posted October 27, 2013 05:34 AM            

Here is what I found in their synastry:

Her Selene square his Endymion 2°
His Selene opposite her Endymion 2°
His Artemis quincunx her Endymion 0°

Her Selene widely-conjunct his Sun 4°
Her Selene conjunct his Pluto 0°
Her Artemis conjunct his SN 1°
Her Endymion opposite his Mercury 1°
Her Endymion opposite his Pallas 0°
Her Endymion square his Mars 2°
Her Endymion trine her NN 1°

His Selene trine her Sun 2°
His Selene trine her Mercury 1°
His Selene trine her Neptune 0°
His Artemis square her Neptune 2°
His Artemis quincunx her Sun 0°

Her Endymion antiscia his Asc 1°
Her Endymion antiscia his Sun 2°

Her Selene contra-antiscia her Jupiter 0°
His Artemis contra-antiscia her Mars 0°

Composite:
Artemis square Endymion 3°
Artemis conjunct Desc 1°
Artemis square Uranus 0°
Selene square Venus 1°
Selene square Neptune 0°
Endymion opposite Uranus 2°
Endymion square Asc 1°

posted October 27, 2013 05:37 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I've seen that more prevalent with soul mates. Especially companion souls with special karma.

With twin souls, you tend to see more mirroring and many conjunctions.

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Also complimentary conjunctions (maybe also oppositions), parallels/ contraparallels and mirrorpoints.

posted October 27, 2013 08:22 AM            

(25-27 Pisces).

His is too wide to be called a conjunction (6 degrees), but his Endymion is opposite my Moon; actually my Moon is on the far midpoint of his Selene/Endymion exact.

posted October 27, 2013 08:27 AM            

in the composite the Draco Artemis on 17 Taurus (where my naame is located in my own chart) and the Draco Endymion on 13 Taurus and mean Lilith on 15 Taurus falls onto the tropical composite
ERos/Priapus/IC

posted October 27, 2013 08:31 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
lol
just noticed I have a conjunction of Artemis and Endymion of 2 degrees natally, framing my Draco ASC and his tropical ASC

(25-27 Pisces).

His is too wide to be called a conjunction (6 degrees), but his Endymion is opposite my Moon; actually my Moon is on the far midpoint of his Selene/Endymion exact.

Anyway, this results in the Composite into a wide conjunction of Endymion and Artemis (3°40)
they are also exactly parallel each other.

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Awesome!
I think with the parallel it would reinforce and strengthen the wide-conjunction in your composite.

posted October 27, 2013 08:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
LOL

in the composite the Draco Artemis on 17 Taurus (where my naame is located in my own chart) and the Draco Endymion on 13 Taurus and mean Lilith on 15 Taurus falls onto the tropical composite
ERos/Priapus/IC

oh and btw Uranus is on 12 Sorpio

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LOL
My SN is at Taurus 17° and second-NameAsteroid at Taurus 18°

posted October 27, 2013 05:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Awesome!
I think with the parallel it would reinforce and strengthen the wide-conjunction in your composite.

Btw,
Is Pallas aspecting Selene/Artemis/Endymion in your synastry?

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His Pallas squares my Selene exactly.
His pallas also parallels my Artemis very tightly.

The other aspect is too wide, but I name it nevertheless; you could say my Pallas is VERY loosely opposite his Endymion, but the orb is 4°20, so realy donīt feel comfortable to count it.

his Draco Pallas opposes my Endymion by 3 degrees
(also trines my Selene by 2 degrees, but I do not really count trines from Draco to tropical).

Interesting how HIS Pallas relates so much more strongly to this, as if actually it would be HIM being more receptive (third eye and all that) to it.

Interstingly my Juno (and Dr Valentine) are conjunct his Selene and Dr Artemis (yes they are conjunct).

His Juno on the other hand is trine my ARtemis-Endymion-conjunction.

Both are in Pisces, with his Juno being in Scorpio, and my Valentine trines his Juno and my Artemis-Endymion, while his Valentine widely trines my Juno on his Selene (his Valentine ot my Juno is 2°37)

There is something very watery with these placesments.

