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Topic: The Capricorn Man: Does it ever stop being about them?
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Moonbeth Knowflake Posts: 370 From: Registered: Jul 2019
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posted October 09, 2019 01:02 PM
@GalacticCoreExplosion @hypatia I'll get back to you loves properly as soon as I can (have a lot of work these days so I'm not as thorough or regular as I'd wish with this site) In the meantime, Galactic Core you can see my chart here (also, it may be better if you see it before I reply and explain some things to you from the post above [IMG]https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/a529/MoonBeth/0/6106acb5-1ee2-41e4-9070-4333387c5e39- original.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds[/IMG] it's probably very messy, I'll try to generate a cleaner version for you later if you need to, you'll let me know if there are specific things you want added. Please do comment on anything BUT abuse. I admire how educated you are (see my introduction post to get where I'm from with astrology http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum23/HTML/000643.html ) and so will appreciate to read anything my chart suggests for you, but since I've learnt about myself around here I have no tolerance for chart based predictions of abuse, I think it's safe to say I'd rather not read about that. I've been a victim enough to not stand being called or painted as one any longer, not that I think you'd do that, someone who writes such things as " There are no true, hard and fast boundaries and separation. This deeper spiritual truth has implications for astrological practice and understanding." sounds REALLY good to me, but just in case  I also have that other post to properly answer, you and Graham, thanks so much, I'll be back as soon as I can  Hypatia, why do every time I write to you or read you now I feel like a big fat fluffy Cheshire cat rubbing its back and purring between your calves while you read?  IP: Logged |
GalacticCoreExplosion Knowflake Posts: 421 From: Somewhere Registered: Sep 2019
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posted October 09, 2019 01:29 PM
Your chart image link isn't working for me MoonBeth. I usually only comment on charts when I feel intuitively nudged to. I rarely ever say anything deliberately abusive, mean, or hurtful to anyone (well, very occasionally to my partner when she has really pushed my buttons), though I very occasionally have spoken to shadow traits or patterns for the purposes of conscious awareness. But I try to do it in a gentle way. With a combo of Leo Rising, strong Sun, strong Neptune, strong Venus and Libra, Pisces S. Node in the 7th, and moderate Moon, I have a very big and open heart (too much so sometimes). IP: Logged |
Moonbeth Knowflake Posts: 370 From: Registered: Jul 2019
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posted October 09, 2019 01:33 PM
quote: Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion: Your chart image link isn't working for me MoonBeth. I usually only comment on charts when I feel intuitively nudged to. I rarely ever say anything deliberately abusive, mean, or hurtful to anyone (well, very occasionally to my partner when she has really pushed my buttons), though I very occasionally have spoken to shadow traits or patterns for the purposes of conscious awareness. But I try to do it in a gentle way. With a combo of Leo Rising, strong Sun, strong Neptune, strong Venus and Libra, Pisces S. Node in the 7th, and moderate Moon, I have a very big and open heart (too much so sometimes).
