posted June 25, 2011 08:12 PM            

Child conjunct Psyche seems like a soul mate aspect. One's inner child touches the deepest,most raw primal soul of the other.
This is a wonderful one!
You and he have the soul mate theme in MANY aspects!

posted June 26, 2011 01:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
3. His BRIDE conjunct my ASC (0.12) and my BRIDE conjunct his EROS (0.08). - What do you think of this, and with such tight orbs?! I know you said it was the hallmark of the relationship, but would this mean that we were destined to marry, or would have been more likely to, or wanted to, or will ALWAYS want to?!?! I'm not sure how to take this. I feel it is significant

This is BIG cuz of the tight orbs.
Your bride conjunct his Eros is again Bride in a DW type of thing so important even though not exact DW.

Yes, you both thought each was "the one". I am not sure what happened to break you up but you EACH thought you had found your true love.
he wants/wanted to marry you--totally, for sure.

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Thanks for explaining Ami

What is DW?? sorry to be a noob.

posted June 26, 2011 02:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I need to study Pholus, Vesta and Pallas

Child conjunct Psyche seems like a soul mate aspect. One's inner child touches the deepest,most raw primal soul of the other.
This is a wonderful one!
You and he have the soul mate theme in MANY aspects!

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Thanks again for elaborating on that. It does make sense definitely. He is very cheeky and that speaks to me I like cheekiness. He started to gain my attention within a couple of days of working there by walking past my office door and window and poking his tongue out at me everytime.

Pallas
Keywords:- intellect, strategy, intellectual attraction, personality over looks, academic pursuits, logic and reason over unseen, practical planning, cunning, temper when pushed

It is a virginal feeling and not a sexual one at all.

"Pallas is not confrontational and approaches problems with an analytical mindset, seeking the peaceful and less disruptive course of action"

"In transition, aspects to Pallas indicate a time where there is firm encouragement to express your talents, especially regarding creativity and academic pursuit. It also indicates an intellectual time where you will partake in verbal or written activities, rather than physical energy expressions."

I see people as constant transits so would apply it in this context? Interesting that it conjuncts my Valentine.

posted June 26, 2011 02:27 AM            

Keywords:- sacrifice of an intention, protective of home, family and reputation, working with what is sacred to you, confusion about relationships of importance, relationship upheavals, submissive behaviour, giving to others, emotional intimacy

"In your natal chart, Vesta symbolises sacrifice, giving and nurturing others, as well as protective instinct. On a mundane scale, Vesta, on research of nations and their data, could symbolise protective and sacrificial areas of importance, such as religion or resources."

"In transit, aspects to Vesta indicate a time where focus is on the home, family and is either a sacrificial or protective situation. There can be tension felt within intimate, familial and social connections and resolutions will be dependent on the planets or luminaries, and houses, which are activated by the transit."

http://ravenesquetarot.com/2011/05/28/asteroid-4-vesta/

So my NESSUS is conjunct his VESTA.

Nessus
"Nessus represents primitive, unrestrained energy which can destroy without thinking and thus is destroyed by the same energy it seeks to dominate. This asteroid is also implicated in ancestral sin or the violation of one family member by another. "Family" can also refer to corporate or community groups. Issues of scapgoating, illegitimacy, incest, rape, unwanted pregnancy and conflict over wills or inheritances can be involved. Often the problems implicating Nessus are generational in span and duration."

When we look at his VESTA, it sits in Leo in his Third house. So he may see me as threatening to his sacrifice to his close neighbours or siblings?? In other words he thinks that he may need to protect these people FROM me?!

This can't be a good aspect at all.

posted June 26, 2011 02:43 AM            

Pholus: Prominence in the chart can indicate tendencies to short-term or wishful thinking, along with difficulty establishing and keeping boundaries. Maintaining a stance of willful innocence, blindness or idealism, a person with an afflicted Pholus tends to believe that when they behave inappropriately in a situation they will be protected by God and/or respected by other people. Disaster can result from impulsive thinking and narrow perception. One does not see their behavior as improper, but rather as upholding an idealistic concept which is sanctioned by God. One might be motivated by an ongoing dedication to embodying spiritual principals within the material world, even to the extent of martyrdom. When positively expressed, the asteroid can be symbolic of visionary skills and the reception of true archetypal images eminating from sacred cosmic intent.

http://www.mysticmarguerite.com/WebDocs/Texts/Asteroids.html

From Wikipedia

"One theme of Pholus, according to the co-author of the first book on the subject, is "Small cause, big effect." "

"At other times, the energy of Pholus feels like a pressure release, akin to shaking up a bottle of Pepsi on a hot day, and promptly opening it. It's just that the stuff keeps coming out. A genie coming out of a bottle is perhaps a better metaphor, but that, too, comes with the sense of materialization. Pholus has a quality of opening the door to the infinite. Depending on the door, that may or may not be helpful, or seem helpful, but it is what it is and when Pholus has become active, it's necessary to get out of denial and work with the energy consciously."

