posted October 27, 2020 12:32 PM            

I fccking wish people would stop throwing the word Friend around. It’s disgraceful. People need to reestablish in vocabulary the term Acquaintance for size

My married friends and I have our individual and three-way chats scattered between us, either party. These are friendships.

posted October 27, 2020 01:28 PM            

As long as the people keep it platonic and open and above board, there is no problem with maintaining a friendship with said person.

The moment you allow a romantic relationship to limit your connection to the whole and to the greater Love, is the moment you're caught up in a limiting connection and paradigm. My Aqua Venus almost exactly sextile strong Sag Neptune and trine Libra Pluto, sees right through that kind of stuff, for what it is, ego manifestation.

I've known and been friends with plenty of women with no sexual part whatsoever. Some of these have felt more like sisters or the like. So what if my partner didn't particularly vibe with or like one or two of them? And same for me and her guy friends?

And from the open perspective, I have thought some of her boyfriends were jerks and told her as much, but I didn't expect her to stop seeing them just because I didn't think much of them. To do so, would be overly controlling and not based on real Love. She eventually learned, the hard way, what I said was true, and that was likely a necessary experience for her and related to either karma or deeper Soul lessons.

What's going on her with Brenda is a bit different than both of the above though. She has had a certain pattern, and it would be well for her to either avoid said pattern, or get to the root of why it happens the way it tends to.

I don't think the above is representative of most friendships among people otherwise involved.

But yes, open and clear communication with one's partner is important in all this. If your partner has a problem with a particular friend or connection, explain to them, it's platonic, I plan to keep it that way, but this connection is important to me. If you need to know where and when I am with them, sure, that's fine.

But just as we have helicopter parents, there are also helicopter partners and sometimes they have a need to learn that they should not be so controlling and directive with those that they supposedly "love". Sadly, a lot of relationships are not really based on true/higher kind of Love primarily.

posted October 27, 2020 03:52 PM            

This was my point in my post. I’m friends with men in relationships, or marriages, and absolutely nothing will ever happen between us. I’ve been hit on a few times in the past, and I didn’t appreciate it.

posted October 27, 2020 05:19 PM            

your respect is extended to your wife and her choice of friend, and hopefully the friend extends it back to you by acknowledging your own role in her life, at the very least. all conscious “friendly” of each other, correct?

I added the personal note that I happen to communicate with both married partners, but that just my quality and ability, to honor the unit in its glory. It’s by no means the rule of extension; can very well just be respect from a remote distance.

My ex wanted to introduce me to his ex-girlfriend that he was still close with. I didn’t feel obligated to do this and had no problem him going over for dinner with her; her young son even would come visit us from out of town after they moved, a weekend at a time, whom I got to know well, sweet kid, still felt connected to his mother’s ex. My reason for not wanting to meet her at the time was because in their relationship she lied and cheated on him, I personally couldn’t stomach that, no reason to force our own association.

Respect, honor and trust are paramount to relationships in general. If “married friend” doesn’t have such with their own husband or wife, question their face-values as potential “friend” in first place.

In tropical astrology, Aries Venus is in my 11th opposite Libra Jupiter in my 5th, all my relations are friendship-based. The more the merrier.

posted October 27, 2020 11:27 PM            

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@teasel, sorry I scrolled through the thread quickly, I’ll catch your comment in a moment. 🤜🏽🤛🏽

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posted October 28, 2020 03:46 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
You're welcome Brenda.

It would likely be helpful to go within and ask guidance about it more specifically.

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posted October 28, 2020 03:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Travelman:
This subject matter is always so bizarre to me, especially when someone takes an extreme point of view like "Never befriend a married person."

Why not?

Anyone can be friends with anyone. My ex had tons of guy friends and I had tons of girl friends and, in the end, it all boiled down to trust and being adults about it. There is no fast and hard rules about this type of stuff regardless of how hard some try to make them.

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posted October 28, 2020 03:56 PM            

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Potential temptation of a weakness.

It might be better not to be in a position unless strength is present.

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posted October 28, 2020 03:57 PM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
Long time no see.

