posted April 03, 2014 07:07 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:

That makes sense... About young people.

Otherwise.. (not just to you).

MY thing is this.
People by this time KNOW some people are gay, same as we know many are straight. (I live in Iowa which I think was the second state to legalize gay marriage)
I don't go around announcing my straightness, I don't give out details of my sex life (like a member here thinks is appropriate - as well as people I have known irl)

Just like a member here, possibly in this thread but one for sure who doesn't post much. They don't announce it. I put two and two together. No biggie.
BE it if you are it and let that be that.

For those wondering.... Barbiegirl19 and I one, don't even mention our race even to each other for the most part.
We also keep our display of affection private. No one sees it. That's just how we are, our beliefs/opinions, we hang on to those.
This is just how we feel and it won't change.

No one here will change I believe.

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Did you know that - by 2014 is quite plain for two people of the opposite sex to be in a relationship? Even if we're to talk about interracial relationships:

Main article: Interracial marriage in the United States

Interracial marriage in the United States has been fully legal in all U.S. states since the 1967 Supreme Court decision that deemed anti-miscegenation laws unconstitutional, with many states choosing to legalize interracial marriage at much earlier dates. Anti-miscegenation laws have played a large role in defining racial identity and enforcing the racial hierarchy. The United States has many ethnic and racial groups, and interracial marriage is fairly common among most of them. Interracial marriages increased from 2% of married couples in 1970 to 7% in 2005[1][2] and 8.4% in 2010.

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Now, let's see how that goes for gays:

The American Psychological Association stated in 2004:

The institution of civil marriage confers a social status and important legal benefits, rights, and privileges. ... Same-sex couples are denied equal access to civil marriage. ... Same-sex couples who enter into a civil union are denied equal access to all the benefits, rights, and privileges provided by federal law to married couples ... The benefits, rights, and privileges associated with domestic partnerships are not universally available, are not equal to those associated with marriage, and are rarely portable ... Denial of access to marriage to same-sex couples may especially harm people who also experience discrimination based on age, race, ethnicity, disability, gender and gender identity, religion, and socioeconomic status ... the APA believes that it is unfair and discriminatory to deny same-sex couples legal access to civil marriage and to all its attendant benefits, rights, and privileges.

The American Sociological Association stated in 2004:

... a constitutional amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman intentionally discriminates against lesbians and gay men as well as their children and other dependents by denying access to the protections, benefits, and responsibilities extended automatically to married couples ... we believe that the official justification for the proposed constitutional amendment is based on prejudice rather than empirical research ... the American Sociological Association strongly opposes the proposed constitutional amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman.

The Canadian Psychological Association stated in 2006:

The literature (including the literature on which opponents to marriage of same-sex couples appear to rely) indicates that parents' financial, psychological and physical well-being is enhanced by marriage and that children benefit from being raised by two parents within a legally-recognized union. As the CPA stated in 2003, the stressors encountered by gay and lesbian parents and their children are more likely the result of the way society treats them than because of any deficiencies in fitness to parent. The CPA recognizes and appreciates that persons and institutions are entitled to their opinions and positions on this issue. However, CPA is concerned that some are mis-interpreting the findings of psychological research to support their positions, when their positions are more accurately based on other systems of belief or values. CPA asserts that children stand to benefit from the well-being that results when their parents' relationship is recognized and supported by society's institutions.

The American Anthropological Association stated in 2005:

The results of more than a century of anthropological research on households, kinship relationships, and families, across cultures and through time, provide no support whatsoever for the view that either civilization or viable social orders depend upon marriage as an exclusively heterosexual institution. Rather, anthropological research supports the conclusion that a vast array of family types, including families built upon same-sex partnerships, can contribute to stable and humane societies.

The American Academy of Pediatrics concluded in 2006, in an analysis published in the journal Pediatrics:

There is ample evidence to show that children raised by same-gender parents fare as well as those raised by heterosexual parents. More than 25 years of research have documented that there is no relationship between parents' sexual orientation and any measure of a child's emotional, psychosocial, and behavioral adjustment. These data have demonstrated no risk to children as a result of growing up in a family with 1 or more gay parents. Conscientious and nurturing adults, whether they are men or women, heterosexual or homosexual, can be excellent parents. The rights, benefits, and protections of civil marriage can further strengthen these families.

