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wheresthemoon
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posted November 18, 2015 11:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheresthemoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm a little hesitant to post this because, well...its kind of a weird subject. Taboo. Strange. A little "wtf." But I have tPluto square natal Sun, transit Uranus conjunct natal Sun, and pMoon in Scorpio. So needless to say I am not all that put off by the strange and unusual at the moment.

A few months ago a friend suggested I get on one of these websites where you can basically find a "sugar daddy." You go on dates with them and they spoil you and give you money. Some of them expect "intimacy" (to keep it G) but some of them just want someone to spend time with.

I've gotten a lot of offers. Some very generous. But the whole thing just seemed too weird to me until probably last week when someone offered me a dollar amount to meet them and I took it.

We met and he spoiled me the whole time. Took me to a nice restaurant, took me shopping, and gave me the promised money. The whole thing just seems surreal...that someone would give me money just to spend time with them. And that's truly all it was, other than a small kiss. He wants to have an "arrangement" where we do this a few times a month.

What in the natal chart or by transit would indicate someone being willing to do this, or this happening to someone just off the top of your head? tJupiter is trine my natal Venus and sextile my natal Pluto, which stood out to me.

Please no judgment! This is just my life right now.

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wheresthemoon
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posted November 18, 2015 11:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheresthemoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nothing in my eighth house natally or by transit, but tPluto is exact with my eighth house ruler (Uranus) as of today.

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athenegoddess
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posted November 18, 2015 11:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Trust me, sooner or later he is going to expect to sleep with you. He may be acting nice right now and like he doesn't expect anything from you.. But that is what this guy is on that website for.

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CupOfDavid
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posted November 18, 2015 11:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CupOfDavid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh man, I'd kill to get paid to hang out and talk with someone. If the relationship stays platonic, I say do it; but be sure to cut ties if the arrangement ever gets weird or complicated.

The observations of your transits seem like good guesses to me. I wonder if money asteroids come into play here too.

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wheresthemoon
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posted November 18, 2015 11:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheresthemoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
Trust me, sooner or later he is going to expect to sleep with you. He may be acting nice right now and like he doesn't expect anything from you.. But that is what this guy is on that website for.

I am being smart about it! If he ends up expecting that it's done. Instant hooker, just add sex. No thank you.

I'm just waiting to see how it plays out and enjoying myself in the meantime.

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posted November 18, 2015 11:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheresthemoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by CupOfDavid:
Oh man, I'd kill to get paid to hang out and talk with someone. If the relationship stays platonic, I say do it; but be sure to cut ties if the arrangement ever gets weird or complicated.

The observations of your transits seem like good guesses to me. I wonder if money asteroids come into play here too.


Yeah it's a pretty sweet deal so far!

What do you think about natal placements/aspects?

And what asteroids would be "money"' asteroids?

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posted November 18, 2015 11:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You do know what 'arrangement' means right? It means you trade sex for money.

You also must know 'sugar daddy' means a man who gives money to a woman for sex.

You also must know a man doesn't go spending money on a woman for nothing in return.

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posted November 18, 2015 11:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheresthemoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
You do know what 'arrangement' means right? It means you trade sex for money.

This seems like judgment to me. I am not naive, I have done my research. And no that is not always the case. Some people are in arrangements long term that are platonic. It is whatever the two involved want it to be.

Some of these people are just lonely.

Now I'm in defense mode, but I don't need to defend my decisions. My final word on this is that I am not and will not trade sex for money. He may expect it, that does not mean he will get it. Period.

This question was astrological.

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athenegoddess
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posted November 18, 2015 11:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
An arrangement means you offer him something and he offers you money for it. And he doesn't mean just spending time with him and talking.

Why don't you ask him and find out for yourself. Ask if its okay if you never sleep with him but you continue to meet twice a month to take you shopping.

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posted November 18, 2015 11:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CupOfDavid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, if you continue with the arrangement, have something with you to protect yourself, just in case things go awry.

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Originally posted by wheresthemoon:
Yeah it's a pretty sweet deal so far!

What do you think about natal placements/aspects?

And what asteroids would be "money"' asteroids?



