posted October 31, 2013 07:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

For my personal case that means, since we have an exact true Lilith-opposition, there is of course each Lilith in exact conjunction with Priapus, and the natal Lilith/Priapus-mps aligning with the composite axis of Lilith and Priapus as well. That is a given with any two Liliths that are opposite each other synastrically.

(I rather not mention that it also aligns with my asteroid Valentine )

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posted October 31, 2013 08:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Lol I checked the h21 Lilith and Priapus in our charts and they're still conjunct, though the orb is wider now, 3°

Lilith in my chart is now exactly on my South Node and his Lilith is exactly trine his North Node.

But this is what fascinated me the most:

My Lilith/Priapus MP conjunct composite Lilith 1°
His Lilith/Priapus MP opposite composite Priapus 1°

Though we did have that happening with the oscillating Lilith too, I'm just amazed to find the same thing popping up with my natural Lilith.
There's a 7 degree different between my Osc. Lilith and Natural Lilith.

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Yes, I was amazed the same way. I did not want o check natural Lilith, because I feared I would be losing all the nice aspects, andt hen they come up with an even tighter orb, and seirously it astounds me that his Lilith/Priapus-mp is so exactly conjunct my NN, and it is a very focal point of our charts.

posted October 31, 2013 08:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Lavender Cry
But this is what fascinated me the most:

My Lilith/Priapus MP conjunct composite Lilith 1°
His Lilith/Priapus MP opposite composite Priapus 1°

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We have it in reverse, Irelating to composite Priapus, him to Lilith.

posted October 31, 2013 08:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Oh wow our composite Lilith is now on my Sun/Moon mp exact!
Composite Priapus is trine his Sun/Moon mp exact too.

Composite Lilith/Priapus mp is still conjunct my natal Priapus and his natal Lilith but its now exact 0°27

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this interpolated pair is quite stunning, isn`t it?
It makes at least as much sense as the true one, though maybe I am just saying that becuase I like the aspects.

BTW I checked Mr Law`s Lilith/Priapus-mp, it is at 9.49 Virgo, exactly squaring Mr Sag`s Lilith/Priapus on my NN (so my nodal axis gets shot from all sides. lol)

It also squares the composite ASC, though it doesn`t relate to either composite PRiapus or Lilith.
Mine is even more absent from this, though my natural and true Lilith are squared by his conjunction of natural, true Lilith, Mars on my Valentine in 12th house. lol

But that intriguing pattern, no, it is not there, which is calming, as it shows it is not there ALL THE TIME.

However, funnily when I first saw him, Tr Sappho was conjunct his Lilith/Priapus-mp PRECISELY.

and transiting true Lilith was conjunct composite true and natural Lilith and opposping Priapus.

However, I was blissfully unaware.

posted October 31, 2013 08:12 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes, I was amazed the same way. I did not want o check natural Lilith, because I feared I would be losing all the nice aspects, andt hen they come up with an even tighter orb, and seirously it astounds me that his Lilith/Priapus-mp is so exactly conjunct my NN, and it is a very focal point of our charts.

BTW I just checked for the first meeting chart, and found that Priapus then was conjunct Sun and Sappho with a one degree orb at max. (natural Lilith was opposite by 2 degrees and also conjunct our composite natural Lilith by 3 degrees. Interesting)

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posted October 31, 2013 08:18 AM            

his Lilith: 29 Gemini
his Priapus: 19 Capricorn
midpoint: 9°28 Aries

her Lilith: 27 Capricorn
her priapus: 19 Leo
midpoint: 8°01 Scorpio

composite:
Priapus conjunct MC on 4 SCorpio exact
(widely conjunct her midpoint - 4 degrees is wide, I know, but I would consider it still valid, though I prefer 3 degree orb)

Lilith: 13.05 Aries
so his midpoint is also conjunct this with an orb of 3 - 4 degrees.

posted October 31, 2013 08:19 AM            

Indeed yes, and no I agree with you!
I feel this one has great accuracy as well.
The exact conjunct it makes to SN is definitely felt for me lol

"BTW I checked Mr Law`s Lilith/Priapus-mp, it is at 9.49 Virgo, exactly squaring Mr Sag`s Lilith/Priapus on my NN (so my nodal axis gets shot from all sides. lol)

Oh god, I can't even imagine how you must feel with both their points touching you like that!