The United Kingdom's Royal College of Psychiatrists has stated:

... lesbian, gay and bisexual people are and should be regarded as valued members of society who have exactly similar [sic] rights and responsibilities as all other citizens. This includes ... the rights and responsibilities involved in a civil partnership ...

Health

In 2010, a Columbia University Mailman School of Public Health study examining the effects of institutional discrimination on the psychiatric health of lesbian, gay and bisexual (LGB) individuals found an increase in psychiatric disorders, including a more than doubling of anxiety disorders, among the LGB population living in states that instituted bans on same-sex marriage. According to the author, the study highlighted the importance of abolishing institutional forms of discrimination, including those leading to disparities in the mental health and well-being of LGB individuals. Institutional discrimination is characterized by societal-level conditions that limit the opportunities and access to resources by socially disadvantaged groups

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Even your GF's judgmental attitude towards gays - bares some proof on the type of judgement one can be subjected of - for being gay (as if they're plagued). And not surprisingly - that judgmental attitude shows the prejudicious influence of certain religious dogmas (like Christianity). That being said - same as every other minority (and not just minorities - same can be said about women rights activist) - gay people are still struggling with acceptance and equal rights. So - yeah, even to this day - it still takes some courage to admit that you're gay - and once they manage to make that step - they feel quite liberated and inclined to share their relief and happines with those whom they consider friends - maybe even to find out if they can still accept them.

That being said... back to - what i stated in the beginning: relationship between two people of opposite sex (be interracial) - is quite plain by 2014. Yet, some people - once they get in a relationship - they feel like bragging and sharing their happiness with the world and keep mentioning about it with every chance they get - even though the first announcement was... more than enough ("whatever" - as some would put it). Even more than that - it's a bigger deal - to admit that you're gay in a world that's still filled with sickening judgements about your truth and find it in your hearth to accept yourself and be happy with who you are - compared to what it means to start a relation with someone - which could be just another try - as the future of 2 people in a relationship can be uncertain, while - accepting yourself for who you are - that's a life time achievement (there's no going back from that). I hope that gave you a better perspective on why - this announcement can be a big thing for someone who's gay... as he's been like that for a long time - and finally found the courage to accept himself - to be happy and share that happiness with others.

posted April 03, 2014 07:10 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
What I find most absurd is that people actually believe people choose to be gay when they kill themselves over it! If it were a choice, then why not just choose not to be gay instead of choosing death?

'Course that's why I linked to that YT...here it is again for convenience sake:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08pK-YQYmEw

It's quite surreal when I think about it. I bet once upon a time there were people who killed themselves for being left handed, too.

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posted April 03, 2014 07:14 PM            

That's like wondering what men would be like if they could get pregnant.

Nice try...

posted April 03, 2014 07:21 PM            

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Originally posted by 7thGuardian:
Here's a different perspective on that: Imagine A World Where Being "Gay" is the Norm & Being "Straight" Would Be The Minority! [Short Film]

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posted April 03, 2014 07:32 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
What I find most absurd is that people actually believe people choose to be gay when they kill themselves over it! If it were a choice, then why not just choose not to be gay instead of choosing death?

'Course that's why I linked to that YT...here it is again for convenience sake:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08pK-YQYmEw

It's quite surreal when I think about it. I bet once upon a time there were people who killed themselves for being left handed, too.

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Okay here's a question. You can look at as a curiosity or argument...however...

Years ago in my hometown there was a park that all of this make homosexual activity was taking place at. The police did a sting and discovered that most were married to women and had children. This guy at work was married to a woman, has children. He's gay, yet continues to live with his ex wife today and takes care of her.

How does this happen? Why? Etc

The last guy is very open to questions and i asked him some pretty detailed questions.
His answer to one very graphic question (which I was genuinely curious about), "It's not really about enjoyment as pleasing your partner" which really doesn't sound like true... Idk... Attraction or desire. It sounds like choosing to do that act because you want to.