Also my Draco Endymion and Artemis are on 15 and 17 Cancer, with my tropical Saturn being in between, and all of this conjunct his Draco Neptune.

his Draco Artemsi and Endymion are in Pisces (18 and 12 Pisces), so you could say they are roughtly trine each other in the Dracos, too.

posted October 27, 2013 05:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
LOL
My SN is at Taurus 17° and second-NameAsteroid at Taurus 18°

I was wondering why you felt somewhat familiar to me. Guess this explains it

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Yes, I guess so.

posted October 27, 2013 05:50 PM            

Endymion (4 Gem) and ARtemis (8 Gemini) conjunct Dr Sun (5 Geminine)

Dr Endymion (13 Taurus) and Dr Artemis (17 -Taurus) and Dr mean Lilith (15 Taurus)
conjunct Eros (14 Taurus), Priapus (15 Taurus) and IC (16 Taurus).

posted November 13, 2013 03:19 PM            

On a personal level, I'll rage against any confirmation of his being my twin. Then, when I let go of my ego ... it's like the sky appearing blue due to Rayleigh scattering. Blatantly obvious. Undeniable.

We don't truly disconnect, either. We distance, but we're never -apart-. It's strange, explaining how I know what I know. For one, we're both scientists. Being unable to explain something by rational means is just ... gah! And yet, that's just how it is with us. Constantly.

I've accepted, and found a sort of peace in understanding it isn't our time now, and we've got more to learn and do. While we're both loners, mine seems to be connecting me (in some cases, with other loners) other people, to clear that karma and resolve those relationships. His journey is feeling more internal and solo to me. But it also seems the way he's to awaken to the level he needs to, for us to even be able to approach the work we'll have to do years from now.

So, lately, I've been delving into the hotly-debated topic of 'near twins' and what that means for our soul's evolution. I'd love to develop it more astrologically, but I'm as of yet learning which would be those markers comparatively.

posted November 13, 2013 03:44 PM            

But the more you fight it and pick at it, the more confusing it'll all just get for you;
because from one end, there's your soul telling you exactly what you need to hear and do at the moment, then on the other end there's ego/logical mind interfering...

I know how frustrating it be.

But what I would suggest to you right now is to bring your awareness to the present moment and let go of the "what-ifs", the "hows", the "why's", and "when's" and just feel freely all that is in your heart for him...
Don't fight against it, just acknowledge it, accept it, and embrace it.
I know it can be tough but that's one of the first steps to making peace with whatever it is that is bothering you...
It is what it is and its there for a reason.
You may not know the answers right now, but all you can do at the moment is to accept and surrender.
You've got nothing to lose and it will save you a lot of time, stress and energy...

Weather he is your real twin flame or not, you will know, trust me, whenever you are ready to receive the answers.
But for now, just accept it all, everything you feel for him and let go of any expectations or desired outcomes.
Keep yourself detached if you can and grounded/centred.
Its the most liberating feeling ever because you have then taken your own power into your own hands.
No one can take that away from you unless you let them.
Know that you are in the right place. exactly where you need to be at all times and trust your intuition.
Trust that you will be lead to exactly what you need...

This may not be the best advice right now but I hope I could help, somewhat.

I wish you the greatest of luck, Indigo

Hugs

posted November 13, 2013 05:19 PM            

I had a huge turning point early this morning - the first insomnia I've had in weeks - which I'm still processing.

(Incidentally, at this moment there's a song that just started playing: 'Are We?' by Karma featuring Michelle Amador. Look that one up.)

Years ago, 27 October was heralded as a very important day for me. I became aware of it in 2008, and thought, it must be soon! I honestly forgot entirely about the whole 'October the Twenty-Seventh' jazz until this past week, looking at the date and thinking, 'there's something to that, but I can't recall.' Then one of my soul-sisters suddenly popped up from nowhere and said, 'you realise it was October 27th, don't you?' I hadn't! I'd forgotten - entirely!

I also reconnected with my twin on 27 October 2011.

So, clearly, 4° Scorpio is 'something' for me (even if too far off my Sun/Moon @ 6°). I'm guessing it's the day the Sun conjoins the degree of my Karma. And my twin's Pluto. (We also have an exact conjunction of Karma-Destinn in the composite.)