Btw, Mr. Law's mp is on my Sun 1° and opposite my Saturn exact LOL
Though I have not really payed much attention him

"It also squares the composite ASC, though it doesn`t relate to either composite PRiapus or Lilith.
Mine is even more absent from this, though my natural and true Lilith are squared by his conjunction of natural, true Lilith, Mars on my Valentine in 12th house. lol
But that intriguing pattern, no, it is not there, which is calming, as it shows it is not there ALL THE TIME."

posted October 31, 2013 08:33 AM            

Their Natural Liliths are tightly trine 1°
Their Priapus are also trine 1°

Her Lilith/Priapus mp conjunct his Moon 1°
His Lilith/Priapus mp conjunct her NN 3° and composite Desc 2°

Composite Lilith/Priapus mp conjunct her Asc 2°
Composite Lilith/Priapus mp trine his Asc 2°

posted October 31, 2013 08:47 AM            

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Gemini Sun
Libra Moon
Gemini Mercury
Cancer Venus
Virgo Mars
Virgo Asc

posted October 31, 2013 08:49 AM            

"Oh god, I can't even imagine how you must feel with both their points touching you like that!"
That sounded rather naughty now.

"Btw, Mr. Law's mp is on my Sun 1° and opposite my Saturn exact LOL"
Then your Sun is conjunct my Hekate exact with asteroid Lilith being 2 degrees away and opposing my Ishtar exact, too.

Interestingly mr Sag`s Mars-Jupiter-conjunction is on 10-11 Virgo.

posted October 31, 2013 08:52 AM            

Her Dr. Lilith opposite his Dr. Priapus

Her Dr. Priapus conjunct his Dr. Sun 0°
Her Dr. Priapus conjunct his Dr. Desc 3°
Her Dr. Lilith conjunct his N. Sun 3°
Her Dr. Lilith conjunct his N. Desc 0°
(His N. Lilith conjunct her N. Sun 0°)

I see repeated mirroing configurations like these in the dracos again and again, several times between the charts of those who have significant soul connections.
Its so fascinating!

posted October 31, 2013 08:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Natural Lilith/Priapus in the charts of the twinflame couple:

Their Natural Liliths are tightly trine 1°
Their Priapus are also trine 1°

Her Lilith/Priapus mp conjunct his Moon 1°
His Lilith/Priapus mp conjunct her NN 3° and composite Desc 2°

Composite Lilith/Priapus mp conjunct her Asc 2°
Composite Lilith/Priapus mp trine his Asc 2°

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that is intriguing. interesting with the nodal connections again,a nd angles for course.

I checked my friend`s and her tf chart.

Their midpoints are opposite each other. lol

Anyway, her PRiapus conuncts his Moon exact.
opposite his own Priapus, all exact

her Lilith cojuncts his Jupiter-NN-conjunction exact (another nodal connection!)
(his Priapus trine her NN, which curiously falls onto my Priapus. lol)

posted October 31, 2013 09:04 AM            

Wow that point is very concentrated for you!
Maybe you should look into the sabian for it as well

"That sounded rather naughty now."

Omg LOL it does! *facepalm*
So sorry, I didnt mean for it to come out like that.

"Then your Sun is conjunct my Hekate exact with asteroid Lilith being 2 degrees away and opposing my Ishtar exact, too.

Interestingly mr Sag`s Mars-Jupiter-conjunction is on 10-11 Virgo."

posted October 31, 2013 09:12 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
that is intriguing. interesting with the nodal connections again,a nd angles for course.

I checked my friend`s and her tf chart.

Their midpoints are opposite each other. lol

Anyway, her PRiapus conuncts his Moon exact.
opposite his own Priapus, all exact

her Lilith cojuncts his Jupiter-NN-conjunction exact (another nodal connection!)
(his Priapus trine her NN, which curiously falls onto my Priapus. lol)

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Very interesting!