Granted... That's just one guy.

posted April 03, 2014 07:34 PM            

but.... Lesbian couples got me weak in the knees..
Maybe it's because I will never know what its like to be in a lesbian relationship..

I'm usually bored of romance movies but this film has be like.....

Like I had a boyfriend in hs and sneaking around between classes and kissing because he had to maintain a certain uhh heterosexuality because society is like LOL NOPE...

essentially I'm okay with everything now because it's exciting and I don't give a damn what people like my old ass aunt thinks with her vanilla life.

posted April 03, 2014 07:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
But Honestly I am kinda bored of hetero couples..
I don't go awww.
Im like cool...
y'all gonna breed sometime?

but.... Lesbian couples got me weak in the knees..
Maybe it's because I will never know what its like to be in a lesbian relationship..

I'm usually bored of romance movies but this film has be like.....

Like I had a boyfriend in hs and sneaking around between classes and kissing because he had to maintain a certain uhh heterosexuality because society is like LOL NOPE...

essentially I'm okay with everything now because it's exciting and I don't give a damn what people like my old ass aunt thinks with her vanilla life.

I just care about others because others because they kill themselves because they feel discouraged to love who they please.
That's kinda f'd up to me because love is really the only thing pure in this world.
and we have rules for that lol okay...

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posted April 03, 2014 07:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
Not in this lifetime. Maybe in the next 2000 years lol.
That's just not possible.

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You're missing the point (the message).
That's a short film entitled "Love is All You Need" - intended mainly for straight people - as a way of showing them the perspective of a minority persecuted by the majority. Thus - it shows a world where the roles are switched - where being gay is the norm - and a young girl realizes that she's straight (the equivalent of begging gay - in the real world) - and she's being treated like a diseases for that... by people with same attitude as yours. In the end - she kills herself - as she can't live with herself in a world where who she is (which wasn't harmful to anyone in any way) - is deemed as a disease (even by her parents). It's what Sibyl and PixieJane was trying to tell you in her previous posts - about your judgmental attitude and the danger it poses to those you judge.

Though, some people - can only learn this type of lessons the hard way, after their child kills himself - for their failure as compassionate human beings.

posted April 03, 2014 08:06 PM            

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Originally posted by 7thGuardian:
You're missing the point (the message).
That's a short film entitled "Love is All You Need" - intended mainly for straight people - as a way of showing them the perspective of a minority persecuted by the majority. Thus - it shows a world where the roles are switched - where being gay is the norm - and a young girl realizes that she's straight (the equivalent of begging gay - in the real world) - and she's being treated like a diseases for that... by people with same attitude as yours. In the end - she kills herself - as she can't live with herself in a world where who she is (which wasn't harmful to anyone in any way) - is deemed as a disease (even by her parents). It's what Sibyl and PixieJane was trying to tell you in her previous posts - about your judgmental attitude and the danger it poses to those you judge.

Though, some people - can only learn this type of lessons the hard way, after their child kills himself - for their failure as compassionate human beings.

Either way - life goes on.

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posted April 03, 2014 08:07 PM            

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posted April 03, 2014 08:08 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Okay here's a question. You can look at as a curiosity or argument...however...

Years ago in my hometown there was a park that all of this make homosexual activity was taking place at. The police did a sting and discovered that most were married to women and had children. This guy at work was married to a woman, has children. He's gay, yet continues to live with his ex wife today and takes care of her.

How does this happen? Why? Etc

The last guy is very open to questions and i asked him some pretty detailed questions.
His answer to one very graphic question (which I was genuinely curious about), "It's not really about enjoyment as pleasing your partner" which really doesn't sound like true... Idk... Attraction or desire. It sounds like choosing to do that act because you want to.

Granted... That's just one guy.

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EXACTLY.

posted April 03, 2014 08:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
Hahaha not you Ami. My most favorite LL user ever of course Kerosene

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Aww, I see Barbie. One time the hot water does not have me in it

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posted April 03, 2014 08:14 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Okay here's a question. You can look at as a curiosity or argument...however...