"Pholus has the property of release from situations, thus opening to new possibilities, and emerging into new states of existence. It is the Centaur of fast-moving changes, or rapid transformations, typically initiated by one's own action. Something as simple as curiosity or a chance encounter may start the chain of events. One quality of Pholus experience is, "I would never have done that if I knew what I was getting into," sometimes with the added idea, "but I'm glad I did." A small gesture that leads to something large, a minor project that becomes one's life work, an experiment that takes on a life of its own, leading to many developments, all are properties of Pholus."

"Pholus, von Heeren adds, is "the catalyst and provider for a landslide-like change (in history for example) and turning points," adding, "Pholus exaggerates energies in their raw state. Pholus is an emphasizer." In some cases, Pholus activity represents or instigates situations in which something gets out and you cannot get it back in, such as when riots begin and the government cannot stop them, or you make one change and it cascades into a series of other developments. This same quality also gives Phlous experiences the quality of a leap to a new level."

So his CUPID conjunct my PHOLUS could be why I have thought that he did have a FAKE love for me (even though my HERA conjuncts all this as well) and perhaps why it played out that way?? I have discussed this with friends and most of them think at least at some point he really did love me. Seemingly overnight his actions changed to more CUPID, that made me think it was all fake! He definitely treated me as both. The whole time he was acting all cupid-like he was telling me he loved me (which I know was true). How confusing is this?

It's almost like my Pholus being conjunct his Cupid has emphasised our Cupid/Hera conjunction and made it more pronounced than it actually was? If you want to look the the aspect that probably broke us up then look no further hehe There is of course more to this story and am wondering if you can pick up on it. I still haven't found an aspect to describe what happened. So even though there is a massive pull and deep feelings of attraction and love there, this Cupid feeling compared to my Hera/Juno feeling has been amplified. I miss him so much but am afraid of what is real and what is not. The Deja/Saturn isn't helping with this either, and I think I am scared he sees me as the Nessus to his Vesta, even though I don't believe I am.

posted June 26, 2011 08:32 AM            

PS Don't be afraid to ask any question.A DW is a Double Whammy.It is when the aspect goes both ways--from you to him, from him to you.

posted June 26, 2011 08:37 AM            

OK YOUR bad side/deepest,darkest most evil side is conjunct his Vesta.
YOUR evil side went IN to him somehow. Did you do something really,really low down to him?
Did you take the most "unmentionable" side of yourself and intrude it in to his boundaries somehow?

PS Hope I can be this honest.You can answer in private if you care to

posted June 26, 2011 08:43 AM            

OK I am picturing Pholus by the actions of someone I know.He creates all sorts of chaos from a seemingly "righteous" reason in his own mind.
Then,things go crazy and he blames someone else-short term thinking like a child, does not see consequences to actions, things explode and he blames others.

OK--So he had the look of love or fake love. YOU did something based on thinking he was fake to bring the situation to a head.

Perhaps, you slept with his best friend, flirted really,really badly to bring him to a point of terrible jealousy etc

You thought he was fooling you/Cupido and so you got back at him in a BIG way by planning a very dumb short term plan which then exploded breaking almost all the trust you had in each other.
How does that sound

posted June 26, 2011 08:48 AM            

So His love side which is purely intellectual is bonded to your selfless love side.
This would be a great bond!

posted June 26, 2011 10:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Your Nessus conjunct his Vesta- I have a theory. Vesta is the space keeper such as a surrogate mother.She kept the space in the womb for another mother.

OK YOUR bad side/deepest,darkest most evil side is conjunct his Vesta.
YOUR evil side went IN to him somehow. Did you do something really,really low down to him?
Did you take the most "unmentionable" side of yourself and intrude it in to his boundaries somehow?

PS Hope I can be this honest.You can answer in private if you care to

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My goodness Ami. I have tormented myself over this very question for years. I felt like I had done something but had no idea what it was!! It was seriously like overnight it just went south. I can almost pinpoint the date haha

I have a couple of theories. I assume it would be okay to tell you without giving too much away... as its only a slice

Like I said, i have tormented myself trying to figure out what I had done wrong or what had Gone wrong cos we were soooo happy, then after a while managed to convince myself it was him with the problem not me. It definitely was transformative after the relationship ended as I have changed all my morals since then as I can be TOO nice to people who I shouldn't be nice to (because I feel bad for people/don't like to be the cause of their misery, so I will go out of my way to make them feel better).