I am especially impressed with their Priapus/Lilith involved with eachother's nodes!

posted October 31, 2013 10:05 AM            

Synastry:
My Dr. Lilith opposite his N. Priapus 2°

My N. Lilith opposite his Dr. Venus 2°
My N. Priapus conjunct his Dr. Mars 1°
(His N. Lilith conjunct my N. Venus 2°)

My Dr. Priapus conjunct his N. Juno 1°
His Dr. Priapus opposite my N. Jupiter 2°

My Dr. Priapus conjunct his N. Desc 2°
His Dr. Priapus conjunct my N. MC 1°

Aspects in our individual charts:
My Dr. Priapus opposite my N. Sun 2°
My N. Lilith opposite my Dr. Moon 2°
His N. Lilith conjunct his Dr. Moon 3°

posted October 31, 2013 07:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Got Gemini??:
For the three most significant women in my life, One has her NN exactlt conjunct my Asc, another has her Sun exactly conjunct my NN, and the other, her Saturn is on my Asc.

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posted October 31, 2013 07:04 PM            

"Maybe you should look into the sabian for it as well"
Sabian is:
10 SAg:
In The Left Section Of An Archaic Temple, A Lamp Burns In A Container Shaped Like A Human Body
(it always reminds me of Egypt for some reason)

9 sag (his Mercury, Musa, my Neptune)
A Theatrical Representation Of A Golden-Haired Goddess Of Opportuinity

"So sorry, I didnt mean for it to come out like that.
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Not to worry. It made me grin.

"With your Hekate on my Sun, do you see me as a witch? "
No, not really.
But you seem to activate the Hekate-potential in myself, I mean that looking deep within there, where I usually would not look possibly.

posted October 31, 2013 07:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
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So far it seems that most of the TFs will tend to have aspects between Priapus/Lilith, and/or their midpoints, and mirroring of Priapus/Lilith to the angles/points and the yin/yang planets.

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Yes.

posted October 31, 2013 09:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I am just scanning synastries, my hypothesis is that reltaionships (even affairs, but definitely longstanding relationships) have at least one tight (3 degrees) conjunction to either the angles (ASC, DSC, IC, MC) or the nodal axis.

However even with that hypothesis in mind I am surprised that it seems to really always be there (using, angles, nodal axis, planets, BML and Priapus and Vertex, not asteroids).

So my question is, do you know of any lasting relationships that have no conjunctions of planets, angles, nodes or BML/ Priapus to an angle?

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Super interesting thread Ceri!

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
[/b]" http://www.leahwhitehorse.com/2012/01/29/black-moon-lilith-mean-***** -or-true-witch/

He wrote it was from a paper her wrote; actually the latter part of his essay is literally taken from a post of mine here!
Well, if people start stealing my words, then I suppose I must have hit a nerve with what I wrote. AT least in this guy.

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LOL! Take it as a compliment. One time I googled the ‘5th house Vs the 11th house’ and found a link to my thread on this topic in one of those ‘Questions Answered’ forums. I was really flattered, but at least in my case no one tried to plagiarize me. Just think with your talent you could probably write a thousand and one essays of equal caliber but this dude has to steal other people’s writing to come up with something descent. He could of at least written it in his own words!

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Thanks.

It`s funny a friend of mine I told that said the same, I should write a book about it.
When I was younger I intendd to, however, I always feel like I am not "finished" yet, my system is not perfect yet, I am still learning, and I always feel I should have a working reliable consistent system, before writing about a subject. Maybe I am different in that than others are.
What I am having now is pieces of what could be a system one day, but so many mental approaches, I can`t really bring them together as of now.

However I think if I ever were to write a book on astrology the angles as well as the "lunar symbols" (Moon, Sun/Moon-mp, nodal axis and Draconic chart, Priapus and LIlith) would figure in strongly, as would conjunctions/ oppositions, solstice points and declinations.

I think, I might be coming from a more "natural/ observational" kind of astrology, the actual things we can see in the sky (from our point of reference - Earth-, mostly, which is not really astronomical) as reflection of life on earth.

Just musing a little here.

Oh and just for my own pleasure, I suppose there would be some mentioning of asteroids. lol

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I’d read it!

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

True Lilith is true/ osc.
Priapus from astro com is the natural / interpolated one.

You would have to compare h21 - h22 (the interpolated degrees).

Or

osc/ true Lilith to its oppospite point, as I said it is nto exactly opposite but seems to vary just for some minutes.

In my case

True Apogee (Lilith): 28.37 Aqua
True Perigee (Priapus): 28.31 Leo

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I was wondering about this!