Years ago in my hometown there was a park that all of this make homosexual activity was taking place at. The police did a sting and discovered that most were married to women and had children. This guy at work was married to a woman, has children. He's gay, yet continues to live with his ex wife today and takes care of her.

How does this happen? Why? Etc

The last guy is very open to questions and i asked him some pretty detailed questions.
His answer to one very graphic question (which I was genuinely curious about), "It's not really about enjoyment as pleasing your partner" which really doesn't sound like true... Idk... Attraction or desire. It sounds like choosing to do that act because you want to.

Granted... That's just one guy.

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There's a park just like that in the next county over from where my rural relatives live, and it's a small town, too. It's like that because gays and bisexuals feel forced to hide themselves, so they get into marriages (sometimes under the mistaken belief that this will make them straight) but continue to be gay (or bisexual) on the side. If they were straight then they wouldn't choose to do it. Have you been tempted to go to the park (or sign up for a dating hookup ap) for a fast hookup? If not then it's not likely you're gay or bisexual. If you think that sounds like fun (but would choose to refrain for religious or ethical reasons) then you probably are. Of course many who are gay or bisexual wouldn't want to go to that park either. Orientation is about attraction, not sexual practices.

posted April 03, 2014 08:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Aww, I see Barbie. One time the hot water does not have me in it

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keep talking and somebody will find something wrong! LOL

posted April 03, 2014 08:17 PM            

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Originally posted by 7thGuardian:
Though, some people - can only learn this type of lessons the hard way, after their child kills himself - for their failure as compassionate human beings.

Either way - life goes on.

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Like this woman who lost her daughter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycbHnPhw8VQ

posted April 03, 2014 08:23 PM            

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I just care about others because others because they kill themselves because they feel discouraged to love who they please.
That's kinda f'd up to me because love is really the only thing pure in this world.

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posted April 03, 2014 08:24 PM            

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posted April 03, 2014 08:25 PM            

To be clear, I disapprove of the State involving itself in a personal relationship, gay, lesbian, traditional, at the end of the day it is b/t two ppl.

That said, also dislike any sense of consequences of actions, they are simply never talked about, or if they are, Fascistic Activists merely apply labels to avoid any serious discussion.

posted April 03, 2014 08:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Ellynlvx:
[QUOTE]I just care about others because others because they kill themselves because they feel discouraged to love who they please.
That's kinda f'd up to me because love is really the only thing pure in this world.

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Love One Another.[/QUOTE]

One of the most beautiful songs I've heard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJOP3v5g544

I have heard it said so many times, "Love is blind"
So why are you staring?
You say that love is all we need, well
Does that apply to me?
'Cause I have found someone
That I think is beautiful
And I have fallen in love
And I'm telling you
She
Means everything to me
She
Makes me feel nothing else matters
Not even what the world thinks of me

They told me when I was a little girl, "Love's a pearl -
You're lucky if you find it,
So share that precious beauty with the world,"
Now suddenly they say I've got to hide it

But I have found true love
And there is nothing you can do
Just try and stop me, just try and stop us
Good luck to you, 'cause
She
Means everything to me
She
Makes me feel nothing else matters
Not even what the world thinks of me
(She...she...she...)
It's simple as can be
I love her, she loves me
This is what everybody dreams of

There's nothing to be afraid of, there's nothing to be afraid of, after all it's
only love

posted April 03, 2014 08:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
EXACTLY.

SO WHY DO PEOPLE WANT GAY GUYS TO ASSIMILATE AND PRETEND TO BE STRAIGHT.

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Why do they feel the need to pretend in this day and age?
need to hide it is gone, yet that does not mean it needs to be shoved down people's throats.

I'm a bit extreme by today's standards though, I'll admit. I miss days gone by.
Example, JUST today before work I mentioned something to barbiegirl19.
A car insurance commercial came on that had some woman all dressed up like she was going out to a club, breasts popping out. I'm like, "okay. Why is that necessary to sell car insurance? Who's the sorry sap that'll check it out because of some woman? That crap WORKS??!"
Sell me the insurance... Not a woman. Pathetic
(which reminds me of the whole ridiculous thing the other day. See? It's not about men, or an individual like people were accusing me of. I just don't like that crap... Period.)