posted March 13, 2015 03:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Xodian:
Typical lowbrow MGTOW sh**y mentality; Anyone and everyone who doesn't agree with their POV and calls them out on their BS (Most of which hardly qualifies as objective views and are mostly personal "perspectives" and anecdotes) is a "White Knight."

HA! MGTOW movement has to be this century's biggest clown car; With only a few (and I mean VERY few) of its members having legit issues and is mostly filled with young angry losers. Its like dealing with immature highschoolers who go around flashing their teeny weeny 4 inchers to every schoolgirl in the year, proclaiming their imaginary sense of masculinity; Only to be shot down by every given girl for their crass behavior, which in turn angers them and they set up their own personal "flashers" club where they proclaim that one dude in their group that may have a 4.5 incher as their supreme "manly" archetype.

Meanwhile, the rest of the guys in highschool are busy dating, getting ready for Uni and getting along wonderfully with girls. And MGTOW obviously point at these guys and tell them that they are being "feminized" by the Feminazis of the world.

MGTOW... They should rename themselves as "LDTOG" (Losers digging their own graves.)

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posted March 13, 2015 03:51 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:

Nah,
Actually you get that title because of posts like this. You lurk most of the time but come out of the woodwork when topics like this come up so you can attack me and win brownie points with the women on the board. This is nothing new, it's been happening as long as i've been on this board. Oh, maybe that's not giving you enough credit. You do contribute to photo threads. [/B]

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Let me guess; More of your infallible "logic" at work here ? Just proves my point about MGTOW; Everytime someone disagrees with their lame excuse of an argument, they ALWAYS go about accusing the other guy of trying to score brownie points with a woman.

Little man syndrome at work.

A logical person would actually see that a guy who has repeatedly said that he is happily married can't be trying to score points; Its an exercise in futility considering that most women would probably stay clear of such a guy (and they should) in any romantic sense and would probably only be friends with him.

And unfortunately, while I would like to contribute more to the place, I do have REAL LIFE priorities to take care of. OCCASIONALLY, I would drop by and write up a post in a thread that I want to follow up on (like the one in the first page of this thread) Only to have a facepalm moment knowing that YOU have entered the thread and posted more of your usual illogical woman-hating tirade.

And it just doesn't stops there unfortunately. You ALWAYS de-rail the topic of the thread to whine about your usual issues with women; Its so routine that its pretty much expected out of you now; And seriously, its getting old.

So yes, most of the sane people on the board are really getting tired of you and DO try to ignore you; God knows I certainly do. But then there is always that brilliant moment where you HAVE to make a personal remark; Which, when answered, ALWAYS gets another whiny illogical rebuttal from you.

And please... The fact that you have an issue with my pics only just shows your "little man" syndrome at work . Everyone here has the freedom to contribute to the same threads; Its just the nature of the threads and it keeps things light-heated around here as opposed to dealing with woman-hating cruddy posts with NO objective value.

posted March 13, 2015 03:58 PM              

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:

Nah,
Actually you get that title because of posts like this. You lurk most of the time but come out of the woodwork when topics like this come up so you can attack me and win brownie points with the women on the board. This is nothing new, it's been happening as long as i've been on this board. Oh, maybe that's not giving you enough credit. You do contribute to photo threads.

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And you wait until women/feminism/dating threads come up so that you can spew your pessimistic "the way it is" views.
Hence, my gif on the first page. We ALL know you're coming and the show will start.

Look AG. If you're going to say that no one really knows you and it's just words on a screen, blah blah blah. JUST LAST NIGHT.
Then don't pretend to know us or our motives.

Xodian and I are both married. We have no REASON to play the "white knight".
I for one have NEVER played the white knight role.
You know why? Because if you do then you better be prepared to be the white knight forever.
I'm always me. Why? I want to be me for my whole life.

posted March 13, 2015 04:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Xodian:
Let me guess; More of your infallible "logic" at work here ? Just proves my point about MGTOW; Everytime someone disagrees with their lame excuse of an argument, they ALWAYS go about accusing the other guy of trying to score brownie points with a woman.

Little man syndrome at work.

A logical person would actually see that a guy who has repeatedly said that he is happily married is obviously trying to score points; An exercise in futility considering that most women would probably stay clear of such a guy (and they should) in any romantic sense and would probably only be friends with him.

