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Ellynlvx
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posted June 06, 2014 07:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just want a guy on the bottom half, and a girl on the top.

And I want it to be real, not manmade.

Mermaids will be considered.

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BellaFenice
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posted June 06, 2014 07:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lexxigramer:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by BellaFenice:
[b] If this is supposed to be some subtle shade for me calling you out for using a LGBT slur, then I stand by what I said. It is not a word to be said period, doesn't matter how you "define" it. The mockery of genitalia isn't the best response either.

I have two friends who identify themselves as transsexual and they do not like having this word thrown around. So making light of this word just isn't humorous. That's why I responded in the first place.

Edit: if you ever take issue with something I say, just tell me.


Just for the record;
transsexuals are not intersex (formerly known as hermaphrodite)
Intersex was called hermaphrodite.

[/B][/QUOTE]

Hey Lexxi, I'm well aware of the differences. The reason I brought my friends up is because they know people who are considered intersexed, and along with many others in the LGBT community, don't condone the use of the word. I should have added more context to my post, sorry for the confusion!

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posted June 06, 2014 07:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I think that young guys need to learn the power of saying "no" to a woman, and women should embrace the power of "yes" in an open and honest way

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Lexxigramer
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posted June 06, 2014 07:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
Hey Lexxi, I'm well aware of the differences. The reason I brought my friends up is because they know people who are considered intersexed, and along with many others in the LGBT community, don't condone the use of the word. I should have added more context to my post, sorry for the confusion!
Thank you for explaining.
Not your fault one of my irks;
I am offended at the LGBT community because even they are usually rather ignorant as to what intersex means, and to my dismay often downright mean and nasty about it.
I am not accepted by most in the LGBT community.
We are not part of the LGBT label.
The "T" does NOT mean intersex persons.
The few intersex people I have known are not generally offended by the outdated hermaphrodite label; even though it is inaccurate.
I am not transgendered.
I am not transsexual.
I am not gay, bi, lesbian, or straight.
Closer to Androgyne.
I do not identify as any gender.


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Ellynlvx
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posted June 06, 2014 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Belong

See, I knew you belonged on my porch swing.

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BellaFenice
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posted June 06, 2014 07:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Padre35:

I think that young guys need to learn the power of saying "no" to a woman, and women should embrace the power of "yes" in an open and honest way


Very open ended statement- just in general or do you have any particular scenarios in mind?

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BellaFenice
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posted June 06, 2014 07:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lexxigramer:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by BellaFenice:
[b] Hey Lexxi, I'm well aware of the differences. The reason I brought my friends up is because they know people who are considered intersexed, and along with many others in the LGBT community, don't condone the use of the word. I should have added more context to my post, sorry for the confusion!

Thank you for explaining.
Not your fault one of my irks;
I am offended at the LGBT community because even they are usually rather ignorant as to what intersex means, and to my dismay often downright mean and nasty about it.
I am not accepted by most in the LGBT community.
We are not part of the LGBT label.
The "T" does NOT mean intersex persons.
The few intersex people I have known are not generally offended by the outdated hermaphrodite label; even though it is inaccurate.
I am not transgendered.
I am not transsexual.
I am not gay, bi, lesbian, or straight.
Closer to Androgyne.
I do not identify as any gender.

[/B][/QUOTE]

I completely agree with the above. I respect what LGBT organizations have accomplished and are striving for and fully support this. However, as you said above, these organizations are not perfect and need to do a little better on being more inclusive to those who don't fit the exact definition of LGBT.

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posted June 06, 2014 07:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
Very open ended statement- just in general or do you have any particular scenarios in mind?

It is what I specialize in

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Lexxigramer
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posted June 06, 2014 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
I completely agree with the above. I respect what LGBT organizations have accomplished and are striving for and fully support this. However, as you said above, these organizations are not perfect and need to do a little better on being more inclusive to those who don't fit the exact definition of LGBT.
Yes they have done an absolutely fabulous job of helping people become more accepting and understanding of folks in the LGBT community!
Seriously though;
I do not think/feel intersex fits in wqith either heterosexuals or LGBT people very well.
Like I said;
Androgyne is the best fit for us.