Does this work? (links are acting up...) http://hosting.photobucket.com/images/a529/MoonBeth/0/6106acb5-1ee2-41e4-9070-4333387c5e39-original.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds Will explain better the "abusive disclaimer"  IP: Logged |
GalacticCoreExplosion Knowflake Posts: 421 From: Somewhere Registered: Sep 2019
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posted October 09, 2019 01:40 PM
Yup, this latter one works.IP: Logged |
GalacticCoreExplosion Knowflake Posts: 421 From: Somewhere Registered: Sep 2019
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posted October 09, 2019 01:53 PM
quote: Originally posted by Moonbeth: Does this work? (links are acting up...) Will explain better the "abusive disclaimer" 
I can see some of it in your chart. Traditional, faster moving ruler of your 7th, Saturn, conjunct Pluto, and the ruler of your 5th, Jupiter, in Scorpio sandwiched between Pluto on one side and Mars on the other (maybe conjunct the mid point of these?). And then Venus square Mars and inconjunct Moon. We have a pretty interesting chart comparison btw. Some strong and close conjunctions and oppositions between sensitive and/or personal points. I'll create a link for my chart at some point in the near future and share it, but to name a few off hand, your Moon is almost right on my Sun, the ruler of your Sun, Mercury is almost right on my Moon, your Venus is closely opposted my Venus in my 1st and conjunct my Ascendant and my Venus opposed your Ascendant, your Mars is in my 4th conjunct my IC and Uranus and square my Venus, your Sun is pretty close to my Jupiter and conjunct my North Node, and your South Node is quite close to my Mercury (which is sensitive because of the 4 Virgo placements; N. Node, Jupiter, Mars, and Saturn). IP: Logged |
Moonbeth Knowflake Posts: 370 From: Registered: Jul 2019
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posted October 09, 2019 02:05 PM
quote: Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion: I can see some of it in your chart. Traditional, faster moving ruler of your 7th, Saturn, conjunct Pluto, and the ruler of your 5th, Jupiter, in Scorpio sandwiched between Pluto on one side and Mars on the other (maybe conjunct the mid point of these?). And then Venus square Mars and inconjunct Moon. We have a pretty interesting chart comparison btw. Some strong and close conjunctions and oppositions between sensitive and/or personal points. ...
I'll dig into all this when work lets me breathe, sounds like an interesting composite indeed Here is when I realised one serious limit I have, I've explained myself the best I could in the last post about what bothers me in terms of "abusive reading", I wouldn't be able to explain better now (brain fog and loads of work isn't a relaxed combo ) http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/009330.html I tend to see my Saturn conjunct Pluto as a private Terminator, how on earth could it bring abuse? lol (don't get me wrong, it's highly challenging, but it's also sort of useful), same for venus/mars, as far as I'm concerned, social I'm venus, private I'm mars, it sucks if the partner is a social butterfly, but with venus in the 12th I tend to stick to reserved, or at least as insanely private as I am types how does that combo do abuse? I thought it mostly frustrated romantic and sexual drives (which it does, in ways) IP: Logged |
GalacticCoreExplosion Knowflake Posts: 421 From: Somewhere Registered: Sep 2019
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posted October 09, 2019 02:47 PM
I can see now (after reading that link) that you meant abusive in a different way and relationship type context. Originally I was more assuming romantic/partner type connotation. That pattern of indications outlined earlier, would suggest that romantically at times you're attracted to/attract/become involved with some darker and less healthy types. But I didn't do a thorough analysis. Though, I suppose for women or strongly Yin polarized people, Venus Mars square is easier, because it's Mars that becomes the receptive/attracting symbol, vs a male or strongly Yang polarized person with Venus Mars square where Venus becomes the receptive/attracting symbol? Dunno, first time I've thought about it like this. IP: Logged |
GalacticCoreExplosion Knowflake Posts: 421 From: Somewhere Registered: Sep 2019
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posted October 09, 2019 02:50 PM
I feel bad for MoonsofJupiter. We've really jumped the shark on her thread here. Maybe we should start a separate thread so as not to clutter up her thread with all this randomness and thread drift? IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 12329 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted October 09, 2019 02:59 PM
quote: Originally posted by Moonbeth:
Hypatia, why do every time I write to you or read you now I feel like a big fat fluffy Cheshire cat rubbing its back and purring between your calves while you read? 
Awwwwww I like you too, I like what you project, you project this kind grounded wise and strong presence..... Its interesting the image that pops for you connected to me! that feels like a blend of my moon in pisces, Venus conjunct Mars in Leo and sun in Virgo with Sag rising and Jupiter conjunct Uranus ruling my chart lol...like playful, laidback/chill but confident, trippy, affectionate and intellectual...but like a maverick and maybe a little mischevious. Maybe you see me as someone fun, playful, affectionate but eccentric with a mischevious side? And a little crazy but in a good fun way hahaha "The Cheshire Cat is famous for its ability to appear and disappear at will and for its enormous grin. In fact, sometimes the entire Cat disappears, leaving only the grin behind. The most important thing the Cat does is tell Alice that everyone in Wonderland is crazy – even her." Hahahahaha For as long as I can remember I very periodically jokingly make comments were I end up calling myself crazy while I have a grin on my face and or laugh at myself. Our quirks make us interesting  My favorite uncle said this phrase a lot in Spanish "hay locos de todo tipos." Hard to translate but something like "there are all kinds of crazy." He had sun in Saggitarius. IP: Logged |
Moonbeth Knowflake Posts: 370 From: Registered: Jul 2019
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posted October 09, 2019 03:08 PM
quote: Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion: I feel bad for MoonsofJupiter. We've really jumped the shark on her thread here. Maybe we should start a separate thread so as not to clutter up her thread with all this randomness and thread drift?
