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Topic: Why do Pisces men have such bad reps?
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Gabby
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posted August 15, 2015 12:33 PM
  
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Originally posted by Faith:
I strongly disagree.There are definite and clear-cut distinctions. Well think of yourself, Gabby. You have a 12H moon. When you are in love with someone, can you honestly say that you have NO affection for any other man? All your affection for other men goes to nothing?
When I'm deeply in love I've always related to this song by the Flamingos... "I Only Have Eyes For You" My love must be a kind of blind love
I can't see anyone but you
Sha bop sha bop
Are the stars out tonight
I don't know if it's cloudy or bright
I only have eyes for you dear The moon may be high
But I can't see a thing in the sky
I only have eyes for you
I don't know if we're in a garden
Or on a crowded avenue You are here and so am I
Maybe millions of people go by
But they all dissappear from view
And I only have eyes for you
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So yes...to feel something for someone else would feel like I'm stabbing the person I love in the back.
I kind of feel like all other men turn into non sexual ppl once I fall in love and it makes me mad when men flirt with me because it's disrespectful to the person I love. Venus chart ruler conjunct Pluto on AC
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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted August 15, 2015 12:43 PM
There was only one time I was really annoyed with my friend's Pisces/Venus husband and that was when this guy I had been writing to for years came to visit us and he stayed with them but we talked a lot and I had a crush on him and we got along really great. One night, me, her and the guy who came to visit went out while her hubby stayed at home. The guy on a visit wanted to sight see and I guess he wanted to stay over but my friend said her husband would get angry so we ended up doing a little sight seeing and then I drove them back to her apartment where the hubby was trying to sleep. I honestly don't know if he was really ****** at them being out or if she was pretending like he was because she was jealous of me being with the visiting friend. At the time, I thought, I can't believe the audacity of her hubby being annoyed at me for wanting them to stay out all night while he was at home when he spent the majority of nights (this was the rare night he was actually at home) out while his wife is alone and upset. It might not have been true though, it might have just been her dragging him into it for some reason when he was indifferent which he seemed to be most the time anyway.
A day later they all ended up in some kind of argument and the friend left and went home anyway, which was in New England.
That was the only time Pisces/Venus ever really irritated me and in typical Pisces style, I am not even sure if my irritation should have been at him or his wife because I knew how jealous she could get and he was always so blah and meh about everything so it was hard to imagine him caring if we stayed gone for an entire week. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted August 15, 2015 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by Faith:
I strongly disagree.There are definite and clear-cut distinctions. Well think of yourself, Gabby. You have a 12H moon. When you are in love with someone, can you honestly say that you have NO affection for any other man? All your affection for other men goes to nothing?
Plutonians are like that, they are exclusive and require exclusivity. Strong Scorpio, 8th house, Pluto conj ASC/DSC, Venus and/or Moon to Pluto, no matter the sign. (Usually Venus and Moon show someone's style of loving, Pluto with those seals the deal) They may feel affection for other people, but it's totally different than what they feel for their SO, which is all-consuming. Saturn brings a touch of exclusivity as well. Emotional cheating/crushes/flirting is out of the question too. I feel it immediately and everything ends. It happened to me to like two men at the same time, when I was younger, and it was a torment for me, usually gave up both  Personally, I relate to what Gabby says. Exes being part of one's circle of friends is a weird thing. All my relationships have been intense passions and they will never turn into proper friendships.
That's why Plutonians can only mingle with other Plutonians, when it comes to romance. ------------------
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Faith
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posted August 15, 2015 12:50 PM
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Plutonians are like that, they are exclusive and require exclusivity. Strong Scorpio, 8th house, Pluto conj ASC, Venus and/or Moon to Pluto, no matter the sign. They may feel affection for other people, but it's totally different than what they feel for their SO, which is all-consuming. Saturn brings a touch of exclusivity as well. Personally, I relate to what Gabby says. Exes being part of one's circle of friends is a weird thing. All my relationships have been intense passions and they will never turn into proper friendships.
That's why Plutonians can only mingle with other Plutonians, when it comes to romance.
