posted June 29, 2011 03:02 PM            

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Originally posted by MsCandeh:
andddd I am done. Sorry for venting lol.

I probably sound like a stupid woman for even talking to him, and trust me I am normally a strong person regarding these matters. I can see what most people who would hear this story would think. I would be giving the advice of going the other way, tell him never to contact you but only for work purposes etc etc. but it is so hard. I have never been in this position before.

It's great to have a better understanding of why it ended, and I don't think it's something in my personality that is completely flawed to make him act the way he has (I convinced myself that was all my fault because of MrPisces and that I drove him away).

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PLEASE Don't apologize for venting.I am the Queen of Venting

posted June 30, 2011 12:20 AM            

I will reply tonight when I get home from work but just wanted to say that is EXACTLY how I see it. that he wants to be bossed around but then complains because his girlfriend is a controlling. Eg he has friends he is allowed to see and friends he isn't allowed to see.

I could be stronger with him but I didn't like to do that. I remember testing my theory out once after we had broken up (that he wants a demanding partner) and I did it. He JUMPED as soon as I started ordering him around. Gah. I am so not like that. I like a guy who takes the lead but lets me lead too when I want to hehe

So maybe they are a better match then with the whole dominant and submissive thing. He didnt come across as wanting to be submissive but his cowardly way of backing out of the relationship was definitely not becoming of him. I ALSO know for a fact that she instigated things because she had a twitter account. Her facebook page had a link at the bottom to the twitter account so I went there and voila. The night he broke up with me she wrote "my heart is fluttering" or something. I found this all out about 6 months after the fact.

I can do up their synastry but not her birth time. I will post it later tonight.

You have again!!! just confirmed for me what I always thought.. that he is weak and wants a bossy partner. I really don't understand that, and even though I can be thingy about certian things I don't like controlling my partner to the point they have no mind of their own. Sheesh. Yeah I saw him as being 'whipped' by her and he complains about it but doesn't seem to do anything about it. I think he is secretly liking being told what to do, who he can see/be friends with etc. The problem is that he just goes behind her back to do what he wants anyway (and hence why we are still in contact).

She hates me (so he tells me) and all I did was send her an email to say that he was lying to both of us, but I am pretty sure she disliked me when we were going out because she would comment after my facebook messages on his wall in a condescending/bitchy way (err I didnt even know her and I was talking to MrGem and she was butting into our convos!! I just ignored them). I take it that she has 'ordered' him to do what he has done to us. And I do see her as stepping inbetween us because he was her property. It makes me feel sick that someone can be like that. Even if MrPisces found smeone else I would never interfere with that, even if I felt like I missed out.

I don't know what he and her were like before we met because we fell for each other pretty hard. From what he said they were good friends and I know he had other relationships that lasted for years with other people while he was still friends with her. So I just took it that 10 years is a long time to get past young love and that they were really actually just good friends. *sigh*. I can see what I need to do now. He obviously was always attached to her and in her mind I was the 'other woman' so to speak. I guess she may have been keeping him on a long lead for 10 years but as soon as he looked like he was properly going to stray she yanked the chain back in. That's actually exactly how I think this has played out. It's probably happened on a subconcious level rather than a concious level.

posted June 30, 2011 07:27 AM            

He would never be right for you.I can see that speaking as a female.
If the man does not have gonads,let someone else have him.He is not for me

posted June 30, 2011 12:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Darling
Do THEY have a Nessus /Dejanaria Synastry?
Check if you want.
Put Eros and Child in there too
I AM SORRY ABOUT ALL YOU WENT THROUGH
I will check my e mail.

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Aww Ami, thanks for your

Did the photos show anything?

Did you come to the conclusion he was weak from his synastry chart or after reading the story (or both?)

Note: MrGemini has Nessus opposite Deja natally (does this mean anything?)

We were discussing Amycus last night and accidentally left it in. Interesting that his Amycus is conj Sun natally as well, almost perfect conjunction.

Asteroid aspects all within 2 deg (keeping in mind I dont know her time of birth)

Her Pluto/His NN conjunct
His Pluto/Her Juno conjunct
His Uranus/Her Deja conjunct
His Ceres/Her Jupiter conjunct
His Pallas/Her Vesta conjunct

His Amycus/Her Moon square
His Deja/Her Venus square
His Deja/Her Saturn square
His Vertex/Her Juno square
His Child/Her Sun square
His Child/Her Mercury square
His Nessus/Her Venus square
His Nessus/Her Saturn square

His Briede/Her Pluto trine
His Nessus/Her Child trine

His Chiron/Her Child opposition

Planet aspects

His Sun/Jupiter opposing her Mars
His Moon trine her Pluto
His Moon square her Uranus (0.01)
His Saturn square her Sun/Mercury
His Mercury opposite her Uranus
His Saturn trine her Mars

{no birth time for the below so may not be as close to make an aspect}
His Mercury trine her Moon
His Sun/Jupiter square her Moon

Interesting their Valentines aren't aspecting anything too much (but then again I don't know her birth time).
I sound like I have been burnt don't I lol

Oh so I have looked at all the hard aspects and this is all I can come up with! If I have missed anything please let me know. I only looked within two deg, if you find something that you want me to find the deg please let me know.

