posted May 19, 2015 08:24 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Odette,
I don't give a flying f*ck about feminism. I'm sick of hearing how evil men are and how bad women have it. Feminism is the most toxic idealogy to ever exist. It has rotted out the souls of women. They have zero empathy for men and our problems but we are supposed to care about them! Screw that! I'm just sick of all the BS..... I'm sick of women hijacking every issue. They tell you men are abusers. Well guess what? Last year my cousin had to go to the hospital and get stitches in his head because his psycho b*tch girlfriend busted a plate over his head. But society doesn't want to hear about that! Oh no! Because it goes against the "women are victims" narrative.

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posted May 19, 2015 08:30 PM            

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
Are you female? No
Are you a racial minority? No
Are you LGBTQ? No
Are you homeless? No
Are you physically disabled? No
Are you facing chronic disease? No
Are you going hungry every night? No
Are you in fear of being raped? No
Are you unable to get health insurance? No
Are you getting a lower average income compared
to other races and gender? No
Are you worried about being gunned down by walking
alone at night because of your race? No
Are you stigmatized unfairly because your religion is not
the majority? No
Are you not allowed to marry in some states because of
your sexual orientation? No

There are SO many people who have it worse than you do out there. Fight for other people, not for personal gain. A lack of sensitivity is the worst trait a human can have.

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posted May 19, 2015 08:43 PM            

Unfortunately, Public/Private contracts work on a different venue than strictly private contracts. When you work for or are associated with a public enterprise, you are CONSTANTLY under the eyes of the public and anything negative you do will come under extreme scrutiny and will be linked back to the said company.

Our private company for instance recently got a contract to work with the Toronto Transit Commission and we were SPECIFICALLY told by one of their reps. that as soon as we wear a badge that says that we are contractors working on behalf of the TTC, you can sure bet that the public will be keeping a VERY close eye on our actions. Now being with a privately affiliated third party contractor, we MIGHT NOT lose our jobs if were to pull off such off hours shenanigans, but you can sure bet that our public contract will be under jeopardy. And it will be up to the private third party contractor to make a decision as to if you as an employee are worth more than the contract they have going with the Public/Private Company.

As long as the individual in question IDENTIFIED as someone affiliated with the Public Enterprise, there will be scrutiny related to any negative behavior they do in Public. So say if someone saw me working with the TTC one days, and recognized me doing something audacious in a PUBLIC setting another day, I can get into a heap of trouble since I have been IDENTIFIED as someone who works with the TTC.

These guys thought that they would just be anonymous faces just doing idiotic things on a public setting. They greatly underestimated just how connected of a world we live in today.

With Public Enterprises, the Public Image and trust are EVERYTHING. So if I were an employee working for a Public Energy provider such as Hydro One, I would learn to mind my Ps and Qs whenever I was in a public setting.

posted May 19, 2015 08:50 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
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I do care about people, but I care about everyone equally and that includes men. And believe it or not, men have issues too. Feminism denies this and that's why I can't take it seriously as a movement.

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This thread is not about feminism.

It is about a person (a human being) who was targeted and bullied in public.
And the repercussions those bullies suffered, as a result of their harassment.

To me, this thread is about -bullying-.

And we shouldn't stand for bullying in any context, whether it happens on the school playground or at work, or at a sporting event... regardless of whether the bullying is aimed towards adult men/women, or children.

Bullying is simply NOT ok. And nothing will ever make it ok.. And it is NOT a "laughable" matter.

posted May 19, 2015 08:55 PM            

Everyone is different. I can't do many things that other people can and people can't do some things I can't.

Some people simply cannot stand up to bullies imo

PS This is not about anyone here, just a general statement of opinion.

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posted May 19, 2015 09:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
This thread is not about feminism.

It is about a person (a human being) who was targeted and bullied in public.
And the repercussions those bullies suffered, as a result of their harassment.

To me, this thread is about -bullying-.

And we shouldn't stand for bullying in any context, whether it happens on the school playground or at work, or at a sporting event... regardless of whether the bullying is aimed towards adult men/women, or children.

Bullying is simply NOT ok. And nothing will ever make it ok.. And it is NOT a "laughable" matter.

Just like you (AG) were hurt and offended when you felt bullied by 'sand' online and you expected Randall to do something about that (as an authority figure) ---- We ALL have the right to expect that our rights will be protected - and that - if someone breaches those rights and harasses us, they will be punished and deterred from continuing the behaviour.