I have an 8H moon on the solstice point of Pluto, sun square Pluto, Scorpio NN...and I relate strongly to this: quote:
They may feel affection for other people, but it's totally different than what they feel for their SO, which is all-consuming.
Now the issue is, how do you communicate that to someone who doesn't believe you? I'm glad my husband let me invite my guy friends to our wedding. My husband is a Leo so jealousy is a foregone conclusion but he needed to trust me when I said, "These are just friends." If he didn't, we'd have had such serious issues, I couldn't have married him.
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Faith
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posted August 15, 2015 12:53 PM
Though, as I said, I won't get a FB, because I wouldn't be able to say "no" to a friend request from any guy I know, just because they're a guy...and I realize that would be asking for too much leeway from my husband. ETA: And just the fact that I do this is +1 for Pisces track record, right? You see not all of us Pisces types surround ourselves in a sea of friends of the opposite sex... IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted August 15, 2015 01:03 PM
@SSSI don't think Venus in Pisces obliterates preferences, so I can imagine that guy pushing his own demands, especially when you consider that Venus in Pisces people may have their sun in one of the more pushy and stubborn signs, from Cap to Taurus. Well sun in Pisces can go either way, I honestly think the degree matters a lot with Pisces. IP: Logged |
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posted August 15, 2015 01:03 PM
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Gabby
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posted August 15, 2015 01:03 PM
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Plutonians are like that, they are exclusive and require exclusivity. Strong Scorpio, 8th house, Pluto conj ASC/DSC, Venus and/or Moon to Pluto, no matter the sign. (Usually Venus and Moon show someone's style of loving, Pluto with those seals the deal) They may feel affection for other people, but it's totally different than what they feel for their SO, which is all-consuming. Saturn brings a touch of exclusivity as well. Emotional cheating/crushes/flirting is out of the question too. I feel it immediately and everything ends. It happened to me to like two men at the same time, when I was much younger, and it was a torment for me, usually gave up both Personally, I relate to what Gabby says. Exes being part of one's circle of friends is a weird thing. All my relationships have been intense passions and they will never turn into proper friendships.
That's why Plutonians can only mingle with other Plutonians, when it comes to romance.
"All my relationships have been intense passions and they will never turn into proper friendships." I relate to that so much!!
Maybe that's why when someone I'm seeing wants an ex as a close tight friend(casual friend no biggie) it's like them saying....
"I can't get this person out of my head, they are all I think about I can't forget them I'm desperate to have them in my life in some way, I'm trying to be good to you but all I want is them!" Because for me to be with someone and say I want an ex as a friend....It would mean I was struggling and feeling more for the ex than my current partner. I don't want that current someone very much if I'm still longing for someone else, it would mean they are just crutch or a band aid I'm using to get over the ex and my heart would not be with them. Which of course I try not to do and instead stay single until I'm healed enough I can open my heart again to someone new.
Holding onto exes for me is like going back to something I threw out because it didn't fit me!
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Faith
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posted August 15, 2015 01:08 PM
@GabbyI understand where you are coming from. But I also totally believe polkadotstars when she says: quote:
Originally posted by polkadotstars:
Because once I'm done with someone I am no longer romantically interested in them again. It's like magic, it just goes away and it's only platonic 
My Pisces best friend is exactly like that. The feeling completely goes away and to prove it, she will not re-date these men no matter how much they beg. She feels nothing but friendship after it's over. So I think these people are entitled to be understood and taken seriously. Their truth may not match others' but it is true regardless. IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted August 15, 2015 01:16 PM
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Originally posted by bansheequeen:
Oh my god I would I left right then and there and did everything I could to sabotage what the other person thought of my now ex haha. now I know to run in the other direction if I see a Pisces Venus. Buuuut at least there will be honesty....
I don't know, I think after people are married a long time they ease up around each other and often don't care as much about the others' crushes. edit ~ hard to explain IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted August 15, 2015 01:16 PM
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@GabbyI understand where you are coming from. But I also totally believe polkadotstars when she says: My Pisces best friend is exactly like that. The feeling completely goes away and to prove it, she will not re-date these men no matter how much they beg. She feels nothing but friendship after it's over. So I think these people are entitled to be understood and taken seriously. Their truth may not match others' but it is true regardless.