27 October 2010 was also a big day; night, rather. A very intense, confusing, past-life triggering, karma-realising Hallowe'en event I'd attended.

Needless to say, I'm paying closer attention to my Karma Day.

Most interesting of all is the fact I can't simply say 'well, that's a very significant date for my twin and I,' because it's not just my twin. It's also my ... I hate the term 'near-twin', but that seems all there is right now.

So it's safe to say it's all me, right? My Karma Day.

Sure. Except 4° is where my 'NT' has his South Node.

Karma. Pluto. South Node.

You can't make this stuff up.

So as I've become more aware and confirmed in the realisation or understanding that Fate is my twin, and Hatter my 'near-twin', the more I've become resolved to have what is by all rights a 'twinflame relationship' with Hatter. Now. There being that strange understanding that, all in due time, Fate and I will do what we've gotta do.

THAT, in and of itself, has been a bizarre but very clear resolution. So I've been digging deeper into the two synastries and composites to better grasp astrological markers of and for each.

Now, my more 'current' work is to understand the near twin relationship. Some have argued it's just as essential as the twin bond, only 'different' with a 'different role'. I can say I echo that deeply.

posted November 14, 2013 08:41 AM            

My anubis quincux his BML, quintile anubis, opposite his spirit
His anubis sextile my moon, sextile NN, trine SN

My psyche trine his venus, opposite BML, sextile Hypnos, sextile psyche, conjunct ASC

My kaali conjunct his BML, trine Hypnos, trine, psyche, opposite ASC
His kaali trine my moon, trine NN

My aura conjunct his mars, trine his BML, conjunct Hypnos, trine psyche
His aura trine my ASC

My Pallas quincux his jupiter and BML, trine spirit
His Pallas sextile my ASC

My spirit trine his ASC, sextile psyche, square spirit
His spirit conjunct my mercury, trine Saturn and Neptune, trine Pallas, sextile Hypnos, opposite anubis

My priapus quincux his BML
His priapus conjunct my venus and sextile BML

My Selene conjunct his mercury, conjunct mars, quintile NN, sextile Artemis, sextile his Selene
His Selene quincux my moon, trine jupiter, trine ASC, trine my MC

My Artemis square his mars, quincux his Artemis
His Artemis quincux my venus, sextile NN, square MC

My Endymion quintile his moon, conjunct venus, quintile BML, and trine his Artemis
His Endymion opposite my moon, quincux venus, and trine BML

PHEW!!! I think that does it- don't really know how to distinguish parallels and contra-parallels so maybe there's some of those. Most of these are under 3 degrees with some 3's in there. So that's me and him for comparison

posted November 14, 2013 10:03 AM            

You have some nice spiritual-asteroid action going on!

But I'm curious, do you guys have any tight angle/point/luminary connections too?
As well as mirroing/complementing?

posted November 14, 2013 10:32 AM            

If so, yes absolutely. Here's just some:
His moon and mercury conjunct my DSC. his venus conjunct my MC, we have vertex conjunct ASC DW.

My sun and uranus conjunct his DSC. my Chiron conjunct his DSC. my Saturn conjunct his MC

His jupiter is conjunct my sun/moon midpt. Too and these are all fairly tight as well.

Here is some significant mirroring:
My sun is taurus 11th: his sun is in 2nd house (ruled by Taurus)
My moon is Gemini in 12th co-ruled by neptune and jupiter: his moon is in Sagittarius ruled by jupiter
My mercury is aries in 10th: his mercury is in capricorn who naturally rules the 10th
My venus is Gemini in the 12th ruled by Pisces: his venus is in Pisces
The only one I can't seem to connect is mars ( mine in 3rd house Leo and his in 2nd capricorn.)

**oh wait...just figured it out:
My mars in Leo. His mars in Capricorn. Cap ruled by Saturn at home in 10th. His 10th house is ruled by Leo.
Also leo is at home in the 5th. My 5th house ruler is venus, which is the ruler of his 2nd.

