posted January 08, 2013 12:54 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
@hanna, so you really want to do the booty call thing? then put yourself out there, you will definitely get some takers. now whether or not you like the guys who are interested is another matter entirely. but you should be able to find a guy you like.

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posted January 08, 2013 12:59 AM            

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Originally posted by sand:
I don't do locker room talk and never did. Most guys are not on my level and only want to here stories. Who I fuk is my business.

Sags with Venus in Scorpio are great teachers IMO.

Hell Xiiro might have that if I remembered right!

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posted January 08, 2013 01:22 AM            

though i don't think u should seek out a teacher.. that just sounds iffy and i'm sorry i suggested it but i just meant that that combo was what opened my eyes to many things.. it's not just sex because sex, for me, comes with all these emotions and whatnot that comes with having a scorpio mars. it's much much more complex for me.

posted January 08, 2013 01:33 AM            

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Originally posted by sand:
^i love pisces scorp combos..

though i don't think u should seek out a teacher.. that just sounds iffy and i'm sorry i suggested it but i just meant that that combo was what opened my eyes to many things.. it's not just sex because sex, for me, comes with all these emotions and whatnot that comes with having a scorpio mars. it's much much more complex for me.

it's also the hangups , issues, confidence.. u have to work on them with your partner and that was my first experience of that. say the venus-saturn.. some people don't feel they deserve to be loved. i have the opposition. when i was younger i couldn't believe women fell in love with me. i felt so.. lucky. i still do but i value myself more. u have to find someone that will help u work through that not just someone that will give u experience. something actually deeper than a booty call.

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posted January 08, 2013 05:09 AM            

I can honestly say that in my own experiences, and I have Venus Sco sextile Saturn Cap, that I used to hold back my emotions and not show how or what I was truly feeling. It took just one moment to realise that opening some parts of myself up, to give to people was what I needed to do, to learn to accept it as well. It is so much easier to love someone who is open with themselves and gives freely of themselves, it helps to relax and encourage others to open up. People will always have hangups about love and intimacy, we're human, but at the same time, we need to realise that there isn't really a need for those hangups, they exist only in our minds, and no where else.

When it comes to Saturn, he only wants to protect us. He is the one that tells us; "Hmm we don't know about that, why don't we just leave it alone? We know nothing good ever comes from things we don't know, it might not be safe, it might be scary. Why don't we just stick with a good movie on the couch tonight, alone, safe." Saturn is the one that shapes us towards keeping within the realm of our knowledge, our experiences, our safety net. Things we have done, the things we know, he reminds us they are safe, and that we should stick to them. He is not totally negative, he gives us great drive for stability, security, working towards goals, usually set by him... and the capacity to have discipline within our lives and generally look after ourselves and not be reckless. For some people Saturn is extremely prominent and 'holds them back' from discovering and experiencing who they are, or who they could be.

I read an interesting article, in which the premise was that Saturn in some ways, governs our personal planets, he is the edge of our known. That Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto, represent the unknown and forces of change in our lives. That they are what make Saturn uncomfortable and force him to look at and sometimes experience the unknown. Take for example food, a lot of children are somewhat particular about what they eat. This is a self defense mechanism, they only eat what they know is okay, generally what they have had before. This could be Saturn whispering, "yes we've had that before, that tastes nice, we can eat that" or "Hmm I don't like the look of that, I've never seen it before, it might taste bad, best not to eat it... lets stick with that other food that we know". I feel this is applicable in many cases in our lives. Some people live more freely outside Saturn's influence, but it's finding a balance for yourself that is important.

When it comes to feeling unlovable, there may very well have been some experience in your life, that has led you to believe that. For it truly is not the case. It is a question of finding out what that experience was, and re-assuring Saturn that you are lovable. Everyone is capable of both giving and receiving love.

Xiiro has it absolutely right.

There are parts of our sub-concious that we act out in small ways, that we don't notice, but that everyone picks up on. Little signs our body screams out to those who would listen. It is these things that people pick up on, that show people our energy.