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posted May 19, 2015 09:52 PM            

Ok...
Here is the definition of "heckled", since "you were not bullied"... lol

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heckle
ˈhɛk(ə l/
verb
past tense: heckled; past participle: heckled
1.
interrupt (a public speaker) with derisive or aggressive comments or abuse.
"he was booed and heckled when he tried to address the demonstrators"
synonyms: jeer, taunt, jibe at, shout down, shout at, boo, hiss, disrupt, interrupt, harass; shout catcalls at; barrack; informalgive someone a hard time.
"he was booed and heckled when he tried to address the demonstrators"

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I lost my temper with him and said some really really nasty things and I messaged Randall

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Oh... Well that makes it a lot better then!
Maybe the reporter in this case... should've shouted back and been abusive in response - then later contacted authorities apologising for her own crappy behaviour, hoping for the best response from them.

posted May 19, 2015 09:54 PM            

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Furthermore Randall did let sand come back several times

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posted May 19, 2015 11:51 PM            

I did not expect this ^!
I honestly thought you would back down and understand what I am saying. But instead, you are calling me a troll.

Based on the way you reacted when you felt heckled by sand, and based on the way you generally react when you feel put down or attacked by other posters on LL... you *most certainly* would not take an insult like this (the male version of "FHITP") lying down OR laughing.
There is no doubt about that in my mind.

What is more than likely is that you would get into a fight with the guys yelling insults at you, and end up in the hospital.
Which you would then say - was the "better" option.. since no one got fired.. and you "took care" of it yourself - as though you deserve a badge of honour for handling bullies (or "hecklers) in THIS way.... by fighting fire with fire.

I'm not being either a troll or a baby.
But I am perplexed by your inability to think rationally on this topic.. and really understand how *inappropriate* this behaviour was.

I am perplexed because, despite the views you generally express about men, women and gender issues - I never actually thought you could end up being SO unfair, and insensitive... purely because your *obsession* with this so-called "female privilege in the Western world" - blinds you, and all you see is red.

You are not seeing this reporter.. this woman.. as another human being, JUST like you... You simply do not understand, that she is JUST like you!

She's not an alien. She *IS* you!
But it seems you can't identify...
And nothing I say to you, will help you identify.

posted May 20, 2015 12:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
AG - I find your inability to put yourself in this reporter's shoes, simply because she is female and you are male - seriously insensitive.

I did not expect this ^!
I honestly thought you would back down and understand what I am saying. But instead, you are calling me a troll.

Based on the way you reacted when you felt heckled by sand, and based on the way you generally react when you feel put down or attacked by other posters on LL... you *most certainly* would not take an insult like this (the male version of "FHITP") lying down OR laughing.
There is no doubt about that in my mind.

What is more than likely is that you would get into a fight with the guys yelling insults at you, and end up in the hospital.
Which you would then say - was the "better" option.. since no one got fired.. and you "took care" of it yourself - as though you deserve a badge of honour for handling bullies (or "hecklers) in THIS way.... by fighting fire with fire.

I'm not being either a troll or a baby.
But I am perplexed by your inability to think rationally on this topic.. and really understand how *inappropriate* this behaviour was.

I am perplexed because, despite the views you generally express about men, women and gender issues - I never actually thought you could end up being SO unfair, and insensitive... purely because your *obsession* with this so-called "female privilege in the Western world" - blinds you, and all you see is red.

You are not seeing this reporter.. this woman.. as another human being, JUST like you... You simply do not understand, that she is JUST like you!

She's not an alien. She *IS* you!
But it seems you can't identify...
And nothing I say to you, will help you identify.

If this exact same thing happened to a man (replacing the insults with male-appropriate ones).. YOU... would not be here debating this issue on and on.
You are here - because you relate everything under the Sun to the thing that you are personally obsessed with.. which is this relentless "fight against female privilege".

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It kills me because he is the same person who says he cares about people. But the reporter being harassed is an exception?

posted May 20, 2015 12:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
She *IS* you!

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posted May 20, 2015 12:30 AM            

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
If you have to put another gender, race, sexual orientation, etc. down to get your point across, how beneficial is it really to society? Is that really a message to be proud of?

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posted May 20, 2015 12:31 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Bella

Why don't you go fight the REAL war on women--woman who have their genitals mutilated, women who have fewer rights than a dog in the US and women who are executed if they are raped.

Your song gets [b]OLD, FAST!

Do you want me to write YOU a list like you wrote, AG?[/B]

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Is this really necessary? The hostility is so over the top and creepy. Email stalking me isn't enough for you apparently?

I actually do a lot to help out with women's rights issues, and goes far beyond being an advocate. I have spent considerable time volunteering and donating money, being a part of movie/discussions on campus, sponsoring trips overseas (non-profit stuff), etc., just to name a few. Don't shame victims either- all pain is worthy of being cared for and acknowledged.

And for the same person who said in a rape thread they would only respect someone if they had their genitals mutilated to come at me with this ridiculous comment is beyond me. Spend less time worrying about me and more about yourself and the hateful messages you spew across this website.

No ONE who has written racist, sexist, Islamophobic comments has ANY right to come at me. Period.

I will continue to sing my song as long as people are oppressed, because I care about all human lives. If you can't stand the fact I want equality for all, reevaluate your belief systems.