....and one more:the ASC
My ASC ruler is the moon. Moon's at home in the 4th house. The ruler of his 4th house is uranus which is in Scorpio ( his ASC).
His ASC ruler is mars/Pluto. Mars is at home in the 1st. The ruler of my 1st is the moon (my ASC.)

posted November 15, 2013 03:56 AM            

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Originally posted by tgem:

... we have vertex conjunct ASC DW.

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I think that's probably the strongest indicator I've seen so far. Took several years, but when he finally found his correct birthtime, I was blown away to find his ASC exactly on my VX.

posted November 15, 2013 04:17 AM            

That's what my TF and I posed in front of.

No, I'm not kidding. And my husband thought it'd be a huge lark. Since I was not ABOUT to leave without a photo documenting the event of being in the same space for the first time since he'd finally told me the truth, I did a very odd thing and made it a point to take it. Of course I couldn't be the photographer, so I handed my phone off to my husband and hoped for the best.

We ended up standing in front of a tapestry of Shiva and Shakti. Why was it there? We were at an Indian restaurant. (Don't ask me how many times that business card would randomly appear as if to taunt me! When I was trying to avoid him - of course.)

And there you go.

Wow.

How weird is that? But, I suppose, fitting for TFs.

Sigh. I guess I need to stop hiding behind acronyms and abbreviations.

Twinflames. Rather fitting, considering we're ... gah, type the words, type the words ...

I can't. I want to - but I can't. We're SO not ready. We are, as one of my characters from Lachesis says of the two characters we created, 'Worst. Twinflames. Ever.' Too much growing needed. There's been too much running, and fear, and ... and ...

Did you know he still calls me? He just needs to know I'm there, on some physical level. When I got back together with my ... augh, I hate this word, too - near twin? Whatever, but I don't like that term. But when I got back together with him, he suddenly stopped calling. I had not said a word. He just ... took a step back.

A week later, (it'd been almost three), I started really noticing it. Hell, I felt it. I appreciated it, but ... I DID appreciate the ability to really channel my emotion into this relationship, and feel all of the feelings I wanted to - not feeling 'split' or as if I wasn't fully 'in' it.

But it was ... HE ... was missing. I felt his unconscious (or conscious?) stepping back, and ... I don't know. Consciously, I appreciated it. But on some other level, I hated it. I wanted to try and reconnect again. I wanted to attempt to be friends. Friends who now had everything on the table and realised it was too painful to be 'maybe, casually, but who knows really?' together, when we're ... us. When we feel what we do, and we want ... what we are.

So I thought, in that deliberate way that I do, 'okay, this is BS. What's going on?' I mean, 3 weeks? That's an aeternity for us to be out of contact!

He called the next day. Basically echoing what I'd been saying. He swore that he didn't know why we were out of contact, but he'd suddenly realised we were and wanted to rectify it.

It's slow going. Every day after you've (re)connected but it's not yet Time To Do The Thing You're To Do ... it's like that McLachlan song, 'Do What You Have To Do'.

'What ravages of spirit conjured this temptuous rage? Created you a monster, broken by the rule of love? The yearning to be near you; I do what I have to do. But I have the sense to recognise that I don't know how to let you go. Every moment marked with apparitions of your soul. I'm ever swiftly moving - trying to escape this desire. I know I can't be with you - I do what I have to do.'

Ah, well. I have missed him so much. But I am - very much - enjoying this relationship with my near twin. It feels that's way overdue, and I'm grateful for the chance to be learning / purging all that it is we seem to be doing.

posted November 15, 2013 04:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
3 years ago IQ did an analysis on Mr Sag and me and he verbalized that he could be my Twinflame. Dear Lord, I was so NOT ready to hear this.

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You're not THAT late to the party, Ceri. We already know that's the case, right? ... Right?

And I know Fate's it. But it drives me crazy! Gah! Do you know how damned easy it'd be if it were my costar? He's here, he's actually surprisingly spiritually evolved, and we have a VERY powerful soul connexion. To the point where if Fate weren't in my life, I'd swear that that must be what's going on. Why? It's logical.

posted November 15, 2013 07:31 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
You're not THAT late to the party, Ceri. We already know that's the case, right? ... Right?

