posted October 28, 2013 04:50 PM            

"I found a short article on Lilith and Priapus, but it`s in German. (http://www.astrologieschule-heiligenhaus.de/lilith.htm)

It sais that Lilith is the point of fascination,where a person feels the emotional urge to grow beyond themselves. It`s the point where a person has much power, but often decides to suppress the power. Or she exaggerates the urge to be independent, which often forces her to be distant to other people.

Priapus now is a point, where you feel rather powerless. But at this point you have a strong capability and longing to merge with others, to feel for them, to develop empathy and basically it`s the point where oyu can adapt to others to the point of losing yourself.

Priapus is also the god of health and fertility (son of Venus and Bacchus / Dionysos). And it seems, according to mythology, he was having a constant erection. Well, what could you expect of a God, who is son of the goddess of erotic love and the god of extasy? lol
But I think it just symbolizes that he is very much in touch with the earth, with all instincts, with a strong desire to merge and become ONE with earth / life.

Maybe the difference between Lilith and Priapus is like this:
Both are driven by very strong desires.
But Lilith demands to be equal, independent, to voluntarily turn to someone, or else she will repell or be repelled. She can`t make any compromises. In the best sense she`s painfully truthful, and she makes great sacrifices (like being rejected from society) to maintain her independence.

Priapos on the other hand has such a great need to merge, that he will sacrifice the truth for it. He will make any compromises that are necessary to be close to someone. But since PRiapos is also a male God, he seems to be also prone to become sexually violent or absusive, to force closeness to his "object of affection".
At least the myth tell about him attempting to rape at least two goddesses / nymphs. But everytime the rape has been interrupted, before it could be done, and Priapus has been kicked out.
He is a nasty little god, isn`t he? At least int he myth.
But on the positive side he has a very direct access to his fertility and lust.

I`m not really sure what to make of it astrologically. But maybe Priapus depicts a point in the horoscope where there is an overwhelming urge to merge, which may become so overwhelming and desperate that you may humilate yourself, by committing really low acts (be they destructive towards others as in an attempted rape. or be they selfdestructive, by "offering" yourself, even if oyu know that you will never get back enough, so that you will be satisfied; the willingness to live a lie just to feel the illusion of merging.)

But I think there must also be a positive way to see Priapus and Lilith. Maybe Priapus can offer that empathy like it has been said in that article I mentioned." http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/015692.html

(I wrote that in 2007)

posted October 28, 2013 05:04 PM            

Interesting you mentioned mercury.
Our dynamic together is very emotive and action oriented.
Plenty of laughing, random adventures.
I think with mercury trine pluto exact we can communicate with out words, by just looking at each other.

So honestly I can't say what it would be like when we're old but there is a lot of practical interests. Plus we've known each other forever.
After we finish Uni next year we're going to travel abroad together.

We have mercury, venus and mars in the 8th house our composite so very secretive together... and Moon in the 9th house (traveling)

posted October 28, 2013 05:49 PM            

Like I said elsewhere:

I was going to ask if you're using the h22 Priapus or just the opposite spot from Lilith when you talk about Priapus there. My BML is 22.8 Pisces and Priapus 10.43 Virgo (conj Destinn), so obviously not the opposing ends used there. I don't know what to make of my BML antiscion at 7 Libra hitting my Pluto though. Even stronger desires? Independence and change? Not sure what's what with it all.

posted October 28, 2013 06:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Keela:
Good luck with clearing the article thing out, Ceridwen.

Like I said elsewhere:

I was going to ask if you're using the h22 Priapus or just the opposite spot from Lilith when you talk about Priapus there. My BML is 22.8 Pisces and Priapus 10.43 Virgo (conj Destinn), so obviously not the opposing ends used there. I don't know what to make of my BML antiscion at 7 Libra hitting my Pluto though. Even stronger desires? Independence and change? Not sure what's what with it all.

Also need to ask you what aspects you consider valid when talking about hitting BML or the opposite point-Priapus, and then the h22 Priapus. Would you consider the h22 Priapus sextile Lilith or Lilith square h22 Priapus?

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I am using h22, and yes I am aware that they can be in quinkunx relationship to each other, too.
Priapus and LIlith differ from the other axis, that they are not always exactly opposite each other.

posted October 29, 2013 05:37 AM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Is Priapus important in any way in a natal chart?

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posted October 29, 2013 09:02 AM            

Something else;

As I was astonished about my own BML/Priapus case related to the (composite) angles I did a check with several (of the above) couples a few days ago.
I looked at BML, Priapus, BML/Priapus midpoint and the (composite) angles (AC/MC/IC/DESC) of both. Well the result was more than striking!
- BML or Priapus of one conjunct a composite angle.
- BMl/Priapus midpoint conjunct a composite angle
- BML/Priapus midpoint conjunct/opp. BML or Priapus of the other both ways.
ETC.

