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Topic: Natal and transits for having a "sugar daddy"
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Faith
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From: Bella's Hair Salon
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posted November 19, 2015 08:28 PM
  
Oh! And to shed a light on my answer above: I have a Pisces moon square Neptune, Venus conjunct Neptune, Taurus SN sextile moon.I understand the idea of investing in one's imagination.
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Odette
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posted November 19, 2015 08:30 PM
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If I was single and this was possible...sure I would pay Tom Hardy to go out for lunch with me. Damn straight! Yes I would!!!
Ok 
But - Would you turn it into an ongoing relationship and become Tom Hardy's sugar mommy? Because... one lunch - wouldn't point to psychological issues, from my pov. This just means you *really* want to meet Tom Hardy! However... I do believe that.. doing this as an ongoing thing.... points to things like low self-esteem and unhealthy perspectives on giving/receiving love. IP: Logged |
Faith
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From: Bella's Hair Salon
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posted November 19, 2015 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by Odette:
But - what I see as - the difference in this context... (and this is also the way I feel about prostitution) - is that there are often underlying psychological issues that lead people to enter such "relationships"... and these issues, if left unchecked - can go from bad to worse.
Hmm...as we see so often with celebrities who get paid for their company? They do fall apart. Well they become commodities to so many people....that can't be fun. Though on a smaller scale, I haven't had any real-life experience with this. One of my male friends did treat his dates extravagantly well, way beyond what anyone would expect. He's a Pisces sun, Leo or Virgo moon. Did the girl become a prostitute somehow, mid-date, when he was ordering a shockingly expensive wine? Was she a prostitute when she accepted another date knowing his nature...if she let his money sway her? Such a gray area.
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Faith
Knowflake Posts: 14016
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posted November 19, 2015 08:37 PM
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Originally posted by Odette:
Ok
But - Would you turn it into an ongoing relationship and become Tom Hardy's sugar mommy?
Honestly??? You need to ask??? YES OF COURSE  But we have very excellent synastry and maybe I could lower the payments based on that. Like it would become increasingly voluntary on his part, with a proportionate reduction in fees. IP: Logged |
Faith
Knowflake Posts: 14016
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posted November 19, 2015 08:44 PM
I AM joking. 
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Odette
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posted November 19, 2015 09:41 PM
hahahahaLol!!  I literally laughed out loud IP: Logged |
wheresthemoon
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posted November 19, 2015 10:52 PM
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Originally posted by Faith:
I'd be scared the guy would turn stalker and kill me.Beyond that, I see no moral problem here. People pay each other for their company any number of ways, and it's fine. You can hire a person to be your personal assistant, maid, exercise trainer, driver, bodyguard, tutor. In all those cases, you seek something that another person can provide. But you cannot pay someone to just be their beautiful self around you? THAT is different from the examples above, and bad?  In a concert setting, you can pay to sit in the front row, and it's the same thing...you may enjoy the performance, but really you're paying for their company. Are they, then, prostitutes to you?? If I was single and this was possible...sure I would pay Tom Hardy to go out for lunch with me. Damn straight! Yes I would!!! He wouldn't be a prostitute. He'd just serve as a kind of beauty-idol, and I'd be devoutly leaving money at his altar. LOL  This is gonna get me in trouble.....
I'm about to say something weird but...
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athenegoddess
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posted November 19, 2015 11:07 PM
The difference between having dates with men for money and working as a personal assistant is that you aren't required to sell your love to someone for money. IP: Logged |
wheresthemoon
Knowflake Posts: 779
From: Texas
Registered: Aug 2014
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posted November 19, 2015 11:15 PM
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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
The difference between having dates with men for money and working as a personal assistant is that you aren't required to sell your love to someone for money.
Yeah. I'm most definitely not selling my "love" in any sense of the word. Merely my time. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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From: Wankety Wankerson
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted November 19, 2015 11:35 PM
Ok....