When it comes to booty calls and inexperience, it doesn't matter. I say that as a heterosexual male, at 23. It's just a booty call, if that is the road you choose for a while, then use it to discover the things you like, in the end it doesn't really matter.

More generally, when it comes to more or less experienced, personally I don't care. I don't understand this idea that Men prefer inexperienced girls, I think it comes from their own insecurities. Men hand out labels such as, "easy" to those girls who are free with their sexuality and enjoy themselves. I don't know whether it is because they are shying away from their own sexuality or they use it to convince themselves that such a woman is not so intimidating to them. I truly don't know, without asking someone who thinks like that why they feel the way they do. As for "guys" being a lot more honest around guys, I don't think that is true at all, at the deep seated core of any male - male interaction, is a need to "prove your worth" your masculinity and power, so I think this brings a lot of peer pressure to fit in with your fellow group of men and conform to the general beliefs, "women who enjoy their sexuality are easy" "Less experienced is better". The very thought that men might prefer less experienced women so they can 'corrupt' them? That sounds like they have a negative view of sex to me. To me it's a shared experience, and discovery, where both partners share and learn with each other, to discover the natural beauty and sensuality. Unlocking each other's sexuality. It isn't something that should be 'corrupted'.

I have never heard guys 'complain' either way whether experienced or inexperienced. Those guys who complain about women being too experienced, I think are either insecure, jealous, or just don't have a positive, natural, healthy view, idea, or outlook on sex. With someone more experienced, you can learn so much from them, about your own body, about theirs. It is very personal, and is different between every two people, but if you find someone who has that warm easy confidence as well as experienced, you are in for a wonderful time. I can't believe that anyone would complain if they were with someone who could play your body like it was a musical instrument. Again I feel they are either insecure, ungrateful or just not able to have a healthy outlook. Those who prefer less experienced, they don't know what they are missing out on. Everyone should make it a personal goal to help everyone they encounter to become more experienced. Society etc. has demonised sex incredibly, tried to make it seem as dirty, wrong, and unnatural as possible. Which makes me incredibly sad, this should not be.

I would be curious to hear the other side. What Women think and feel about more/less experienced guys and their outlook generally. Although that is probably another thread.

It does make you feel more attractive and confident, and this is true for men and women, why would you not feel that way when you know you are sexually desirable to others? Equally a booty call does miss a lot of intimacy which is often what the majority of people lack, even those in long term committed relationships.

Don't walk around looking for love, trying to search it out, focus on it, or otherwise force it. Just try to relax, live your life, do the things you enjoy doing, that make you happy. If you do enjoy yourself, you will be happier, and you will be more attractive because people will sense you are a happier person, and who doesn't want a slice of happiness in their life?

Easy to say, hard to do.

I wish you the very best, and don't fret.

- Chris

posted January 08, 2013 06:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Swift Freeze:
You should try not to worry too much about Love, or falling in Love..... If you do enjoy yourself, you will be happier, and you will be more attractive because people will sense you are a happier person, and who doesn't want a slice of happiness in their life?

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Very well written Chris, I hope if I have another lifetime and choose Venus in Scorpio again, that I get Venus sextile Saturn. Something you said that I particularly agree with, was that fear is a common reason for trouble with love. Saturn square Venus specializes in fear when it comes to beauty, love, relationships, value, worth, etc.. Your advise is 100% spot on in my experience and the beauty of Saturn square Venus is the incomparable benefits one reaps from overcoming all that fear.

Unfortunately the fear needs to be dealt with before the reward, and often the mechanisms we develop to compensate for our fear, must be deconstructed before we are even capable of stepping into a room with Saturn. From a square perspective, Venus (at least Scorpio Venus) is sensitive, delicate, deep and gentle. Our sensation body is a vastly tendriled, bio-luminescent, pain/pleasure-jellyfish, emerging out of the crushing depths. Then here comes Saturn with his heavy god-like hand, tiny boxes (complete with tiny-box-stuffing-stick) and jagged demands. Both forces feel equally valid and neither is willing to take up new residence in someone else's personality, yet the key to their harmony is learning to cherish/nurture each other by standing aside when the time is right.