Gabby made a list of money asteroids in this thread: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/003039.html

As for the natal, maybe Venus in Capricorn or the second house. Do you have either of those?

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wheresthemoon
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posted November 19, 2015 12:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheresthemoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by CupOfDavid:
Also, if you continue with the arrangement, have something with you to protect yourself, just in case things go awry.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by wheresthemoon:
[b] Yeah it's a pretty sweet deal so far!

What do you think about natal placements/aspects?

And what asteroids would be "money"' asteroids?



Gabby made a list of money asteroids in this thread: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/003039.html

As for the natal, maybe Venus in Capricorn or the second house. Do you have either of those?[/B][/QUOTE]

Nope, Venus in Taurus, 11H. Capricorn Decan though!

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posted November 19, 2015 12:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CupOfDavid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by wheresthemoon:
Nope, Venus in Taurus, 11H.

Taurus rules the second house! And the eleventh house is friends!

I'm no expert, but I'd like to think that placement is in effect here.

Edit: And Uranus rules the eleventh house, which is active in your chart right now!

(Sorry, I'm getting excited.)

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posted November 19, 2015 12:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by wheresthemoon:
This seems like judgment to me. I am not naive, I have done my research. And no that is not always the case. Some people are in arrangements long term that are platonic. It is whatever the two involved want it to be.

Some of these people are just lonely.

Now I'm in defense mode, but I don't need to defend my decisions. My final word on this is that I am not and will not trade sex for money. He may expect it, that does not mean he will get it. Period.

This question was astrological.



Why do you want to take advantage of someone who is lonely?

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wheresthemoon
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posted November 19, 2015 12:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheresthemoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by CupOfDavid:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by wheresthemoon:
[b] Nope, Venus in Taurus, 11H.


Taurus rules the second house! And the eleventh house is friends!

I'm no expert, but I'd like to think that placement is in effect here.

Edit: And Uranus rules the eleventh house, which is active in your chart right now!

(Sorry, I'm getting excited.)

[/B][/QUOTE]

Haha!😂 thanks for all the input! Great observations.

Can't believe I didn't think of Taurus being linked to the second house. "Derrr" moment!

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posted November 19, 2015 12:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheresthemoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by athenegoddess:

Why do you want to take advantage of someone who is lonely?

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"Please no judgment." Remember that?

Please stay on topic or don't comment. So far you haven't offered something even resembling an answer to my actual question.

But to answer your question (not because I owe you an explanation but because I like Lindaland and I know people will automatically side with you since you're an avid poster) 1) he is fully aware of what he is doing 2) I am a single mother with a full time job and a baby to take care of and no child support.

Aside from that I like him as a person. I enjoyed spending time with him. He is no charity case.

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posted November 19, 2015 12:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You already answered your own question.

Transit Pluto square Sun... crises of identity and Transit Uranus square Sun not understanding yourself and true values at the moment.

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wheresthemoon
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posted November 19, 2015 12:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheresthemoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
You already answered your own question.

Transit Pluto square Sun... crises of identity and Transit Uranus square Sun not understanding yourself and true values at the moment.


Ok.

This has been going on for about a year though. I feel there is more to it than that.

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Odette
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posted November 19, 2015 01:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know about sugar daddy...but "sugar mommy" goes to the Taurus Moon male.

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posted November 19, 2015 02:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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A few months ago a friend suggested I get on one of these websites where you can basically find a "sugar daddy." You go on dates with them and they spoil you and give you money.

Don't mention this to any Taurus Moon men in your life... unless you want to sit through an extensive lecture on sexism and how crazy feminists are lol

They will be so outraged - that there is no male equivalent to this website - that they will proactively try to take it down

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posted November 19, 2015 02:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for starxd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay. I just had to start skimming at some point because it seemed like a lot of heat was coming up for no reason. Facts are just facts. No judgment. Ready?

It's called grooming. Being that you're on an "arrangement" website, nothing about this grooming is shady. In real life, it feels kinda shady. Basically, grooming is the courting stage of a sugar daddy type relationship. It's not a "hooker" situation. It's a man looking for companionship with a young woman who wouldn't look at him twice, save for his money. Both parties know this. So, no biggie.

