posted May 19, 2015 09:48 AM            

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Originally posted by midnightvenus:
If you look up, you'll find that women are more likely to live in poverty than men.

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posted May 19, 2015 09:48 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Really?!?!?!? Women aren't favored in court? Why is it that women get 40% less jail time for commiting the same crimes? So it's mens fault that they commit suicide and get killed in workplace accidents? Fair enough....... But why is it OK to say mens problems are their own fault when it's the cardinal sin to suggest that maybe sometimes women's problems are their own fault? Gotta love the double standards and hypocrisy of feminism! Oh but they are all about equality though. *sarcasm*

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Probably because men aren't the oppressed group of people in the gender axis.
They don't face problems for *being men*
Men's problems are generated by other axis, such as race, sexuality and class.
Funny that you don't bring up that white men get less jail time than men of other races.
The reason women get less jail time is the same as to why women aren't expected to serve in the army, because they're expected to be at home as much as possible to take care of it.
You talk like it's something we fought for lol

Besides, patriarchy backfiring on men is not women's problem.

"But why is it OK to say mens problems are their own fault when it's the cardinal sin to suggest that maybe sometimes women's problems are their own fault?"

posted May 19, 2015 09:54 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Bullsh*t! Everything you have said in this post is bull but this takes the cake. Anyone with common sense knows that women have more services and help available to them than men do. Its a fact that men make up the majority of the homeless population. If you doubt this go to any area with lots of homeless people and you will see that most are men. But guess who homeless charities focus on? Homeless women! This is because, like I said, society values women more and prioritizes their issues and needs.

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Any person who actually does research free of biased, misogynist thought, knows it's true.
I gave you the info, if you chose to keep blindly hating women, if you're incapable of looking up, it's really not my problem.

"society values women more and prioritizes their issues and needs"

posted May 19, 2015 10:05 AM            

And honestly - life is a b*tch at times - for every single person and animal and insect and everything that is alive.
It happens. It sucks. It is what it is.

posted May 19, 2015 10:06 AM            

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Originally posted by midnightvenus:
Any person who actually does research free of biased, misogynist thought, knows it's true.
I gave you the info, if you chose to keep blindly hating women, if you're incapable of looking up, it's really not my problem.

"society values women more and prioritizes their issues and needs"

That's why men get pills to get their dick hard for free, but women don't get to have free tampons and pads, right?
Poor, poor men. I might shed a tear.

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posted May 19, 2015 10:07 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
^^^^^ is it really possible for someone to be this out of touch with reality? I'm lost for words.

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You're so in lack of arguments that you're trying to gaslight me?
That's so sad. I'm sorry, little guy! <3

posted May 19, 2015 10:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
We all have our battles to win, our personal dragons to slay and our dreams to make reality.

And honestly - life is a b*tch at times - for every single person and animal and insect and everything that is alive.
It happens. It sucks. It is what it is.

Take the good with the bad, and keep moving in your pursuit of personal happiness!

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posted May 19, 2015 10:17 AM            

Do you realise that in virtue of never having had this experience - there are certain things you simply *don't know*?
Do you realise that you feel strongly about *those* things that have personally affected you, in your life experience?
But you are mostly unaware of the things that have affected *others*. Because you have never been in their shoes.

Believe it or not there are other negative "things" out there, in the world (instances of oppression, abuse, discrimination etc) that are just as painful and upsetting as the things you personally experienced, and that you are blissfully unaware of -since those things didn't happen to *you*.
They happened to someone else!

posted May 19, 2015 10:18 AM            

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Originally posted by midnightvenus:
Please don't talk as if systematic oppression is just "life being a b*****"

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It IS actually.
Everything everyone has mentioned in this thread.. is JUST. Life. Being. A. B*tch.

posted May 19, 2015 10:37 AM            

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Originally posted by midnightvenus:
You're so in lack of arguments that you're trying to gaslight me?
That's so sad. I'm sorry, little guy! <3

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posted May 19, 2015 10:41 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
You can't argue with someone who doesn't live in reality.

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posted May 19, 2015 10:59 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I'm not sensitive. And i'm grateful for you and everything you have said because it reminded me of why I went mgtow and bolstered my commitment to it.

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posted May 19, 2015 11:01 AM            

I edited my post and added this. Not sure if you saw it;

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Believe it or not there are other negative "things" out there, in the world (instances of oppression, abuse, discrimination etc) that are just as painful and upsetting as the things you personally experienced, and that you are blissfully unaware of -since those things didn't happen to *you*.
They happened to someone else!

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AG - About the "women are victims" narrative as you see it... This is something you are fixated on and obsessed with.

It's as though, if someone asked you: What are three major problems that face our world today? - This issue would make the top 3 for you.