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BellaFenice
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posted June 06, 2014 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Padre35:
It is what I specialize in

Lol you could at least answer my question! I'm a Mercury-Pluto person, have to know everything!

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Padre35
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posted June 07, 2014 01:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

And then are times when the wounded ones, the outcast ones, come to you.

How can a man relate to a terrible situation for a woman, one that scars and binds?

Does not speak highly of men's lust, and women do suffer through it then "..oh gee..just go on w/life.."

I state that b/c from a male pov, can see and feel the pain, what would be the comfort tho/

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posted June 07, 2014 07:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Padre - You just want to live in an imaginary world where every woman wants to marry you - while you keep saying "no" and running away.

This is Padre's (and many male Sagittarians') idea of paradise:

Sure! They'll tell you it's not. But it *really* is!

Why?

I don't know...

It beats me. The fact is they *realllllly* want to be with a woman who wants to have a serious relationship with them, so that they can perpetually say 'No' to her, and reinforce their independence.

Because when they find a woman who couldn't give a flying f*** about commitment.. e.g. myself and MANY others out there... they either become skeptical in sheer disbelief that this could be true - or - alternatively call her "cold" and "not feminine enough".

The Sagittarian dilemma: How can I find a woman who gives me a lot of space - whilst also being a clingy maniac who needs me around 24/7 & strokes my gigantic ego?

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I think that young guys need to learn the power of saying "no" to a woman

And that is one power a Sagittarius will know everything about.. Yup.. Because they only date clingy women with low self-esteem who think they are "The One" and propose every second week - at which point the Sagittarian, can once again practice his amazing ability to say "No"
I must admit - this story would get a little repetitive and sad, if it wasn't so funny.

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Does not speak highly of men's lust, and women do suffer through it then

Indeed. Women suffer. The sensitive little water-influenced, fairytale lovers of the world suffer.

Do I personally suffer because of "men's lust" as you put it? Nope.

They can be as lusty as they like - as far as I'm concerned.. if it makes them happy.

^^ But would you be with an Aries girl? LOL
Of course not Why would any Sagittarian do such a thing? Poor thing would have nothing to complain about all damn day long...

Your only actual relationships were with two Libra girls (the sign of marriage!!) and they both pestered you about commitment...
Isn't that coincidental?

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posted June 07, 2014 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Love that pic, Odette

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posted June 09, 2014 09:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Swift Freeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
One thing that always bugs me about these discussions is the majority of the criticism is always focused on the dating challenged man. We are perceived as having tons of flaws and having unrealistic standards etc. but what people don't want to discuss is the fact that many women price themselves out of the market because they have an unrealistically high opinion of themselves and their attractiveness.. For example Padre is always telling me to "be interesting" and "have hobbies" as if I am not interesting and have hobbies already. But what he fails to realize is the fact that I get rejected by plain and boring women... So is all the onus on men to be interesting and attractive now? Because sometimes it sure seems that way... Granted I am all for self improvement but are men the only ones who need to improve? Or am I just imagining all the boring and conventionally unattractive women out there?

What is it, that you actually want a relationship for?
Why do you want a girlfriend?

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PixieJane
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posted June 09, 2014 10:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Swift Freeze:
What is it, that you actually want a relationship for?
Why do you want a girlfriend?



I think this sums it up:

While I'm at it check out "the secrets of men (a guide for women)" here.

It's too perfect, I just ran into these before coming here.

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Faith
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posted June 09, 2014 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just saw this article:

‘Dating Lesson’ Asks Eighth-Grade Girls To Publicly Declare How Far They Will Go Sexually

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Officials at the taxpayer-funded school defended the exercise, calling it a dating lesson.

Sure, they're just young girls, whatever ya wanna make them do is fine.

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posted June 09, 2014 10:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Odette:
Padre - You just want to live in an imaginary world where every woman wants to marry you - while you keep saying "no" and running away.

This is Padre's (and many male Sagittarians') idea of paradise:

Sure! They'll tell you it's not. But it *really* is!