There’s Osc Lilith, mean Lilith, and interpolated Lilith. In my chart they’re 5 Cancer (Osc Lilith), 27 Gemini (mean Lilith), and 25 Gemini (interpolated Lilith)…. I really wonder which one is the best to use or if they all mean different aspects of the same thing. I’ve read before that mean Lilith is more civilized and refined then wild osc Lilith. And now there’s interpolated Lilith to consider as well.

My big question is how did you find true/osc Priapus, is it on your Solar Fire, or did you get it calculated somewhere else? Are they more or less always opposite each other very closely?

I’m wondering if the mean Priapus is always opposite the mean Lilith as well?

Also any theories as the what the interloped Lilith and Priapus symbolize if anything?

Sorry to bombard you with all these questions, but since you’ve devoted some much attention to this topic of late it’d be good to get your insight.

posted November 01, 2013 07:07 AM            

"Take it as a compliment."
Lol.
I did.
That was my first thought actually, that I must have written something that hit a nerve if someone else thinks of using it or even stealing it.

But my true Lilith and my interpolated Lilith are in Aquarius in the 3rd house, so she pushed me to at least comment on that. I didn`t really expect any reply, but was pleasantly surprised when the website owner immeditately corrected that comment and put it in quotes (it had not been her comment, and as a mater of fact the one who plagiarized me, had done it almsot 2 years ago. lol)

I was fascinated though as he wrote that he has true Lilith on 2 Taurus opposing Pluto on 2 Scorpio.
Not only is this aligned withmy 3rd house ruler and Liith-dispositor Uranus on 1 sCorpio, but it is on the exact antiscion/ contrascion of my Lilith. It is almost creepy how much that fits, right?

"‘5th house Vs the 11th house’"
Yes, I thnk it is one of the best you wrote. It made the understanding of the 11th house so much more "real" and less abstract.
I also like Basil FEarrington`s take on it, but somehow I relate more to your wording.

"I really wonder which one is the best to use or if they all mean different aspects of the same thing. I’ve read before that mean Lilith is more civilized and refined then wild osc Lilith."
Yes, the Lilith-coridor. That is Kelley Hunter`s and darstar astrology`s approach.
I am very hesitating on mean Lilith though. Because unlike the other two Liliths this one is really "fictional".

The problem is that while the Moon describes an ellipse around earth, it is not a smooth one, but a wiggly one, like she is being drunk.
Mean Lilith now is the calculation thta smoothens out the "leaps" and wiggles and calculates the degree the Moon`s apogee (Lilith) would be on if the Moon`s course would be a smooth ellipse. It is in a way an idealized image. I suppose in this idealized calculation Priapus would also be at the exact opposite of Lilith.

In the case of true Lilith the positions are calculated on the Moon`s current trajectory in a given moment in time, which is why true Lilith can move so fast at times, cause at another time of the day she could be somewhere else already.

For example at a day it could be like 4 degrees difference if you have been born in the morning or the night.
Mean Lilith never moves that fast.

As for interpolated Lilith, well I have been reading the German book on that, but I need to reread it again. It sounded very reasonable and fitting, but I don`t pretend I have a full grasp on it yet.

However, in this case interpolated does NOT mean "averaged". It`s a different arithmetic calculation. But as I said, I am not sure yet I really understand it.
What I have seen from research in actual charts though, the results are far more compelling than i would have expected. Doesn`t prove anything, I know, but it is making me paying attention. And when I started I so wanted to refuse taking these into consideration. NOt any mroe Liliths, please!

It also depends what you consider Lilith to be:
I treated it here as the Apogee of the Moon, which it often is seen.

But you could also define it as the second focus.

Since the Moon has an elliptical course, she has two foci she is being revolving around. One is the Earth, the other would be what we call Lilith.
In this case however, Lilith would actually be a twin to the Earth, which makes total sense as well, I guess. But then her counterpart probably would have to be the Sun or most likely the opposite point, as this is where Earth is located, at least in a heliocentric zodiac (the heliocentric zodiac does not have Lilith, nor nodes thoug), actually it is called the Earth/Moon-complex in heliocentric, and it is always opposite where your Sun is n the usual tropical zodiac.

Both theories hold their appeal to me and sound well, "sound". I actually like the idea of the second focus. lol
But in this model I don`t think Priapus would really play a role.