We may move to my introduction post (that's where I move my off-topic conversations lol) or you can open a new topic, whichever you prefer  (and nope, that was the context there and exactly what drove me ape: how on earth can one tell someone they're attracted to unhealthy abusive relationships? this is a profoundly multifaceted thing and a terribly abusive thing to say. Why not tell beaten women they had it coming while we're at it? It takes 2 to tango and one isn't just their charts, something so deep as abuse isn't just charts. Also, pretty sure if we tried to define healthy in that context, we'd miserably fail, which cements the idea that it's tosh to tell someone. Healthy is subjective, we're all bonkers what is healthy for one is suicide for the other, telling someone they seek/want/are attracted to/gravitate towards... what's bad for them is basically stripping them of their free will, condemning them to hurt over and over in the realm of relationships, like helpless junkies. It's a highly destructive thought process for a former abused child to have grown ups tell her she likes abusive men.) IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 12329 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted October 09, 2019 03:10 PM
I totally want that poster now! Its freaking perfect! Love it.IP: Logged |
Moonbeth Knowflake Posts: 370 From: Registered: Jul 2019
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posted October 09, 2019 03:25 PM
quote: Originally posted by hypatia238: I totally want that poster now! Its freaking perfect! Love it.
Awww Hypatia, the fuzzies are all over the place! I might very well project what I aspire to, I'm a lot more "approximate" in real life, I tend to try and weigh my words on the net I see you as a ridiculously gorgeous woman who exudes knowledge and wisdom and is gentle while strong  With you I always have this impression that you could hit and tell off but have the intelligence to educate rather than resent people who know less... and I decidedly feel that crazy is FINE around you which is very soothing for me That's probably where the cat image comes from, a fat cat is a very relaxed cat, they usually never sleep with both eyes closed so a cat who indulges in a little extra weight probably feels safe enough to reduce its physical killing machine features lol And again, I do love that Sag energy, can be a chore in +20 men (punctuating every one of their opinions with "that's the truth" lol) and the Virgo /Leo blend is home so... I absolutely adore that image, it's going to be my new wallpaper  O my, I do remember the floating smile an d the disappeared cat!!!! *fuzzies* !!!!! IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 12329 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted October 11, 2019 01:06 AM
Good idea, I made it my wallpaper too. Have had the moon as my wallpaper for a long time, time to change it. This has a nocturnal vibe too but in a more trippy fun way.I was telling my partner I want to get that poster and he was like "why not just get a poster of the starry night?" And I was like bc is cooler lol. I mean starry night meets Alice in Wonderland! Sounds magical, sounds like a real trip , two worlds filled with imagination and creativity intermingling, wouldn't mind going there if it was a destination. Maybe I should get both... IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 12329 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted October 11, 2019 01:14 AM
quote: Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion: Well now you got me quite curious! Show me yours and I'll show you mine? (Actually, I probably shouldn't go into mine in public).
EGYPTIAN PAST LIFE DREAM: I had a very vivid past life Egyptian dream years ago and I was royalty or something along those lines. I was a woman and I was been carried by servants in a sort of litter but not like what you see in wikipedia as those look more sophisticated, the one in my dream was different and made of natural materials. I was going to visit my lover, it felt like it was a weekly routine in the dream. Once I was in the room with him I was observing everything from a third person perspective from the top corner, my spirit was floating it seemed while observing. We had sex. I couldn't be with this person and we were discussing running away before I left, by then I was near the door. The dream ended in my hometown, I was with a multitude of people in a crowd at a cross road waiting for an elephant to pass by.