But I don't wanne spoil your thread

posted October 29, 2013 09:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Wow that really wasnt cool of him to plagiarize your writings like that....

But your version is better lol, obviously because its original, and so much more easier for me to grasp and understand.
Its very well written! ~

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posted October 29, 2013 10:10 AM            

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Originally posted by mir:
Not ONE exception to the rule here!

Something else;

As I was astonished about my own BML/Priapus case related to the (composite) angles I did a check with several (of the above) couples a few days ago.
I looked at BML, Priapus, BML/Priapus midpoint and the (composite) angles (AC/MC/IC/DESC) of both. Well the result was more than striking!
- BML or Priapus of one conjunct a composite angle.
- BMl/Priapus midpoint conjunct a composite angle
- BML/Priapus midpoint conjunct/opp. BML or Priapus of the other both ways.
ETC.

But I don't wanne spoil your thread

(unfortunately I lost my research)

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Wow! That is astonishing!

I donīt feel like you are spoiling my thread AT ALL. after all it relates tot he angles, too.
And currently I am very fascinated with the pair.
BTW did you use the osc. Lilith (h13)? Or which one?

I found it interesting that in my synastry suddenly Priapus was showing up right on the IC of the composite under one degree of orb(Draco mean Lilith was there as well).

my (true) BML/Priapus-mp is on 14.03 Taurus -
composite IC is on 16.31 Taurus (though it could be that his birthtime was a bit earlier, then the composite IS would be on 16.10 Taurus, a little closer.

Draco composite mean Lilith is on 15.29 Taurus
composite Priapus on 15.27 Taurus

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his (true) BML/Priapus-mp is on 29.30 Taurus.
Doesn`t sound that trhilling right?

Well, our composite true BL is on 28.25 Taurus.

Which means that my BML/PRiapus is on composite Priapus, his falls onto composite BML

No conjunction to an angle there, however it falls onto the antiscion of our composite ASC, which is either 0°08 or 1°01 Aquarius.
So the orb of te antiscion is only approximately half a degree.

his BML/Priapus-mp is also squaring my natal BML on 28.37 Aquarius (with his own being 28.13 Leo)

so my natal BML/Priapus relating to composite Priapus and IC.

posted October 29, 2013 10:39 AM            

His priapus conjunct my MC, may I ask what does it mean ?

posted October 29, 2013 10:48 AM            

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Originally posted by 12muddy:

His priapus conjunct my MC, may I ask what does it mean ?

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I am not totally sure yet, but Priapus seems to be a point where we want, desire to be as close to someone else as possible, merge with them, which can either lead to making too many compromises or maybe even trying to force some sort of closeness.
almost like we feel like we need to be a part of the other`s life (in terms of the aspected point or planet), no matter what.

Priapus is a very earthy and also raunchy God, very Pan-like.
So if we are talking about wanting to merge here it is not the romantic, merged-in-mind, longing from a distance kind of feel. It is earthier, lustier, needier in a physical sense, probably.

But as I said I am not completely sure. Priapus is the Moon perigee, the point where the Moon comes closest to earth.

Moon being our instincts, emotions, soul; earth being the physical dimension, our day-to-day-reality. With Priapus thre is a closeness of these, emotions, instincts expressed in a very physical sense, day-to-day-level, but also of course having to compromise (we are not the only people on earth) to get our desire for closeness fulfilled.

BML is the point furthest from earth, her emotions are wild, untamed, raging, too. But she does not care sh*t about the environment. They are simply there, uncompromising, and she will rather suppress them, then compromise in any kind of way, which sometimes denies expression or materializing them. Surrender is not something Lilith will do. Surrender is everything Priapus will do, esp. if it is the only way to get close to the object of affection. Lilith will break every taboo, but she will not surrender to "mainstream" or what society wants or does.

Conjunctions to MC are very important, not just in terms of career.

posted October 29, 2013 11:06 AM            

my natal Priapus: 0°08 Leo
composite DESC: 0°09 Leo

posted October 29, 2013 11:10 AM            

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Conjunctions to MC are very important, not just in terms of career.

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Can you tell us more?

posted October 29, 2013 11:16 AM            

MC- conjunctions are like meeting someone at noon, when the sun is the brightest. It is like they have a spotlight or flashlight directed onto them (the conjuncting planets).

posted October 29, 2013 11:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I am not totally sure yet, but Priapus seems to be a point where we want, desire to be as close to someone else as possible, merge with them, which can either lead to making too many compromises

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posted October 29, 2013 12:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
compromising, devoted Priapus is right on my ASC and North Node, the selfish unscrupulous and delicious BML is right on my DSC/Sun/South Node. It can't get as polarized as that.

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LOL
You are right.

Though please don`t picture PRiapus as an angel and Lilith as a demon. It is not THAT easy.