And unfortunately, while I would like to contribute more to the place, I do have REAL LIFE priorities to take care of. OCCASIONALLY, I would drop by and write up a post in a thread that I want to follow up on (like the one in the first page of this thread) Only to have a facepalm moment knowing that YOU have entered the thread and posted more of your usual illogical woman-hating tirade.

And it just doesn't stops there unfortunately. You ALWAYS de-rail the topic of the thread to whine about your usual issues with women; Its so routine that its pretty much expected out of you now; And seriously, its getting old.

So yes, most of the sane people on the board are really getting tired of you and DO try to ignore you; God knows I certainly do. But then there is always that brilliant moment where you HAVE to make a personal remark; Which, when answered, ALWAYS gets another whiny illogical rebuttal from you.

And please... The fact that you have an issue with my pics only just shows your "little man" syndrome at work . Everyone here has the freedom to contribute to the same threads; Its just the nature of the threads and it keeps things light-heated around here as opposed to dealing with woman-hating cruddy posts with NO objective value.

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posted March 13, 2015 04:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
I hesitate to point to a movie, crazy stupid love comes to mind.

Guy with a bad haircut, complains all of the time, dresses badly and pretty much has -0- going on in life wonders why his wife cheated on himl..o..l

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This is actually a perfect example of what I was referring to earlier. His daughter's character in the movie (the one who falls in love with Ryan Gosling) is exactly the kind of person I mentioned: coming from a typical, normal, nice family with no real problems - Her biggest problems in life are what lipstick colour she wears and which bad boy to reform next.

His wife who cheats on him is a middle-aged version of her daughter.
Classic adventure-seeking "girl next door" types, who have relatively easy lives, too much time on their hands and nothing else to do with themselves.
They feel -unfulfilled- and don't know how to achieve a sense of personal enjoyment and happiness by themselves.

posted March 13, 2015 04:19 PM              

Ok, so if I call you an ignorant, frustrated, stubborn, dumbs*it it's ok as long as I follow it with, "I'm just telling it how it is".

posted March 13, 2015 04:25 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
And you wait until women/feminism/dating threads come up so that you can spew your pessimistic "the way it is" views.
Hence, my gif on the first page. We ALL know you're coming and the show will start.

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posted March 13, 2015 04:28 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:

Ha!
I made it personal? You're the one that went off on mgtows and started talking about tiny weenies because I stated the truth and now you are calling me a little man.

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Notice how your truth has no sense of logical backing or any sort of perpetual objective perspective but rather a collection of remarks based on personal POV and generalized statements.

Hell, following your logic, I can easily say that MY VIEW of MGTOW is the truth; With most of its members being nothing but directionless young losers who just wanna blame someone for their issues.

Just calling it like it is .

Your truth is HARDLY the truth.

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lol I didn't insult you, I just called it like it is. You wait for topics like this and come in guns blazing. And it's not just your views, it's how you deliver them. It seems like you get more emotional and fired up about my posts than the women folk do. It's clear to me that you have an agenda and it doesn't matter if you are happily married or not. Some people are so obsessed with popularity that they try to be popular and win approval even when they are online. I don't care about such things, but it's obvious most people do. [/B]

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Once again, notice how you revert back to the usual "victim" mentality after being schooled? My original post was directed towards MGTOW but notice that I hardly mentioned you in it WHEREAS YOU directly mentioned me in your post. How is that nothing if not personal?

And once I call you out on it and explain your issue to you, you crawl back to your turtle shell, playing the victim again and once again, throwing around arguments that have NO basis in logic but are rather a DIRECT result of your own personal interpretations. Yeah, I do like to present arguments that I have issues with in a very Gung Ho manner and it usually drives the required point home.

posted March 13, 2015 04:29 PM              

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Originally posted by mercuranian:
it's true. i can't help myself from reading these threads, it's like not being able to not look at a car crash as you drive by! i'm not gonna lie, - it's a guilty pleasure.

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posted March 13, 2015 04:42 PM              

It's like an episode of Jerry Springer!! No matter how bad or simple it is you can't stop watching it!

posted March 13, 2015 04:45 PM              

There's lines of men who just want to be angry and never have sex again!
I think you're onto something.

