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GalacticCoreExplosion
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posted October 26, 2019 10:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MoonsOfJupiter:
Thank you and ok, I will be adding this to my morning "requests". Currently they've been about what NOT to send me anymore (33-year-old toddlers). I will switch this up. Thank you, GalacticCore, you are like a wise Creative Force yourself on here.

It's worth a try!

Tanks Luv.

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posted October 26, 2019 10:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonsOfJupiter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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OMG the more you talk about him, he sounds nothing like my friend! I am glad you are distancing yourself from him! He sounds like too much work and drama.

Ugh. So glad there are no parallels. I like hearing about some more positive Capricorn men walking this earth, after this experience. Even other confusing and weirdly platonic asexual ones. I wish they came with an instruction manual (although I bet if you opened it up, it would just say "no idea, figure it out").

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My friend has sun in cappy and moon/venus/uranus conjunct all in scorpio and mars in Capricorn and libra rising. He is a great guy and I care for him a lot but I will not be hanging out with him, maybe once or twice a year, I need to keep it light.


Nice and watery, huh. Libra for balance, no pun intended. Assuming if you hung with him more than that, feelings of complication on your end would resurface? How is your contact outside the twice a year "gatherings"? Do you randomly text about stuff? Did you ever fully talk about your feelings with him, lay it all out on the table? My weirdo Goat is still in regular contact constantly, although we no longer hang in person. I try to maintain more and more distance. Just curious.

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posted October 26, 2019 10:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonsOfJupiter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by teasel:
Yeah, I reconnected with the Taurus (reluctantly at first) that I mentioned here in your thread. It was okay at first, but once he started to feel better, and decided that he had his faith back? (He became heavily religious, sometime over the past seven to eight years). I realized we were too different to be involved as anything more than friends - we were even more different than before. He was pushing a bit to be involved romantically, and once he realized that wasn't going to happen, I was suddenly a bad person, arrogant to think that I am a good person (usually). And it went on from there. I wasn't good enough to know, because I wasn't filled with the light of Jesus Christ. He just went off the deep end with it.

I was fine at first - I expected something, but I was still thinking, "Why??" Just... it was the same old thing: once he felt better (once I'd cheered him up), he had no use for me anymore. I'm not who I was a decade ago. I don't put up with as much as I used to. I was fine at first, and then it started to get to me: he couldn't just say, like me, that we were too different. He made it my fault. Put it on my shoulders. I am so damned sick of that, from him, from my sister, from others. I've just had it. At least it didn't last nearly as long as it did in the past.


Holy crap, is this recent? And how is the contact now?
The religion thing definitely adds a layer of complication, because it's a fundamental difference in relating to your world and your environment, so that in itself can show you a path forward and away from each other BUT! - They maintain (and you maintain) the chord of attachment that you have with the whole blaming and projecting BS that's going on, and that's the **** that messes with your head.

It SUCKS when you feel like you somehow let them down (i.e. your fault) when you didn't and it wasn't.

But seems so easy to blame yourself for what they ultimately projected onto you in order to protect themselves from you.

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posted October 26, 2019 11:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MoonsOfJupiter:
Nice and watery, huh. Libra for balance, no pun intended. Assuming if you hung with him more than that, feelings of complication on your end would resurface? How is your contact outside the twice a year "gatherings"? Do you randomly text about stuff? Did you ever fully talk about your feelings with him, lay it all out on the table? My weirdo Goat is still in regular contact constantly, although we no longer hang in person. I try to maintain more and more distance. Just curious.

No we don't text all the time but he always responds to my texts and earlier this month when I texted him he was trying to hang out with me again. He knows I care about him and he said he cares about me too. He knows I wanted to be intimate with him yes, I am blunt lol. He thinks I am beautiful but has issues with intimacy. I can't be around someone I want and not act on my desire and just be friends lol. I think it does not help that I was in an open relationship for him to feel more comfortable going there with me. The first night we did almost have sex I feel but I wanted to wait but then there was this block and it never flowed again. We hanged out and texted regularly for about 2 months but then I ended it. I have venus conjunct mars in the 8th, I cant do this ambivalence in between thing. I decided to end it with him and close my marriage but we are in good terms, I don't think I can bring myself to see him again bc I feel things will pick up were they left off and we will go around in circles. I dont have any desire for that. This last two relationships changed me a lot and made me grow a lot. I don't want to chase after anything or anyone, not even an emotion, I definitely dont want to play games or waste time and energy on games. I am content with myself and what I have and am done with over valuing or needing romantic love.