To square-Saturn, Venus is not enough, not acceptable, and of debatable value. It is easy for Venus to squish and wither under daily abuse of that kind. If anything it just takes time for us to gain experience, grow a bit, pay attention to how we are treating our self, and formulate some structures which make Saturn feel more secure in Venus's purpose.

posted January 08, 2013 09:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
Baby steps, well planned action, and a crap-ton of patience will always leave Saturn with a cheese eating grin on his face (not to imply of course that Saturn eats cheese, he probably munches on rocks or something equally delicious).

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Haha, gave me a good chuckle. I wonder if Saturn enjoys making lists of acceptable and unacceptable and munching on those too. I can't imagine Saturn ever daring to bare a smile whilst there are any witnesses around, either.

I love your description of Saturn with his "tiny boxes, and tiny box stuffing stick". Although I do feel that it is Saturn who, 'needs' Venus in many ways, to show him that everything isn't about work, practicality, or rationality. In a lot of ways I feel that Saturn may be hard shelled but is very sensitive on the inside. May be why he sub-conciously craves Venus's soft gently touch, though he would almost never admit it. Saturn is a tough old boy to deal with, like an over protective parent you know? Sometimes you just want to take those child reins off and run free into the sandbox of life. Yeah sometimes there is some **** in there, but there can also be diamonds. How will we ever know if we don't look?

Probably one of the hardest things to do, is look at how you view yourself, harder still, to question why, to understand, and to accept the those things in yourself. Saturn may always be flogging you on your back as you walk, whispering;
"you're not good enough, you're not worthy, you must work harder, you must be more." "Listen to me, haven't I helped keep you safe and on this path?"

"Well yes... you have, but those look like flowers over there, they look vibrant and they look like they would smell nice, soft to the touch."

"Pfft, keep your eyes on the dusty road child, focus on the brown beaten track, take enjoyment from one foot in front of the other. There may be flowers over there, but who knows what else, what if you are allergic to them? No... best stay on track, keep plodding along, no surprises, no surprises..."

Venus needs to be set free, to enjoy, and relish in all things she finds beautiful and appealing. She will hold them up for Saturn to see, "Look, see, I told you they smelled nice!" She may exclaim in delight. Saturn would snort and snuffle, keeping a close protective eye over Venus lest she roam too far. Muttering discontent, but inwardly smiling at something new that was pleasant and enjoyable, catalogued down as something now safe and known. The next time Venus asks to look at flowers, Saturn says, "Okay." Venus will just turn and smile as she skips over to them.

Saturn isn't all bad, he's the one that whispers in your head, "You know... jumping out of a plane at 2500ft is not a good idea. Seriously, don't do this, you don't know what could happen, your parachute may fail or get ripped, you could die. Listen to reason, it isn't sane to jump out! Stay inside, it's safe and we'll get back to solid ground." He gives us guidance and keeps us alive and safe in many situations.

Having Saturn Sextile Venus isn't all rainbows and Unicorns. It may be slightly easier to deal with, and the rewards may come more easily. But they are no less satisfying. I oft try to soothe my Saturn when he gets out of his rocking chair with his cane, (see stuffing stick), to have a crack, bringing up the past and why I should be cautious. I try to sit him down gently, pat his hand, and tell him it will be okay.

If Saturn did not remind us of past experiences, we would not be so afraid.

If Saturn did not remind us of past experiences, we would never learn.

I want to be a cloud, light and fluffy, floating free sampling the beauty of life.

Not stuffed into a tiny windowless dark box, never to taste the beauty of life.

posted January 08, 2013 11:18 AM            

Is that one of your paintings?

