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Belba
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posted September 25, 2015 09:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belba     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, I had this idea

While I really like the friendliness and all the positive feedback one usually gets here on LL, mostly emphasizing the brighter side of one's chart.

I'd just like to see something different here. I'd like this thread to be a slap in the face, I love me some realness. So, let's put our charts up and see who's up to comment the nasty sides of our charts, only bad stuff. I mean direct, harsh criticism, we have enough nice constructive criticism in all the other threads. So, whoever is for game, shouldn't be offended and also be willing to leave some feedback afterwards.

So, no participation for those who get offended on the sun sing threads

I really wonder what's the response will be.

so, to begin with, of course my chart. I throw myself to the lions.

and don't be shy. Let's put the politeness aside.

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posted September 25, 2015 09:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL I'm not sure if I can do this...

But your Dejanira-NN is exactly conjunct my Mercury so it's like, you are asking for it?

ROTFL....

Let me think.

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posted September 25, 2015 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belba     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I AM asking for it

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posted September 25, 2015 10:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ That is so Aqua NN-Deja of you!

I will just pick apart your OP, mercilessly, as per your request.

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While I really like the friendliness and all the positive feedback one usually gets here on LL, mostly emphasizing the brighter side of one's chart...

zzzzzz

Libra being Libra, people-pleasing verbal static.....

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I'd just like to see something different here.

Something different? Oh right, because 11H Uranus rules your chart. Uranus always demands whatever is different. *eye roll*

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I'd like this thread to be a slap in the face, I love me some realness.

"Slap in the face." Shhh, your Chiron-Eros is showing....

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So, let's put our charts up and see who's up to comment the nasty sides of our charts, only bad stuff.

Well with Scorpio Pluto at the tippy top of your chart, and Sag MC conjunct Lilith, you've got those two All Seeing Eyes taking stock of everyone's flaws...and Pluto at the apex of that minor triangle with Mercury and 11H Saturn wants to talk about it. Wants to make itself known.

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I mean direct, harsh criticism, we have enough nice constructive criticism in all the other threads.

Yup, I hear your Virgo Mercury trine Capricorn Saturn. All the goodness of your hypercritical Mercury, iced with that self-righteous and dogmatic Saturn, with Pluto like a cherry on top as I said. So yummy.....and after a main course of your harsh Gemini Mars on the IC? Why I'm just plain stuffed with negativity...er, I mean, constructive criticism!

(LOL....Not really though...I'm actually lying here...you'll see why I'm a liar once I post my chart.)

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So, whoever is for game, shouldn't be offended and also be willing to leave some feedback afterwards.

Yeah it's just a game, Leo Jupiter on the SN in the nitpicky 6H, wanting to "play" the classic schoolyard game of bullying-someone-til-they-cry. Awesome.

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So, no participation for those who get offended on the sun sing threads

Capricorn filling the 11H: exclusivity, wanting to associate with tough people.

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and don't be shy. Let's put the politeness aside.

Yes, let us communally honor the quicksand of your intercepted first house Pisces, and let all the nicey-nicey go straight down the tubes for once, just to please you!

Oh god I am going to be SUCH a target when I post my chart....

*bites nails*

Not sure if I can handle it today.... LOL

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posted September 25, 2015 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theunknown     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Faith: you are a plutonic Capricorn... Totally capable of handling it like a champ


My Taurus rising is gonna watch for a while before deciding if I should participate

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posted September 25, 2015 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belba     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Faith,

to be honest, I didn't expect it to be SO accurate

guilty of practically all you've said. Damn! I don't even think I've got anything to add, there's really no comment needed

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posted September 25, 2015 10:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aw thanks for the vote of confidence, the unknown.

Yeah the real question is, What isn't wrong with me???

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Have fun kids.

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posted September 25, 2015 10:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Belba:
Faith,

to be honest, I didn't expect it to be SO accurate

guilty of practically all you've said. Damn! I don't even think I've got anything to add, there's really no comment needed


I think you're great.

Illegal compliment brought to you by my rebellious Aquarius Mercury.

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posted September 25, 2015 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^ And I think "wrong" is a subjective term when it comes to charts...

I pointed out some things others might take issue with, but as a matter of taste, I also prefer the dead-on truth (3H Pluto, Mercury opposing Saturn) and enjoy people who are thick-skinned. Also my Aqua DSC loves your Aqua ASC and I like everything different, too.

I'm a little concerned that no one has roasted me yet...

Are my problems just too glaringly obvious?

For fairness' sake, I'll roast myself if no one steps up to the plate....

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posted September 25, 2015 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theunknown     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well Faith,

The problem isn't that no one wants to roast you ... Ah, it's tempting to roast (and not roast) a plutonian. But eh, to be roasted back is only fair, and unpleasant.

I think your chat is all about being double dosed, you know.

That Piscean moon is so kind and elusive, add that Neptune-square and you see someone who is even more elusive, and delusional, and evasive, and uhm...I guess here's your liar aspect you talked about earlier. Worse, the moon is in 8th house, so you are oh-so-convinced you see things.