After all Priapus tried to force a merging, by almost raping a nymph and a goddess (he did not succeed though).
And Lilith, isn`t it her right to demand equality, being treated as an equal partner and not being doomed to submission????

posted October 29, 2013 12:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
compromising, devoted Priapus is right on my ASC and North Node, the selfish unscrupulous and delicious BML is right on my DSC/Sun/South Node. It can't get as polarized as that.

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Priapus on NN. Maybe some sort of earthy relationships are important for you?
I mean relationships that actually manifest in the Here and now and are not just something to dream about in the future?
And maybe also not fixating on one possible partner, but keeping your eyes and heart open?

(Priapus was a wandering spirit, too, he was not devoted in the sense a faithful husband would be. He was devoted to spreading his seed I`d think. lol)

posted October 29, 2013 12:35 PM            

" The definition is very simple: the apogee is the furthest from the Earth point of the Moon's orbit, and the perigee is the closest point. You might know that the orbit of the Moon around the Earth isn't circular, it's an ellipse, and when the Moon is in perigee, it is noticeably closer to the Earth and looks bigger.

It would be logical to assume that the strength of the Moon's influence, gravitational or any other, increases at perigee and decreases at apogee, but how exactly this increase will show itself in our life? Some of the most interesting and practical ideas come from a person who doesn't use any astrology: meet Ken Ring.

Apogee and Perigee in Astrology
It might be surprising, but apogee and perigee per se aren't mentioned in mainstream astrology. However, the speed of the Moon (which is measured in the number of degrees of the ecliptic the Moon covers in 24 hours) plays an important role in the traditional astrology. The Moon is the fastest in perigee and the slowest in apogee, so whenever you see in astrological literature a mention of the fast Moon, that's the Moon in perigee, and vice versa.

Typically, a fast planet is considered to be strong. It has more influence in the astrological chart (horoscope), be that chart natal or horary. If the Moon is slow in a horary chart, that is considered as a debility.

Some schools of astrology make use of so called Black Moon, or Lilith, and one of the popular versions of the location of this fictional planet is the apogee of the Moon. Therefore, whenever the Moon is in apogee in a natal chart, it is in fact in conjunction with Lilith, and this is typically interpreted in a negative way.

There are also schools of astrology that make use of the White Moon, and one of the popular versions of its location is the perigee of the Moon. The Moon in perigee therefore can be considered as in conjunction with the White Moon, and an interpretation given in such cases is typically very positive.

If I (occasionally) consider the Black or the White Moon when studying a natal chart, I prefer to follow the point of view that was formulated many years ago by a Russian astrologer Tatyana Romanova. If you can read in Russian, the original article about the Black and the White Moons can be found here. The general idea is that the Black Moon is the factor of separation while the White Moon is the factor of integration. As a basic example, a person who is unique, different from the others in one or another way, expresses the idea of the Black Moon, while a person who is indistinguishable from the surrounding people is a manifestation of the White Moon principle.

This was a collection of bits and pieces of information about the apogee and the perigee of the Moon. "
http://www.lunarium.co.uk/articles/apogee-perigee.jsp

posted October 29, 2013 01:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Twitterbird05:
Ceri, how does this chart work in relation your theory? I'm new to BML/Priapus & angle conjunctions...

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yes, it does. The ASC-DESC-overlay including BML, Sun and Saturn.

But since this is about the angles, it is easier to see those with an inequal housesystem.

It could be a little onesided though. As far as I can see one person provides all the planets, and the other the angles. It would be more balanced if each gave a planet to the other angle (or Node).

posted October 29, 2013 02:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Priapus on NN. Maybe some sort of earthy relationships are important for you?
I mean relationships that actually manifest in the Here and now and are not just something to dream about in the future?
And maybe also not fixating on one possible partner, but keeping your eyes and heart open?
(Priapus was a wandering spirit, too, he was not devoted in the sense a faithful husband would be. He was devoted to spreading his seed I`d think. lol)

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posted October 29, 2013 02:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
yes, it does. The ASC-DESC-overlay including BML, Sun and Saturn.

But since this is about the angles, it is easier to see those with an inequal housesystem.

It could be a little onesided though. As far as I can see one person provides all the planets, and the other the angles. It would be more balanced if each gave a planet to the other angle (or Node).

I can`t quite see it but is there a MOon on SN and Saturn on SN within 3 degrees?

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I think there's just Saturn on SN. One-sided how?

posted October 29, 2013 03:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Twitterbird05:
One-sided how?

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It`s only one person`s planets.

I am not yet sure what that exactly means, however I prefer it to be more balanced. Each person`s planets hitting the other person`s angles or at least the nodes.

You have the Saturn-SN one with is a HUGE glue-factor.
however usually in longer lasting relationships that go somewhere, this will be accompanied by another planet on the NN as well, leading into the future.

I am not sure how much future-orientedness there is with only the Saturn-SN-conjunction (though as I said the glue is unbelievable).

posted October 29, 2013 08:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Well, he simply copied and pasted it, complete with my typos.
But without the article I referenced.
Maybe it is time seriously considering writing a book. lol

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