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posted October 28, 2020 04:05 PM            

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i wonder what your vedic chart is like

i'm in venus ketu dasha right now, venus dasha is roughly 20 years long and before that was ketu (and i have them conjunct in my 1st house which is virgo in vedic) and i was born into mercury dasha (moon is in revati nakshatra in pisces) which affected my first house so after this i'll be in a period that moves away from venus-ketu-mercury for the first time ever (sun dasha and i have a 12th house leo sun)

so the drastic changes fit in well there all things considered, it's interesting to see how western transits mirror these dashas and i just wonder if maybe you're about to cross from one major period in your life to another with your north node being hit

anyway i'm glad things are more settled, hopefully it all gets better, seems like you havent had a good time

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I don't know much about vedic astrology, kinda gibberish all this to be honest lol. Especially transits I don't think I'll understand much of if I don't know the terms.

Just curious though, do you relate to one more than the other? Or what do you rely on first when considering astrology?

posted October 28, 2020 04:17 PM            

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I really don’t feel like commenting on this thread, but the subtle point hasn’t been declared, that which is a no brainer to me: don’t make friends with a married person of your personal sexual preference unless respect for their partner is extended aka if you cannot be friends with both people for whatever reason, stop fooling yourself about what’s going on. Its not a genuine friendship unless the partner is included—conscious.

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I fccking wish people would stop throwing the word Friend around. It’s disgraceful. People need to reestablish in vocabulary the term Acquaintance for size

My married friends and I have our individual and three-way chats scattered between us, either party. These are friendships.

If you don’t “know” their chosen partner, you don’t know them.

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In this case it seemed what he wanted out of this (disregarding the sexual aspect) is friendship, not acquaintance.

posted October 28, 2020 06:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
I don't know much about vedic astrology, kinda gibberish all this to be honest lol. Especially transits I don't think I'll understand much of if I don't know the terms.

Just curious though, do you relate to one more than the other? Or what do you rely on first when considering astrology?

But yeah thanks 😁 things are hopefully heading in the right direction.

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that gibberish was just about different time periods in your life the events are similar to what transits predict to begin with

theyre divinatory in a similar manner as western transits though transits still apply in vefic just an additional layer

i use sidereal placements and whole sign houses and a blend of western and vedic when i'm doing things on my own, partially because theyre observable and western is not and that's more useful for me

you can get the same person regardless from a chart if you can't using either system you ****** up, similar to divination where all systems yield a single result

i only use the tropical system and placidus here because it's what people here use

posted October 28, 2020 09:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
that gibberish was just about different time periods in your life the events are similar to what transits predict to begin with

theyre divinatory in a similar manner as western transits though transits still apply in vefic just an additional layer

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i use sidereal placements and whole sign houses and a blend of western and vedic when i'm doing things on my own, partially because theyre observable and western is not and that's more useful for me

you can get the same person regardless from a chart if you can't using either system you ****** up, similar to divination where all systems yield a single result

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i only use the tropical system and placidus here because it's what people here use

most of my friends who i learned astrology alongside use vedic entirely

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posted October 28, 2020 09:18 PM            

By trying to have a friendship, you are effectively betraying your real desires to make it romantic or sexual. And you might feel like you’ve done a good thing. But you will allow yourself little moments of make-believe where even though you haven’t technically crossed a line, you will indulge in a little fantasy, sneak in a little romantic thrill.

posted October 28, 2020 09:25 PM            

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Originally posted by antiphon:
I think very often the first step towards betraying others is betraying ourselves.

By trying to have a friendship, you are effectively betraying your real desires to make it romantic or sexual. And you might feel like you’ve done a good thing. But you will allow yourself little moments of make-believe where even though you haven’t technically crossed a line, you will indulge in a little fantasy, sneak in a little romantic thrill.

And that moment is the real betrayal. Of her, of him, but most of all, of you and what you really want. Don’t just fantasize, go after what you want. Don’t accept a knockoff counterfeit happiness.