Or is it a photo?

posted January 08, 2013 12:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Swift Freeze:
You should try not to worry too much about Love, or falling in Love. Obviously thoughts and feelings are personal, and communicating such things is not the easiest thing to do. The reason why Love is such a difficult thing for a lot of people is fear. No one likes to have their love and their feelings rejected, but honestly, time will pass, and you will heal.

I can honestly say that in my own experiences, and I have Venus Sco sextile Saturn Cap, that I used to hold back my emotions and not show how or what I was truly feeling. It took just one moment to realise that opening some parts of myself up, to give to people was what I needed to do, to learn to accept it as well. It is so much easier to love someone who is open with themselves and gives freely of themselves, it helps to relax and encourage others to open up. People will always have hangups about love and intimacy, we're human, but at the same time, we need to realise that there isn't really a need for those hangups, they exist only in our minds, and no where else.

When it comes to Saturn, he only wants to protect us. He is the one that tells us; "Hmm we don't know about that, why don't we just leave it alone? We know nothing good ever comes from things we don't know, it might not be safe, it might be scary. Why don't we just stick with a good movie on the couch tonight, alone, safe." Saturn is the one that shapes us towards keeping within the realm of our knowledge, our experiences, our safety net. Things we have done, the things we know, he reminds us they are safe, and that we should stick to them. He is not totally negative, he gives us great drive for stability, security, working towards goals, usually set by him... and the capacity to have discipline within our lives and generally look after ourselves and not be reckless. For some people Saturn is extremely prominent and 'holds them back' from discovering and experiencing who they are, or who they could be.

I read an interesting article, in which the premise was that Saturn in some ways, governs our personal planets, he is the edge of our known. That Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto, represent the unknown and forces of change in our lives. That they are what make Saturn uncomfortable and force him to look at and sometimes experience the unknown. Take for example food, a lot of children are somewhat particular about what they eat. This is a self defense mechanism, they only eat what they know is okay, generally what they have had before. This could be Saturn whispering, "yes we've had that before, that tastes nice, we can eat that" or "Hmm I don't like the look of that, I've never seen it before, it might taste bad, best not to eat it... lets stick with that other food that we know". I feel this is applicable in many cases in our lives. Some people live more freely outside Saturn's influence, but it's finding a balance for yourself that is important.

When it comes to feeling unlovable, there may very well have been some experience in your life, that has led you to believe that. For it truly is not the case. It is a question of finding out what that experience was, and re-assuring Saturn that you are lovable. Everyone is capable of both giving and receiving love.

Xiiro has it absolutely right.

There are parts of our sub-concious that we act out in small ways, that we don't notice, but that everyone picks up on. Little signs our body screams out to those who would listen. It is these things that people pick up on, that show people our energy.

When it comes to booty calls and inexperience, it doesn't matter. I say that as a heterosexual male, at 23. It's just a booty call, if that is the road you choose for a while, then use it to discover the things you like, in the end it doesn't really matter.

More generally, when it comes to more or less experienced, personally I don't care. I don't understand this idea that Men prefer inexperienced girls, I think it comes from their own insecurities. Men hand out labels such as, "easy" to those girls who are free with their sexuality and enjoy themselves. I don't know whether it is because they are shying away from their own sexuality or they use it to convince themselves that such a woman is not so intimidating to them. I truly don't know, without asking someone who thinks like that why they feel the way they do. As for "guys" being a lot more honest around guys, I don't think that is true at all, at the deep seated core of any male - male interaction, is a need to "prove your worth" your masculinity and power, so I think this brings a lot of peer pressure to fit in with your fellow group of men and conform to the general beliefs, "women who enjoy their sexuality are easy" "Less experienced is better". The very thought that men might prefer less experienced women so they can 'corrupt' them? That sounds like they have a negative view of sex to me. To me it's a shared experience, and discovery, where both partners share and learn with each other, to discover the natural beauty and sensuality. Unlocking each other's sexuality. It isn't something that should be 'corrupted'.

