posted March 18, 2015 10:23 AM              

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Originally posted by Padre35:
STEM, Science, Technology, Engineering, Mathematics.

These fields earn more, much much more, and have a outside of population numbers participation by men over women.

Oh, that would then mean, textural looks into stats would matter, hours worked, time missed from work etc in non STEM fields

IE, try again Deep Freeze

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You try again.
Men vs women
Apples to Apples

Job A for person with penis vs Job A for person with vagina. No other variables. What are the results?
**NOT** overall income earned. We're talking pay/hour one vs the other, to use hourly pay as an example. Therefore, days off etc are irrelevant. If person A works 1,000 hours doing the exact, identical work as person B who also worked 1,000 hours. So everything identical minus sex - pay is not always equal. **That** is what is being discussed.
Therefore I'm afraid YOU have missed the point.

posted March 18, 2015 10:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
Speaking of what women really want -

in the UK, a new study has found that men's perception of a typical woman's ideal man is far from reality when it comes to looks/physical appearance, look here for pics and explanation:

http://aplus.com/a/women-in- the-uk-describe-the-looks-of-a-perfect-man-and-it-s-not-what-most-men-would-think-?utm_campaign=i102&utm_source=a11303

Apparently, more than 70 percent of women would prefer the boy next door over a hunk. Most men don't see that...

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You should see my new neighbor

Here's another one...it looks like guys know us better than we know them
http://uproxx.com/up/2014/04/the-perfect-female-body-according-to-men/

EDIT: one thing is for certain: when you fall in love, you don't care about the ideal man or woman anymore
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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

posted March 18, 2015 10:43 AM              

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Originally posted by Padre35:
Not all the "enemy" lol

Which has nothing to do with constantly "of course m'lday", to do so is the inverse of "women can do nothing right"

"Women can do no wrong"

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Let's reverse this.
Instead of pointing the finger at the one that says "of course m'lday" because few others seem to say that kind of thing.
Point the finger at yourself for a moment.
What is your issue with it? Because the same is true that few have any issue with someone saying, "of course m'lday".

posted March 18, 2015 11:23 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Here's what I think......
I think women are primarily driven by emotions. They'll tell you that they want a "nice guy" but what they really mean is they want a guy that makes them feel good. And based off of what i've seen it's usually the bad boys/jerks that provide the emotional rollercoaster that makes women feel good.

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Why don't you turn into a bad boy then, Aquaguy? You can be anyone you like
Reinvent yourself as a bad boy, or at least do an experiment with your bad boy side, if you think this is the issue here, and see what you discover

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

posted March 18, 2015 12:42 PM            

Like this maybe?

http://funguerilla.com/perfect-girlfriend-has/

posted March 18, 2015 02:39 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
No!!! LMAO
But it does vaguely remind me of another part of anatomy. Maybe there's something to that.
Jk of course

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Aha...so it does cross the mind

Yeah, but I hope it's better to have more anatomical parts rather than just one all over the place, especially in your face all the time lol for the sake of variety and sanity

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posted March 19, 2015 02:19 AM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
You try again.
Men vs women
Apples to Apples

Job A for person with penis vs Job A for person with vagina. No other variables. What are the results?
**NOT** overall income earned. We're talking pay/hour one vs the other, to use hourly pay as an example. Therefore, days off etc are irrelevant. If person A works 1,000 hours doing the exact, identical work as person B who also worked 1,000 hours. So everything identical minus sex - pay is not always equal. **That** is what is being discussed.
Therefore I'm afraid YOU have missed the point.

What's the end result?
That's what's being argued.
You misunderstood what I'm saying. If we're to dig through all of those details. I'm not having any part of it. You are essentially conducting your own study at that point using results from other studies.
I have better things to do with my time. The people who have the most time and best access to information have already conducted studies.
If you want to conduct your own, have at it.
I'm not.
None of us truly has the resources.
I think the DOL has more than enough. That was the source first suggested and it didn't pan out for the person who suggested it. Too bad.

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Well now Mr Critical thinker, one also missed job turnover, level of skill etc, amount of time being trained

For example, oh erudite of stats what does "same job and hourly wage" mean..exactly..what is the methodology?

Is time on the job, with reviews and raises included, or is your talking point so limp?

posted March 19, 2015 02:21 AM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Let's reverse this.
Instead of pointing the finger at the one that says "of course m'lday" because few others seem to say that kind of thing.
Point the finger at yourself for a moment.
What is your issue with it? Because the same is true that few have any issue with someone saying, "of course m'lday".

Do you get what I'm saying? You and one other are the only ones to be annoyed by it. It's never bothered me or anyone else that I'm aware of. So what is it about you then?
Ask yourself that. I'll let you sit on that.

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My issue is simply this, as a meta point, what is it that women as a whole statistically do "wrong'?

posted March 19, 2015 04:18 AM              

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Originally posted by Padre35:

Well now Mr Critical thinker, one also missed job turnover, level of skill etc, amount of time being trained

For example, oh erudite of stats what does "same job and hourly wage" mean..exactly..what is the methodology?