I can totally see that!
I got my perception from the pisces that told me that and then cheated with one of those friends....I don't know if you read my post on here regarding that but that's where my perception(biased of course, lol) about this comes from.
So I can see how potentially I'm wrong, they are not all like that and he just tainted my view of pisces men although I will always be leery of pisces energy they are just to different from me regarding what they see as loyalty and what I see as loyalty.
I'm not opposed to friends, but he would turn to this person everytime we argued and she would start talking about how good THEY used to be when together, then he would tell me. This is the same girl he wanted as his "best man" at his wedding.
He had more female "friends" than make friends by far and was touchy feely with all of them and called all of them pet names. I felt invisible! As far as female friends go, I can feel if there is more going on than what I'm being told so typically if I don't get any red flag energies coming from the friendship then I'm a happy camper!! IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted August 15, 2015 01:26 PM
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Originally posted by Faith:
@SSSI don't think Venus in Pisces obliterates preferences, so I can imagine that guy pushing his own demands, especially when you consider that Venus in Pisces people may have their sun in one of the more pushy and stubborn signs, from Cap to Taurus. Well sun in Pisces can go either way, I honestly think the degree matters a lot with Pisces.
His sun was 0 degrees Aqua. He used to say to his wife, "can't I have any friends" so I doubt if he would have been the one to stand between me and my friend. I doubt it would have mattered to him at all. Her on the other hand, definitely, because she also liked the friend. My reasoning back then was, she has a husband so she has no claim to this other guy, the one that I like even though she found him. She had a knack for finding people. I think she wanted as many friends as she could find because her husband told her they both needed friends or something because he liked going out drinking with his coworkers.
One time me and his wife went to this club where her brother had a lot of friends and they all hung out there and were in a band and everything, so they had this clique of acquaintances and friends. The girlfriend of her brother's best friend was there. She came up to sit with us and she started telling her how attractive her husband was and I could tell, and I am sure she could too, this girl was completely in love with her husband and was sitting right beside her telling her and everything. It must have been really awkward. I was blown away thinking wow! This is just unreal! I guess it's a matter of what you expect out of relationships. Should it be so one on one? Who's to say that's the only kind to have? It helps if the couple are individually popular because then one doesn't feel inferior to the other. A lot of this jealousy has roots in insecurity which I think was her problem. She felt insecure because she couldn't find as many friends but she was possessive, too, and didn't seem to require a lot. Tauruses are great one on one friends. They can be happy with one person they trust without needing others which is why I liked being with her.
After seeing situations like these unfold right under my nose, I began to wonder what, exactly, a relationship is, anyway?
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LeeLoo2014
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posted August 15, 2015 01:35 PM
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Now the issue is, how do you communicate that to someone who doesn't believe you?I'm glad my husband let me invite my guy friends to our wedding. My husband is a Leo so jealousy is a foregone conclusion but he needed to trust me when I said, "These are just friends." If he didn't, we'd have had such serious issues, I couldn't have married him.
