posted May 14, 2015 05:55 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I just think it's silly when people see things like this and act like it's a big surprise and make a mountain out of a mole hill.
A man that was (probably) drunk got rowdy and made a crude remark at a sporting event. Holy sh*t! We've got to do something about this. This kind of thing is nothing new. Men are rowdy when they together. Here's a concept.... If some women hate masculine behavior they should avoid settings where men go to play such as sporting events, comic cons,metal concerts etc. Problem solved.

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that's not masculine behavior, it's chauvinistic, - and while we are at it, why don't we just stay home with our burqas on and not frequent any places where males congregate (smh)

posted May 14, 2015 10:53 AM            

You are there working, doing your job. Presumably you don't want to just quit and leave.
As they keep shouting, another guy, physically closer to you tells you - you are lucky that group of men didn't have a vibrator on them!

posted May 14, 2015 01:43 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I just think it's silly when people see things like this and act like it's a big surprise and make a mountain out of a mole hill.
A man that was (probably) drunk got rowdy and made a crude remark at a sporting event. Holy sh*t! We've got to do something about this. This kind of thing is nothing new. Men are rowdy when they together. Here's a concept.... If some women hate masculine behavior they should avoid settings where men go to play such as sporting events, comic cons,metal concerts etc. Problem solved.

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Pal, you're confusing masculine behaviour with being cunty; you really need to get your head out of your fu*king arse.

posted May 14, 2015 04:20 PM            

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Originally posted by MarsSaturnDelight:
Pal, you're confusing masculine behaviour with being cunty; you really need to get your head out of your fu*king arse.

If that happened to your wife, daughter or any female you cared about and you wasn't bothered, then you truly are a peice of sh*t. Or similarly, if you did care, then you are a hypocrite. Neither of those make you a man.

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posted May 17, 2015 04:20 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I just think it's silly when people see things like this and act like it's a big surprise and make a mountain out of a mole hill.
A man that was (probably) drunk got rowdy and made a crude remark at a sporting event. Holy sh*t! We've got to do something about this. This kind of thing is nothing new. Men are rowdy when they together. Here's a concept.... If some women hate masculine behavior they should avoid settings where men go to play such as sporting events, comic cons,metal concerts etc. Problem solved.

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The thing that you seem to be ignoring (on purpose it seems as you can't be that thick) is that it's not an isolated incident.

It's just not funny. It's harassment. Period.

Recently something similar happened in Paris where a bunch of hooligan idiots from the UK harassed a black man on the metro. They got fired too.

posted May 18, 2015 05:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
AG -
You're a reporter. You're at the stadium to cover an event and interview people. You are simply walking around, minding your own damn business, doing your job - when a group of drunken men (let's assume they are gay and there are 10 of them) starts shouting out in a threatening manner (referring to you):
"Fu.ck him right in his butthole!!!"
"Fu.ck him right in his butthole!!!"
"Fu.ck him right in his butthole!!!"
And on and on and on... and ON.

You are there working, doing your job. Presumably you don't want to just quit and leave.
As they keep shouting, another guy, physically closer to you tells you - you are lucky that group of men didn't have a vibrator on them!

How do YOU feel?
Would you honestly feel like it's just a joke?
Would you at all feel personally threatened in this situation? Or embarrassed?
How would you handle this?

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posted May 18, 2015 04:14 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Honestly? I'd laugh because that would be random as hell.

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And what if it happened to you every time you went to do your job? And every time your colleagues went out to work?

If you say you would laugh it off I'd know you are a liar.

It would grate on you as it is doing with all the women reporters this is happening to on an ongoing basis.

posted May 18, 2015 08:12 PM            

I have a second question!
What if -sand- (our ex-poster sand) said such things to you online? Would you still find it funny and random?

posted May 18, 2015 11:51 PM            

Now my question is more along the lines of "if" she was not attractive, would she be the field reporter in the first place? If no, then why not?

As for the dude getting fired, disagree with that as well, now companies are expected to police their employees even outside the work site, with no mention of their place of employment while acting like a addled minded frat bot?

posted May 18, 2015 11:59 PM            

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As for the dude getting fired, disagree with that as well,

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I do disagree with this as well, for basically the same reasons.
I think a 10-year ban from major sports events, would be the most suitable punishment.
I don't think he should have been fired.
Losing his job can have an impact not just on himself, but also on anyone else who is financially reliant on him (like his children).