But don't be silly. Unless he's Quasimodo, he doesn't need to pay someone for a platonic friendship. And if he wanted love, he'd go to matchmaker or a legit dating site. He will definitely expect intimacy eventually. He may make moves or be agressive. He may be the perfect gentleman and wait for you. For like 6 months max. After that, you'll just stop hearing from him.

I've been groomed before in a real life context. When the chickens came home to roost, he just really dialed back on his friendship with me... And found a young woman who was willing.

Do you. Just don't be naive. Nothing's free, bebe. You better look like a supermodel if you think so. Real talk. That is the only time a man will indiscriminately spend money on a woman just so he can hang out with her.

You said Pluto is currently conjunct your 8H ruler, Uranus of all places. Uranus is dramaville. 8H is house of "other people's money"... and sex. Look, you made some comment about people judging you and not answering your astrological question. A lot of astrology is psychology when you're done with the math and astronomy part. People were responding in kind. Just curious. What does your natal look like? Cos it really seems like you're looking to the universe for approval of something you are essentially uncomfortable with. Even if you won't admit. Frankly, the only reason why I'm responding like this is because your inevitable epiphany could just be disappointment or a huge, huge disaster waiting to happen.

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posted November 19, 2015 02:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for socialgraffiti     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Men on these websites know very well what they are getting into. They are probably successful business men who have work preoccupying their life, and don't prioritize going out on dates or their social life.

To them, these websites are a more efficient, less resource-consuming, and less emotionally-involved equivalent of a romantic life.

I think Uranus/Sun conjunction plays a very big role. Creating a new identity, trying out new things, breaking out of your previous persona. I would be cautious with Pluto squaring the Sun- for women this tends to manifest as power struggles with men. They may downplay their own capabilities, and a man might see that as a weakness, trying to take advantage of them. So be careful!

You mentioned earlier your Venus was in Taurus: this means that Jupiter in Virgo (Taurus decan) has made a lovely trine to your Venus in the Capricorn decan, indicating a better social life and an increase in wealth.

I would look to aspects to your second house ruler- either by transit or by progression. Conjunctions or trines by Venus (love), Jupiter (luck), or Uranus (sudden gains) could all be likely. I would also take a look at progressed Venus and Jupiter.

Good luck and stay safe~

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posted November 19, 2015 02:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for missblyss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

girl, you go! <3 I'd do it. Nothing wrong with it, it's an energetic exchange. You can stop whenever it no longer serves you/ you get uncomfortable! .. what a cool test in boundaries. let the negativity roll off, people's reactions are THEIRS, nothing to do with you <3

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posted November 19, 2015 03:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for starxd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can only stress what socialgraffiti and missbliss have said: be careful.

Like it was already said, this dude knows exactly what he signed up for. It was not to be Santa Claus. And it's less "emotionally involved" than actual dating. He's not the one who could be taken advantage of. He might see you as a "struggling, single mom." Whether you are or not. Find out his DOB deets if you can.

I'm not being dramatic. I'm not trying to rain on your parade. This kind of thing works for some people. But. I'm sorry. It sounds like you're trying to convince yourself. That's a red flag. This could all turn out fine. But - I have natal Sun square Pluto too. I know it from it's worst manifestations to the better ones. You've only given info on the transits that seem to confirm what you want to believe. As another woman, I can't in good conscience only tell you what you want to hear when safety is involved. Anybody doing so watches too much television.

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posted November 19, 2015 03:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
People are so uptight.
Yeah, maybe he wants sex, but if she doens't want it, guess what? She can turn it down.

I wish all the luck in the world, I know a lot of girls that are sugar babies. I would absolutely do it too!

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posted November 19, 2015 03:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for starxd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lsa, it's not sex that's a big deal. It's walking into a situation without being realistic of all the ways it could go. She can TRY to turn down sex, if she wants to. If all goes well, he'd accept that. If all goes well.

ETA: Wheresthemoon, maybe you should take it all with a grain of salt. Because the posters encouraging you seem to be living a fantasy through you. I write what I write from actual experience. Not hearsay and soap opera delusion. The women who have the safest, most satisfying time in these relationships are very sexual and all about it. It works for them. You have indicated that such an arrangement does not work for you.

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