Now if someone falls in my lap and slaps me in the face without me looking for anything and is one of those connections you feel you cant walk away from, maybe I would allow myself to be open to it, maybe and that is a big maybe. All these intense romantic loves I have experienced in my life were about experiencing unconditional love yes but also about learning self mastery and integrating my shadow side and the will power and strength to walk away and end things gracefully. I feel his purpose in my life was fulfilled. The question is has my purpose in his life been fulfilled? If it hasn't then we might hang out again at some point. My intuition tells me that a higher power wants him to know he is special and loved strongly and unconditionally just as he is and he wants him to feel that love this higher power has for him through me. He is not a spiritual guy like that so I am like a Messenger but I feel I fullfilled this purpose for him already.

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posted October 26, 2019 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonbeth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MoonsOfJupiter:
I am all for these gardening analogies, dude.
Currently pulling out and discarding fungal weeds, if we're gonna get metaphorical.

And I truly hope your next Cappi is an evolved, endearing old man soul who puts a Saturn ring on it, instead of a covert narcissist deep-space trash receptacle like mine.

Shears up!


That was so sweet I welled up like one of the bints on stupid shows such as "say yes to the dress"! 😂🤗😂🤗😂🤗
Glad to know, it's not just me, the gardening metaphors ARE working 😍
It's so symbolic for me right now, as I'm close to my favourite garden ever and so feeling so much LOVE just being there, if that place was a person, I'd beg it to marry me! 😊🤗😍💖🤣 (last man I got that close to said I felt like a wild nebula ...oops?)
You do need to get rid of fungal weeds to grow beautiful lasting roses, I'm pretty sure I've spotted a splendid seed myself, so endearing for sure, was just far enough a whole decision about a move had to be made and so I ran the other way, because sometimes the problem comes from the soil lol
I think the only rings to be put on me are under my eyes (says the woman working on her holidays), but yes, I mean I imagine I love men too much to entirely discard them, even after hearing about that specimen of yours 😮
Just don't associate the trash with the goat, from your description, that garbage juice leftover sounds like sone DSM IV reject with abusive tendencies and once it gets pathological like that it's not too astrological, the planets may hint at how you'll express who you are, but unless there's a GapingArsehole asteroid no one's heard of yet conjunct his sun, then the stars are no excuse for his miserable behaviour.
I share your Yanger, it sounds bloody brilliant to me (and my pluto moon 😛 that you're yangry, means you have the balls to stand back up and won't let the trap of thinking it's your fault catch you longer than it takes to chug down a thick slice of triple fudge 😉
You're amazing Moons 💖

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posted October 26, 2019 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"I share your Yanger, it sounds bloody brilliant to me (and my pluto moon 😛 that you're yangry, means you have the balls to stand back up and won't let the trap of thinking it's your fault catch you longer than it takes to chug down a thick slice of triple fudge 😉"

hahahaha Well said,God I love how you talk, how you use words and put sentences together, well essentially, I love how you express yourself!

@moonsofjupiter

In a nutshell you gave this a shot, I mean you really did and in life we all have to learn when to cut ties and it sounds like you are getting close to that point and are already in that process which is great.

I have saturn in scorpio and as someone with saturn in scorpio I am here to learn about endings, how to do endings right and end things with grace, to learn about loss and rebuilding yourself after loss, to learn about self mastery over intense emotions and desires etc..and all this I am meant to learn through relationships since saturn in scorpio conjuncts my pluto in libra and since it falls in my 10th house I also help people for a living as counselor on their journey towards self-mastery.

I wonder what you are suppose to learn from this relationship, how does it support integrating lessons involving your chart ruler or saturn? Good will come out of this, every ending for me tends to be bring a lot of growth, is that connection between loss and gains that happens with the 2nd house and 8th house stuff

You are witty and funny and strong and independent, you will be okay no matter what .

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posted October 26, 2019 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:

You are witty and funny and strong and independent, you will be okay no matter what .


