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Topic: Top 4 Character Traits Women Crave
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Swanlake
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posted March 11, 2015 06:10 PM
 
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
What's interesting to me is that here we are in the age of feminism and women are getting off to stuff about abusive men (50 Shades of Grey). It's also interesting to me that women born pre-feminism were attracted to nice guy types. Fastforward to today and you've got 20 something women majoring in womens studies and blogging about domestic violence and rape culture while they are dating bad boy types and fantasizing about Christian Grey. Contradiction much? 
You might be interested to know, and few people are aware that FEMINISM is actually
a social engineering exercise that was introduced/ designed to deliberately destroy the traditional FAMILY..and thereby, Western Society... How the Rockerfellers Re- Engineered Women http://www.savethemales.ca/001904.html All these years later one can truly observe how successful it has been ! IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted March 11, 2015 06:29 PM
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Originally posted by Swanlake:
You might be interested to know, and few people are aware that FEMINISM is actually
a social engineering exercise that was introduced/ designed to deliberately destroy the traditional FAMILY..and thereby, Western Society...How the Rockerfellers Re- Engineered Women http://www.savethemales.ca/001904.html All these years later one can truly observe how successful it has been !
I believe that feminism is toxic to society, but I don't believe it was started with bad intentions. I believe it was started in good faith but the path to hell is paved with good intentions. I once heard someone say, in regards to marriage, "you can't have an organization without a leader. If you don't have a leader everything will fall apart". I think that's why over 50% of marriages fall apart. There's alot of confusion and frustration in relationships between men and women because there's no set leadership. You see women cutting down their husbands and challenging their authority but then the same women expect men to just take charge in other situations. Both men and women are very confused.....IP: Logged |
Xodian
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posted March 11, 2015 06:38 PM
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Originally posted by Swanlake:
You might be interested to know, and few people are aware that FEMINISM is actually
a social engineering exercise that was introduced/ designed to deliberately destroy the traditional FAMILY..and thereby, Western Society...How the Rockerfellers Re- Engineered Women http://www.savethemales.ca/001904.html All these years later one can truly observe how successful it has been !
And here I thought that the MGTOW movement was suffering from a hilariously bad case of "victim" complex. I don't even know where to begin correcting the assessment presented in that article. Well, I tried a few times and just ended up failing miserably because I just couldn't stop laughing. Jist or the article: Women are naturally programmed to be subservient and the Corporations are hampering their natural state of being happy little docile lambs; Thereby destroying Western Society. Riiiiiggghhhhhttt... If corporations are guilty of providing freedom to women and letting them choose their own roles in society then hell! Long Live Capitalism  !
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Padre35
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posted March 12, 2015 02:09 AM
I would buy into the article save for consistently seeing and hearing women saying they wanted that..then going for the exact opposite of what they just said she wantedL..O...L One of the problems imo, is a mix of emotional and rational thinking and conflict that goes on..at the same time. Noticed integrity was mentioned..in other people..now delve into emotional integrity, spoken integrity, financial integrity etc etc..things change..caveats magically appear All under the rubric of "it's complicated, I'm not sure how I feel" Will say this once, those are traits they want in their partners, not in themselves in a way they cannot excuse away :lol: IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted March 12, 2015 07:08 AM
Aqua Guy -People who have been through many ups and downs in life - in their childhood and teen years... who have seen their parents go through insane relationships and so on - will NOT want any more excitement in their lives. So they will not be attracted to a "bad boy" or a "bad girl". Because they've seen too much drama already!
The majority of people with this -profile- will want a calm and steady relationship. People who are bored, who have had relatively easy - run of the mill - lives and come from very calm, caring, normal families - might end up craving the excitement a "bad boy" or "bad girl" would bring.
Because, as I said, they are bored... and they don't really have any responsibilities or problems (including financial problems)... So they actually have nothing else to do with themselves. They need an "adventure"  PS. There are those who will tell you that things happen the other way around, that people who come from a caring family with two parents who managed to stay together and make things work - will be drawn to stable relationships.
And, on the other hand - people who come from a so-called broken family, will always pick toxic partners. But in my experience ^^ this is just NOT how it works... IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted March 12, 2015 07:19 AM
You know ... some time ago... AG - I made a list for you of the personality types of women who would be attracted to jerks - and their potential reasons.
