posted April 21, 2014 09:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
Raji - About 'the root of all evil' .. I've reached the conclusion that it's 'fear'.
I really think so much negativity in the world can be traced back to 'fear'.

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part of it, other part is a lack of direction.

Fear is a tool, it is there for a reason.

posted April 21, 2014 09:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:

Hah! I've been past rolled pennies broke and was still quite happy. What i learned is many things we are "told" we need, we in fact, do not need. My interests were very inexpensive, yet fulfilling AND beneficial

As an example "oh you need a nice car!"

Hmm, payments, gas insurance, i bike commuted, lost 70(!) pds, made lots of friends and completely enjoyed myself.

That time biking to college and work and going out was filled with a ipod, that i literally found in the rd, and it was loaded with language learning lessons, philosophy, business strategy, sales techniques etc.

Not some crappy ass pop music, or classic rock I've heard a million times

Total cost? 100 bucks

Also re-discovered my love for weight lifting, buy it once, use it forever.

If anyone tells you that "oh unless you have a great car, you'll never hook up with a woman"

They are lying, all that physical work, shedding the weight and adding muscle, really does make things much easier when finding a woman one may like and I'll leave it at that.

And on and on, making your own wine is incredibly easy and inexpensive. When one hangs out at places were the local foodie culture hangs out..one learns to cook great food, that is very inexpensive, and save even more $$$

Clothes, really depends on your style, if one has one, i literally wore out 5 pairs of jeans bike commuting, when your thighs go all Hulkish, it just destroys them..BUT, destressed jeans were en vogue last yr, instead of looking ragged..looked..stylish

This is some of the things i discovered all the while being "broke", being poor is a state of finances, being impoverished is a choice.

That said, will make more $$$ to scale up some of the skills i learned while "broke"

This is one of my points in all of this AG, we are told "you have to make lots of $$, THEN you will be happy!"

I'd bet even doughty YTA would tell you, all that happens is you exchange one set of problems for a new set of problems

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posted April 21, 2014 10:08 PM            

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I get what you are saying. I'm all for self improvement and learning new skills. I'm always trying to learn new stuff and reading up on topics that interest me at the moment. But I could still do all that stuff If I had money and could do even more cool stuff. I just hate being broke, perhaps its because I have been this way my whole life and i'm trying to escape. I'm not happy with my life, I want to better my situation. I'm tired of mediocrity.

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Don't misunderstand, not soft soaping you on being broke is wonderful and optimal.

What I am saying is adding money to a situation, when one is not ironed out internally, will not bring happiness or even make one very interesting.

If one can make it past YTA's blather, one does note he has a passion for his family and sports cars..ie..interesting guy
Millionaires get divorced regularly

As for mediocrity, the miserable middle, this does not come from a lack of money, it comes from a lack of interests and passions

What i discovered while broke as a bum is, ppl in social situations, really do not give two damns about how much money one pulls down, being basically selfish, they want to talk about..wait for it..themselves

Hearing one made 3 mil last yr..does them no good and is somewhat boring to be around. Follwing that simple dictum led me far more places then i ever went when making good $$.

posted April 21, 2014 10:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
Don't misunderstand, not soft soaping you on being broke is wonderful and optimal.

What I am saying is adding money to a situation, when one is not ironed out internally, will not bring happiness or even make one very interesting.

If one can make it past YTA's blather, one does note he has a passion for his family and sports cars..ie..interesting guy
Millionaires get divorced regularly

As for mediocrity, the miserable middle, this does not come from a lack of money, it comes from a lack of interests and passions

What i discovered while broke as a bum is, ppl in social situations, really do not give two damns about how much money one pulls down, being basically selfish, they want to talk about..wait for it..themselves

Hearing one made 3 mil last yr..does them no good and is somewhat boring to be around. Follwing that simple dictum led me far more places then i ever went when making good $$.

As Disraeli once said, talk to someone about themselves, and they will listen for hours

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posted April 21, 2014 11:00 PM            

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Socializing usually costs money... You gotta have gas money to get there, you gotta have money to go on the trips whether it be to a restaurant, movie, club, concert,amusement parks,spring break trips etc. this is crap most people my age are doing on atleast a semi-regular basis and I'm not able to do any of this much because of my financial situation and the fact that i'm working crazy hours just to stay afloat. At the moment I am putting all of my energy into finding a good job and trying to find a way out of this funk. So most of the time my situation prevents me from socializing like I want to.