And I know Fate's it. But it drives me crazy! Gah! Do you know how damned easy it'd be if it were my costar? He's here, he's actually surprisingly spiritually evolved, and we have a VERY powerful soul connexion. To the point where if Fate weren't in my life, I'd swear that that must be what's going on. Why? It's logical.

Man, logic is SO not helpful when it comes to these things.

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That's the thing I've learned with logic in this case..logically you have to throw Everything out the window! I haven't spoken to him in a year and a half, yet I know there's the connection. I can feel it. Logic would tell you it's done, move on etc... Heck, mercury is the strongest in my chart including mercury opposite Pluto. I want concrete answers! Prove it to me! The hardest thing I've learned with the TF relationship/union is that it's hard , it won't make any sense, and you have to trust your intuition and soul over any logic...

posted November 15, 2013 03:37 PM            

" We already know that's the case, right? ... Right? "
Do we really?
Just these days I have been thinking, what if I am wrong once again. I am I have been there before (though never FELT that way before).

I don`t know, just these last days - and not only for the fact that my job is eating me up, has for the last 2 weeks, and it is not good if I am working too long hours. lol- I feel like a certain "disconnection".

BUT most likely it is just me, I am going in detachment mode, I am trying to pull up some defenses, ust in time.
Cause you know next week, saturday, there will this AFtershow event, and I am not sure how I can get through this. Or what is waiting on the other end of that night. Total frustration and resignation?
Likely.
I am just not sur eI can really go through all of that again.

I also feel, like I am actually angry with him, not sure why though. He never did anything wrong (Except challenging pretty much every belief and idea about myself I have had at he time when meeting him. lol)

I am also feeling a bit angry inside, cause, well last week two speakers were giving an advanced course at our school (only 8 participants, only me and anothe colleague from my school).
The main speaker actually is from Mr Sag`s hometown, and well of course involved in the literature, cabaret and theatre scene there, and I think Mr Sag might have mentioned his name before, on one of his concerts, introduced him as one of his first teachers. Why else would I have remebered that name?
Anyway, the course I took part in was just one day, a 6 or 7 hour workshop, and it basically was about teaching pupils how to put together scenes, cabaret/ comedy, something of that sort, and to do that he demanded that we would pair up and do a scene ourselves, develop it bit for bit.

It was not an easy feat, though the starting idea was there pretty quickly. My idea - my writing partner just thought it was such a brilliant simple idea. LOL
It was nothing really. But anyway, it turned out to become rather a bit of a short story than an acted scene.
It was also a bit difficult cause to my taste my writing partner was thinking too much like a teacher (wait a moment. I am a teacher myself, don`t I really think like one?), using such long sentences, and i was sevetral times blurting out: Noone would listen to this for so long. We don`t have to explain, just hint and show.

Anyway, the speaker seemed to agree with me, and while my partner should continue writing up to the reversal point, he asked me to write the part, beginning from the ending back to that reversal point, adding that of course this was the more complex and difficult task. LOL
Well, I liked the way the man was thinking,asking the exact right questions.
Well it wasa bit difficult, cause my writing partner was talking a bit too much for my taste, while Iw as trying to get a hold of the MEANING, the THEME, that elusive thing that the story was REALLY about. The hook, the motif, that made it not just a story, but one that SAID something.
I just had the feeling my partner did not quite understand it like that. The rules and direction a story has to take, the natural route, which is something different than jsut adding bits and pieces.

Well, at the end of it, we had a nice little story there, but it WAS work.
Well not the writing process, but having to pull the other person en, trying to find words to xplain what the teacher was gettin at, hinted at, which to me was just so clear, that i di not even know how to explain it.
Yes, I never said I was not having an arrogant streak. lol

Anyway, being plungd into that writing process, made me remember how I used to write, and also made me realize that I may be rusted, but it is still there.

Wel, it was at least a rather intense experience for me lol
Even though it has nothing to do with twinflames or something of that sort.

Though of course it was a big coincidence that this person would teach the course, of all possible speakers. lol

"Man, logic is SO not helpful when it comes to these things"