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posted October 28, 2020 10:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
That's an interesting answer actually, didn't think of it that way. But it's so true, if you don't value your personal values, you pretty certainly won't give weight to others' values. Genius 😁

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Thanks, but that isn’t really what I mean.

posted October 28, 2020 10:12 PM            

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Do you care to share more about the guidance thingy? You've mentioned it a couple of times before, curious if you can share more...

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Hi Brenda,

Sure. I've learned from repeat experience that we have a nonphysical guidance team that tries to help us out with our spiritual growth and life path while we are in the earth. Some of it is our own Spirit level of self and various Souls that like yours, were created by your Spirit. Sometimes other Spirits, and other Souls from other Spirits, also help us out at times--such as spiritual teacher types.

Anyways, I've found that we can get very specific information from our guidance if we properly attune to same. Rather than explain it all in depth again, I will direct to you another couple posts:

Go to this thread and read my 7th post on there: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/242383.html

Then click the link in that post where on another thread and post, I explain various tips and techniques to help with this. And you can also try out the Hemi-Sync audio recordings in the first post I linked. They will likely work better on a computer/lap top rather than a phone, I think.

If after reading these, you still have questions, feel free to ask. After about 27 years of experimenting with meditation and trying various things, the above tips and techniques are some of the things I have distilled from various sources that have worked best for me.

posted October 29, 2020 01:04 AM            

you're placing too much value on the signs i think. on details that don't matter because the bare bones of the system is that you're looking at an object representing a single person

any object that represents that individual will be them because it's tied to their energy

if two people were to paint you and were good enough to where you could tell it was you and so could other people would it be because of the sum of who you are or because they'd represent the same details in exactly the same way?

you wouldn't think it was someone completely different just because a picture is in black and white or color so why do you think these things matter so much in terms of astrology?

a person is who they are or they aren't and something either resembles them or it doesnt but what makes it a complete picture is only how it represents the details not because the pictures match exactly

what's good about sidereal and vedic are that they're observable this is helpful with many other things and also gives you that same person

do you know how to read tarot or runes?

the chariot and raidho are very similar in nature if i were to pull each of them to describe something i would have a good idea of the situation and the same understanding of it regardless of which i chose to use

theyre not exactly the same though and so the intuition you use to know that the chariot means what it means and raidho does too is the same as looking at a chart with any system

you're too focused on the details rather than on the idea that what matters is what you can intuit from what you're looking at not what you're looking at itself

the systems are just two different ways of doing the same thing and yield the same result ultimately

sun square saturn has many ways it can manifest when you read a chart youre taking a guess on how it manifests

that same part of yourself you use to pick up on what that means is what you use to read a chart

more than one way to make 24 isnt there?

posted October 29, 2020 01:20 AM            

you ever notice no matter how many different mythologies and theologies you look at the same themes are repeated when broken down?

these interchangeable ideas repeated again and again and again in different ways?

to read them and really understand them you have to let go of focusing on the words and read beyond that

"what is this saying?" not "how is it said?"

all systems are like that

so i can see the transits ive been through recently,read through them. understand them or i can look at these dashas and get the same thing or i can acknowledge the ways dreams and meditation and reality can blend and understand i know them all and can spell them all out in cards and rocks and so on and it's all the same because why wouldn't it be?

when i read one chart as a whole and i read the other as well i see that they're both clear

if they arent then they wouldn't be usable

same goes for chinese astrology though i cant read it for **** , but i have experienced an impressive reading by some guy using **** like monkeys and tigers and snakes and wood and water etc

im not sure how he managed it and i never got to learn from him because of some stupid drama he got caught up in, but it's also the same

im kind of curious why you think that wouldnt be the case?

posted October 29, 2020 02:25 AM            

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more than one way to make 24 isnt there?

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I actually like this example.

Isn't it the details that make a person unique? Why is it that 2 people born the same day can be so different? You can't just assume that all Sun square Mars are the same. The sign it's in definitely matters. I think people give too little attention to the signs. It's true, aspects bring its unique characteristics to the table. But signs are the actual energies. Signs matter way more than people on here make it out to be, is my belief.