In the article, they mentioned:

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Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment, the parent company of the Toronto FC soccer team, said the perpetrators would be banned from future games if they are identified.

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But as far as I understood... the ban was for just one year.
I would think 10 years or even a life-time ban would be a harsh enough punishment - to deter future bullies.

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Are we all to have our private lives examined by employers, to issue discipline, for actions off of the job?

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society doing what it always does, bend over to assuage the female imperative

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^ ??
That's a weird (and untrue) thing to say :\

posted May 19, 2015 12:16 AM            

By female imperative, basically women, and Xodian, where shocked and outraged by the lewdness and demanded a head on a pike (metaphorically speaking) and got it.

everything from state funded birth control to daycare centers to easy divorces (80% usually initiated by the wife) of course are granted. Literally there are prison where a large minority of the inmates are their for not paying State mandated child support. In some cases where the man is not the father of the child.

posted May 19, 2015 12:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
That is absurd and in this case society doing what it always does, bend over to assuage the female imperative

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Not really. For example, the outrage in La Liga last year over racial remarks fans in crowd made against a Barca player wasn't a gender-specific issue. The examples you provided above don't really prove a female imperative 'dominance,' otherwise I would be paid exactly the same as my male counterparts. Birth control is debatable because some politicians are trying to limit the accessibility, whereas men can buy condoms without scrutiny. I'm not sure how 80% of divorces being initiated by a woman meets your imperative, as this doesn't correlate too the outcomes of court divorce rulings.

re Prison: you talking just female? I would imagine it would be hard for anyone in jail to pay child support if they aren't making a steady income. What are the rules though, can someone help me out? I'm unfamiliar with child support payments and prison time.

posted May 19, 2015 04:43 AM            

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
Not really. For example, the outrage in La Liga last year over racial remarks fans in crowd made against a Barca player wasn't a gender-specific issue. The examples you provided above don't really prove a female imperative 'dominance,' otherwise I would be paid exactly the same as my male counterparts. Birth control is debatable because some politicians are trying to limit the accessibility, whereas men can buy condoms without scrutiny. I'm not sure how 80% of divorces being initiated by a woman meets your imperative, as this doesn't correlate too the outcomes of court divorce rulings.

re Prison: you talking just female? I would imagine it would be hard for anyone in jail to pay child support if they aren't making a steady income. What are the rules though, can someone help me out? I'm unfamiliar with child support payments and prison time.

I think if our private lives involve questionable behavior, then yeah, your employer has every right to terminate you. You have to fit the values of the company, and when you fail to live up to them, you need to face the consequences.

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posted May 19, 2015 04:56 AM            

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:

I think if our private lives involve questionable behavior, then yeah, your employer has every right to terminate you. You have to fit the values of the company, and when you fail to live up to them, you need to face the consequences.

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posted May 19, 2015 06:12 AM            

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Bella,
Men go to jail all the time if they don't pay child support payments. Mothers have the power to tell the judge to lock them up if they aren't getting payments. A common theme I've seen is men will pay women in cash instead of dealing with all the red tape. And because there's no paper trail or proof when men pay it in cash women will lie and say the man hasn't paid them for so many years and owes them X amount of money. And the woman will blackmail the man by threatening to have him put in jail if he doesn't pay her that amount of money.

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I'm asking what the legal stipulations were if one did not finish child support and was in jail for a different reason.

The scenario you are talking about is different, and extremely biased scenario. You have to pay X amount of child support per month regardless of what your gender is, and if you don't pay it, the onus is on you. No one else is responsible for you breaking the law. If you do not meet your payment plans and do not seek legal counsel if your income changes to make payment adjustments, that is your fault and no one else's.

The only person who can put someone in jail is a judge, and you have to have sufficient evidence of backtracked child support, which again, is a personal responsibility to stay on top of. You cannot blame an entire gender for someone's personal negligence.

What does 'some' equal? Actual people you know or MGTOW forums? Child support has to be documented very tightly so I am not buying your story here that every woman exploits a man for child support. Sure it happens, but what also happens is that men do it too. I've also seen rich men get full custody and/or receive child support from women.