Is time on the job, with reviews and raises included, or is your talking point so limp?

Charge on bold White Knight..

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All things equal.
How is that so hard to understand?
ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL Which a few methodologies were clearly laid out in one of my links. (Same degree, same college, same job, same hire date, etc. Which is not uncommon. New engineers from of the local university are hired in groups where I work. Not to imply that my argument is based just on that because I know you would say that)
Do you really need it spelled out for you??
If so then I'm wasting my time on you.

This white knight is married. So I'm not sure what favor with women that you believe I'm trying to win.
"White Knight".... for someone who tries to come across so intelligent and mature, you're sure acting even more immature than I am. That's adolescent boy sh*t.

Actually now that I think about it. I am wasting my time on you.

posted March 19, 2015 09:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
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L..o...l

The most easily pushed over fella I've ever encountered online

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Coming from a LDTOG groupie, I take that as a compliment.

Hell, I say that any man should pretty much use this concept as a standard; If a LDTOG groupie tells you that you are a "White Knight," chances are you are a good person who has a steady head on his shoulders rather than some bitter bambie joining up with a "no girls allowed!" tree-house club like some immature pre-schooler.

The interesting thing about this whole ordeal is that, never once did I ever mention that "women can do no wrong" and that "they are all perfect Angels." If anything, LDTOGs are the ones trying to define that role for women; Expecting them to fill in a fantasy role for them by being the perfect little docile princess rather than letting them live their lives on their own terms... As HUMAN BEINGS should!

LDTOGs... Bunch of delusional twits.

If supporting a woman's right to be a human being makes me a "White Knight," then hell... Call me Sir Xodian!

posted March 19, 2015 01:53 PM              

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Originally posted by Padre35:
Which is the point, though not made clear, that I was alluding to in my snarky post.

Men are taught ACHIEVEMENT, is somehow a ticket into entitlement in relationships.

Mainly due to a host of societal manipulations that make sense on the surface, and benefit society...in reality those paradigms are not developing fully rounded men.

Cringeworthy watch on that is "Millionaire Matchmaker" or the rather odd thought that going overseas for relationships b/c "feminism" will cure seriously flawed men of their woes.

For myself smirk at it all as the product of Western (mostly, it happens in the East as well) societies where entitlement and not inherent virtue is the road to happiness

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posted March 19, 2015 04:19 PM              

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Ceterus Paribus. All things held equal. Guy in McDs uniform gets on moped. Guy in suit and tie gets into passenger car. Girl needs a ride. Hopefully she has more brains that to hitch a ride with either guy, but supposing she really needs a ride, who do you think she takes a ride with?

Money is never the key to end all woes. But would you please tell me when was the last time your character and virtue bought you clothes? Let's live in the real world, shall we?

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posted March 19, 2015 06:13 PM            

1 - You are naive enough to imagine you can trust the man in question to always be there for you like a pseudo-father figure who will never let you down...

OR

2 - You are manipulative enough to imagine that no matter what his personality-type you will always have him eating out of the palm of your hand...

OR

3 - You don't actually care if he leaves you because you figure, you will always have a perfect body and youth - and - there is always more where that came from!
(Let's call this one ^ "delusional")

AC -

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And some of us are fine with paying for our own clothes.

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posted March 19, 2015 09:01 PM            

Perhaps it's incumbent on you to read properly.

For that matter, nobody said anything about a man flashing wealth. Those who have true wealth wouldn't want to display it. Nor share it with people one doesn't care about.

posted March 19, 2015 09:43 PM              

I think they would rely heavily on the "vibe". Even people with money commit crimes. In fact, a few prolific serial killers were well respected in society.

posted March 19, 2015 11:36 PM            

To me, having enough money to pay the bills, live a healthy and happy life, and enjoy the simple things is enough.

For example, I dated a guy you could consider wealthy and it didn't last long because he was arrogant, self-centered, materialistic-oriented, and flashed around his wealth to make up for major insecurities. For me, character and virtue mean a heck of a lot. Money cannot buy you these.

posted March 20, 2015 02:22 AM            

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
But to get back to the point, both men and women can be golddiggers.

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Oh Absolutely!

posted March 20, 2015 02:28 AM            

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If she's not a "freeloader" I really don't mind if she makes less or more money than me.

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posted March 20, 2015 09:52 AM              

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Back in 2009 I dated a woman who openly stated that she didn't care about money outside of the man being able to take care of himself and not living with his parents, etc. Otherwise, she made her own money and really didn't mind if she paid for dates, etc. She wanted a man who treated her well. I also feel that way. If she's not a "freeloader" I really don't mind if she makes less or more money than me.
Things were great other than we had breakdowns in communication. Not even fighting. It was just like different languages and made things complex and difficult when discussing more serious things.

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posted March 20, 2015 12:51 PM              

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:

What were your Mercurys doing? Were they afflicted or unaspected?

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Ah-ha

Both mercurys are unaspected in synastry. (Mine Virgo. Hers Aquarius)

Her mercury has only one minor aspect in natal.