posted October 29, 2020 02:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
I think I'm understanding it better now, now that you've mentioned @Hikaru that they don't interpret planets the same way. I was under the impression otherwise, which is I guess why one shouldn't really argue when they don't have knowledge on said subject.

Like the Nakshatra that you guys mentioned...

I was just hating on it cuz I didn't really relate to my placements at all when looking at my chart. Like my Aries Sun, my traits are so not Aries, wish it were. My rising Taurus, I'm everything that Taurus is not when it comes to appearance. I guess there are more details involved that I should look into since I interpreted it in the way I would Western.

I guess that's what you meant @Dumuzi when you said they use a different system you should've just told me lol, that they actually interpret it differently completely. I don't know why I thought that it's just the way the houses are laid out that are different.

Anyway yeah I'll look into it. Thanks you guys.

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yeah that probably wouldve been the simple way to explain it though i thought i mentioned that the system was different

i mentioned this in another thread but moon affects appearance a lot, nakshatra same with ascendant nakshatra

youre defining appearance based on western

anyway like i said i was too high to figure out a lock with the right key in my hand yesterday so anything more complicated 🤷‍♀️

edit: looking back i definitely did say they were different and compared them to multiplication and addition and said they abide by their own rules etc

posted October 29, 2020 02:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
Lol.

Also as for appearance my Moon is Taurus too in Vedic. So both in Taurus, but I guess there will be something that'll explain it.

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posted October 29, 2020 02:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
nakshatra most likely it's not just taurus, taurus is divided into 3 lunar mansions one blending with cancer one blending with aries and one fully in taurus

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posted October 29, 2020 02:55 PM            

If one tries to use a Ouija board to talk to spiritual Masters--yeah good luck with that, because the collective energies around Ouija board are more slow vibratory than not. Over time, similar, continued use of that system, has created what we could call the "spirit" of Ouija which is one of a shallow and materialistic and slower vibratory nature. It's that vibratory coloring and filter I was talking about. Sensitives who can see auras physically, for example, see auras around not just people and living things, but also sometimes around everything--including even cities!

Every belief system has a "spirit" or aura or vibratory pattern associated with same, and the more you focus on and are attached to same, the more you will be influenced by it.

The main difference between Vedic and Western astrology is that Vedic has been and stayed more traditional. It's been slower moving and more conservative. Western has been changing, adapting, evolving at a rapid pace. It's also less deterministic and materialistic for the most part as compared to Vedic.

When I started watching Vedic astrologers on YT, reading articles online, etc, I was consistently turned off by some of their energy and focus. As an overall trend, it was overly deterministic and materialistic in tone for me. There of course is some of that in Western astrology as well, but there are more people and noted authors etc that have turned away from that and have applied a more psychological and/or spiritual lens to astrology, like I do.

I suggest you reading this thread on the topic as well.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/242366.html

From what I have looked at Vedic and compared to Western that I do find more accurate is that Vedic seems to be more accurate than Western when it comes to collective, event related stuff. It makes sense because it's based on a moving/updated system in that sense.

I've so far found Western to be more accurate when it comes to the individual and to character, psychology, and spiritually.

This is not to say that an intuitive and practiced astrologer of the Vedic systems cannot pick up accurate information from a chart. Course, but how much is that the system/tool and how much is that the reader?

And maybe Vedic is more accurate for those born into those systems and cultures and vice versa for westerners and western system? Maybe consciousness is more fluid and adaptable and yet more group related, than we tend to realize? I actually don't know the answers to these questions, but I like asking questions.

posted October 29, 2020 02:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
But that's what a lot of people choose to do - staying in a counterfeit bliss. I'm on the fence on this. while I fully agree with going after what your heart desires but I also understand why some people choose to stay in their so-called counterfeit bliss... because it feels safe and they fear being judged. The irony is at the end of the day, they will still be judged. Lol.

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posted October 29, 2020 03:02 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:

And maybe Vedic is more accurate for those born into those systems and cultures and vice versa for westerners and western system?

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posted October 29, 2020 03:07 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Dumuzi, I kind of agree with you and yet don't at the same time. What you are saying is more or less true, but you also have to understand that codified belief systems are not completely neutral. They have a "color" if you will. They are like a colored lens or filter, and when you look through them, your perception will be at least somewhat influenced by the energy of that belief system.

If one tries to use a Ouija board to talk to spiritual Masters--yeah good luck with that, because the collective energies around Ouija board are more slow vibratory than not. Over time, similar, continued use of that system, has created what we could call the "spirit" of Ouija which is one of a shallow and materialistic and slower vibratory nature. It's that vibratory coloring and filter I was talking about. Sensitives who can see auras physically, for example, see auras around not just people and living things, but also sometimes around everything--including even cities!