Are any of your examples beyond say... 1950?
Surely not before the internet. This is the information boom!
I think you'll have an easier time figuring out how to clone some chick that you find hot than to convince the world of this garbage.

posted March 13, 2015 04:52 PM              

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
What's funny to me is several people have accused me of lying when I relay personal experiences that have led me to my world views. Are people really that ignorant? Do they think it's easy being someone that publicly disagrees with the prevailing views and attitudes in society? It would be so much easier and less stressful to lie and put a smile on my face and pretend that I agree with the human hivemind. I do what I do because I see legitimate issues in the world and have the conviction to stick to my guns even when it makes me enemies. People used to get killed for challenging the status quo. Think about those that challenged the view that the earth was flat or everything revolved around the earth. People who publicly disagreed with those concepts were laughed at, shamed,ridiculed, and in some instances put to death. My point? Popular opinion does not mean a d*mn thing. Just look at the history books and you'll see a pattern of this...

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And so you believe you are revolutionizing the world by spewing nonsense about how all women want "bad boys" and all women are hypocritical (but never men! Certainly never men) and all women just need to be under their husband's thumb with no freedom to make their own choices and pursue their own interests, barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, and then all will be right in the world?

posted March 13, 2015 04:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
This is actually a perfect example of what I was referring to earlier. His daughter's character in the movie (the one who falls in love with Ryan Gosling) is exactly the kind of person I mentioned: coming from a typical, normal, nice family with no real problems - Her biggest problems in life are what lipstick colour she wears and which bad boy to reform next.

His wife who cheats on him is a middle-aged version of her daughter.
Classic adventure-seeking "girl next door" types, who have relatively easy lives, too much time on their hands and nothing else to do with themselves.
They feel -unfulfilled- and don't know how to achieve a sense of personal enjoyment and happiness by themselves.

Because if they had a time consuming career, for instance, they'd have no energy left over for this.
Or, if they had a hobby like travelling around the world -"Eat, pray, love" style... again, they wouldn't bother with a bad boy.

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Exactly. And a lot of disgruntled young guys fail to realize this. The more freedom, responsibility and personal choice a woman has, the greater the chance that she will have the avenue to sculpt her life for the better on HER OWN terms. More and more career oriented and independent women take a more sensible route in life and focus on their making their lives better.

posted March 13, 2015 05:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Xodian:
Getting back to the original point of the thread (and lets see how many brownie points I score this time by agreeing with a female member .)

Exactly. And a lot of disgruntled young guys fail to realize this. The more freedom, responsibility and personal choice a woman has, the greater the chance that she will have the avenue to sculpt her life for the better on HER OWN terms. More and more career oriented and independent women take a more sensible route in life and focus on their making their lives better.

Women who are deprived of this choice usually end up taking the wrong route in life as it is their only avenue of fulfillment. Its something a lot of people fail to realize when it comes to independent women.

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posted March 13, 2015 05:59 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:

This post right here proves how clueless you are. Feminism does not promote female independence. It enables women to do whatever the heck they want without any consequences. Case and point, the family court system. Statistics show that women initiate over 70% of divorces. Why is that important? Because the court system forces men to pay women that chose to leave them. How is that fair or equal?

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I am going to count this as BS unless you provide me with ACTUAL statistics on that 70% statistical figure you provided. And keep in mind, the requirement of support falls equally for BOTH partners. If by any chance, a woman was making more than a man, then the burden of support falls upon her.

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I know a woman...

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Ah in come the personal anecdotes... Spare me.

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I think what mgtows and mras ultimately want is women to be truly equal in all aspects, even the more unpleasant aspects of equality. Which means: they have to sign up for the draft, they get equal prison sentences for crimes, and if they choose to walk away from a relationship they leave with what's theirs and nothing else among other things. But you don't see feminism addressing these issues do you? So please tell me again how feminism is helping men?

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... By granting everything to men that you mentioned on LDTOG wishlist:

http://mic.com/articles/88277/23-ways-feminism-has-made-the-world-a-better-place-for-m en

And this article actually cites sources with ACTUAL academic support.

posted March 13, 2015 06:24 PM            

Everyone who is a MGTOW has a hivemind mentality where their viewpoints on gender and women are superior to others. The way you are framing your arguments reflects this- everyone else is 'a liar' or 'fails to admit the truth' because we haven't taken the red pill or whatever. I really hope you step back a bit and look at the bigger picture- this sort of mindset is not only dangerous to the individual but to society in general.

MGTOW is based off of nihilism- they act as though nothing else matters when shaping a reality, and such would rather live in a "utopia" without bothering to see the damage of their objective morality and self-gratification.

Feminism is about equality, not putting down or oppressing men. Anyone who understands and engages in feminist behavior will portray this. Gender equality really is a hassle for you? You would rather continue to drag women instead of working to make the world a better place for both genders?