Seeing things is also a part of your Sun-square-pluto psyche. Your ego gets that Jupiter-square to boost. So when you really see things, you really see things. But when you are delusional about seeing things, oh, you are really delusional about it and will get angry if others think you dont.

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Illegal compliment brought to you by my rebellious Aquarius Mercury.

Oh I dont think the illegal compliment is just an Aqua mercury thing. It's more of a Leo-rising, bundle of joy that you are while in your head you are secretly analyzing everything methodologically and do not know what to do with such insights while maintaining the entertaining persona. Hence you termed it "illegal," because such persona conflicts with your mercury. It doesn't help that your mercury square Uranus, here is another double dose of troubles. You want to sound smart, distinguish yourself by your opinion at the risk of seeming like a know-it-all.

I guess it's also hard to be a capricorn with Retrograde Saturn in 12th. Your leo rising wants to be out there, but you feel bad about yourself for no reason. Hence a double dose of self-depreciating humor.

Retrograde mars opposite venus-neptune is another "liar" aspect. You want to be so forgiving, so generous but your shy mars keeps seeing all of these little details and then can't express itself how iffy your venus is.

To be fair, your psycho neptune influences bring you amazing psychic abilities that LL-ers know so well. And the Plutonic influence does bring you out of your neptunian haze ... or else you'd be lost.

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posted September 25, 2015 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theunknown     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That said, Faith, you really ask to be analyzed your lower octave energy. I am generally obsessed with pluto-sun people and can write equally well on your higher octave.

I notice that people with lots of retrograde planets tend to be weirdly psychic and successful.

Here is my boring chart

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posted September 25, 2015 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yay I got roasted!

And you did a good job!

I just have a few comments...and please leave your chart up for me to look at. Be back later.

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posted September 25, 2015 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Faith....I'll roast your pisces moon square mars.

So, pisces moon is not the strongest emotional placement already, but square mars?
You might seem kind of bi-polar at times. When you do finally stand up for yourself you probably explode and go to extremes. You will bring up all the emotional resentment you've been quietly holding onto for months if not years, it all comes out at once.
You can be emotionally inconsistent, most the time, potentially, overly sweet and accommodating until the explosion.

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posted September 25, 2015 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by theunknown:
I think your chat is all about being double dosed, you know.

Brilliant way of saying it. Yes. Not just the moon, but Aqua Mercury square Uranus and Cap sun in mutual reception with Saturn.

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That Piscean moon is so kind and elusive, add that Neptune-square and you see someone who is even more elusive, and delusional, and evasive, and uhm...I guess here's your liar aspect you talked about earlier. Worse, the moon is in 8th house, so you are oh-so-convinced you see things.

I know that I need to try to be objective, because I can fool myself so easily, but then, "being objective" can turn into another layer of delusion.

But yes, that's the "liar" aspect, moon-Mars-Neptune. I'm honest about many things, but some things....I am genuinely fuzzy about. So if a concrete answer is requested (or demanded) where I feel nothing concrete, I may improvise. And then I feel so universal and formless, it's as if, whatever I say must be sincere on some level...I can "own" it...so it's justified.

And I tend to really believe that.

Contrary to traditional ethics.

But it's not my fault I feel so nebulous. Blow up Neptune if you don't like it.

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Seeing things is also a part of your Sun-square-pluto psyche. Your ego gets that Jupiter-square to boost. So when you really see things, you really see things. But when you are delusional about seeing things, oh, you are really delusional about it and will get angry if others think you dont.

Mmmm....yes I have done that kind of thing before....

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Oh I dont think the illegal compliment is just an Aqua mercury thing. It's more of a Leo-rising, bundle of joy that you are while in your head you are secretly analyzing everything methodologically and do not know what to do with such insights while maintaining the entertaining persona.

I mean "illegal" as a joke...as if the law here is, no compliments, only criticism!

I actually pull in a lot about people that I don't analyze. It just sits there in me as an unnamed impression, usually based on an emotion the person elicited in me. Much of that gets stored in the dark cave of my 8H. To talk about those impressions, my Mercury has to overcome the loose semisquare to the moon and retrieve that raw data, and find words for it. Kind of difficult.

Much easier for Mercury to consult Venus (via the easy sextile) which hoards favorable impressions.

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I guess it's also hard to be a capricorn with Retrograde Saturn in 12th. Your leo rising wants to be out there, but you feel bad about yourself for no reason. Hence a double dose of self-depreciating humor.

Thanks...right...

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Retrograde mars opposite venus-neptune is another "liar" aspect. You want to be so forgiving, so generous but your shy mars keeps seeing all of these little details and then can't express itself how iffy your venus is.

To be fair, your psycho neptune influences bring you amazing psychic abilities that LL-ers know so well. And the Plutonic influence does bring you out of your neptunian haze ... or else you'd be lost.


LOL, psycho Neptune.

I don't have amazing abilities...or do I?

