Davison.I thought Iwould start with Mr Law, just for curiosity sake of course. [/URL]
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(for some reason the Davisons are always more, uoh, difficult)
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IndigoDirae Moderator Posts: 3400 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted October 20, 2013 06:18 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: LOLhow tight is the Pluto-Proserpina. Sounds remarkable. Makes sense, too, all that being pulled down into the underworld and mature in the process-stuff. I am not using hypothetical planets though (Hades for instance - it is so slow anyway. lol)
Mr Sag and me have a DW of Pluto-Proserpina in synastry.
His Pluto sextile my Proserpina (0°21) his Proserpina trine my Pluto (1°41) Nice and friendly, right?
In the composite that merges together into a square between Pluto and Proserpina (1°01) with Proserpina being conjunct Venus by just under 2 degrees, and thus Venus also being square Pluto (0°45) - we have the Venus-Pluto-square natally both; it is a mirror image.
Anyway Proserpina is being in 12th house, Pluto in 8th house - isn`t that fitting for the underworld-theme?
Definitely! Wow. Good point on Hades, too. I'd never quite thought of it that way. It's a 2 orb. So, not crazy tight, but I count it. His Pluto being in Scorpio, and well, my Proserpina being rather active in my chart, too.
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IndigoDirae Moderator Posts: 3400 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted October 20, 2013 06:25 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: Ah I am only interested in 2 degree orbs for composite/ Davison in this regard. Just for the purpose of research. Of course patterns are important and all, however ther eis a fine line to cross until everything will be in aspect to everything (using enough asteroids that is).
I certainly believe though that you feel it, no doubt aobut it. But I am also pretty certain if it was the 6 degree orb alone it wouldn`t be descriptive of that feeling. Something else comes into play, probably the parallel.
Oh, that's synastrically. In the composite, there's no aspect. Aphrodite-Adonis is out-of-orb in Libra. Isis and Osiris are exact. Pluto-Proserpina are conjunct, but @ 4 - out of orb for your research. It has those themes, but not as overtly as other relationships. The Isis-Osiris jives, though. Definitely. And the Siva-Parvati / Kaali/Rudra... I'm guessing? I'll have to look into that. IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae Moderator Posts: 3400 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted October 20, 2013 06:27 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: Ah I am only interested in 2 degree orbs for composite/ Davison in this regard. Just for the purpose of research. Of course patterns are important and all, however ther eis a fine line to cross until everything will be in aspect to everything (using enough asteroids that is).
I certainly believe though that you feel it, no doubt aobut it. But I am also pretty certain if it was the 6 degree orb alone it wouldn`t be descriptive of that feeling. Something else comes into play, probably the parallel.
Which is why I don't consider things outside a 2 orb unless they're parallel. Possibly contraparallel - but usually, parallel. I'm with ya.
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 14228 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted October 20, 2013 06:27 PM
composite:Mars on the solstice of Venus (0°06) Siva square Kaali (1°20) Proserpina quindecile Pluto (0°45) Davison: Siva opposite Kaali (0°08) Proserpina conjunct Pluto (0°05) Psyche on the solstice of Eros (0°26) I find the line up of Pluto/Proserpina/Vesta and Atlantis on the IC most intriguing. I guess it is a no brainer where the Karmic stuff started, especially with the composite Atlantis being on the aries point, and dissecting the NN-Saturn-opposition. And this Davison Atlantis is conjunct both natal Plutos as well, which - surprise, surprise- rule the 12nd houses. Well, in composite the Atlantis on 00 degree Libra is a direct result of bothn atal Atlanits positions being exactly on the solstice / antiscion of each other. Mirror-images. Every two same natal objects being mirrorpoint each other will result in the composite object being around 00 Cardinal, usually LIbra or Aries.
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