Your arguments for men being oppressed fall flat because you are not allowing yourself to see the whole picture, aka the reality. The thing is women face way more barriers to equality than men. I am by NO means rejecting the concerns and issues of men, but rather showing you how good you actually have it:

Women only make 77 cents to a dollar men make.

Women hold significantly less federal and state judgeships, as well as Congress seats. We have yet to have a female president as well.

Women are statistically more likely to be a victim of physical, emotional, and sexual assault in the armed forces. This is actually a very big deal at the moment.

Women are also way more likely to be date raped and raped (any non-consensual form) compared to men. On the note of sex issues, women can be denied or limited access to birth control. When is the last time you saw a man denied condoms because his gender?

Women are outnumbered by men 73% to 27% in the science fields and engineering employment. I'd say there is a lot of room for improvement.

Women in the sports world are highly outnumbered too. The salary, sponsorship, and benefit differences are outrageous.

Women are also highly subjected to sex trafficking and domestic violence compared to men. You really mean to tell me you would rather advocate for rejection of women gaining equality instead of helping to improve the situation?

Some women in the world can be sexually assaulted, yet go to jail. Ever heard of Sharia Law or honor killing? Some do not have the right to divorce, gain citizenship, or divorce their husbands.

posted March 13, 2015 06:35 PM            

I've seen this episode so many times that I know it by heart.

I lurk on other things sometimes, though.

But usually I pop in here, and go "Oh. Okay."

And then I go do other stuff. And by "other stuff" I mean anything but packing.

posted March 13, 2015 06:44 PM              

It's genuinely entertaining.
I mean, there are issues that are very serious but on the LL level, this shiz funny!!

posted March 13, 2015 07:22 PM            

But when I go back to our first three dates there are certain things that stood out to me that made him different from other guys I had come into contact with while I was single. In no particular order of importance:

Funny
Mildly (sometimes moderately) sarcastic
Wicked smart
Witty
Great voice (made me melty)
Told great stories but was also interested in my stories
Considerate
Old school gentleman (opened the car door for me, didn't kiss me on the first date, didn't attempt to grope me during a movie, etc. etc)
Kind but with backbone - he's not a pushover
Amazing - I mean AMAZING shoulders. I like broad shoulders. It's a weakness.
Confident but not an a-hole about it. Just sort of a breezy, comfortable with himself confidence.

posted March 13, 2015 08:00 PM              

Many men of course today fall short of this standard (-and recognise it,-you can tell on this thread it makes them feel uncomfortable-hence they try to argue or dismiss outright)
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(Of course it goes without saying this works in reverse too, ie top necessary qualities for a man to look for in a woman, if he wants to procreate,)

These days,in our FAKE world (due to TV, Movie Industry/Popular Culture), Everything Sexualised,

--->Far too many people carelessly screwing around for fun/sport/lust
=> far too many unplanned pregnancies, fatherless kids,deprived kids, abused kids, etc etc
-which leads to an increasingly destabilised society.

posted March 14, 2015 12:03 AM              

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:

This post right here proves how clueless you are. Feminism does not promote female independence. It enables women to do whatever the heck they want without any consequences. Case and point, the family court system. Statistics show that women initiate over 70% of divorces. Why is that important? Because the court system forces men to pay women that chose to leave them. How is that fair or equal? I know a woman that hasn't worked in over a decade but thanks to alimony she has a nice house, a vacation condo in the smokies, and a nice car. All of this was provided by the husband "She" divorced. The court system forced him to pay her. Again, how is that fair or equal? This is the kind of bullsh*t mgtows/mras are fighting against. You know..., that group that you claimed has no reason to be angry. I think what mgtows and mras ultimately want is women to be truly equal in all aspects, even the more unpleasant aspects of equality. Which means: they have to sign up for the draft, they get equal prison sentences for crimes, and if they choose to walk away from a relationship they leave with what's theirs and nothing else among other things. But you don't see feminism addressing these issues do you? So please tell me again how feminism is helping men?

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American family court laws are not feminist, they are patriarchal. In most of feminist Scandinavia there is no divorce court, you send your divorce application in by email as if you were applying for a passport. Child support is a flat monthly stipend that is not dependent on income. Alimony does not exist because the notion that a woman cannot support herself is an insult. And all this came about because as required by law, in countries like Sweden the house of representatives is 50% female.

I suggest you watch the documentary film "Divorce Corp" for more on this.

posted March 14, 2015 02:13 AM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
What's his sun sign? If you don't mind.
The remarks about his confidence made me think about myself.

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