I also think I read that it does not make a difference in the positions Lilith is on, just probably for our understanding of her symbolism.

"My big question is how did you find true/osc Priapus,"
I downloaded the Ryal Free Software.

here (and read the article, read it even a dozen times, I find it difficult but it is very worth it if you really want to understand).
http://www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/blackmoon/barycentric.html
http://www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/riyal.html

If you put in your date and press continue, you can click on tables - astronomical data, and then you will see a long list, in which the True Apogee appears (Lilith) and below it is a number of the true Perigree-.

I am very certain about the value of true Lilith, I am still researching that of the natural/ interpolated Lilith and Priapus.

"Are they more or less always opposite each other very closely?"
True Lilith is always opposite true Priapus, within a degree at least.

"Also any theories as the what the interloped Lilith and Priapus symbolize if anything?"
The same as true one I think. It all comes down to the question which calculation method we think is the right one.

"Because the Moon's path around the Earth is elliptical, as opposed to circular, it has two foci, or centers, the Earth being one and Black Moon Lilith the other. We can also describe this point as the apogee of the Moon's orbit - the place where it is farthest from Earth.

The center of gravity between the Earth and Moon is inside the Earth. As part of the Earth-Moon system, Black Moon is a point or energetic vortex intimately bound to the center of the Earth. Within this context, Lilith is a twin to the core energy of the Earth, the deep heart of fire that feeds and sustains our bodies and the body of the Earth. The creative vitality of the Sun gives life to the Earth and fuels this central core fire.

As a centerpoint of the Moon's orbit, Black Moon Lilith works in relationship with the Earth-Moon system and with the Sun. As a second center of reference, she gives a sense of rhythm to the Earth, taking the dynamics of relationship beyond the personal Moon-Venus energies into more subtle dimensions that are essential to our lives. For this reason Black Moon Lilith has a strong impact on relationship dynamics. Representing the closest reach of the Moon to the Sun, she is also a reference point in our personal lives that brings us into relationship with the heart of our Sun-fueled experience on Earth, an emotional intelligence informed by the wisdom of earthy instinct. Since our culture has lost - even rejected, as Lilith was rejected - this kind of natural wisdom, it is more difficult to tap into and trust it. Relationships that carry the Lilith energy are initiatory, soul-to-soul meetings that open into a deeper center where personal and impersonal experience merge. Can we trust this energy that is unraveling our edges, tapping into such a deep well? Can we trust ourselves?" http://www.mountainastrologer.com/standards/editor's%20choice/articles/lilith_ hunter/lilith.html

Taken this into consideration, it makes very much sense to me to see Lilith being in strong aspect (by that I mean, conjunction, opposition, square and maybe also antiscia(contrascia and parallel/contraparallel) to Sun, Moon herself and the nodal axis, even Sun/Moon-mp, as these all reflect the relationship between the Sun-Moon-Earth-complex in a way (though the ways may be different).

Adding further thought to it, the DRaconic zodiac might be very enlighting her as well, as by definition this is a nodal-zodiac, hence we have this interrelationship of Sun-Earth-Moon again.

As a matter of fact we could even think of a zodiac representing th Black Moon (Davison did something similiar in hsi book on synastry, using the Venusian or solar zodiac in addition to the Draconic one, but he was very focused in his approach, and only took some very primal aspects into consideration, so he did not fizzle out - cause the more we take into consideration, the more arbitrary it *could* get, unless we have our parameters very straight and do not sway from them. A 10 degree orb for a sextile in this context is clearly out of the question in such an approach.).

However I would probably favour a Lilithian-zodiac over a Venusian one, since like the nodal axis the Black Moon is a calculated axis (at least true one), and thus is defined similiarly than the nodal axis. Maybe that plays a role.

But that is just playing with thoughts there. lol

EDIT:
BTW I just want to point out that I posted this reply at the exact minute of my birth. lol

And also, I calculated for fun where my planets would be in a Black Moon-zodiac.

Some interesting things coming up, but
the one I wanted to mention is:

in that zodiac my Pluto would be on 11 Scorpio (conjunct the ecclipse), and my MC in that would be on 7 Scorpio conjunct the transiting North Node and Mercury conjunction. lol

But yeah just playing around here

posted November 01, 2013 07:32 AM            

" Representing the closest reach of the Moon to the Sun,"

I hadn´t thought about this, but being furthest from earth, brings her closer to the Sun.