What I'm trying to explain to you is that there are so many other people out there (of both sexes and all races and nationalities) who have issues that they feel just as strongly about, issues that make them JUST as angry - as these things do *you*.
Because people have a habit of fixating on the things that have personally hurt them, the ways in which they personally feel oppressed or wronged or abused, and the times they believe they got the short end of the stick.

This is what irks each one of us on a personal level ^
We all want to be happy, to have the best of everything in life, to live in a world that offers freedom, progress and opportunities. We all want to be protected from abuse and oppression.

But unfortunately no one is. If you ask any individual out there to tell you their life story - they will tell you the things that hurt them, that angered them and the ways in which they were hard done by (either by other individuals or by society as a whole).

So your story in a sense, is every other persons story. But you don't see that because you can't experience the world through their eyes.

If you think any of the women who passionately argue with you on here - do so for political reasons or because they blindly believe what society and the media feed them, you're wrong.
People are never emotionally involved and passionate - and they don't react with such anger - when they are detached from the issues at play.

The reason you get such passionately angry replies is because these women (just like you) had personal experiences in their lives that made them feel - like sh*t (excuse my French). But let me repeat that, to make sure it registers:

They felt like sh*t!

Otherwise they wouldn't care and they wouldn't argue back. They felt oppressed themselves. They felt hurt. They felt like these issues had a personal impact on their lives or the lives of those close to them.
Just like you have a cousin who ended up in the hospital after being physically abused --- midnight venus might have a cousin who was raped.

posted May 19, 2015 11:52 AM            

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Western Women today have been so brainwashed that they honestly believe they are opressed when they are in fact the most privileged group in all of human history [/B]

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You must've missed my:

"They felt like sh*t!"

But since we're on the subject... Do you feel like your mum is such an amazingly privileged person who out of sheer greed or "being brainwashed" decided to hold your father accountable for not paying child support?
Do you think she was swimming in money and basking in the glow of privilege - when she took that decision?

posted May 19, 2015 12:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
^^ Really? So when was the last time you got fired up about a political issue that did not personally affect you in any way?

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posted May 19, 2015 12:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
It IS actually.
Everything everyone has mentioned in this thread.. is JUST. Life. Being. A. B*tch.

... From my perspective!

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I have to agree.

Women v. Men isn't really the issue, imo.

It's still (and always will be) about good v. evil.

People with no character will always be the poster children for

any progress gone awry.

Case in point: this week, our beloved manager with a quarter of a

century's experience and time with our company (she opened our offices)

was passed over for the promotion, and it was given to a man with a full

ten years less time, with the company.

She has put her heart and soul into our location; and it shows.

Now, this new person with much less experience is going to reap the benefit

of all her hard work.

It has a 'good ol boys' feel to it-- and that may be it-- but last year, we

had a viper in management who was transferred and promoted.

A woman... and the reality is that she was rewarded for being as rotten and

heartless as the people at the top.

So, as tempting as it is to lay the blame on oppression by men, that just

isn't the case, imo-- we're oppressed by evil.

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posted May 19, 2015 06:40 PM            

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posted May 19, 2015 07:35 PM            

Oooop.

In 2012, over five million more women than men were living below the poverty line; and two million more women than men were living in deep poverty. For women aged 18 to 64, the poverty rate was 15.4%, compared to 11.9% for men of the same age range. At 11%, the poverty rate for women aged 65 and older is almost double that of men aged 65 and older—6.6%

Families headed by a single adult are more likely to be headed by women, and these female-headed households are at a greater risk of poverty. Almost 31% of households headed by a single woman were living below the poverty line—nearly five times the 6.3% poverty rate for families headed by a married couple. For households headed by a single male, 16.4% were living in poverty.

Took me one second with a google search. National Center for Law and Economic Justice is a credible website with merit, you cannot refute this. I'm not really not sure why you ever believed poverty was more of male issue, but I am glad to have given you the education.

posted May 19, 2015 08:00 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I'm not sensitive. And i'm grateful for you and everything you have said because it reminded me of why I went mgtow and bolstered my commitment to it.

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Are you female? No
Are you a racial minority? No
Are you LGBTQ? No
Are you homeless? No
Are you physically disabled? No
Are you facing chronic disease? No
Are you going hungry every night? No
Are you in fear of being raped? No
Are you unable to get health insurance? No
Are you getting a lower average income compared
to other races and gender? No
Are you worried about being gunned down by walking
alone at night because of your race? No
Are you stigmatized unfairly because your religion is not
the majority? No
Are you not allowed to marry in some states because of
your sexual orientation? No

posted May 19, 2015 08:15 PM            

Why don't you go fight the REAL war on women--woman who have their genitals mutilated, women who have fewer rights than a dog in the US and women who are executed if they are raped.

Your song gets OLD, FAST!

Do you want me to write YOU a list like you wrote, AG?

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