I remember one was - wanting to mother the jerk.. Another was wanting to reform the jerk and help him become a better, well-adjusted jerk. I can't remember all the others...But in any event - I changed my mind now. I actually think the first and foremost reason anyone would be attracted to a jerk is boredom and craving more adventure in one's life. So what you need to do - is meet more women who are not bored, who have interesting lives and who are not so thrill-seeking on a romantic level. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted March 12, 2015 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by Swanlake:
You might be interested to know, and few people are aware that FEMINISM is actually
a social engineering exercise that was introduced/ designed to deliberately destroy the traditional FAMILY..and thereby, Western Society...How the Rockerfellers Re- Engineered Women http://www.savethemales.ca/001904.html All these years later one can truly observe how successful it has been !
Nasty article. I only read the beginning and saw the idea: women's role (instinct) is to self-sacrifice in love, for the man. Nauseating primitive biblic idea that some people are born to be slaves for others. Being devoted to your passions/people you love is not gender related and different from "self-sacrifice", no gender or group of people are born with this role yikes! An article written by one of those nostalgics after being the master and the owner of the "souls" in their household, women included ------------------
I seem to have loved you in numberless forms... LeeLoo's Esotericorner IP: Logged |
elixir
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posted March 12, 2015 09:47 AM
I agree with these, but another important one for me is decisiveness/assertiveness/confidence. It can be a deal breaker for me.IP: Logged |
Vajra
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posted March 12, 2015 10:37 AM
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Aquacheeka
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posted March 12, 2015 10:50 AM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
No,
But as I said in my above post I'm more interested in peoples actions than their words. Every woman alive will tell you that they want a nice guy. Hell, I'd be willing to bet that the chicks that want to get married to these psychos in prison would tell you they want a nice guy. When I was younger I took womens word when they said they wanted nice guys. I took their word despite the fact that there was tons of evidence to the contrary right in front of my face. Whenever i'd get blown off by a girl I liked for one of these guys I'd just shrug it of and say "she's just messed/confused" or something along those lines. But as time went on and I was seeing more and more of this I couldn't rationalize it away anymore. Based off of what i've seen women seem to have a strong preference for bad boy types.
Define "bad boy type." Because my ex was a college graduate and a registered massage therapist who appealed to me because we liked similar books and a lot of the same music - he even had CDs that I considered to be very feminist like Liz Phair's "Exile To Guyville" from the 90's in his vast collection. He actually philosophically seemed extremely empathetic towards women and remained that way throughout our relationship. He didn't like cursing and certainly did not seem to be disrespectful in any way. He didn't have weird piercings, had never been arrested, didn't do drugs and dressed pretty clean-cut. We embarked on a long-term relationship and it wasn't until we had been together for more than a year that he ever laid a hand on me. When the relationship ended it was due to his verbal and physical abuse which very often followed his imbibing but certainly not exclusively. Now, would you say he's a "bad boy type"? Just curious. IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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posted March 12, 2015 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Nasty article. I only read the beginning and saw the idea: women's role (instinct) is to self-sacrifice in love, for the man. Nauseous primitive biblic idea that some people are born to be slaves for others. Being devoted to your passions/people you love is not gender related and different from "self-sacrifice", no gender or group of people are born with this role yikes!An article written by one of those nostalgics after being the master and the owner of the "souls" in their household, women included
Those people are both mentally ill and delusional. I can totally see why so many of these guys are divorced; I mean, who would want to stay married to a quackjob like this?? According to these crazies, childfree women like myself simply do not exist. Because ALL women just want to have lots of babies to nurture... right? OK, boys. Keep telling yourselves that. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted March 12, 2015 12:15 PM
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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
Now, would you say he's a "bad boy type"? Just curious.
Yes,
And i'll tell you why I think that. Hitting someone is an impulsive act. A lack of impulse control is one of the hallmarks of bad boys. Generally speaking, people won't haul off and hit someone uless a loved one or themselves are in danger. Everyone gets angry and has those urges to hit someone when they get angry from time to time but most people resist those impulses. Interestingly enough women often list spontaneity as one of the most attractive traits in a man. These bad boy types are definitely spontaneous, that's why women like them. However, women usually fail to see that spontaeity for what is, lack of impulse control (and usually stupidity thrown in as well).