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hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 12329 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted October 11, 2019 01:17 AM
Something like this.... IP: Logged |
Moonbeth Knowflake Posts: 370 From: Registered: Jul 2019
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posted October 11, 2019 04:24 PM
quote: Originally posted by hypatia238: Good idea, I made it my wallpaper too. Have had the moon as my wallpaper for a long time, time to change it. This has a nocturnal vibe too but in a more trippy fun way.I was telling my partner I want to get that poster and he was like "why not just get a poster of the starry night?" And I was like bc is cooler lol. I mean starry night meets Alice in Wonderland! Sounds magical, sounds like a real trip , two worlds filled with imagination and creativity intermingling, wouldn't mind going there if it was a destination. Maybe I should get both...
I had had a black hole as a wallpaper for years lol I was being meta with that one Then it was a pretty sparkly rainbow (look no further than a 5th house moon ). I love the cat and it does have a starry night vibe, you could make your own collage and have both, as one  IP: Logged |
MoonsOfJupiter Knowflake Posts: 37 From: Registered: Jun 2015
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posted October 13, 2019 10:27 AM
Don't feel bad y'all, I am all down for this thread to be hijacked by this wonderfully insightful banter. IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 12329 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted October 13, 2019 10:53 AM
quote: Originally posted by MoonsOfJupiter: Don't feel bad y'all, I am all down for this thread to be hijacked by this wonderfully insightful banter.
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hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 12329 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted October 13, 2019 11:17 AM
Interesting enough something I have noticed about a significant portion of cappies is that they like fantasizing about not having to work... this has come to a surprise for me but even if they are good at what they do and responsible they say things like "life should be a permanent vacation." But it seems to play out more with cappies who don't have kids. IP: Logged |
Moonbeth Knowflake Posts: 370 From: Registered: Jul 2019
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posted October 13, 2019 12:08 PM
Haha Moons, you're the loveliest thread host  Hypatia, so true! I think the "work hard play harder" thing suits Cappies so well, and also as hard working as they are, they are attuned to slow winter earth rhythms, so they do enjoy their down time, when they feel they've earned it  IP: Logged |
MMarie Knowflake Posts: 726 From: Registered: Aug 2018
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posted October 13, 2019 03:57 PM
I just looked and also have Horus conjunct sun exact and am now reading up on Horus! IP: Logged |
MoonsOfJupiter Knowflake Posts: 37 From: Registered: Jun 2015
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posted October 14, 2019 05:48 AM
Learning it's a damn crapshoot with these Capricorn men. About the 'vacation life' @hypathia and @moonbeth- holy crap, there IS that element, manifesting in a social climb towards being a 'kept man' in some way. An entitlement to the good life. Did I mention I pay for most things when we go out? Gulp. I'm realizing this is somewhat of a 'trauma bond' with him, with an element of covert narcissism on the side. And in reading what y'all were saying about Friends with Benefits, that is a whole lot more honest and sense-making then whatever the flip is going on here. As another update: I've been consciously distancing myself in order to move on. It's working (I think?). Just a damn shame, a year and a half of my heart - gone - for a that 6'2" manchild Lana Del Rey sings about in Norman F***ing Rockwell. IP: Logged |
Moonbeth Knowflake Posts: 370 From: Registered: Jul 2019
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posted October 14, 2019 02:44 PM
quote: Originally posted by MoonsOfJupiter: Learning it's a damn crapshoot with these Capricorn men. About the 'vacation life' @hypathia and @moonbeth- holy crap, there IS that element, manifesting in a social climb towards being a 'kept man' in some way. An entitlement to the good life. Did I mention I pay for most things when we go out? Gulp. I'm realizing this is somewhat of a 'trauma bond' with him, with an element of covert narcissism on the side. And in reading what y'all were saying about Friends with Benefits, that is a whole lot more honest and sense-making then whatever the flip is going on here. As another update: I've been consciously distancing myself in order to move on. It's working (I think?). Just a damn shame, a year and a half of my heart - gone - for a that 6'2" manchild Lana Del Rey sings about in Norman F***ing Rockwell.