Also houses... Say a first house Venus which I know you too have to compare... Don't you think the houses that Venus rules natally matter as to how that energy will be brought into the first house? Say Venus natally rules your first house, don't you think your features will be rather sharp looking (just guessing of course) than if say in my case where Libra rules my fifth? I think first house ruler in the first are likely to give you sharper features vs in my case rather prominent if I were to guess as an outsider, since Venus rules my fifth and also Sun.

So yes details matter a lot. Personality isn't just a bunch of energies thrown together. They're complex. Yeah sometimes two people act similar and you may find they have similar SIGNS (not aspects, generally is what I've found when finding two people with similar characteristics; just goes to show that signs matter a whole lot). But what makes them actually different? It's in the details.

If you were to take a 24 piece set of cutlery as in your example... 12 forks and 12 spoons serves 12 people. 6 knives + 6 spoons + 6 forks + 6 chopsticks or whatever obviously serves 6. Then what about for kids vs adults, different cutlery ratio will be used for those. And if there's dessert it won't yield for as many people to begin with.

As a general rule I'm not very detail oriented, so trust me whenever I can get away with it I do. But in this case it's literally all about the details.

My Venus inconjuncting an Aquarius Saturn will be different than it inconjuncting a Sagittarius Saturn. House too. And a different setup will yield a completely different person, even if the energies are similar.

How do you think charts are rectified? (And I'm just guessing BTW based on my understanding of how they're done) Events, right? How do they determine it, depending on the type of event. Not just if it's sudden or not... Which means houses play into it. Like e.g. natally Aries 6th house ruler Mars in Pisces in the fifth, likely prone to getting sexual diseases easily? Maybe a square from transit Saturn in Gemini in the eighth will finally bring it into reality due to them being more at ease about their approaches during this time (in Gemini) and Saturn making its harsh aspect to the sixth house (health) ruler Mars (sex) in fifth - a fling or something, Mars is instant/passion. It can tell a whole story. Yet I'd be curious to find the story being the same or even similar with a transit if it were to be calibrated (can't find a better word lol) otherwise, like Vedic.

posted October 29, 2020 02:39 AM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
I actually like this example.

Isn't it the details that make a person unique? Why is it that 2 people born the same day can be so different? You can't just assume that all Sun square Mars are the same. The sign it's in definitely matters. I think people give too little attention to the signs. It's true, aspects bring its unique characteristics to the table. But signs are the actual energies. Signs matter way more than people on here make it out to be, is my belief.

Also houses... Say a first house Venus which I know you too have to compare... Don't you think the houses that Venus rules natally matter as to how that energy will be brought into the first house? Say Venus natally rules your first house, don't you think your features will be rather sharp looking (just guessing of course) than if say in my case where Libra rules my fifth? I think first house ruler in the first are likely to give you sharper features vs in my case rather prominent if I were to guess as an outsider, since Venus rules my fifth and also Sun.

So yes details matter a lot. Personality isn't just a bunch of energies thrown together. They're complex. Yeah sometimes two people act similar and you may find they have similar SIGNS (not aspects, generally is what I've found when finding two people with similar characteristics; just goes to show that signs matter a whole lot). But what makes them actually different? It's in the details.

If you were to take a 24 piece set of cutlery as in your example... 12 forks and 12 spoons serves 12 people. 6 knives + 6 spoons + 6 forks + 6 chopsticks or whatever obviously serves 6. Then what about for kids vs adults, different cutlery ratio will be used for those. And if there's dessert it won't yield for as many people to begin with.

As a general rule I'm not very detail oriented, so trust me whenever I can get away with it I do. But in this case it's literally all about the details.

My Venus inconjuncting an Aquarius Saturn will be different than it inconjuncting a Sagittarius Saturn. House too. And a different setup will yield a completely different person, even if the energies are similar.

How do you think charts are rectified? (And I'm just guessing BTW based on my understanding of how they're done) Events, right? How do they determine it, depending on the type of event. Not just if it's sudden or not... Which means houses play into it. Like e.g. natally Aries 6th house ruler Mars in Pisces in the fifth, likely prone to getting sexual diseases easily? Maybe a square from transit Saturn in Gemini in the eighth will finally bring it into reality due to them being more at ease about their approaches during this time (in Gemini) and Saturn making its harsh aspect to the sixth house (health) ruler Mars (sex) in fifth - a fling or something, Mars is instant/passion. It can tell a whole story. Yet I'd be curious to find the story being the same or even similar with a transit if it were to be calibrated (can't find a better word lol) otherwise, like Vedic.