It feels like a Moon/Pluto theme which makes sense but how does Moon/Pluto feel to you? The Moon/Pluto makes sense to me because of the way she cries to make him do things and the arguments they have (he once said to me that he is scared of her when she is angry and doesn't do what he is told).

Do you still want me to do our composite transits?

Would be interested what you see in this chart. The synastry tells me what you said about the darker theme, but I'm not sure exactly what would show that. I can see with the Pluto she would have had a bigger pull, even though we also had Pluto aspects... Hers conjunct his NN so closely is testament to that stronger pull (also she had known him for 10 years longer than me so there is that feeling of familiarity there too I suppose... I was the 'new' person).

posted June 30, 2011 12:30 PM            

Maybe when I feel like and you are up to it in the future. So tiring looking up all these aspects LOL

So what you have said before, that no matter what we had she had the stronger pull because of their moon/pluto theme?

We had Pluto/{Venus/Mars} probably not the best relationship, but I feel we are only feeling the negatives of this right now, not any of the positives.

This has given me greater feeling of closure, I am so appreciative.

posted June 30, 2011 12:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Just skimmed this while doing something else.
Moon/Pluto is THE strongest unbreakable, deep thing like a nursing baby.
You have not had children yet as I have. A nursing baby is THE most intense emotional experience.
The love and bond is unique in all the world.
That is Moon/Pluto .

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posted June 30, 2011 12:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
PLEASE Don't apologize for venting.I am the Queen of Venting

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posted June 30, 2011 12:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Wow
We came to the end of the line. My theory now is that they have dominant/submissive,black kinds of synastry aspects which keep them together in something that was totally unlike what you and he had.
You and he had a sunny synastry.It was light,warm and loving like a musical.
He and she have goth.

He would never be right for you.I can see that speaking as a female.
If the man does not have gonads,let someone else have him.He is not for me

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Your words speak a lot to me. I totally agree. I just find it hard to forget him and miss our good times. Whenever I see him I want to hug him but don't unless he initiates anything. Maybe he does miss our good times, maybe he doesnt I won't ever know. I am so frustrating even to myself when I write that hehe :P

posted June 30, 2011 12:52 PM            

Also the Chiron opposite Child aspect. How would that play out?

Deja square Venus/Saturn?

posted June 30, 2011 12:53 PM            

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Originally posted by MsCandeh:
What did you think of the photo? Please be totally honest Am so curious as to what you saw that I probably can't see (Moon/Neptune conjunct in composite remember !!! )

Thanks so much for all your time and effort, care and listening. I really honestly value what you have to say and hope that you learned something along the way as well!!!!!! I certainly did

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Yes I SAW him in the photo--saw IN to him. He is a wimpy guy.
He needs a woman to be the man. He needs to be led around by a leash.
You got it right when you said that he had a long lead and found you but she had the the end of the leash in her hands.

Did he love you? Yes but you had a light kind of love in that it was "light" versus dark.

He has a dark kind of love with her. The dark kind does not break easily at all.

Moon/Pluto is under the dark kind even though it is not technically dark like Nessus.It is dark in the sense that it is very passionate.

HOWEVER, all that being said.That was NOT the main problem.
The main problem is that he wants to be dominated by a woman.
You are NOT the type of woman to dominate a guy.
That is the problem in one sentence

posted June 30, 2011 12:55 PM            

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Originally posted by MsCandeh:
Your words speak a lot to me. I totally agree. I just find it hard to forget him and miss our good times. Whenever I see him I want to hug him but don't unless he initiates anything. Maybe he does miss our good times, maybe he doesnt I won't ever know. I am so frustrating even to myself when I write that hehe :P

I think the eclipses are finally having an effect!!!

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Yes,I am SURE you are special to him. However,unless you want to be in a harem ,it won't work.

If he could have both,he would.You would be the Princess.She would be the Witch.
However,if he can choose one,he will choose the Witch

posted June 30, 2011 01:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I have loved sharing this time and these interactions with you MsCandeh

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Ami you have been such a huge part of this journey for me, even if only for a week or so, it feels like you have really helped take off 2 years off my shoulders. I have been to counselling, everything and none of it has taken away this niggling feeling in me. You have just cleared the situation up (I always sort of thought this but was sooo confused).

It was like you could so easily READ into our relationship... Princess vs Witch hehe Thanks for being so kind! I think that is exactly how it feels and has played out. I only ever wanted the best for him (that's why I get mad that MsScorpio doesn't have a good effect on him, and I feel like she isn't looking after him.. he looks sicker and older than his age now.. even moreso than those photos I showed you.. he is only 34 and now very grey and always looks tired and whining about how tired and crappy he feels)

I am sad for him, and sad that what we had won't be again, but also happy because I feel like I can move on without wondering what ifs... what if I got it all wrong? And what if I wait for him to go through this phase, how long will I wait until he is ready again?

For helping me get past this I can't thank you enough

And again, hope that you got as much out of it as I have! (astrologically and otherwise )