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Look at is as an opportunity, and no, socializing does not have to cost a great deal of cash, my budget was..20 bucks

Biked everywhere, no gas cost, go to places with no cover charge, never felt i was "missing" anything, in fact what normally happens is i get invited to come along

It is really not easy to describe how it works and i don't believe i can explain how it all works, just keep in mind, you attract what you already have. If poor and miserable and alone is the mindset, that is what is attracted into your life.

To be unpolitik, that is what God/the Universe will give out.

As an example, learned a bit of Chinese, made two close friends just from that one, and had European tourists buying whatever i wanted to imbibe b/c..it was interesting

It all works together in ways that are impossible to understand. This is why my OP was $$$, or an interesting life.

What i've learned about life is the mind and mindset, matters far far more then most ppl realize. Also grasped, there are opportunities EVERYWHERE if one simply knows how to look and work and speak of them.

Empty field..that is a good spot for an organic non GMO garden. No car? Opportunity to bike commute. No money? Have an internet connection chance to learn everything from coding to earning a Biblical Studies diploma. Crappy house? Opportunity to improve it

Mid week and no $$? Good time to work out and create everything from Wine to Vinegar all in oh, an hour or so, products that can be traded or given as gifts saving $$ and they do not come anymore hand crafted.

All mindset, mostly free or low cost

And when one does such things, no longer are you "mediocre Joe Avg w/no money"

posted April 21, 2014 11:30 PM            

I do make a lot of my gifts these days, since I stopped working. Sure, we could rake up the credit card to buy for our 11 closest family members at Christmas time, but we choose not to. What I do buy for people around the holidays is usually bought locally, to support small local businesses. With some family members, it's easier to buy gift cards but I try not to do that if I can make something they like, or buy something locally.

We bought my mother in-law a new TV for her birthday, and my mom a new camera. If we hadn't had the money to do that, we still would have felt fine about it.

My brother in-law made an amazing walking stick for my husband for Christmas one year, with a compass at the tip, and it is something that my husband cherishes.

I find people who drive to work when they could walk, bike, or take the bus/train/subway to be gluttonous and lazy, personally. No offense intended to anyone. I just do.

My husband almost bought a rider lawnmower for our yard, and I threw a raging fit. I was like "Are you f**king serious?! You want to spend money to go to the gym, instead of just mowing your own yard and getting a workout?! NO." It represents everything I loathe about this culture.

Anyway, that's sort of a rant.

But even in the sh*t town that I grew up in, people can see decent bands from the city for under $10, and meet other people with at least similar taste in music or other things.

I think they might even have an Art Walk there...
Even most small towns have *something* to offer in that sense. And many women don't care about money. It's necessary to pay bills and buy food, or fix things when need be. If you want to travel, it's somewhat necessary. But there are usually interesting places to go to that are not that inaccessible, regardless of where you live.

posted April 21, 2014 11:48 PM            

Why in the world would i pay for a car and the expenses, and a gym membership (w/ spin classes..lol) when i can have the utility and health benefits AND learn new things?

To top that off, how many do the gym/car things to scurry home to a place they hate?

That to me, is insane, or more of a disconnection from the possible in favor of what we all have been "told" to do?

Edit, of all of the working out i've done, the most utility is found in Farmer Carries, heavy weight, take two 60 pd friends with me half a mile rd trip to the mailbox and back..ZOMG Violets

Talk about going to the next level, merely taking what one does everyday, and amping it up a bit, been told that is "Blue Zone"

posted April 21, 2014 11:51 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I am not happy with my life because I dont have enough money, that is my problem. I'm tired of being broke and all of my energy is going towards looking for better jobs at the moment so I can improve my situation. As for the law of attraction junk.. I dont put any stock in it.

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And there you are, low energy, relentlessly negative, bitter.

Oh that'll work, let me know how that job hunt turns out for you

I'm not wealthy in $$ atm, not by any stretch, Spiritually I'm quite wealthy, can still do charity, chat with models, and have a attractive woman wild about me and very very jealous and am advancing in my goals at the same time.