Since nobody else is going to do it I'm going to point out the obvious. This whole thread is a gigantic double standard. Every single point of view in this thread is completely female-centric. I'm especially disappointed in the way the other men have responded. The general consensus in this thread is that there's no problem for her to continue to keep up this arrangement as long as she is aware he might feel entitled to sex. Several have advised her to cut it off with him if she feels the pressure because he could become dangerous. Let's just look at this another way for a second..... I have had debates with members on this very forum about prostitution and the general consensus was guys who have to pay are creeps and losers and are taking advantage of vulnerable women. So if a guy is a creep for paying to spend time with a woman isn't the woman equally creepy and immoral for taking his money? I don't think you can have it both ways.... If its morally reprehensible for a guy to pay for female companionship its also morally reprehensible for a woman to offer companionship for money. And if a guy is preying on a vulnerable woman when he sees a prostitute isn't a woman who takes money from a lonely guy taking advantage of him in a sense? And don't try to say "well he is on a website looking for it!" because I could just as easily say the women that are in the brothels are in the brothels so they are obviously open to exchanging companionship and sex for cash. I know nobody is even going to consider my point of view so I don't even know why I went to the trouble of saying anything, but oh well. IP: Logged |
Bluejay
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posted November 19, 2015 11:45 PM
^I won't go so far as to say that I agree with you, because I always find your views to be very biased in favor of men. However, I think that this is an agreement between two consenting adults, and my only criticism was that wheresthemoon does not think that sex will be a part of the exchange. I think that she is being quite naive about what exactly this man is expecting to get out if such an arrangement. There may be exceptions, but I think there is an inherent expectation of sex in these situations.IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted November 19, 2015 11:52 PM
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Originally posted by Odette:
Ok
But - Would you turn it into an ongoing relationship and become Tom Hardy's sugar mommy? Because... one lunch - wouldn't point to psychological issues, from my pov. This just means you *really* want to meet Tom Hardy! However... I do believe that.. doing this as an ongoing thing.... points to things like low self-esteem and unhealthy perspectives on giving/receiving love.
I'm acquainted with a man who fell in love with his first sugar baby (prostitute turned SB), then lost her because she didn't love him. He idolizes women 24 and under, and tried to have another SB, but she couldn't match the magic of his first - so he's back to high-end prostitutes once a week or so. I don't like him, because he hates on older women, and compares marriage to prostitution. He has decided to stick to prostitutes, because he can get the hot young babe, that he wouldn't be able to otherwise (without paying). He's actually said this, and everyone I know who knows him - they can see how unhealthy he is. He doesn't care to have an evenly matched relationship with a woman who would really love him. He's around 53 years old. IP: Logged |
athenegoddess
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posted November 19, 2015 11:52 PM
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Originally posted by wheresthemoon:
Yeah. I'm most definitely not selling my "love" in any sense of the word. Merely my time.
So you are putting a price on your time and you cost money to spend time with? That's kind of evil. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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From: Wankety Wankerson
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posted November 19, 2015 11:58 PM
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Originally posted by Bluejay:
^I won't go so far as to say that I agree with you, because I always find your views to be very biased in favor of men. However, I think that this is an agreement between two consenting adults, and my only criticism was that wheresthemoon does not think that sex will be a part of the exchange. I think that she is being quite naive about what exactly this man is expecting to get out if such an arrangement. There may be exceptions, but I think there is an inherent expectation of sex in these situations.
Really?!?!?
So its ok to take a man's money as long as he isn't getting sex? Now that's logic! But once you add sex its the man that's taking advantage of the woman?!?!? I recently read about these places called "cuddle houses" in Portland, Oregon where men pay women something like 50 dollars an hour to cuddle with them, how is that any different than prostitution? If you ask me its worse. Women have the power to monotize basic human needs like human touch and affection and our society wants to tell us how privileged men are???? That's why I made the sarcastic comment about male privilege earlier. And yes, I am a male that sees things from a male perspective,shocking I know. Although I can see how that could be a surprise to you seeing as how the other men on this forum don't ever rock the boat.
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Bluejay
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posted November 19, 2015 11:59 PM
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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
So you are putting a price on your time and you cost money to spend time with? That's kind of evil.
@athenegoddess, I share many of your views about sacred sex and such....BUT anyone that has a job is exchanging their time for money. IP: Logged |
athenegoddess
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posted November 20, 2015 12:05 AM
As I already mentioned this isn't a moral job that is looked down from God with admiration. A normal job is exchanging your skills for money. What skills is she exactly exchanging here? Is it something that is actually hers to give?She is exchanging her 'looks' for money. If she was unattractive would this man be interested? Likewise if he didn't have money would she be interested? She is exchanging her gift of feminine beauty for money that was given to her by God to go to her true love. This isn't true love. In the end someone will get hurt. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
Knowflake Posts: 16819
From: Venus cornering Neptune
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posted November 20, 2015 12:10 AM
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Originally posted by Faith:
But you cannot pay someone to just be their beautiful self around you? THAT is different from the examples above, and bad?
Yes, it is. Selling your professional skills and time is one thing, selling your sex (gender) in personal contexts is a form of prostitution and a downward spiral.
And those men are looking for sex, no matter how long the prelude is.
And even if they are not, if they're looking to be seen by buddies in the company of a young woman, that's equally pathetic. Why would anyone want to encourage such a pathetic scheme in someone else?