+1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjNjplL6ayI

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posted October 26, 2019 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ashes2Phoenix     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Moonbeth:
I really do believe lonely and alone don't have to go hand in hand. I felt lonely as a child when I was with others because I was constantly told I was different. Being alone isn't lonely to me.

That said, I also believe it shouldn't be some bane one must heal from... it sounds very sad to me that you mention meditating as a way to cope. I cope with my illness, with the loss of loved ones... my aloneness, even my loneliness when I sometimes still experience it (rarely though), aren't things I consider I should heal from. Sure, it sometimes feel like having someone to talk to would be lovely, but all in all, spending time with myself never feels lonely. I am my best friend. My soul could have mates, but it's also happy alone It's also quite nice to feel a bit outside of things at times. When you see colleagues get all heated up in a debate because their egos get in it and you feel like witnessing the ordeal from a peaceful cloud, it's highly enjoyable lol Perspective is very soothing, distance brings a lot of calm...

I live alone but see LOTS of people at work and also outside of it, in specific settings, I feel there's balance in this for me. My voice is actually exhausted when I reach home, I wouldn't physically enjoy talking to someone after a working day
Instead of trying to find ways to cope, I would ask myself why do I feel I need to cope, why is my situation not really working for me, do you actually need a mate or do you need more alone time?


What are your placements? This sounds eerily similar to me even the way you talk about ""aloness."

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posted October 26, 2019 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ashes2Phoenix     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Moonbeth:
Does this work? (links are acting up...)
http://hosting.photobucket.com/images /a529/MoonBeth/0/6106acb5-1ee2-41e4-9070-4333387c5e39-original.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds

Will explain better the "abusive disclaimer"


Nevermind now I see it. Interesting.

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posted October 27, 2019 03:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonbeth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Nevermind now I see it. Interesting.

Can you share what you see? I never tried to relate the amount of time I spend alone to my
placements 😛

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posted October 27, 2019 04:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonbeth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
>>>>>hahahaha Well said,God I love how you talk, how you use words and put sentences together, well essentially, I love how you express yourself!

Awww thank you Hypatia 💖😍🤗
Do you think there's an explanation to that? I get that quite a lot, at work, from friends I text... I do try to pick my words and love pretty arrangements in general (Libra mercury 😋 , but I also don't bother so much and sometimes get the opposite reaction in quite a violent way, people feeling belittled by my demands towards myself in matters of communication, trying to read more than I put into my words or deciding to read me as arrogant... I would let go of the compliments in a heartbeat if that meant getting rid of the misunderstandings but it sadly doesn't work that way.
Tweak as I may in some places, it just is the way I express myself... 😳

@moonsofjupiter
I agree with Hypatia, it is so important that you gave it an honest shot, it speaks volumes about you that you went in wholeheartedly, no reaction of his can change that, only speak volumes about who he is.

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posted October 27, 2019 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
+1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjNjplL6ayI


Hell yeah!

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posted November 01, 2019 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I saw my Cappy friend yesterday, he really needs a friend right now, was thinking of dropping out of his graduate program, I am not letting him!

And I got to the core finally of his truth, he is a virgin. This beautiful creature is a virgin.

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posted November 04, 2019 06:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonsOfJupiter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moonbeth, Hypathia, GalacticCore, Ashes2: this must be the thread of sweetheart humans. Thank you for all your words.

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posted November 04, 2019 06:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonsOfJupiter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I saw my Cappy friend yesterday, he really needs a friend right now, was thinking of dropping out of his graduate program, I am not letting him!

And I got to the core finally of his truth, he is a virgin. This beautiful creature is a virgin.


Whoa. Whoa. Whoa.

OK.

Aside from how much sense that actually makes when you think about it, did it make you feel better or worse or neutral? About your whole previous attraction? Also, how'd it come up?

Did it affirm their "unicorn" status? (Which would probably re-draw me to them in some way). In another way, it'd be a relief to know that their reluctance to be with you isn't necessarily just about you...I don't know. I'd oscillate between the two. Tell me all.

Not sure if I mentioned this earlier in the thread, but it WAS a huge surprise to me that the one time my Cap and got intimate, it was "ok", but not amazing by any means, and I felt like he hadn't actually been with very many people, which is mind-blowing considering how attractive and alpha he is. Women literally lick him with their eyes when we're out together. But in bed he was...not clumsy, not bad, just...teenage-ish.