Rabbit foot up my arse?

posted April 22, 2014 12:35 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
So i'm relentlessly negative and bitter because I have different priorities right now? My priority is to get a good job and make money because I have never had financial stability in my life and thats what I crave, I am a taurus moon afterall. I dont care to hear a narrative about the power of positive thinking. You know what would make me feel positive and content right now? $$$$$$

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Nope, you are relentlessly bitter and negative b/c, you are relentlessly bitter and negative, adding money will not transform you w/a tinkerbell wand filled with pixie dust

posted April 22, 2014 12:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
Nope, you are relentlessly bitter and negative b/c, you are relentlessly bitter and negative, adding money will not transform you w/a tinkerbell wand filled with pixie dust

Suspect this simple concept eludes you and always will

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posted April 22, 2014 12:54 AM            

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You know what would make me feel positive and content right now? $$$$$$

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AG Be careful what you wish for in LL cause you just might get it!

The Pussycat Dolls - When I Grow Up Lyrics

Boys call you sexy (What's up sexy?), and you don't care what they say
See everytime you turn around they're screamin' your name

(Darkchild)

Now I got a confession (haha, ha, ha ha)
When I was young I wanted attention (haha, ha, ha ha)
And I promised myself that I'd do anything (haha, ha, ha ha)
Anything at all for them to notice me (haha, ha, ha ha)

But I ain't complaining
We all wanna be famous
So go ahead and say what you wanna say
You know what it's like to be nameless
Want them to know what your name is
'Cause see when I was younger I would say

When I grow up I wanna be famous,
I wanna be a star, I wanna be in movies
When I grow up I wanna see the world,
drive nice cars, I wanna have groupies
When I grow up, be on tv, people know me, be on magazines
When I grow up, Fresh and clean,
number one chick when I step out on the scene

But be careful what you wish for cause
you just might get it
you just might get it
you just might get it

But be careful what you wish for cause
you just might get it
you just might get it
you just might get it

They used to tell me I was silly
Until I popped up on the TV (lala la, la la)
I always wanted to be a superstar
Who knew singing songs would get me this far (lala la, la la)

But I ain't complaining
We all wanna be famous
So go ahead and say what you wanna say
You know what it's like to be nameless
Want them to know what your name is
'Cause see when I was younger I would say

When I grow up I wanna be famous,
I wanna be a star, I wanna be in movies
When I grow up I wanna see the world,
drive nice cars, I wanna have groupies
When I grow up, be on tv, people know me, be on magazines
When I grow up, Fresh and clean,
number one chick when I step out on the scene

But be careful what you wish for cause
you just might get it
you just might get it
you just might get it

But be careful what you wish for cause
you just might get it
you just might get it
you just might get it

I see you staring at me
Oh I'm a trendsetter
Yes this is true cus what I do, no one can do it better
You could talk about me, cause I'm a hot topic
I see you watching me watching me and I know you want it

When I grow up I wanna be famous,
I wanna be a star, I wanna be in movies
When I grow up I wanna see the world,
drive nice cars, I wanna have groupies
When I grow up, be on tv, people know me, be on magazines
When I grow up, fresh and clean,
number one chick when I step out on the scene

But be careful what you wish for cause
you just might get it
you just might get it
you just might get it

But be careful what you wish for cause
you just might get it
you just might get it
you just might get it

When I grow up I wanna be famous,
I wanna be a star, I wanna be in movies
When I grow up I wanna see the world,
drive nice cars, I wanna have groupies
When I grow up, be on tv, people know me, be on magazines
When I grow up, Fresh and clean,
number one chick when I step out on the scene

But be careful what you wish for cause
you just might get it
you just might get it
you just might get it

But be careful what you wish for cause
you just might get it
you just might get it
you just might get it

Yeah
(Darkchild)

posted April 22, 2014 12:55 AM            

AG has a Taurus Moon and a stellium in Capricorn. Having financial stability could bring him emotional happiness because he would feel a lot calmer and carefree.
Earth signs stress a great deal about money.

posted April 22, 2014 01:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
Well.. Padre you're a Sag with Leo/Scorpio in your chart.

AG has a Taurus Moon and a stellium in Capricorn. Having financial stability could bring him emotional happiness because he would feel a lot calmer and carefree.
Earth signs stress a great deal about money.

Everyone is different. You can't make a Taurus Moon person 'feel' the same way a Leo Moon person does.. mainly when the Leo Mooner (i.e. *you*) has little earth in their chart.