Actually if I tell you what happened, then I will be giving away a lot of the story !!!

It is so complex.

Let's just say that it has taken me a long time to forgive myself and tell myself I hadn't done anything wrong (because in my mind I hadn't) and I always thought Mr Gemini thought I had betrayed him (NOT true).

What you have mentioned above makes me think that him THINKING I betrayed him WAS true. So that was right. And me tormenting myself and seriously re-evaluating how I come across (and working on my natal Sun Square ASC aspect) was also worth it (it was worth it anyway even if he didn;t think I betrayed him). So what you are saying tells me he thought I betrayed him. argh.

I thought he perceived me as betraying him and I didn't. Not in my eyes. I never kissed or slept with anyone else so I didn't. And if he was unhappy he never communicated that to me, it was seriously over so quickly (think Uranus, quickly!) that I was left in shock and traumatised from losing someone I dearly loved.

And I was MUTED like... I couldn't express myself clearly to him and I was a mess. And because there was so many layers to this, I got angry and blamed other people. I had to keep trying to tell him that I never did and that he was the only one but it always came out wrong and in gibberish and I think he almost patronised me by saying 'no of course you didn't do anything wrong it just wasn't meant to be' or 'you are the right person but it's the wrong time' or 'I really loved you and I should have shown you that more'.
*cry*
It's like.. we love each other and you have put this wall up!!!
So he never accused me directly of betraying him, and he has NEVER given me closure, he refuses to (he will literally change the subject of conversation and pretend we were never talking about it) and so I have no idea why we aren't together except that he is now with someone else.

Worse of all. I was so shocked I was numb. I never cried over him. I have cried over most boyfriends I have had, but not him and he is the one I can't forget or move on from. I have never felt more numb. I have only let out anything over the last year.

I always saw this as a tragic love story. He thinks I betrayed him when I didn't. He never said I did, but he never said I didn't. I can't do or say anything because I am silenced.

He always said that if I betrayed him he would close the door on me.

posted June 26, 2011 11:09 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
His Cupido conjunct your Pholus

OK I am picturing Pholus by the actions of someone I know.He creates all sorts of chaos from a seemingly "righteous" reason in his own mind.
Then,things go crazy and he blames someone else-short term thinking like a child, does not see consequences to actions, things explode and he blames others.

OK--So he had the look of love or fake love. YOU did something based on thinking he was fake to bring the situation to a head.

Perhaps, you slept with his best friend, flirted really,really badly to bring him to a point of terrible jealousy etc

You thought he was fooling you/Cupido and so you got back at him in a BIG way by planning a very dumb short term plan which then exploded breaking almost all the trust you had in each other.
How does that sound

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*CRY* spot on Ami. SPOT ON.

My previous post was written BEFORE I read this one.

You have it down to a T.

posted June 26, 2011 11:12 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
His Pallas conj your Valentine
Ok Pallas would be loving someone for his brains lol

So His love side which is purely intellectual is bonded to your selfless love side.
This would be a great bond!

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posted June 26, 2011 11:13 AM            

Are there ANY other aspects which would help me to see why??
What about in HIS natal.
Does his natal have close aspects to Chiron?
Does he have anything close to his moon which would suggest he feels betrayal. What Nessus and Deja does he have in the natal?
WHAT IS HAPPENING TO HIS CHILD ASTEROID in the natal?
Check these Darling and put orbs on them
What does he have in the natal involving Uranus.
What are the houses of his Natal Uranus ,too and the planets it touches.
There IS a reason for his leaving. We just have to try to find it!

posted June 26, 2011 11:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Check the Chaos Asteroid. Also, was it transiting at the time you had your problems.Was Uranus transiting.too?
If you want to put up a new thread with the composite and asteroids we can look at that,too.
However,we should discuss that in the future,not now, or it will get too confusing.
Put it in this forum cuz it will have asteroids on it.

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Yes I think it would be fun to look at the composite too!!

Natally Chaos conjuncts my Cupido.
Natally Chaos conjuncts his Venus/Mars conjunction.

Our natal Chaos asteroids aren't in tight conjunctions with anything in each other's charts (not within 2 degrees).

