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Topic: Natal and transits for having a "sugar daddy"
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YoursTrulyAlways
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posted November 20, 2015 02:49 PM
  
I find it questionable that men throw out displays of material wealth in order to woo women. I too had seemingly ostentatious displays of wealth throughout college. Except that I parked my vehicles away and took the city subways. I never discussed them and showed them to any women whom I wanted to date. Any liking principally *because* of wealth would meet instant cessation of interest.IP: Logged |
Gemini Blues
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posted November 20, 2015 03:03 PM
This whole thread is so Saturn square Neptune...IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways
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posted November 20, 2015 03:10 PM
I'm just making the point that a man resorting to paying a dime for company, even conversation and nothing else, reeks of despair and desperation. IP: Logged |
athenegoddess
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posted November 20, 2015 04:13 PM
Every time I try to give my honest opinion.. you humans can never understand what I am saying and start insulting me. So I will refrain on giving a view about subjects which you humans need yourselves to see isn't the will of God. You are free to do what you want, and I never placed any judgment, I merely spoke the truth. Even Jesus worked in his life. I'm sorry you automatically associate God with Dogma instead of purity. IP: Logged |
Bluejay
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posted November 20, 2015 04:20 PM
^athenegoddess, your holier than thou rhetoric is completely out of hand! Now you are referring to everyone else as "humans" as if you are some sort of supreme being. Your lack of humility makes it blatantly obvious just how misguided you really are. IP: Logged |
wheresthemoon
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posted November 20, 2015 04:31 PM
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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
Every time I try to give my honest opinion.. you humans can never understand what I am saying and start insulting me. So I will refrain on giving a view about subjects which you humans need yourselves to see isn't the will of God. You are free to do what you want, and I never placed any judgment, I merely spoke the truth. Even Jesus worked in his life. I'm sorry you automatically associate God with Dogma instead of purity.
You have some nerve saying YOU are insulted. You called me evil, and then presumed to speak for God himself. IP: Logged |
athenegoddess
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posted November 20, 2015 04:34 PM
No I am referring to human thoughts which are insulting something I am saying about God. Humans twist truths up and think they are correct in everything without first giving proper discernment to the matter or going into their heart for answers. Each and everyone of you knows what this woman is talking about is wrong and there is no excuse to permit this behavior unless you believe in the ways of human. Take it as you will but you are all completely missing the point when I say it isn't good to date men for money in Gods eyes. IP: Logged |
athenegoddess
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posted November 20, 2015 04:35 PM
I said your actions are kind of evil. I didn't say 'you are evil'.IP: Logged |
wheresthemoon
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posted November 20, 2015 04:44 PM
Since you are so insistent on using God to prove your point, I refer to Romans 3:23 - "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." You are evil. I am evil. We are all evil. And your evil is no better than my evil. I find it shameful that you have continually used your apparent faith to elevate yourself. IP: Logged |
athenegoddess
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posted November 20, 2015 04:51 PM
That bible verse is true yet things evolve and you can choose to purify yourself and to no longer be a sinner which is why you are even on the earth and what Jesus showed us how to do. We are all here to purify ourselves of sin and be at one with our creator. I'm not acting like I haven't sinned because I have. What I see here is people giving the most superficial excuse to allow yourself to become an escort and whatnot.
Well you should know life on earth is hard, and nobody gets an easy way out. And that includes working to take care of yourself and not depending on someone else.
But if you think its okay. Then do it.  IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways
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posted November 20, 2015 04:57 PM
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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
Take it as you will but you are all completely missing the point when I say it isn't good to date men for money in Gods eyes.
Isn't that my premise as well?
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wheresthemoon
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posted November 20, 2015 05:04 PM
Eh. I'm done arguing. IP: Logged |
socialgraffiti
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posted November 20, 2015 05:08 PM
Wow, a lot of judgement passing through.@OP: I don't know if you are located in America or not, but outside of the U.S. and especially in East Asia, many men pay for a woman's company- but not for sexual favors. They simply pay a woman for being there- providing conversation, beauty, entertainment, etc. The most well know form of this are Japanese geishas, which is not considered a form of prostitution in the slightest. The combination of Cancer rising and Aries sun is a very direct, rather romantic combination. Depending on the placement of the moon, this person will primarily react emotionally (unless Moon is placed in an earth or air sign). As a result, you give off the impression of youthfulness, because you are sincere in your intentions. But this could also make you naďve or appear like you can easily be taken advantage of (especially with tPluto square Sun). It is very interesting that you currently have progressed moon in Scorpio, as those with this natal placement often seek out Taurus energy as a means of stability. Anyways, you are an adult. This is your life, and you have the decision to do whatever you please- regardless of anyone else's opinion. You seem to have good intentions, but the person you are involved with may not. I recently read a chart for someone who worked as an online escort to pay for medical school. Although not exactly the same case, her intentions were similar to yours and she also has an Aries sun. Just some general advice: •Keep your income private, and ensure that you are not financially dependent on such a person. This puts you in a vulnerable position. •Always take cash. I've heard Paypal can be dangerous. Investing in stocks (8th house activity) could also be profitable for you, if you're interested in such a field. Setting up emergency funds is also a priority. •Make sure your trusted friends/family know where you always are when you're out. If you don't know self-defense, I would recommend carrying items for self-protection. (Pepper spray, loud and easily accessible alarms, minor tasers, etc.) Note: To be honest, your chart shows an idealistic character. I think the main reason you are interested is due to progressed moon in Scorpio- focusing on the nitty-gritty-, but such an arrangement will probably not last when moon shifts into Sagittarius. Wishing you the best. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted November 20, 2015 05:53 PM
Geishas are a form of exercising power over another through patriarchal values and money. This sugar daddy thing is also mainly about dominating and using (on both sides) of another human being. There's nothing beautiful in that.