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All true, the reason is, I've seen AG, i used to be AG.

If broke and miserable is his mindset, what in the wide world would ever change it.

A larger paycheck?

posted April 22, 2014 01:30 AM            

I can understand AG's perspective, in a sense. It kind of depends on where you live, and the types of resources that are available.

I was also very poor when I moved to the city, but there were resources. It was difficult some days, though. I did roll my pennies for something as simple as food.

Thankfully, living in a city like Seattle has many benefits. You can ride the bus for very little cash, and get to work just fine. There were many days that I didn't even have bus fare, and had to walk uphill and back down to get to work.
But...guess what? I'm in excellent shape physically.

Also, the low income apartment buildings in the city I lived in were nice. The people who lived there were mostly struggling artists, musicians, college students, people who worked in social services and got paid sh*t wages, etc.

Being totally and completely broke financially is not fun, but living within your means can be just fine.

I lived within my means for many years, not making much at all. I still dated attractive and intelligent guys, went to the shows I wanted to see, and had a social life.

Sometimes I think it really does depend on where you live, how you think you want to live, and your priorities in life.

I'm a Pisces Sun, but I have a Virgo Moon in 2nd and Capricorn Mars in 6th, and Taurus MC.

Still, the only reason I really concern myself with money at the moment is for my son's well being. But my husband grew up with periods of being poor, and he turned out to be a decent human being with a "respectable" job that he can't stand.

posted April 22, 2014 07:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
7th Guardian - Fear does play a very important role from an evolutionary pov.. That's true.
But that isn't exactly a counter-argument to fear being the root of all evil

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It is - but you're not looking at the bigger picture. People can be controlled through fear - but not because of fear, but - cause of their ignorance. If someone could take away their fear - they'd still be controllable - through manipulation. On the other hand - if they wise-up and stop being ignorant - they can't be controlled anymore and their fear falls into place.

Fear is an instinctual emotion with a defensive purpose. It reacts both to known danger and "unknown" - but as i mentioned in my previous post - it has more that one purposes. Our evolution would be one of them - but the main role of fear is "our survival".

An example:

Let's say we have a young girl - raised under a doctrine that impairs her views on life (what she could do in life - as a women) - and that's because under that doctrine - women are suppose to be feeble and obedient to male figures - thus, drastically limiting her views on womanhood (her understanding of what it means to be a women) and same goes for her potential of growth - as a human with equal rights. Unfortunately - this is not a fictional example (see islamic doctrine and the social views of their people).

Where's the real evil in above equation: in fear or ignorance?

In that type of place - fear increases her chances of survival and, if... maybe.... one day she'd manage to emigrate to a country where that type of ignorance is not a dominant factor - her past fears would eventually dissipate.

Fear of the dark for example, is actually - fear of the unknown - of what can't be seen (what lies in darkness). Though, if you turn-on a light - the unknown becomes known and the fear is gone - or focused on a possible danger (if let's say - a burglar decided to pay you a visit).

For most part fear is actually positive (necessary) - while ignorance is rarely good. Cause there are times when even ignorance has its benefits - in times when "ignorance is bliss". Let's say an asteroid is about to strike the place you live - in the next 5 hours or so... Even if you'd learn about it - 5 hours in advance, it's an asteroid - so there wouldn't be enough time to escape its impact. Thus - you could fear an imminent danger in all that time - yet, if you didn't knew about it - you'd go on with your life as you normally would till the time of impact. Though, even with the given fear - I'd rather know about it, as i can deal with fear - but being ignorant about it - would imply a big disappointment and i wouldn't want that to be the last thing i could feel.

posted April 22, 2014 06:53 PM            

“Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith,” said Alexis de Tocqueville, who also noted Americans’ particular respect for money and those who possess it.

What would the most famous non-American commentator on America have to say about today’s rich behaving badly, from Wall Street banksters voting themselves fabulous bonuses while running too-big-to-fail banks into the ground to the Koch Brothers buying governor’s mansions and statehouses nationwide?

If he were still around, I’ll bet de Tocqueville would commission an artist to do up a graphic like the one below, “Mo’ Money Mo’ Problems.” It shows that rich people really are nastier drivers, bigger tax cheats and worse mortgage deadbeats. Maybe you suspected it already? Now you know for sure.