Every belief system has a "spirit" or aura or vibratory pattern associated with same, and the more you focus on and are attached to same, the more you will be influenced by it.

The main difference between Vedic and Western astrology is that Vedic has been and stayed more traditional. It's been slower moving and more conservative. Western has been changing, adapting, evolving at a rapid pace. It's also less deterministic and materialistic for the most part as compared to Vedic.

When I started watching Vedic astrologers on YT, reading articles online, etc, I was consistently turned off by some of their energy and focus. As an overall trend, it was overly deterministic and materialistic in tone for me. There of course is some of that in Western astrology as well, but there are more people and noted authors etc that have turned away from that and have applied a more psychological and/or spiritual lens to astrology, like I do.

I suggest you reading this thread on the topic as well.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/242366.html

From what I have looked at Vedic and compared to Western that I do find more accurate is that Vedic seems to be more accurate than Western when it comes to collective, event related stuff. It makes sense because it's based on a moving/updated system in that sense.

I've so far found Western to be more accurate when it comes to the individual and to character, psychology, and spiritually.

This is not to say that an intuitive and practiced astrologer of the Vedic systems cannot pick up accurate information from a chart. Course, but how much is that the system/tool and how much is that the reader?

And maybe Vedic is more accurate for those born into those systems and cultures and vice versa for westerners and western system? Maybe consciousness is more fluid and adaptable and yet more group related, than we tend to realize? I actually don't know the answers to these questions, but I like asking questions.

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that's why i used the example of different paintings of the same person, each painting would look like the person but neither would be exactly the same

these tools and systems are methods to understand the same thing, we can gain a different sense of understanding through them but they will still be the same

i do think reader is more important than method which is why i mentioned to brenda that what a person intuits from a chart is important

this is because it's possible to feel a person by seeing something that's personally attached to them

conversation, charts, pictures etc these all hold a part of us and a person can pick up on that vibration and find us through anything that can be connected to us

what they can see is what theyre limited to (their individual limits that is what i can pick up on of a person based on these things is based on me and not limited to particular tools though these help flesh out my understanding in more concretecterms)

people who know me elsewhere know me differently than people here but knowing me here is still knowing me, perception may be altered both through my expression and the person perceiving me but my energy is always mine

so one system or the other we come to know the same person even if we see them through a different lens

they arent replicas

posted October 29, 2020 03:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
nakshatra most likely it's not just taurus, taurus is divided into 3 lunar mansions one blending with cancer one blending with aries and one fully in taurus

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posted October 29, 2020 03:20 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Like the decans in western astrology.

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not quite the decans are all self contained within a sign, nakshatras are not and are connected to different fixed stars

for example magha is connected to regulus, chitra is spica

posted October 29, 2020 03:29 PM            

If you read the other link, you'll note that Cayce's guidance and my own experience has taught me that Signs tend to be less important that commonly believed and promoted by western, pop, mainstream astrology.

The relative positions of the Planets in relation to the Angles should be similar between both systems? But I haven't gotten into the whole mansions of Moon and all that stuff.

posted October 29, 2020 03:41 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Yeah, ultimately, if it works for you and is accurate for you, that's all that really matters.

If you read the other link, you'll note that Cayce's guidance and my own experience has taught me that Signs tend to be less important that commonly believed and promoted by western, pop, mainstream astrology.

The relative positions of the Planets in relation to the Angles should be similar between both systems? But I haven't gotten into the whole mansions of Moon and all that stuff.

I should probably look more deeply into it before speaking on it. It's just that I listen to my intuition and guidance a lot and haven't been nudged in that direction, I'm assuming for reasons.

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i think i've mentioned to you before that i generally don't check signs when giving a quick reading and instead focus on the planets and angles they form to each other and what the chart seems to want to say

so i'm actually with you on signs being over stressed in any given system i read them last for color generally

that being said they work well within their systems guidelines and that makes sense because each system is the result of collected data from that system's use

posted October 29, 2020 03:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
I'm seeing my Sun in the first... But just to make sure that I'm reading it correctly, can it still be the case if my ASC is at 28:00 Taurus and my Sun at 00:24?

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posted October 29, 2020 03:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
whole sign so yes however they would fall into different nakshatras and would be expressed differently

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posted October 29, 2020 04:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
Right yeah I'm seeing. Do aspects work the same way?

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not quite degree orbs are irrelevant but the planets affecting houses opposite them and so on does hold up

posted October 29, 2020 04:13 PM            

just an additional note on different belief systems all having their own vibration, that's true, but the nature of god is not limited to a single belief system and is knowable through all

posted October 29, 2020 04:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
Venus at 13 degree and Mars at 29 degree would be considered a conjunction if they're both in one house?

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posted October 29, 2020 04:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
And do sextiles/trines matter?

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the aspects are written like which houses affect each other

i cant remember the exact details would have to ask when i get a chance or you can find it that way