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posted November 04, 2019 11:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MoonsOfJupiter:
Whoa. Whoa. Whoa.

OK.

Aside from how much sense that actually makes when you think about it, did it make you feel better or worse or neutral? About your whole previous attraction? Also, how'd it come up?

Did it affirm their "unicorn" status? (Which would probably re-draw me to them in some way). In another way, it'd be a relief to know that their reluctance to be with you isn't necessarily just about you...I don't know. I'd oscillate between the two. Tell me all.

Not sure if I mentioned this earlier in the thread, but it WAS a huge surprise to me that the one time my Cap and got intimate, it was "ok", but not amazing by any means, and I felt like he hadn't actually been with very many people, which is mind-blowing considering how attractive and alpha he is. Women literally lick him with their eyes when we're out together. But in bed he was...not clumsy, not bad, just...teenage-ish.


I never thought it was about me, I knew it was a him thing, I am attractive, sweet and have sex appeal, how could it ever be a "me" thing? LOL.....also we had that instant chemistry connection from the start, we would keep looking at each other and smiling type of chemistry, very sweet but also a lot of sexual attraction at the same time so quite an interesting chemistry.

Knowing he is a virgin I think is sweet and I respect it, it is what it is, love him either way and it changes nothing about how I see him or feel about him, in a weird way I truly respect this about him though and I think part of the reason why I am drawn to him is because there is something that feels very pure about him lol.

When we made out back in June I thought he was a great kisser and was super happy with the sexual compatibility that generated that night. I think sex with him would be amazing lol BUT I am only doing the friend thing moving forward. He wants to hang out again this week, he said he had a great time and really enjoyed seeing me again. I am not looking for anything but I recognize he was put in my life for a reason and I think we are meant to at least be real good friends.

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posted November 04, 2019 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Holy crap, is this recent? And how is the contact now?
The religion thing definitely adds a layer of complication, because it's a fundamental difference in relating to your world and your environment, so that in itself can show you a path forward and away from each other BUT! - They maintain (and you maintain) the chord of attachment that you have with the whole blaming and projecting BS that's going on, and that's the **** that messes with your head.

It SUCKS when you feel like you somehow let them down (i.e. your fault) when you didn't and it wasn't.

But seems so easy to blame yourself for what they ultimately projected onto you in order to protect themselves from you.


It happened two months ago now. We were back in touch, and we no longer speak, because I won't put up with that anymore. I was fine with it at first, even found it amusing, since Uranus is transiting my descendant (and his Sun and Moon). I was wary, most of the time that we were in touch, waiting for it, and there it was. On that Wednesday, I told him that I hadn't opened his email from the previous Friday, because I'd been waiting for that, and wanted to enjoy my holiday weekend.

A part of me wonders if he's lurking here, because he was more interested in spiritual matters, and always showed interest when I mentioned astrology. I even sent him an article on Neptune retrograde, when we were first in touch again, he was being nice, and then jumped to the idea that I might be "the one". So, I don't know if he was annoyed that I wasn't picking up his advances, and was being careful, but he should know that if he was friend-zoned, I love my friends!

I haven't taken the blame, but it sucks that someone else did that. My sister did it to me, too. S had apologized to me in June, for the past. That was why I kept talking to him: he took some responsibility, *finally*. Only to throw that out of the window, and dump a lot of **** on me. I hadn't been rude to him, I'd been careful and didn't want to offend. So I'm over trying to do the right thing. Not really, but I feel like it at times. I'm not that upset about him, it's more like: what was the point of that? I don't think he's happy - he wasn't when we first started speaking again. But he takes things to extremes, religion is no different - and I'm not up to dealing with extremist religious people. I just don't understand why he couldn't be kind about it.

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posted November 04, 2019 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonbeth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MoonsOfJupiter:
Moonbeth, Hypathia, GalacticCore, Ashes2: this must be the thread of sweetheart humans. Thank you for all your words.

It's *your* thread 😉🤗😘

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posted November 04, 2019 11:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MoonsOfJupiter:
Moonbeth, Hypathia, GalacticCore, Ashes2: this must be the thread of sweetheart humans. Thank you for all your words.

Muahhhhhhhhhh you are a sweetheart human too

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