Do women get more child support on average? Yes, they are more likely no question there. Is every single man a poor victim exploited by a woman? Absolutely not.

posted May 19, 2015 07:11 AM            

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by BellaFenice:
[b] Not really. For example, the outrage in La Liga last year over racial remarks fans in crowd made against a Barca player wasn't a gender-specific issue. The examples you provided above don't really prove a female imperative 'dominance,' otherwise I would be paid exactly the same as my male counterparts. Birth control is debatable because some politicians are trying to limit the accessibility, whereas men can buy condoms without scrutiny. I'm not sure how 80% of divorces being initiated by a woman meets your imperative, as this doesn't correlate too the outcomes of court divorce rulings.

re Prison: you talking just female? I would imagine it would be hard for anyone in jail to pay child support if they aren't making a steady income. What are the rules though, can someone help me out? I'm unfamiliar with child support payments and prison time.

I think if our private lives involve questionable behavior, then yeah, your employer has every right to terminate you. You have to fit the values of the company, and when you fail to live up to them, you need to face the consequences.

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Not exactly, a child support order is handled via the State, the payments go directly them who then issue the payment to the parent.

If they do not get their payment after a set period of time, they go take out an arrest warrant, the mother or father really has nothing to do with that process.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/10/walter-scott-child-support-_n_7036174.html

Not blaming men or women in that situation, am pointing out that Society usually over reacts to whichever female imperative that is being demanded.

posted May 19, 2015 07:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
Not exactly, a child support order is handled via the State, the payments go directly them who then issue the payment to the parent.

If they do not get their payment after a set period of time, they go take out an arrest warrant, the mother or father really has nothing to do with that process.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/10/walter-scott-child-support-_n_7036174.html

Not blaming men or women in that situation, am pointing out that Society usually over reacts to whichever female imperative that is being demanded.

Even pre nupital agreements are increasingly easy to over turn via the State. The list goes on and on.

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posted May 19, 2015 08:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
I don't think jail time is in any way helpful in these circumstances. It will not help as punishment, because it's not a punishment that fits the crime - and it inadvertently punishes the entire family (since they won't be able to earn an income while in jail and will find it more difficult to get a job once they leave jail).
It won't help in terms of "rehabilitation" either. We certainly won't be converting dead beat fathers into amazingly concerned and financially supportive parents - by putting them in jail.

I understand your anger over what happened with your dad AG.
But neither you nor Padre are seeing the big picture when it comes to gender-related matters. We could make a list of all the ways in which women are worse off in this world, and the (relatively few) ways in which men are worse-off ... and we would be here all day.
There is no such thing as "female imperative". It's bogus.

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posted May 19, 2015 08:53 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Odette,
Your attitude is the problem. You think men have less problems than women? You said men have it worse in "relatively few ways". Men commit suicide 4 times as much as women, make up the vast majority of workplace injuries and fatalities, and make up 80% of the homeless population among other things. What are women's issues? Being offended by crude jokes,having "creepy" guys ask them out for coffee, and being portrayed as sex objects in the media. You'd think men's issues are more important but women's first world problems take the spotlight.

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Men are more likely to commit suicide because they repress their feelings.
Men are more likely to die in accidents because they constantly, and recklessly, put themselves in risky situations.
If you look up, you'll find that women are more likely to live in poverty than men.
And yes, I did look up your "men make up 80% of the homeless population" and I keep getting different numbers.

Apparently rape and domestic violence, crimes in which women make up around or more than 90% of the victims, aren't a problem.
Especially when one of the biggest cause of death in women is male violence
We're just "imagining it"
Let's also not forget the fact that a lot of the men who report domestic violence committed agaisnt them, was because their partner reacted to THEIR violence. Some of these men even think that their partner not *giving* them sex is abuse.

Please tell more about how women have it easy and are the cause of men's problems.
Poor men

posted May 19, 2015 09:38 AM            

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Originally posted by midnightvenus:
Men are more likely to commit suicide because they repress their feelings.
Men are more likely to die in accidents because they constantly, and recklessly, put themselves in risky situations.
If you look up, you'll find that women are more likely to live in poverty than men.
And yes, I did look up your "men make up 80% of the homeless population" and I keep getting different numbers.

Apparently rape and domestic violence, crimes in which women make up around or more than 90% of the victims, aren't a problem.
Especially when one of the biggest cause of death in women is [b]male violence
We're just "imagining it"
Let's also not forget the fact that a lot of the men who report domestic violence committed agaisnt them, was because their partner reacted to THEIR violence. Some of these men even think that their partner not *giving* them sex is abuse.

Please tell more about how women have it easy and are the cause of men's problems.
Poor men

By the way, "women are favored in court" is a MYTH.
You don't even need much research to find that out.[/B]

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