I have made some good guesses, but I don't develop my intuition, because I can't see any use for it. Plus, my pr sun will be in Pisces with tr Neptune conjunct my moon in a few years. I'm enjoying my sanity while I can.

Mars Rx in the 11H, yes, sometimes my friends get on my nerves but I almost never mention it. And moon-Neptune justifies that by saying, "Well who cares?? So they did this annoying thing...whatever..." I care and don't care, at once.

Be back later with some observations on your chart. Thanks again for reading mine, though you were a little too easy on me.

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posted September 25, 2015 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Faith....I'll roast your pisces moon square mars.

So, pisces moon is not the strongest emotional placement already, but square mars?
You might seem kind of bi-polar at times. When you do finally stand up for yourself you probably explode and go to extremes. You will bring up all the emotional resentment you've been quietly holding onto for months if not years, it all comes out at once.
You can be emotionally inconsistent, most the time, potentially, overly sweet and accommodating until the explosion.


Yup.

Though I don't actually feel resentful as I go through life. I mean, it's not like every day I am suffering in silence.

The sun-Pluto-Jupiter is the real b*tch. Mars-moon-Neptune, I see that as a little chihuahua that barks annoyingly sometimes. If I am ever just plain monsterous, it comes from the Capricorn sun and its t-square.

ETA: And the way my sun feeds into Mars and vocalizes, through the quincunx.

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posted September 25, 2015 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meyray     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DRAG ME

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posted September 25, 2015 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theunknown     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Faith,

I think you are very spot on in many of your comments. And I sense the combination of Pluto and Neptune

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posted September 25, 2015 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Meyrey Moon square Mars is terrible! The people I know who have that don't get along with women which is fine...if you admit it. But you have that insane Scorpio stellium so I won't be holding my breath 😅.

Nice thread Belba 😊

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posted September 25, 2015 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And all in the 6th house. I kind of wonder if you have problems at work either with people feeling threatened by your wit and ego, or are you really bossy?

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posted September 25, 2015 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Yup.

Though I don't actually feel resentful as I go through life. I mean, it's not like every day I am suffering in silence.

The sun-Pluto-Jupiter is the real b*tch. Mars-moon-Neptune, I see that as a little chihuahua that barks annoyingly sometimes. If I am ever just plain monsterous, it comes from the Capricorn sun and its t-square.

ETA: And the way my sun feeds into Mars and vocalizes, through the quincunx.


I wouldn't think pisces would feel resentful until it all boils to a head, it seems they stay pretty happy and mild until they explode. Lol
I love you pisces ppl, I hope that wasn't to bad of a roast?

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posted September 25, 2015 04:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Faith - do your kids (maybe your favorite, or your daughter) lie to you a lot or you refuse (and by that I meam deny bc it's Pisces square Neptune we're talking about here) to see them the way another might?

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@Belba - Sun in Libra with Moon in Sag...not everybody has to like you and you don't HAVE to write two thesises on quantum physics. The professor would probably give you an A for being hot even if you raised your hand and asked too many questions.

Ah, I love this thread! i wish I could type more but im on my phone. Poo.

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posted September 25, 2015 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted September 25, 2015 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belba     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, meyray,

messed up! That 4H Mars causing loads of issues, eh? A little bit of bickering at home and you go on sulking, licking your wounds how they've hurt your pride and it's all their fault. You're DESPERATE to be hopelessly devoted to a person, you want to »merge« (yeah right, like that's possible) into somebody soul, and have some fancy, high flying ideas (don't get me started on that delusional Mercury squared by the gods of unachievable ideal – Neptune and Uranus), your Libra Mercury is non stop pathetically dreaming about THE ONE, while in reality, you always wind up with some completely f*cked up person, because, let's face it, Pluto conjunct DSC and Scorpio Venus, both leading back to that scorned Mars, you want drama, you feed of it. And you obsessively stick to the one you set your mind to, that blo*dy Saturn aspecting the stellium won't give up, will it? And being in Pisces, it gives you issues with boundaries, with everybody to see.

You might seem nice and pretty straightforward, when one meets you (air AC and MC), but really you'll always sulking and dwelling in your (sometimes imaginary) misery. Well of course you have bad luck in love, look at that Chiron taking over the fifth house, confidence doesn't come easy eh? Stop being such a subservient person, letting everybody to step over you (6H stellium), you're not a martyr and you're definitly not needed to sacrifice yourself. Yeah, you're childhood perhaps wasn't the best, but stop dreaming all the time (9H Uranus, Neptune, Libra Mercury), waiting for prince to save you, while in reality you very well know that you've got to get your shi* together and stop feeling miserable. You might seem like a very giving and obliging, when it's in fact boiling in you, all you see is your guts, how you want them to give you full attention (Leo-Scorpio), you get too self absorbed (the Scorpio Stellium), with all your yada yada feelings, and know it's time to sort them out, that Moon conjunct NN is sending you a lesson.

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posted September 25, 2015 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So what's wrong with me?

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