posted October 29, 2020 02:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
if i told you something about yourself and didnt tell you how i knew it would the way i came to that conclusion matter or would you say it worked when i did it and was right consistently both with different people and you?

i think charts are rectified using the system in which they're read so you should get the correct result when you use that system's rules

the way to get to x when you use y gets you will work for y but that doesnt mean z doesnt also get you to x

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I guess it depends how specific you get? By just telling me that I like serenity wouldn't really be satisfactory. But if you tell me something really specific, then I'd probably take a second look at least, give it more thought or whatever. But I'd be really surprised if I can arrive at the same person with different charts. Cuz again, different houses = different areas of life and that's everything. If the ruler changes I'm curious how the setup would be in order to arrive at the same conclusion. I'm open to being wrong I'm just honestly curious.

And even if they're rectified using the same system, they're rectified using very specific details. Not just overall energy.

posted October 29, 2020 03:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
I guess it depends how specific you get? By just telling me that I like serenity wouldn't really be satisfactory. But if you tell me something really specific, then I'd probably take a second look at least, give it more thought or whatever. But I'd be really surprised if I can arrive at the same person with different charts. Cuz again, different houses = different areas of life and that's everything. If the ruler changes I'm curious how the setup would be in order to arrive at the same conclusion. I'm open to being wrong I'm just honestly curious.

And even if they're rectified using the same system, they're rectified using very specific details. Not just overall energy.

But yeah I'd actually be curious to know if you actually meant it... My birthday is May 15 1991 @ 7:27am in Staten Island NY.

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just do all the creating a chart for me if you want a demonstration from me personally please 🥺

posted October 29, 2020 03:05 AM            

systems are no different neither are you

posted October 29, 2020 03:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:

are you saying a vedic astrologer cant tell you about yourself and be right? 🤔

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posted October 29, 2020 03:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
2x3
3+3
1x6

does it matter how i get there?

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posted October 29, 2020 03:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
Yeah it kinda does, a person is absolutely the sum of their parts. 6 in itself is just a dead number. It definitely depends how you get there. That makes one 6 different from the next 6.

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posted October 29, 2020 03:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
rectifying a chart is like multiplying different numbers to try to get six of course you have to use multiplication rules to get to it not addition

2x3 is 6 but 2+3 is 5

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I get what you're saying about this. But they're not actually using a different system. They're using the same planets, same houses and same signs. MBTI is a different system. Enneagram is a different system. Vedic and Western are just butting heads.

I honestly am not saying that Western is right over Vedic. Vedic may be right over Western. But how can they both be right when they're using the same CALCULATION? One must give don't you think?

If you're gonna use the number 2 and 3 and the multiplication sign, it'll only render one number. In Western and Vedic they're using the same numbers, same planets and same houses. Am I making sense? It's not they're using multiplication over division. All the details are the same. Except the timing is off.

posted October 29, 2020 03:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
I get what you're saying about this. But they're not actually using a different system. They're using the same planets, same houses and same signs. MBTI is a different system. Enneagram is a different system. Vedic and Western are just butting heads.

I honestly am not saying that Western is right over Vedic. Vedic may be right over Western. But how can they both be right when they're using the same CALCULATION? One must give don't you think?

If you're gonna use the number 2 and 3 and the multiplication sign, it'll only render one number. In Western and Vedic they're using the same numbers, same planets and same houses. Am I making sense? It's not they're using multiplication over division. All the details are the same. Except the timing is off.

Again, it may be Vedic works over Western. Just how can they both work when they're clearly the same system.

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how can i predict the same event using runes iching and tarot? this is exactly the same

posted October 29, 2020 03:34 AM            

too high too everything else about life for this right now tbh

posted October 29, 2020 03:38 AM            

that's a hell of a situation though so i cant even 🤷‍♀️ we aren't fighting or anything but there's a long story there

posted October 29, 2020 03:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
not when im doing math and only care about the number

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Like saying males are all one way and females all another if you're only looking at the sum. That's definitely not how to go about it. Females may have base characteristics but certainly not all are the same. If you're just gonna focus on the sum you won't be able to tell which person you're talking about.

If one would hand you a pile of charts and have you match it to the person sitting in front of you, how confident are you to get it right if you're gonna look at the overall energies? Not very. You need to get specific.

But as I said, I don't know which one works better. I guess I should probably do some more digging if I am gonna argue. I'm just curious. Logically (purely) it would be boggling if I arrive at the same conclusion. I don't know.

Trying to compare it with names/numerology. I'll just give you an example... In Hebrew the numbers when they're counted, they're done so in Hebrew letterings so essentially the way it goes is, 11 is say like J(10)A(1) 12 is JB and so on... When it comes to 15 and 16, instead of continuing JE and JF (which would be God's name in Hebrew text) it's done as I(9)F(6) and I(9)G(7). Basically to say, the characteristics of JE and JF is not the same as IF and IG.

posted October 29, 2020 04:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
Like saying males are all one way and females all another if you're only looking at the sum. That's definitely not how to go about it. Females may have base characteristics but certainly not all are the same. If you're just gonna focus on the sum you won't be able to tell which person you're talking about.

If one would hand you a pile of charts and have you match it to the person sitting in front of you, how confident are you to get it right if you're gonna look at the overall energies? Not very. You need to get specific.

But as I said, I don't know which one works better. I guess I should probably do some more digging if I am gonna argue. I'm just curious. Logically (purely) it would be boggling if I arrive at the same conclusion. I don't know.