In this context I find it interesting as we could say that here Lilith brings the individual closer to the Sun, while Priapus might do the other thing, bring us closer to the Earth.

In that respect Lilith would be the connection to our spiritual fire, but also to the part of ourselves where we are just ourselves, the core of our spirit. (I find it hard to put it into words).

Priapus on the other hand would bring us "down to earth", in touch with earth, and with the physical expression of our emotions and instincts (they are both referring to the Moon after all).

posted November 01, 2013 09:49 AM            

ASC
MC

Sun
Moon
NN

using conjunction and opposition and in this case also the square

I would use the square, as we are dealing predominantly with an axis here, Lilith-Priapus and the nodal axis as well as the angles, and any object in square to the ends of an axis actually would fall onto their midpoint (needless to say the orbs would have to be tight with the square and midpoints).

In the case of Sun and Moon I probably would stick to conjnction and opposition (though the square would also describe that a lot of energy hits them, besides any square to the Sun is actually on the midpoint between Sun and Earth).

Oh and probably the Sun/Moon-mp should be taken into consideration, too.

4 degree orb for conj/ opposition to a point or planet
2 degree orb for squares as well as midpoints.

posted November 01, 2013 01:35 PM            

So here the true results of our Lilith/Priapus (h21/h22 ONLY!) comparison;

- His priapus conjunct composite ascendant (0,38)
- My priapus conjunct composite MC (1,10)

- His priapus/lilith midpoint conjunct composite IC (2'30) ~ {+ opp. my priapus 3,5}
- My priapus/Lilith midpoint conjunct composite DESC (2'22) ~ {+ opp. his priapus 3}

(I see more balance in degrees now)

The composite priapus/lilith midpoint conjunct composite SN (1* exact), and;

- conjunct my SUN (0'00!)
- opposite his Sun/Moon midpoint (0'45)

(NOT to forget the composite priapus/lilith midpoint!)

Furthermore, the only connections I see when widening my scope is with POF;

- My POF conjunct his lilith (0'45)
- His POF = conj. his Priapus (1,5) so it's connected to all above and even closer to C. ASC and my P/L midopint.
- His priapus/lilith midpoint conj composite POF (1,20) and composite IC (2,5)

It's sometimes difficult to grasp which is and isn't the logical result of earlier placements.

I wish I had a math-brain.

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Our true liliths (h13) are square by 1 degree.

EDIT, O wait a second.. which means that in both cases the midpoint of lilith and its counterpart is CONJUNCT lilith and its counterpart of the other LOL!

posted November 01, 2013 02:24 PM            

I am stunned, simply stunned. I did not expect the natural Lilith/Priapus-pairing to deliver such consistent results.

"- His priapus conjunct composite ascendant (0,38)
- My priapus conjunct composite MC (1,10)"
Wow! Simply, floored.

"- His priapus/lilith midpoint conjunct composite IC (2'30) ~ {+ opp. my priapus 3,5}
- My priapus/Lilith midpoint conjunct composite DESC (2'22) ~ {+ opp. his priapus 3}"
There is a great balance there, the alignment with an angle and to one part of the pair itself.

Actually I have seen that in some of the celeb synastry as well. One partner aligning with the ASC or DESC, and the other with the MC or IC. Interesting.

"The composite priapus/lilith midpoint conjunct composite SN (1* exact), and;"
This one is gobsmacking in its consistency as well. I hardly stumbled across a pairing (of course i only checked 10 or so. lol) which did NOT have at least some conjunction of the LIlith-PRiapus-phenomenon to one person`?s nodal axis at least.

"- conjunct my SUN (0'00!)
- opposite his Sun/Moon midpoint (0'45)"
Jeez! It is getting hot in here. And also cosy warm.

POF is of course part of the Sun-Moon-EArth-complex as well. Also called secondary Moon for some, but yes, would fit in here as well.

"Our true liliths (h13) are square by 1 degree."
Haha, I share that with Mr Law. HIs Scorpio-Lilith versus my Aquarius-Lilith.
Sounds more like guerilla tactics and combat (his Liith is in both 12th house and conjunct his Mars, I guess this is how I think of guerila and underground-wars. lol).