O Moons, so much of what you say echoes with Liz Greene's love portrait of the Capricorn man. I do think she's right in that it's a lot of shades of grey about what side of the same coin you see with that sign and how brilliant or terrible he can be as a partner... Anyway, it won't be a lost year, it will be a year when you experienced some of your limitations and defined what you want and need in a better way
"The Capricorn man
Meet this man while he's still in his twenties and you won't see the real Capricorn. When young he may seem unsettled and unsure of his direction. Or he'll appear to have given up and saddled himself with an unpromising future in some job he dislikes. But stick with him, or meet him later, and you'll see the Goat in true form. He'll always have a goal he's working toward, and his way of showing love is to share that goal with you. And his expectations in love are that you do everything in your power to help him achieve his goal. Capricorn men tend, on the whole, to belong to a more traditional school. Once again, you might not see this in the early part of his life. But because of his emotional complexity and inhibitions, and because security means a lot to him, he'll usually look for a stable, solid relationship which can give structure to his personal life. Some Capricorn men want very badly to have sons. They have a strong sense of what masculine dignity and pride are about. If you want a Capricorn man to consider your opinions, you need to be a diplomat. He respects diplomacy as well as strength. What he doesn't like is rebellion. You'll often see a fatherly quality in the Capricorn man. He can be wonderfully protective and supportive, and is usually the kind of man who, when he says, "Don't worry, I'll take care of it," really does. He can be a pillar of strength and a source of wisdom and help. The problem is that you may only get all these goodies if you're prepared to be helpless and in need of support. Many Capricorn men dislike capable partners because it takes away their need to be the strong figure in a relationship. Sometimes you see this reversed, however. The Capricorn man who hasn't come to terms with his need for structure and authority may behave like an adolescent still rebelling against his father. Then he may look for paternal qualities in a partner, letting his loved one make all the important decisions. But usually these Capricorns have been badly hurt in childhood, and want to stay children. More often, the Capricorn man is usually only too happy to play the strong, capable role. It's just sometimes hard for him to share it. His career naturally comes first. That means that if his firm moves him from London to Middle Wallop, you smile cheerfully and learn to like Middle Wallop. If you have ambitions of your own, you're expected to adjust them to his. Either you accept this with grace and joy, or you assert your independence and maintain a relationship with your Capricorn that isn't very close. That usually means a sexual relationship without any commitment. He's not going to commit himself unless he knows that you're prepared to commit yourself to both him and his goals. This man may be the perfect partner for some, and a walking disaster for others. It depends on your own needs and nature. You can't dominate a Capricorn man, except by the most devious emotional blackmail - and he'll always spot that in the end and despise you for it. You can't make yourself more important to him than his inner convictions and commitments. The Capricorn man usually knows what he wants. If it's you, he'll be pretty tenacious about getting you to surrender, and he rarely deviates once he's decided. You can either love and respect him, or leave him alone. It's almost impossible to change a Capricorn man, since his business in life is to change both himself and the world. And nobody can do it for him."
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GalacticCoreExplosion Knowflake Posts: 421 From: Somewhere Registered: Sep 2019
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posted October 14, 2019 03:52 PM
Interesting dream hypatia238, thank you for sharing it. When you say "hometown" did you mean in this, or in the past life? IP: Logged |
MoonsOfJupiter Knowflake Posts: 37 From: Registered: Jun 2015
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posted October 14, 2019 08:44 PM
@moonbeth - thanks for reposting the Goat man chronicles.I did read it, many times. It's a heartbreak chapter, to be honest. Reasons: a) I wanted to be what he wanted, and it seems I that am not. b) Walking around with this vague, illogical sense of having let him down just by being human. c) Shame that one should expect to be 'less capable' to be what he wants. I can't do that. d) More disturbingly, if anyone is familiar with the idealization / devaluation / discard cycle from narcissistic personalities (covert or overt). It feels, curiously, like this is what this is. Also, he is 33. Thank God my mind is strong, because my heart is a damn sad pile of warm s**t. Now we wait for it to catch up.
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