Trying to compare it with names/numerology. I'll just give you an example... In Hebrew the numbers when they're counted, they're done so in Hebrew letterings so essentially the way it goes is, 11 is say like J(10)A(1) 12 is JB and so on... When it comes to 15 and 16, instead of continuing JE and JF (which would be God's name in Hebrew text) it's done as I(9)F(6) and I(9)G(7). Basically to say, the characteristics of JE and JF is not the same as IF and IG.

Again all these may not matter to you... But just to give you an idea, that the sum with different combinations don't always paint the same picture. Speaking of combinations, essentially like a combination lock. Using different numbers or in a different order will not work.

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posted October 29, 2020 04:05 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Hi Brenda,

Sure. I've learned from repeat experience that we have a nonphysical guidance team that tries to help us out with our spiritual growth and life path while we are in the earth. Some of it is our own Spirit level of self and various Souls that like yours, were created by your Spirit. Sometimes other Spirits, and other Souls from other Spirits, also help us out at times--such as spiritual teacher types.

Anyways, I've found that we can get very specific information from our guidance if we properly attune to same. Rather than explain it all in depth again, I will direct to you another couple posts:

Go to this thread and read my 7th post on there: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/242383.html

Then click the link in that post where on another thread and post, I explain various tips and techniques to help with this. And you can also try out the Hemi-Sync audio recordings in the first post I linked. They will likely work better on a computer/lap top rather than a phone, I think.

If after reading these, you still have questions, feel free to ask. After about 27 years of experimenting with meditation and trying various things, the above tips and techniques are some of the things I have distilled from various sources that have worked best for me.

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posted October 29, 2020 04:11 AM            

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Originally posted by antiphon:
Thanks, but that isn’t really what I mean.

Most people think these situations are about choosing to do the right thing instead of doing what you really want. But you don’t want a casual fling with a married man. No one really does. The truly ethical thing is to choose your true desire, not to sacrifice it to do a superficially “good thing”.

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posted October 29, 2020 04:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
and no it isnt like the first thing at all thsts a false equivalence

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posted October 29, 2020 04:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i was responding to the last bit i can tell we're not on the same page because we're going in different directions 🤷‍♀️ im too high though and tired

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posted October 29, 2020 08:38 AM            

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Originally posted by antiphon:
Don’t just fantasize, go after what you want. Don’t accept a knockoff counterfeit happiness.

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posted October 29, 2020 08:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
Umm ok

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sorry was too high to understand keys last night (went out to smoke had to call my brother and wake him up to let me in after i realized unlocking the door just wasnt going to happen) and you were going off in other directions talking about combination locks and things that work in ways that i said this kind of thing is different from

it's hard to explain something to someone who wont consider the perspective youre using and instead drawing unrelated comparisons even without that kind of impairment

in my view this is simple and you thinking you should be more than just that "flat" 6 is very confusing to me because my point was that no number could be 6 other than itself and how you get to it doesnt change the essence of the result

another oerson would be a different number in my example similar chart? mayybe theyre 6.1 then but they are not 6 itself

in my view youre too married to a system and caught up in it and it's like saying hermes and mercury arent equivalent gods for different cultures in spite of that not being the case

a western astrologer rectifying a western chart using the western system to get you makes sense because they aren't going to read a chart the way a vedic astrologer would

you're too worried about how you get 6 and it's impossible to tell you it doesnt matter when you insist it does because you want to see yourself as more unique than a number that can never equal anything other than itself

you can never be anyone other than you and comparing you to a number wasnt minimizing that reality only saying the way to find you isnt the part that matters

you can get to a place more than one way the location doesnt change only your method though the location is unique

what makes a place what it is isn't how you get there, you saying how you get there somehow alters it is baffling to me in all honesty

even sober im not really understanding the logic

edit: in my defense that lock sticks and you have to hold the door a certain way and it was always a ***** even when i lived here 🤣

posted October 29, 2020 08:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
I guess it depends how specific you get? By just telling me that I like serenity wouldn't really be satisfactory. But if you tell me something really specific, then I'd probably take a second look at least, give it more thought or whatever. But I'd be really surprised if I can arrive at the same person with different charts. Cuz again, different houses = different areas of life and that's everything. If the ruler changes I'm curious how the setup would be in order to arrive at the same conclusion. I'm open to being wrong I'm just honestly curious.

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I'm with Dumuzi on vedic. The way vedic interprets the different houses and signs (and nakshatras) are not exactly the same way western does, IME. For e.g. I've a very different understanding of Nodes in vedic which I resonated with much more than western's interpretation. And the vedic astrologer I saw was able to get very very specific things that happened in my life.

posted October 29, 2020 02:10 PM            

you aren't the method someone uses to understand or know you, you're your soul and your energy

these methods exist to shed light but they don't create you

if i get to know you through conversation or by asking you questions i might learn some different things about you but i'll still come to know you and a lot of what i learn can very well be the same

you haven't changed just because my way of knowing you is different, this is what western and vedic are, these differences

you're looking at western astrology like it alone can define you and that's just not the case

the vedic system is its own, tropical is its own (it's also not even observable and if you were to calculate the placements of the stars and planets by sight you would not end up with tropical) they are not carbon copies of each other the common variable is you, blending the two requires knowledge of each

posted October 29, 2020 02:25 PM            

Like the Nakshatra that you guys mentioned...

I was just hating on it cuz I didn't really relate to my placements at all when looking at my chart. Like my Aries Sun, my traits are so not Aries, wish it were. My rising Taurus, I'm everything that Taurus is not when it comes to appearance. I guess there are more details involved that I should look into since I interpreted it in the way I would Western.

I guess that's what you meant @Dumuzi when you said they use a different system you should've just told me lol, that they actually interpret it differently completely. I don't know why I thought that it's just the way the houses are laid out that are different.