This is a different matter though. I have lots of guy friends too, and this has always been an issue in my relationships. I also work with a lot of men and we are friends. But I interact with them socially, in a group context (parties, going out, holidays) when and if I have a bf, I can understand why a closer contact would be an issue; it's not normal to constantly mingle with guy friends or female friends - if you are a guy - unless one is 17 or something; and single. Or to have one-to-one, intimate interactions with them for too long (such as visiting them in private for instance), unless something very special happens (in need of help or something). With the exception of my ex, he didn't mind, which I didn't like; I deliberately did something mean (to say the least) because of that; despite having Venus trine Pluto, he was a very strong Aqua. I think what you describe, the ability to remain friends with exes, is typical for Aqua, not Pisces. But to be honest, although I am pretty sure he wasn't sexually attracted to exes anymore, being obsessed with personal success, he wanted to feel at least the other still has a crush on him. And I could feel it. He had tons of exes and so called female "friends"; but what he did was continuously testing his attraction level. Ugh Personally, I am not very much into men who constantly surround themselves with female friends, flirt and chitchat with them, they are not my style. They usually have insecurity issues. Anyway, my guy friends are not exes, with one very special exception; someone I loved very much, we loved each other, but the physical style was very different, I didn't like it, so it was more of an attempt rather than a full relationship. But we are lifelong friends. And there is love. Platonic love. Boyfriends usually don't like or accept this relationship, so I try to be as distant as possible. ------------------
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posted August 15, 2015 01:41 PM
I CAN'T DECIDE.Maybe that's one point against the pisces men. IP: Logged |
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posted August 15, 2015 02:06 PM
I think I sort of feel you Faith, on the friend-with-the-ex thing. I always have affection (neither romantic nor sexual) to people whom I was involved with. Sometimes they can be just former crushes. Unless there's bad blood between us of course.They are the keepers of something special, something that we shared, something that tugged on my heart strings, even just in a fleeting moment. They know a part of me, they once were a part of my world and affected me to various degree. I treasure the memories greatly, and I always see these people as "special". My life is a journey, and I feel honoured to have met and shared a little something with them at some points. I talked to my husband a great deal about it. And as I blabbered on and on, eventually he said he understood what I meant, although he agreed that it was sort of tough to fully describe it in words. IP: Logged |
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posted August 15, 2015 02:13 PM
Muddy, I understand this too. In a way, I love all my exes. We can meet, occasionally, if there isn't the bad blood as you say haha. But them being part of my daily circle of friends wouldn't be possible, because that passion is still there, or at least the shadow of it. It never dies. It would be totally unfair towards my SO to bring the ghosts from my past into our daily life, and viceversa.Neither of my exes has become a buddy; it's interesting, the difference between people; I can't possibly imagine an ex lover becoming a buddy, it's a very strange thing to me, something I know I will never experience, the energy I have towards exes is different than this. And also, if I think about it, I have never experienced an ex seeing me as a buddy either. I know other people do experience this and I have seen it, but it's not part of my Plutonian universe ------------------
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posted August 15, 2015 02:23 PM
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I CAN'T DECIDE.Maybe that's one point against the pisces men.
On what? ------------------
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posted August 15, 2015 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
After seeing situations like these unfold right under my nose, I began to wonder what, exactly, a relationship is, anyway?
Sometimes I think it requires a lot of artifice which is why I've said, I don't think I was cut out for marriage. I don't like being fake about ANYTHING but I have to be, to keep the marriage going. My husband actually hates astrology and has told me to hide my astrology books since he doesn't want the kids to get tainted with it. Better to laugh than cry! So I hid the books and he must've forgotten that he told me to hide them because he found a stash a few years ago and threw them all out and got angry that I'm so sneaky. So I had to remind him that I am not hiding BY CHOICE I am just honoring his wishes and I told him seriously that if he throws out my astrology books again, I would divorce him. Now I've had astrology books lying openly around the house, and he doesn't really react. Also he knows better than to ask me what I'm doing on the computer...half the time, I'm here... Am I hiding this from him? Yeah and I don't like "being sneaky" but he asked me to, so.... OMG marriage sucks. I love my husband honestly but marriage can kiss my a$$, I suck at it.
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posted August 15, 2015 02:31 PM
Oh, I think I understand what you mean now leeloo.Thing with me is that I don't do the "buddy-buddy"/"bffs" thing where I'm practically stuck at the hips with someone. Apart from my husband, no one else is a part of my daily life. I don't hang out with anyone constantly, on a daily basis or every weekend. Heh not even with my best friends. In my world, exes are special friends, I don't "interact" with them much. I think about them sometimes, sometimes I call to gossip about their lives. There's the occasional email every now and then. And my "sometimes" and "occasional" equal "once in a blue moon". I can see how interacting too much with the exes, think about them/re-living past memories all the time and seeing them daily can be a problem. IP: Logged |
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posted August 15, 2015 02:34 PM
Maybe I'm a weird exception but if I'm in a relationship I don't ever have crushes on anyone else. I've never had eyes for anyone else besides my partner. Maybe that's why I can be friends with exes no problem. I'm almost loyal to a fault howeverI have been cheated on in almost every relationship I've been in. IP: Logged |
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posted August 15, 2015 02:41 PM
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Originally posted by polkadotstars:
Maybe I'm a weird exception but if I'm in a relationship I don't ever have crushes on anyone else. I've never had eyes for anyone else besides my partner. Maybe that's why I can be friends with exes no problem. I'm almost loyal to a fault howeverI have been cheated on in almost every relationship I've been in.