I have never heard guys 'complain' either way whether experienced or inexperienced. Those guys who complain about women being too experienced, I think are either insecure, jealous, or just don't have a positive, natural, healthy view, idea, or outlook on sex. With someone more experienced, you can learn so much from them, about your own body, about theirs. It is very personal, and is different between every two people, but if you find someone who has that warm easy confidence as well as experienced, you are in for a wonderful time. I can't believe that anyone would complain if they were with someone who could play your body like it was a musical instrument. Again I feel they are either insecure, ungrateful or just not able to have a healthy outlook. Those who prefer less experienced, they don't know what they are missing out on. Everyone should make it a personal goal to help everyone they encounter to become more experienced. Society etc. has demonised sex incredibly, tried to make it seem as dirty, wrong, and unnatural as possible. Which makes me incredibly sad, this should not be.

I would be curious to hear the other side. What Women think and feel about more/less experienced guys and their outlook generally. Although that is probably another thread.

It does make you feel more attractive and confident, and this is true for men and women, why would you not feel that way when you know you are sexually desirable to others? Equally a booty call does miss a lot of intimacy which is often what the majority of people lack, even those in long term committed relationships.

Don't walk around looking for love, trying to search it out, focus on it, or otherwise force it. Just try to relax, live your life, do the things you enjoy doing, that make you happy. If you do enjoy yourself, you will be happier, and you will be more attractive because people will sense you are a happier person, and who doesn't want a slice of happiness in their life?

Easy to say, hard to do.

I wish you the very best, and don't fret.

- Chris

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posted January 08, 2013 12:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Swift Freeze:
You should try not to worry too much about Love, or falling in Love. Obviously thoughts and feelings are personal, and communicating such things is not the easiest thing to do. The reason why Love is such a difficult thing for a lot of people is fear. No one likes to have their love and their feelings rejected, but honestly, time will pass, and you will heal.

I can honestly say that in my own experiences, and I have Venus Sco sextile Saturn Cap, that I used to hold back my emotions and not show how or what I was truly feeling. It took just one moment to realise that opening some parts of myself up, to give to people was what I needed to do, to learn to accept it as well. It is so much easier to love someone who is open with themselves and gives freely of themselves, it helps to relax and encourage others to open up. People will always have hangups about love and intimacy, we're human, but at the same time, we need to realise that there isn't really a need for those hangups, they exist only in our minds, and no where else.

When it comes to Saturn, he only wants to protect us. He is the one that tells us; "Hmm we don't know about that, why don't we just leave it alone? We know nothing good ever comes from things we don't know, it might not be safe, it might be scary. Why don't we just stick with a good movie on the couch tonight, alone, safe." Saturn is the one that shapes us towards keeping within the realm of our knowledge, our experiences, our safety net. Things we have done, the things we know, he reminds us they are safe, and that we should stick to them. He is not totally negative, he gives us great drive for stability, security, working towards goals, usually set by him... and the capacity to have discipline within our lives and generally look after ourselves and not be reckless. For some people Saturn is extremely prominent and 'holds them back' from discovering and experiencing who they are, or who they could be.

I read an interesting article, in which the premise was that Saturn in some ways, governs our personal planets, he is the edge of our known. That Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto, represent the unknown and forces of change in our lives. That they are what make Saturn uncomfortable and force him to look at and sometimes experience the unknown. Take for example food, a lot of children are somewhat particular about what they eat. This is a self defense mechanism, they only eat what they know is okay, generally what they have had before. This could be Saturn whispering, "yes we've had that before, that tastes nice, we can eat that" or "Hmm I don't like the look of that, I've never seen it before, it might taste bad, best not to eat it... lets stick with that other food that we know". I feel this is applicable in many cases in our lives. Some people live more freely outside Saturn's influence, but it's finding a balance for yourself that is important.

When it comes to feeling unlovable, there may very well have been some experience in your life, that has led you to believe that. For it truly is not the case. It is a question of finding out what that experience was, and re-assuring Saturn that you are lovable. Everyone is capable of both giving and receiving love.

Xiiro has it absolutely right.