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Aquacheeka
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posted March 12, 2015 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Yes,
And i'll tell you why I think that. Hitting someone is an impulsive act. A lack of impulse control is one of the hallmarks of bad boys. Generally speaking, people won't haul off and hit someone uless a loved one or themselves are in danger. Everyone gets angry and has those urges to hit someone when they get angry from time to time but most people resist those impulses. Interestingly enough women often list spontaneity as one of the most attractive traits in a man. These bad boy types are definitely spontaneous, that's why women like them. However, women usually fail to see that spontaeity for what is, lack of impulse control (and usually stupidity thrown in as well).
Mars conjunct Pluto with a fire moon, he was definitely a rageful person but usually could keep it under control. Interestingly, absolutely no one would call him impulsive (in any other context). He was actually quite boring, a total homebody and once his one very good friend moved far away, that left him with no good friends. I was his only close friend. He was an extreme introvert, an avid reader and a clean freak. I made all the plans for us to go out due to his extreme introversion. He hated clubs. He was not a spontaneous person and many of my friends thought an outgoing girl like me should be with someone similar, not a guy who wanted to stay in all the time and was awkward in social situations.
Sorry but you are just plain dead wrong. The qualities that you claim I was looking for or attracted to in him (spontaneity, excitement) were just not there. Which in a sense is a good thing; it's important for women to know that even quiet, intellectual, educated men have the potential to be violent and conduct themselves accordingly. It's one of the reasons why feminism is so essential; women and men alike need to be able to stand on their own two feet and not be dependent on any other person for their survival. IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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posted March 12, 2015 03:35 PM
The interesting thing is, I can be pretty objective and I think there are occasions where women as a whole can be legitimately criticized. However, I think that MGTOW and Aquaguy are dead wrong on this issue. The fact of the matter is that women aren't selecting men based on negative characteristics or even "spontaneity" or them being bad boys. They are selecting men who are physically attractive, and those who are physically attractive can range the gamut in personality type and still be attractive to women. This has been proven - by a self-pitying male chauvinist, no less!! - on multiple occasions: http://tinderrage.blogspot.ca/. The fake men in the example above could say they were shy and autistic, just out of prison, only in town for a few days, whatever, and still get women. Why? Because they were objectively handsome. These men were being messaged by women first. It's Tinder ffs. There is no personality profile assessment. The women messaging them on Tinder have no idea about the guys' personality and they don't particularly care. They are judging them based on their faces, their bodies, their hair and their clothes.
So I gotta be honest - when men complain that "women are only looking for bad boys" and won't give them a chance because they are "too nice," I gotta wonder about those men and if they are not conventionally attractive and just cannot bring themselves to admit it, even to themselves. Because never in the history of mankind has a man been rejected for that reason. All things being equal, women prefer men who are nice, stable and reliable. But for a relationship that is sexual in nature, what they really want is a man they are attracted to and want to have sex with. Men get rejected by women - and particularly younger women who aren't yet worried about things like earning capacity - because the women don't find them attractive. Men and women are shallow. It's a flaw of humankind. That's all there is to it. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted March 12, 2015 04:25 PM
Aquacheeka,
I'd agree that good looking guys are going to have it easier as far as attracting women. Having said that, I still have to disagree with you. I've seen too many guys that had absolutely nothing going for them but an ******* attitude and they were/are swimming in women. I know a guy that is like 5'5, fat, unkempt, and jobless that has no problems getting women. Furthermore he is a high school drop-out and doesn't even have a car. He never lacks a girlfriend or fwb. I've seen it with my own eyes!! This is only one example, I've seen other stuff like that too. He is the most dramatic case i've seen though. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted March 12, 2015 04:36 PM
I'm impressed that AC even brought up how important looks are to women, most women will lie about how important looks are until the end of time. But that doesn't change the fact that women like jerks. Yes, looks are very important to women but being a jerk is an even bigger asset. If I was going to place bets on which guy would get more women I'd pick an average looking jerk over a good looking nice guy any day. IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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posted March 12, 2015 04:41 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Aquacheeka,
I'd agree that good looking guys are going to have it easier as far as attracting women. Having said that, I still have to disagree with you. I've seen too many guys that had absolutely nothing going for them but an ******* attitude and they were/are swimming in women. I know a guy that is like 5'5, fat, unkempt, and jobless that has no problems getting women. Furthermore he is a high school drop-out and doesn't even have a car. He never lacks a girlfriend or fwb. I've seen it with my own eyes!! This is only one example, I've seen other stuff like that too. He is the most dramatic case i've seen though.