It means encouraging weakness in someone else, taking advantage of it.
Besides, the main issue here is frequenting people, men or women, mimicking personal relationships with them, interest, love, because they are rich and buy you things.
The anti-love territory of at least emotional prostitution, if not physical as well.
I'll be back.
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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...
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LeeLoo2014
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From: Venus cornering Neptune
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posted November 20, 2015 12:14 AM
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Originally posted by Odette:
I wasn't going to "go there" - but ok.My opinion on this - is basically - that if you were in a seriously dire financial situation and felt like you truly had no way out - no family or friends to help you out.. no job prospects etc.
Sorry, but no, poverty is not an excuse for becoming an escort or a prostitute, there's always work to do. ------------------
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Bluejay
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posted November 20, 2015 12:16 AM
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Really?!?!?
So its ok to take a man's money as long as he isn't getting sex? Now that's logic! But once you add sex its the man that's taking advantage of the woman?!?!? I recently read about these places called "cuddle houses" in Portland, Oregon where men pay women something like 50 dollars an hour to cuddle with them, how is that any different than prostitution? If you ask me its worse. Women have the power to monotize basic human needs like human touch and affection and our society wants to tell us how privileged men are???? That's why I made the sarcastic comment about male privilege earlier. And yes, I am a male that sees things from a male perspective,shocking I know. Although I can see how that would a surprise seeing as how the other men on this forum don't ever rock the boat. [/B][/QUOTE]Aquaguy, I never said that it was acceptable to take a man's money as long as sex was not involved! As a matter of fact my responses have been warning about the expectations that exchanging money creates. I personally don't approve of any of this behavior, but it's not my job to tell others how to live their lives. Your views on women are alarming, because no matter the circumstances you see them as being users and predatory towards men. That's a very dangerous viewpoint to have. Your bitterness towards the opposite sex is borderline hatred. I think that you would benefit from truly seeing things through a woman's viewpoint for once, but I don't think you are capable of that. IP: Logged |
Bluejay
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posted November 20, 2015 12:21 AM
@athenegoddess I agree with everything you said in your last comment. I was just commenting that we all trade time/energy/skills for money. I agree that this is different because their is a sexual component to it, whether it is actually consummated or not.IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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From: Wankety Wankerson
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posted November 20, 2015 12:25 AM
because no matter the circumstances you see them as being users and predatory towards men.[/B][/QUOTE]
That is not true. And the responses in this thread rub me the wrong way because I once let it be known that I had seen escorts before and I was shamed and ridiculed for it by most of the people in the thread but here you have a woman that is openly admitting that she is taking money from this guy to spend time with him and most don't seem to have a problem with it at all. Your only qualm seems to be that he might expect sex so you have a problem with him and his desires and not what she is doing. I'm just saying its a huge double standard and nobody wants to face that. A guy is a creep and a loser if he pays for sex or female companionship but it's just two adults that are consenting to something if a woman is offering these things for money. Your responses are biased. If a man made this thread and said he paid a sugar baby to spend time with him and wanted to know what transits were causing this everyone on the forum would blast him and call him a loser. You know I'm right about that. LolIP: Logged |
CupOfDavid
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posted November 20, 2015 12:48 AM
If a man or woman wants to pay a man or woman for his/her companionship, let him/her do it. If the two parties are absolutely clear about what each party wants out of the relationship, I see no problem with it. (The italicized part is especially important because trouble only arises when one party is not clear about what is expected of him/her or the other party.)It's that simple, folks.
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aquaguy91
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posted November 20, 2015 12:50 AM
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Originally posted by CupOfDavid:
If a man or woman wants to pay a man or woman for his/her companionship, let him/her do it. If the two parties are absolutely clear about what each party wants out of the relationship, I see no problem with it. (The italicized part is especially important because trouble only arises when one party is not clear about what is expected of him/her or the other party.)It's that simple, folks.
I can't argue with that. IP: Logged |
athenegoddess
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posted November 20, 2015 01:00 AM
Meeting people on site like the one she mentioned is for men seeking women who need monetary support in exchange for sex. I don't think she is completely clear that this man is looking for that.. and she thinks he will just pay her for talking. which may seem like the case at first, but is not what is in the back of his mind.IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted November 20, 2015 01:40 AM
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Sorry, but no, poverty is not an excuse for becoming an escort or a prostitute, there's always work to do.
It depends on how quickly the work is available.
You could leave an abusive marriage with your two kids and be on the streets eating from bins - in the middle of winter. ^ I'd prefer that person to find a sugar daddy. IP: Logged |
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