There are parts of our sub-concious that we act out in small ways, that we don't notice, but that everyone picks up on. Little signs our body screams out to those who would listen. It is these things that people pick up on, that show people our energy.

When it comes to booty calls and inexperience, it doesn't matter. I say that as a heterosexual male, at 23. It's just a booty call, if that is the road you choose for a while, then use it to discover the things you like, in the end it doesn't really matter.

More generally, when it comes to more or less experienced, personally I don't care. I don't understand this idea that Men prefer inexperienced girls, I think it comes from their own insecurities. Men hand out labels such as, "easy" to those girls who are free with their sexuality and enjoy themselves. I don't know whether it is because they are shying away from their own sexuality or they use it to convince themselves that such a woman is not so intimidating to them. I truly don't know, without asking someone who thinks like that why they feel the way they do. As for "guys" being a lot more honest around guys, I don't think that is true at all, at the deep seated core of any male - male interaction, is a need to "prove your worth" your masculinity and power, so I think this brings a lot of peer pressure to fit in with your fellow group of men and conform to the general beliefs, "women who enjoy their sexuality are easy" "Less experienced is better". The very thought that men might prefer less experienced women so they can 'corrupt' them? That sounds like they have a negative view of sex to me. To me it's a shared experience, and discovery, where both partners share and learn with each other, to discover the natural beauty and sensuality. Unlocking each other's sexuality. It isn't something that should be 'corrupted'.

I have never heard guys 'complain' either way whether experienced or inexperienced. Those guys who complain about women being too experienced, I think are either insecure, jealous, or just don't have a positive, natural, healthy view, idea, or outlook on sex. With someone more experienced, you can learn so much from them, about your own body, about theirs. It is very personal, and is different between every two people, but if you find someone who has that warm easy confidence as well as experienced, you are in for a wonderful time. I can't believe that anyone would complain if they were with someone who could play your body like it was a musical instrument. Again I feel they are either insecure, ungrateful or just not able to have a healthy outlook. Those who prefer less experienced, they don't know what they are missing out on. Everyone should make it a personal goal to help everyone they encounter to become more experienced. Society etc. has demonised sex incredibly, tried to make it seem as dirty, wrong, and unnatural as possible. Which makes me incredibly sad, this should not be.

I would be curious to hear the other side. What Women think and feel about more/less experienced guys and their outlook generally. Although that is probably another thread.

It does make you feel more attractive and confident, and this is true for men and women, why would you not feel that way when you know you are sexually desirable to others? Equally a booty call does miss a lot of intimacy which is often what the majority of people lack, even those in long term committed relationships.

Don't walk around looking for love, trying to search it out, focus on it, or otherwise force it. Just try to relax, live your life, do the things you enjoy doing, that make you happy. If you do enjoy yourself, you will be happier, and you will be more attractive because people will sense you are a happier person, and who doesn't want a slice of happiness in their life?

Easy to say, hard to do.

I wish you the very best, and don't fret.

- Chris

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posted January 08, 2013 04:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Xiiro,

Is that one of your paintings?

Or is it a photo?

So beautiful.

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That's nature, baby!

posted January 08, 2013 05:13 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Both Xiiro and Swift Freeze have made me think of Saturn as both the Hobbit or Gollum. Perhaps Bilbo Baggins is Venus, and Saturn is either Gollum or the tough, macho man that doubts Bilbo's value on the trip. I'm shocked I'm even referencing to the Hobbit right now, but there's a first for everything.

I also wonder if I'm giving too much credit to Venus square Saturn in this instance. Is it really this aspect that's preventing me from stepping out of my comfort zone? Or is this aspect simply responsible for irrational thinking such as "Oh, if only it was Spring then it would be appropriate (appropriate; rules; Saturn) to ride around enjoying the sunlight and listening to Robyn.(art = Venus)"

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Swift did such a fantastic job at explaining Saturn. I can tell he really groks how Saturn functions. I think there are always other parts of our chart that support specific "themes". The burden of those themes do not completely fall on the shoulders of any one specific aspect or chart element. In your case, the struggles with relationships should involve more than just Saturn square Venus, BUT that aspect is as good of a place to start as any.