You have Venus in Aries? I have seen a lot of loyalty from Venus in Aries.
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posted August 15, 2015 02:44 PM
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Originally posted by Faith:
Sometimes I think it requires a lot of artifice which is why I've said, I don't think I was cut out for marriage. I don't like being fake about ANYTHING but I have to be, to keep the marriage going. My husband actually hates astrology and has told me to hide my astrology books since he doesn't want the kids to get tainted with it. Better to laugh than cry! So I hid the books and he must've forgotten that he told me to hide them because he found a stash a few years ago and threw them all out and got angry that I'm so sneaky. So I had to remind him that I am not hiding BY CHOICE I am just honoring his wishes and I told him seriously that if he throws out my astrology books again, I would divorce him. Now I've had astrology books lying openly around the house, and he doesn't really react. Also he knows better than to ask me what I'm doing on the computer...half the time, I'm here... Am I hiding this from him? Yeah and I don't like "being sneaky" but he asked me to, so.... OMG marriage sucks. I love my husband honestly but marriage can kiss my a$$, I suck at it.
Faith I wouldn't be able to handle that either. I'm sorry!
I can't stand feeling like I can't be totally open and honest in all aspects. I guess that's why I need someone who's on the same page with me regarding love and relationships if we have totally different standards and styles I feel like it's fake or we are lying to each other. Your husband reminds of my step dad, he used to do things like that to my mom. They have been together now 20+ years and he's not like that anymore thankfully.
I hope I have not come across harsh in this thread or hurt feelings, this subject is something I'm passionate about because I've been hurt by so many pisces lately. It's just annoying and an open wound. They always come back n want to be friends and that to gets on my nerves, lol! IP: Logged |
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posted August 15, 2015 02:46 PM
Yes, I can relate to this, Muddy There is always an aura surrounding past loves, at least for me and my kind lolPolkadotstars, I do believe that too many or too much exes popping their head may undermine a relationship. But I guess it depends on how people process past relationships; as I said, no way for me or my lovers to becomes buddies for each other. Usually, when we split, we almost die or kill each other even if we manage to survive, the simmering is still there; and the compelling memories; how can anyone turn buddies with those memories?? Those memories are an aura around both of us and submitting the SO to this aura is like forcing him to receive someone else in our bed. It's more than unfair; and undermining. ------------------
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posted August 15, 2015 02:47 PM
@LeeLoo and muddy,Maybe it's an earth sign thing to never really totally stop loving someone. On an everyday basis I never miss any of my exes. Not even my ex-soulmate...I just mention him a lot here because he's an astrological curiosity to me (ie "Why was that SO strong?") The others, I look at them with more or less fondness, and detachment....I'm on good terms with most of them, though we haven't talked in many years...I assume they would greet me with a hug and a smile if I ran into them somewhere. So it's detachment. But: 1) Yes if they flirted with me, I would be flattered ("Oh how sweet, you still like me after all this time, I must've been totally special, ahhhhh my Leo ASC enjoys this quite a bit!") 2) With a few of them, that flirting wouldn't just be lighthearted fun stuff, it would like "Ohhhhh crap he really got under my skin! I'm such a louse, I'm emotionally cheating now! ACK!!" So it's better I don't talk to them.... Maybe when I'm older and even more wrinkly... It would just be a joke to think they are still interested in me. IP: Logged |
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posted August 15, 2015 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by polkadotstars:
[b]Maybe I'm a weird exception but if I'm in a relationship I don't ever have crushes on anyone else. I've never had eyes for anyone else besides my partner. Maybe that's why I can be friends with exes no problem. I'm almost loyal to a fault howeverI have been cheated on in almost every relationship I've been in.
You have Venus in Aries? I have seen a lot of loyalty from Venus in Aries.[/B][/QUOTE]Yep! Venus Aries and Leo Rising. IP: Logged | |
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