Also... Wouldn't your Vedic chart be the same as another person's Western chart? It just occurred to me... I'm honestly not sure mathematically how it works, I guess I should pull up my Vedic chart and see if I can replicate it in Western astrology. That would render your argument false lol. But I guess I wouldn't know just yet till I try it.

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if i told you something about yourself and didnt tell you how i knew it would the way i came to that conclusion matter or would you say it worked when i did it consistently with different people?

i think charts are rectified using the system in which they're read so you should get the correct result when you use that system's rules

the way to get to x when you use y gets you will work for y but that doesnt mean z doesnt also get you to x

posted October 29, 2020 02:39 AM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
I actually like this example.

Isn't it the details that make a person unique? Why is it that 2 people born the same day can be so different? You can't just assume that all Sun square Mars are the same. The sign it's in definitely matters. I think people give too little attention to the signs. It's true, aspects bring its unique characteristics to the table. But signs are the actual energies. Signs matter way more than people on here make it out to be, is my belief.

Also houses... Say a first house Venus which I know you too have to compare... Don't you think the houses that Venus rules natally matter as to how that energy will be brought into the first house? Say Venus natally rules your first house, don't you think your features will be rather sharp looking (just guessing of course) than if say in my case where Libra rules my fifth? I think first house ruler in the first are likely to give you sharper features vs in my case rather prominent if I were to guess as an outsider, since Venus rules my fifth and also Sun.

So yes details matter a lot. Personality isn't just a bunch of energies thrown together. They're complex. Yeah sometimes two people act similar and you may find they have similar SIGNS (not aspects, generally is what I've found when finding two people with similar characteristics; just goes to show that signs matter a whole lot). But what makes them actually different? It's in the details.

If you were to take a 24 piece set of cutlery as in your example... 12 forks and 12 spoons serves 12 people. 6 knives + 6 spoons + 6 forks + 6 chopsticks or whatever obviously serves 6. Then what about for kids vs adults, different cutlery ratio will be used for those. And if there's dessert it won't yield for as many people to begin with.

As a general rule I'm not very detail oriented, so trust me whenever I can get away with it I do. But in this case it's literally all about the details.

My Venus inconjuncting an Aquarius Saturn will be different than it inconjuncting a Sagittarius Saturn. House too. And a different setup will yield a completely different person, even if the energies are similar.

How do you think charts are rectified? (And I'm just guessing BTW based on my understanding of how they're done) Events, right? How do they determine it, depending on the type of event. Not just if it's sudden or not... Which means houses play into it. Like e.g. natally Aries 6th house ruler Mars in Pisces in the fifth, likely prone to getting sexual diseases easily? Maybe a square from transit Saturn in Gemini in the eighth will finally bring it into reality due to them being more at ease about their approaches during this time (in Gemini) and Saturn making its harsh aspect to the sixth house (health) ruler Mars (sex) in fifth - a fling or something, Mars is instant/passion. It can tell a whole story. Yet I'd be curious to find the story being the same or even similar with a transit if it were to be calibrated (can't find a better word lol) otherwise, like Vedic.

Also... Wouldn't your Vedic chart be the same as another person's Western chart? It just occurred to me... I'm honestly not sure mathematically how it works, I guess I should pull up my Vedic chart and see if I can replicate it in Western astrology. That would render your argument false lol. But I guess I wouldn't know just yet till I try it.

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if i told you something about yourself and didnt tell you how i knew it would the way i came to that conclusion matter or would you say it worked when i did it and was right consistently both with different people and you?

i think charts are rectified using the system in which they're read so you should get the correct result when you use that system's rules

the way to get to x when you use y gets you will work for y but that doesnt mean z doesnt also get you to x

posted October 29, 2020 02:57 AM            

bigger picture how it plays out how it fits into its environment and so on