At the time of this all happening Chaos was applying conjunct to his Jupiter. It was around 12.02 Gemini and his Jupiter is 14.14 Gemini. It was quincunx aspect with my natal Jupiter, opposing my Uranus, quincunx my Saturn and semi-sextile my Venus (they are all in 12 degrees of their signs). It was also sextile my Dejaneira.

posted June 26, 2011 11:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
WOW so YOU did not do anything radical like sleep with his= best friend.
So, all of a sudden, he just LEFT?

Are there ANY other aspects which would help me to see why??
What about in HIS natal.
Does his natal have close aspects to Chiron?
Does he have anything close to his moon which would suggest he feels betrayal. What Nessus and Deja does he have in the natal?
WHAT IS HAPPENING TO HIS CHILD ASTEROID in the natal?
Check these Darling and put orbs on them
What does he have in the natal involving Uranus.
What are the houses of his Natal Uranus ,too and the planets it touches.
There IS a reason for his leaving. We just have to try to find it!

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I did the stupid dumb plan thing to make him jealous but that backfired. I don't think it should have been reason for us to break up.

I didn't sleep or kiss anyone else.

But it is complex because it involves other people. Not sure if that shows up in the charts. It's to do with our past baggage.

But yeah pretty much he sent me an email, went online to tell me to check my email, and then turned his phones off so I couldnt contact him. He literalyl just put a wall up between us, when two hours before this email I was at his house and I was upset because I could tell something was wrong but he still told me he loved me (and in the email when he broke up with me a couple of hours later he told me he loved me still) and used some lame excuse that wasn't true (we argue all the time.. err we never had an argument!!!!! Thats the thing about him, he lies to me about things that I KNOW arent true and makes me feel like I am going crazy so he doesn't have to talk about the reality?! Like he is trying to change reality but it's OUR reality, I was actually there, and we never argued! I bet that is what he told everyone else though!) but mentioned my ex boyfriend in the email which made me feel helpless because I would have stopped talking to my ex if he had said it was a problem. He never EVER said it was a problem, and we had come to an agreement (I thought) because he was still friends with his Ex. Okay I am dying to tell you what happened now.

posted June 26, 2011 12:10 PM            

No conjunctions. Sits at 22 Libra, House 5. My Moon conjuncts this at 18 Libra.
His Chiron trines his BRIDE to the same degree, and 2.02 degrees trine to his MOON (this all sits on my ASC at 22 AQUA)
His Chiron likewise sextiles his ISIS/HERA/WISDOM (this all sits on my DC/PANDORA/UNION conjunction), quincunx his VALENTINE/MERCURY conjunction in Taurus (which sits on my SUN), and Opposes his CUPIDO.

Does he have anything close to his moon which would suggest he feels betrayal.

He has got a Thor's Hammer aspect pattern in his chart which features the Moon. The sesquiquadrate (135 degree) aspect between Moon and Pluto, and the Moon squares his Mercury. His Mercury makes a sequiquadrate with the Pluto which completes the Thor's Hammer. This is also know as the Fist of God.
"This is a particularly difficult pattern as the sesiquadrate aspect tends to give quite severe criticism from others and this produces considerable personal tension. To work at its best it needs at least one planet in the pattern to have an outlet i.e. an easy flow aspect to another planet or planetary pattern. The outlet planet can describe people who help and/or a talent or ability that eases the pressure."
http://aliceportman.com/?p=780

What Nessus and Deja does he have in the natal?

Nessus - House 2 Cancer
Dejaneira - House 8 Capricorn

NESSUS conjunct SAPPHO (0.11)
NESSUS opposite DEJANEIRA (0.13)
DEJANEIRA opposite SAPPHO (0.03)

CHIRON sextile NESSUS/SAPPHO
CHIRON trine DEJANEIRA

WHAT IS HAPPENING TO HIS CHILD ASTEROID in the natal?

Child - House 9 Aquarius

CHILD opposite SATURN (0.46)
CHILD trine PLUTO (0.26)

What does he have in the natal involving Uranus.
What are the houses of his Natal Uranus ,too and the planets it touches.

Uranus - 8.19 Scorpio, House 6

URANUS opposite CHIRON (4.14)
URANUS opposite VENUS/MARS (7.45) *wide orb*
URANUS square NEPTUNE (4.20)

URANUS sextile EROS (0.05)
URANUS sextile PSYCHE (0.27)
URANUS trine PANDORA (0.29)

posted June 26, 2011 12:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
OK I am thinking he may have something with his natal moon.Check which asteroids conjunct it? What do the planets do to it ,also? Does Chiron touch it?
Hmm Check the various things I said and we will go from there.

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