In my experience Saturn is a major player in BOTH the force which keeps us from stepping out of our comfort zone, and the orchestrator of thoughts like "I'll start riding around listening to Robyn after I get a gym membership....someone could see me rocking out in my car and think I'm ugly". Saturn will utilize the habits and patterns developed by our other planets to get the results he wants. In a way our more personal planets can be used like game pieces. Shy Sun? - use it to avoid conflict, Quick Mercury? - Use it to talk your way out of danger, Aggressive Mars? - Use it to scare danger away, etc..

posted January 08, 2013 05:18 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Thank you I found this very helpful indeed and wonderfully written as well. I can't wait to sound like that when I write!

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Thank you, that is very kind of you to say, and very flattering. I am glad that you found even a tiny bit of it helpful, it felt more like an expulsion of thought onto a page, with some vague coherency.

Can I ask what is so wonderful about the way I write, and what it is, or how you want to sound when you write?

It is never just one aspect that is intrinsically linked to any particular thing. However, I believe Saturn generally has a strong say, hand, in the proceedings. As other people have said, you, and myself, are still young, and we have much to learn, all of life is a journey. Besides you gain extra brownie points for quoting The Hobbit, as enjoyable as the film was, it didn't compare to the book when I read it as a child. Probably because it was only a 1/3 of the book. Anyway... digression should occur. Saturn is something we learn about, throughout our lives, I've read a lot of people talking about their Saturn returns, so if you think it is interesting enough now, just wait until that roles around.

@Aquaguy91

My intention was not to offend or upset you, I understand that it may have come across that way. I was speaking generally about themes and issues. I know I disagree with some of the ideas and suggestions you put forth regarding, men's general outlook on sexuality and other things. I was just giving my own input on that particular topic of this thread.

@hannaramaa

Thank you again.

- Chris

posted January 08, 2013 05:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Swift Freeze:
Thank you, that is very kind of you to say, and very flattering. I am glad that you found even a tiny bit of it helpful, it felt more like an expulsion of thought onto a page, with some vague coherency.

Can I ask what is so wonderful about the way I write, and what it is, or how you want to sound when you write?

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It's you and Xiiro both! There is an elegance and maturity to each of your writing styles, whereas I feel I sound my age when writing, even when I try. Your paragraphs are always neatly even too, which I don't think is something that's a skill but it just happens for you guys when you write/post. I'm OCD about how my paragraphs look and they're always jagged. Virgo IC, what can I say? Lol.

posted January 08, 2013 06:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
I think there are always other parts of our chart that support specific "themes". The burden of those themes do not completely fall on the shoulders of any one specific aspect or chart element. In your case, the struggles with relationships should involve more than just Saturn square Venus, BUT that aspect is as good of a place to start as any.

In my experience Saturn is a major player in BOTH the force which keeps us from stepping out of our comfort zone, and the orchestrator of thoughts like "I'll start riding around listening to Robyn after I get a gym membership....someone could see me rocking out in my car and think I'm ugly". Saturn will utilize the habits and patterns developed by our other planets to get the results he wants. In a way our more personal planets can be used like game pieces. Shy Sun? - use it to avoid conflict, Quick Mercury? - Use it to talk your way out of danger, Aggressive Mars? - Use it to scare danger away, etc..

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Haha, thank you, it definitely feels like we are on a similar wavelength with the ol' taskmaster feeling. I feel like you captured it exactly as I feel it in your posts as well.

Life is full of themes and struggles, no one ever said it was easy. No one ever said it didn't have to be fun along the way either though. So I try my best to live freely and love life.

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
It's you and Xiiro both! There is an elegance and maturity to each of your writing styles, whereas I feel I sound my age when writing, even when I try. Your paragraphs are always neatly even too, which I don't think is something that's a skill but it just happens for you guys when you write/post. I'm OCD about how my paragraphs look and they're always jagged. Virgo IC, what can I say? Lol.