Act like a mod instead of a 12-year-old child for once. Taking unnecessary petty swipes at me as usual shows how small you really are.

posted May 20, 2015 02:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Bella

Why don't you go fight the REAL war on women--woman who have their genitals mutilated, women who have fewer rights than a dog in the US and women who are executed if they are raped.

Your song gets OLD, FAST!

Do you want me to write YOU a list like you wrote, AG?

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People's values shine through even in the smallest conversations, even in seemingly mundane low-key discussions.

An active gay-rights supporter would not keep their mouth shut if they hear homophobic remarks during a conversation with friends, even though they might be fighting the 'real war' in the form of activism against larger scale issues.

posted May 20, 2015 08:47 AM            

You are real slick when there is no PAIN to you. Who can't come on here on her high horse and talk about racism and sexism( which EVERYONE on here hates not just you, in your delusional world of grandeur and self importance)

Do something REAL. Do something that has COURAGE.

Go help the real victims of abuse who can't go to school, have their genitals mutilated, have to marry at age 9 and are executed because they have a cell phone or have to cover their faces 100% or incur terrible punishment.

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posted May 20, 2015 10:14 AM            

Did you really just say that the women who are abused, raped and murdered in the West are not real victims?

Using the suffering of the girls and women there as a "gotcha!" is nothing but disrespectful.
It's not truly caring. You're just using their pain as a token.

Saying that women don't face real problems here, is like saying that we shouldn't take care of our starving families and homeless bc they're not a real problem when there's "people in Africa starving"

posted May 20, 2015 11:31 AM            

Why is there an assumption that Bella is not involved in such issues outside of this forum? Especially since she has repeatedly stated that she is?

Furthermore, why is this even being used as some kind of an argument against voicing opinions? Is this not a forum, where such issues can be discussed freely? What kind of 'real-life' credentials are needed in order for a person to be qualified to defend their point of view?

posted May 20, 2015 03:07 PM            

I can see where AG is coming from in terms of wanting to say he was not "bullied/heckled" by Sand. It makes a person feel bad to think someone bullied them. I am not saying Sand bullied AG but Sand HARASSED a lot of people, including AG. I think the use of the term "bully" to a man( or anyone) may make them feel badly about themselves. My 2 cents xx

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posted May 20, 2015 04:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
Well AG said "heckled". So I guess he feels that word is more appropriate.
Either way - it all refers to harassment.

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Yea, Odette, words have different connotations lol

I was just giving my opinion as an on looker, not in the official role as AG's mother xxx

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posted May 20, 2015 08:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Bella

You are real slick when there is no PAIN to you. Who can't come on here on her high horse and talk about racism and sexism( which [b]EVERYONE on here hates not just you, in your delusional world of grandeur and self importance)

Do something REAL. Do something that has COURAGE.

Go help the real victims of abuse who can't go to school, have their genitals mutilated, have to marry at age 9 and are executed because they have a cell phone or have to cover their faces 100% or incur terrible punishment.[/B]

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How do YOU know I have never experienced pain? How do YOU know what I do outside of LL? I've done a lot of things regarding sexism, rape culture, etc., and do not need to justify it to you of all people. Again, I ask of you, why the need for hostility and aggression?

I helped my friend, for example, get out of an abusive relationship and was threatened by her ex repeatedly for doing so. I also found myself at 18, being held against a knife and the robber threatened to rape me if I didn't give up my purse. Do not tell me I do not know pain or what is real. I certainly do and that is why go out of my way to help others in need. It is not about me, it is about other people- notice how I don't make threads like you trying to gain sympathy- I would rather spend time helping others.

I've never once seen you advocate for other people's rights on here (in fact it has been the opposite), instead you spend several hours promoting your business, bumping threads constantly for validation and praise, making passive-aggressive comments towards other members (the Barbie comments in the AG thread are a little too obvious there), and purposefully trying to derail other people's threads all because you feel threatened by someone.

What have you done to help sexual abuse and rape victims? I'll take it a step further: what have you done for women's rights period?

Instead of sending people emails about me in a threatening and hostile manner, you could use your time to help others.

posted May 20, 2015 08:54 PM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
I'm genuinely confused.

Why is there an assumption that Bella is not involved in such issues outside of this forum? Especially since she has repeatedly stated that she is?

Furthermore, why is this even being used as some kind of an argument against voicing opinions? Is this not a forum, where such issues can be discussed freely? What kind of 'real-life' credentials are needed in order for a person to be qualified to defend their point of view?

Going by that logic, why are we even discussing anything here? We should just all unregister and go into the real world, to fight the real war. Obviously, since we're all here, discussing things, we are not doing anything in the real world, and should therefore not be discussing anything.

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I would just ignore her, sadly she has some weird personal vendetta against me and the only way she handle it is by taking both indirect and direct jabs at me.