Why?

I don't know...

It beats me. The fact is they *realllllly* want to be with a woman who wants to have a serious relationship with them, so that they can perpetually say 'No' to her, and reinforce their independence.

Because when they find a woman who couldn't give a flying f*** about commitment.. e.g. myself and MANY others out there... they either become skeptical in sheer disbelief that this could be true - or - alternatively call her "cold" and "not feminine enough".

The Sagittarian dilemma: How can I find a woman who gives me a lot of space - whilst also being a clingy maniac who needs me around 24/7 & strokes my gigantic ego?

Indeed. Women suffer. The sensitive little water-influenced, fairytale lovers of the world suffer.

Do I personally suffer because of "men's lust" as you put it? Nope.

They can be as lusty as they like - as far as I'm concerned.. if it makes them happy.

^^ But would you be with an Aries girl? LOL
Of course not Why would any Sagittarian do such a thing? Poor thing would have nothing to complain about all damn day long...

Your only actual relationships were with two Libra girls (the sign of marriage!!) and they both pestered you about commitment...
Isn't that coincidental?


You missed the Virgo as well, at least you are thinking of me Odette....oddly..I rarely speak of my serious LTR's..those tended to end very badly..

And oh my no, women who want no commitment are my cup o' tea..tho have to be honest here, in that situation there is nothing quite as enjoyable as looking all serious and saying:

"I need to ask you a serious question"

or

"I have something to tell you"

Reaction..just priceless..eyes get wide..slight step back in preparation of an incoming "Do you love me" or "I love you" bomb incoming..usually I just ask something a bit silly like "do you know which way is North from here"?

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posted June 09, 2014 10:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Turkey

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posted June 09, 2014 10:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ellynlvx:
Turkey

Annnd..then some..

Suspect sooo many guys are just so willing to say "I love you, I'll do this for you, that for you" then never can live up to it all

Poor girl has a built in reaction to what they think is coming..then deflating the balloon of negative expectations..is a lot of irresistible bait for the Saggie in me

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posted June 09, 2014 11:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Padre35:

Reaction..just priceless..eyes get wide..slight step back in preparation of an incoming "Do you love me" or "I love you" bomb incoming..usually I just ask something a bit silly like "do you know which way is North from here"?


Oh jesus that sounds like something I would say! Can't fault you on this one.

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posted June 11, 2014 01:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xodian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For those who have been complaining over and over again that Modern Women aren't forward with their intentions as to what exactly they want, well, my experience this morning will change your mind .

So this morning, I parked my car near a Tim Horton's to get my morning cup of Joe. And when I came back, I found this on the Windshield (Name and number has been blurred to protect the guilty: )

Ego boost x infinity maybe? Lol! If this was legit then gotta say ladies, way to go in taking the initiative (and I don't mean that sarcastically.)

Sadly, this woman is going after the wrong guy and I did what any man in my position would do; Rip that note up. Though I hope this doesn't discourages her and she continues being her confident self.

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posted June 11, 2014 02:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12muddy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ellynlvx:


Mermaids will be considered.


haha

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I read about AG's experiences n yeah I guess I want to tell a bit about mine too - kinda the other side of the coin.

Years ago I read a book named "How to be a Hepburn in a Hilton's world". I picked it up because I thought the title was quite intriguing, not because I was looking for lifestyle tips lol. Can't remember all of it but in one section the author mentions how women should let men "chase" them, shouldn't make the 1st move n that if he doesn't have to "work for it" he wouldn't really appreciate the relationship. Bah.

Idk if that view is popular. But ime I've heard some people expressing similar opinions.

To me waiting for things to happen is frustrating. I'd much rather take things in my own hands. With my s.o, I made the 1st move. Told him I liked him and would like to exchange numbers so we could talk more.

Bah I know people who still look down on women who do that. It's not like we're living in the 17th century.

When my cousin tried online dating she had that problem. Some found it weird that she would asked them out first - thought she was too aggressive. Some thought it meant that she was "easy" so they started to behave disrespectfully.

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