It's disheartening to see so many people encouraging a person to "sell themselves", their gender characteristics, in a personal context. (not professional, such as modelling)Any positive description of men buying women for personal use, no matter what it implies...I find it distasteful and sad, considering history and what we say we want in the present. The same goes for men in the same position. Faith, your story reminds me of some on mine too, teenage years crazy and fun moments and experiences, some really dangerous ones, looking back. But this context is far from it, so calculated on both sides. Personally, I find the opinions encouraging someone to take this path, by making everything sound light hearted, fun, exciting and a fantasy, distressing and irresponsible. EDIT: and social graffitti, a man paying a woman for her company IS a sexual favor (+ domination trick). Why not paying for a man then? They can be great company for a guy, much better, lots of entertaining refreshing guy talk. ------------------
I seem to have loved you in numberless forms... LeeLoo's Esotericorner IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted November 20, 2015 05:57 PM
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Faith, your story reminds me of some on mine too, teenage years crazy and fun moments and experiences, some really dangerous ones, looking back. But this context is far from it, so calculated on both sides. Personally, I find the opinions encouraging someone to take this path, by making everything sound light hearted, fun, exciting and a fantasy, distressing and irresponsible.
Well I said I would worry about being stalked and killed. But I don't think that what wheresthemoon is doing is immoral. With safety controls in place it reminds me of other less taboo practices. Like a guy frequenting a bar because the female bartender is hot. ETA: Thought it was clear I was just exploring the ethics of it, weighing this against that, making a social commentary. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted November 20, 2015 06:03 PM
Ahh I see...you're fighting against morality warriors. I can understand that. Not the case here though. For me it's not a question of morality, but humanity.IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted November 20, 2015 06:04 PM
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
EDIT: and social graffitti, a man paying a woman for her company IS a sexual favor 9+ domination trick). Why not paying for a man then? They can be great company for a guy, much better, lots of entertaining refreshing guy talk.
Why must it ALWAYS be a "sexual favor" if it involves a woman? Isn't that degrading to both men and women? To insist we are incapable of anything else? IP: Logged |
Sunnya
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posted November 20, 2015 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
Humans twist truths up and think they are correct in everything without first giving proper discernment to the matter or going into their heart for answers.
Yup. That's exactly what you are doing here Athene.
And like it or not you are here with all of us at the moment, so you are part of the human race too. We are all awakening, so you too will see what is truth or not when you are ready. Also, no one is trying to excuse the OP, because she doesn't need one.
It's her life and only her can decide what's right or wrong on it if she wants. We can discuss the topic, we can agree or disagree with the OP and we can give our opinions but we should do it respectfully. @wheresthemoon sorry for the off topic on my posts. This is my last comment about this, I will refrain from derailing further the thread. Hugs! IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted November 20, 2015 06:08 PM
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Originally posted by Faith:
Why must it ALWAYS be a "sexual favor" if it involves a woman?Isn't that degrading to both men and women? To insist we are incapable of anything else?
I see what you mean. But why did a man buy the services of a geisha? What did he feel, think and what did he want? It's a sexual favor because it's gender oriented, because of what an interaction with a geisha implies and the whole culture around it. And because of the answer to the questions above. The same applies to women buying men too. This specific escort service request is focused on the person being a man, usually with some specific male features/behavior and not on his quality as a human being. When this happens, when someone feels like buying another person, it's ether for sex or power over the other. It doesn't come from another place, of beauty and grace. (look, I did a haiku  IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted November 20, 2015 06:24 PM
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I see what you mean. But why did a man buy the services of a geisha? What did he feel, think and what did he want?It's a sexual favor because it's gender oriented, because of what an interaction with a geisha implies and the whole culture around it. And because of the answer to the questions above.
No I think it's beyond that. I think it shows the geisha's power and mystique...she creates an aura that he pays for access to. It's a personal performing art. Women have so much more to offer with our company than just the plain act of sex. Don't we girls? I think I heard applause somewhere out there.  We're used to consulting with and hiring people based on their expertise in this or that area (typical career divisions); is it so bad to hire someone more for who they are in totality (beautiful, interesting, appealing) or the dream they are conjuring up (geisha)? Again, not saying, let's all go out and do this. Just exploring theories and cultural norms. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted November 20, 2015 06:42 PM
I think you have lots of fantasies involving payment just kidding!  actually, I never make this kind of confessions here, but it's late and work is boring, I have this fantasy too and played with it simulation, not the real thing.Striptease is a performing erotic art too, and I love it! But the dark side of geisha (woman as object, patriarchy, domination, fake personal interactions) still exists, and so is the dark side of striptease and everything I mentioned, especially when confronted with a real life situation such as this, romanticizing here is like walking on a high altitude string. IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted November 20, 2015 06:51 PM
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
actually, I never make this kind of confessions here
AND NOW IT'S TOO LATE. MUAHAHAHA! IP: Logged |
12muddy
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posted November 20, 2015 06:56 PM
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Too sad.
It is very sad. What make it sadder is the many surrounding issues, which either directly or indirectly make it worse. It was hard to get others to help, because the moment we tried to talk about it, most immediately assumed that those people "could have tried better" and that they were in that state because they were lazy or wanting an easy life, hence not "deserving" of help. Cultural factor plays a big part. And going "against" it is like trying to crawl up a slippery slope. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted November 20, 2015 06:58 PM
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
AND NOW IT'S TOO LATE. MUAHAHAHA!
Venus exactly! biting nails now (kidding!!) IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted November 20, 2015 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Venus exactly! biting nails now (kidding!!)
You know what you should do? Draw some cards re:geishas. It's as objective perspective as any... Divination tool. IP: Logged |
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