As for Saturn. He's in my 7th, at least he trines my Moon in Taurus but he also sextiles Neptune, and squares my Sun and Mercury in the 11H as well. Seems like Spirit wanted to give me a challenge in this lifetime for sure.

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Ah, thank you very much =)

Don't be so hasty to reach the age of wisdom and maturity. The young seek to leave it behind, the old try to cling to it, and those in between have little idea of the gifts they are discovering.

Writing may be a skill, but like all skills, it can be practised. It can be worked on, and it can be improved. Thank you Saturn... I think the best writers, are those that can convey their thoughts and emotions with the motion across the page. Those that draw you in to their world, make you believe, and inspire you in many ways. When it comes to getting paragraphs all neat and tidy, I understand it may be tough for your Virgo IC but life itself is very untidy, in a huge variety of ways, maybe it is something Saturn can help you work on...

Saturn in the 7th could be tough, I can see a lot more clearly now how Love can be a very serious thing for you. Saturn sitting in the house of relationships can put a very anti fun, dampening spirit on the whole process of partnership, and may make it feel more like a task or job, rather than a spiritual, emotional, and who the hell knows what else journey of discovery. He will also grant you great stability, and the ability to deal with anything that comes your way when it comes to relationships I feel. The ability not to be too deluded by love and recognise when things just won't work out and it is better to smile, and move on.

Life is very much about the journey, and enjoying every languid step along the paths you take.

- Chris

posted January 09, 2013 06:57 AM            

- Chris

posted January 09, 2013 07:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Swift Freeze:

If Saturn did not remind us of past experiences, we would not be so afraid.

If Saturn did not remind us of past experiences, we would never learn.

I want to be a cloud, light and fluffy, floating free sampling the beauty of life.

Not stuffed into a tiny windowless dark box, never to taste the beauty of life.

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Hi Chris,

Your writing does come out like poetry, as was noted on another thread.

posted January 09, 2013 07:24 AM            

Question for you, hanna, if you're inclined to answer:

Do you actually have trouble falling in love with guys, or do you just have trouble getting them to reciprocate and start a relationship with you?

posted January 09, 2013 11:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Great thread here, so much excellent input.

Question for you, hanna, if you're inclined to answer:

Do you actually have trouble falling in love with guys, or do you just have trouble getting them to reciprocate and start a relationship with you?

I mean, do you have trouble sustaining interest in men...like one little turn-off can spoil everything?

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I fall in love with guys who don't want me, so really it's not love but probably the idea that I'm infatuated with - right?

posted January 09, 2013 11:58 AM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I fall in love with guys who don't want me, so really it's not love but probably the idea that I'm infatuated with - right?

And yes, one little turn-off can spoil everything. I try really hard to not let it be and it's gotten better but that "voice" is still there.

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posted January 09, 2013 01:41 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I fall in love with guys who don't want me, so really it's not love but probably the idea that I'm infatuated with - right?

And yes, one little turn-off can spoil everything. I try really hard to not let it be and it's gotten better but that "voice" is still there.

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my mom is the exact same way,she falls in love with guys who are "mysterious" ,which means they dont share their feelings for her, which means they dont have feelings for her. but she insists on needing mystery and always gets invested in guys who dont feel the same way.

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What aspects does she have to Venus? Mars?

I'd also like to say for some reason right now men just BORE me to tears. I like having their attention for a short while (literally, as in days) and then I get bored. There are few men out there who have sexually aroused me and put that fire in my step. One was a Leo, one was a Capricorn, one was a Sag and one was an Aquarius. Four men, with the Aquarius teetering on the edge of not even falling into that category. Sigh. Relationships are an annoying process of life, but I know somehow my search won't be in vain.

posted January 09, 2013 05:52 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Just a word of advice. It's a lot easier if you learn to love the person who loves you than trying to get the person you love to love you.

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