I have personally never seen a man fitting that description (5'5, fat) who was able to get a woman. Even if he was rich I think he would have a problem. So maybe the problem is the sex ratio where you live, causing women to be extremely desperate. There are whiny men who can't get laid of course everywhere but the ones in Toronto complain that they can't get laid because they make no money.
Some men will always complain that it's women's fault when they can't get laid. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted March 12, 2015 04:44 PM
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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
objectively handsome.
Question. What do you mean when you say objectively handsome? Are you implying all women have a set standard of what they find physically attractive? Men are not that way, yet we get labeled as the shallow sex.  What men find physically attractive varies wildly from man to man. IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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posted March 12, 2015 04:54 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
[b]objectively handsome.
Question. What do you mean when you say objectively handsome? Are you implying all women have a set standard of what they find physically attractive? Men are not that way, yet we get labeled as the shallow sex. What men find physically attractive varies wildly from man to man. [/B][/QUOTE]
That's not really true though. OKCupid data shows that men show a strong consensus on how attractive women were: http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-looks-and-online-dating/ and that male messages were disproportiately concentrated towards the modelesque while average-looking women and those 30 or above were far more likely to be ignored.
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aquaguy91
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posted March 12, 2015 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
I have personally never seen a man fitting that description (5'5, fat) who was able to get a woman. Even if he was rich I think he would have a problem. So maybe the problem is the sex ratio where you live, causing women to be extremely desperate. There are whiny men who can't get laid of course everywhere but the ones in Toronto complain that they can't get laid because they make no money.Some men will always complain that it's women's fault when they can't get laid.
It's funny that you say that because you just proved something I've long suspected. That is that women want it all, even if they have nothing to offer. A few years ago when I worked at walmart I heard a female co-worker say, in no uncertain terms, that she would never date a man that worked at walmart. Double standard much?!?
She was middle aged and worked at walmart but men in the same situation as her were losers. I've also heard more than a few fat women say that they want a fit/muscular man. And it's common to see talk show panels talking about educated career women having trouble attracting men. These women do not have trouble attracting men.... They have trouble attracting men that "measure up" to their outlandish standards. They want a man to be good looking, rich, and popular. Think of Christian Grey.... He is rich, powerful, good looking, and yes a jerk. That's what women fantasize about. That is the ideal. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted March 12, 2015 04:58 PM
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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
That's not really true though. OKCupid data shows that men show a strong consensus on how attractive women were: http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-looks-and-online-dating/ and that male messages were disproportiately concentrated towards the modelesque while average-looking women and those 30 or above were far more likely to be ignored.
Nah.... Even below average looking women have a high sexual market value. Otherwise they wouldn't be so picky. IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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posted March 12, 2015 04:58 PM
Tbh, I'm not sure I see your point. Every male smoker I've ever met has told me they don't want to date a female smoker. The fat men that I've met have had the strongest preference for underweight women relative to the non-fat ones I've met. Again, being a hypocrite is not gender-exclusive.IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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posted March 12, 2015 05:00 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
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Nah.... Even below average looking women have a high sexual market value. Otherwise they wouldn't be so picky.
Do you mean average-looking women under the age of 30? Because once again, your comments are reflective of your opinion, but do not match the actual data shown.
Also, women may just seem picky relative to men because on average they are less likely to mind being single. It could be less a case of women being picky, and more a case of men being more desperate. IP: Logged |
DeepFreeze
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posted March 12, 2015 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
Some men will always complain that it's women's fault when they can't get laid.
Bingo!
Their whining is often the barrier itself!
Often a ploy to get someone to "prove them wrong." (Aka date me and prove to me that it's not true but at least I'm dating someone) IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted March 12, 2015 05:15 PM
Aquacheeka,
Here's the thing about women on dating sites.... They falsely represent themselves. I went on about half a dozen dates with women I met on dating sites and all but one of them were drastically less attractive than they appeared in their pictures. It's funny because I have the opposite problem... I look better in real life and take crappy pictures. I'm not photogenic at all. The dates were always really awkward because I was disappointed in their looks and they were much more keen on me after seeing me in person. One girl I went out with looked slightly chubby with a cute face in her picture but when I met her she was obese! When we had talked on the phone prior to the date she was all "I am just letting you know that I do not have sex right away" and I agreed to that. After she saw me? She wanted to "go back to her place" and I made an excuse and got the heck out of dodge! What's my point in all of this? I think women are hypocritical for judging guys so harshly on dating sites when they can't even put up a picture that isn't photoshopped.IP: Logged |
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